Here is why Willie would be an idiot to leave Eugene:
He can recruit a Top 5 class every year. The demand is much lower than any SEC school.
In the Pac-12 there will be one program with the talent comparable to what he is recruiting and they almost always fuck up their coaching hires.
The SEC has four programs with USC type talent and a fifth that has it about every third year. If aTm ever makes a good hire that would make seasons where half the conference is loaded. The demand on success for the coaches is crazy as well.
The playoff is going to go to 8 teams sooner rather than later. It would be pretty easy to be 10-2 from Eugene on a yearly basis and get in there most years. As UW moves closer and closer to Boise State level and Stanford lays on everyone with one skill kid the Pac-12 is the easiest road in the business. The money will be there if you win no matter where you are.
"Kelly is a college winner until he's not." It's funny watching all these doogs yank Kelly's schlong like a bunch of horny schoolgirls. They're the same ones that continually trash Oregon's duckade long run of excellence.
Oregon didn't have a duckade long run of anything except dominating a shit UW team.
They had a four year run of excellence with Chip at the helm, so good that they still had one great year and a really good one left in them under Helfrich.
A great six year run, all thanks to Chip.
Oregon was mediocre before Chip got there as OC and they became mediocre after Chip's players were gone.
Oregon didn't have a run. Chip did.
Chip's an incredible coach. Oregon's just another program.
Da doog run run run, da doog run run.
Jesus.
How am I wrong?
Oregon has 10 10 win seasons in their history. Kelly was the HC for four of them and the OC for one of them. In 6 years at the school. And his players added another two. Kelly's the common demoninator for 70% of the 10 win seasons in their history.
"Kelly is a college winner until he's not." It's funny watching all these doogs yank Kelly's schlong like a bunch of horny schoolgirls. They're the same ones that continually trash Oregon's duckade long run of excellence.
Oregon didn't have a duckade long run of anything except dominating a shit UW team.
They had a four year run of excellence with Chip at the helm, so good that they still had one great year and a really good one left in them under Helfrich.
A great six year run, all thanks to Chip.
Oregon was mediocre before Chip got there as OC and they became mediocre after Chip's players were gone.
Oregon didn't have a run. Chip did.
Chip's an incredible coach. Oregon's just another program.
Da doog run run run, da doog run run.
Jesus.
How am I wrong?
Oregon has 10 10 win seasons in their history. Kelly was the HC for four of them and the OC for one of them. In 6 years at the school. And his players added another two. Kelly's the common demoninator for 70% of the 10 win seasons in their history.
He's a fucking special coach.
I don't disagree with your assessment of Chip. I disagree with your assessment of Oregon's run as being the sum total of beating shit UW teams. Playing for a couple titles, racking up a couple rose bowls and a few other BCS bows, a Heisman winner, etc. is a good run. They've had great played in the past.
On the talent part, I'd say some of Bellotti's teams had better talent than many of Chip's. Chip is a better, much better, coach.
"Kelly is a college winner until he's not." It's funny watching all these doogs yank Kelly's schlong like a bunch of horny schoolgirls. They're the same ones that continually trash Oregon's duckade long run of excellence.
Oregon didn't have a duckade long run of anything except dominating a shit UW team.
They had a four year run of excellence with Chip at the helm, so good that they still had one great year and a really good one left in them under Helfrich.
A great six year run, all thanks to Chip.
Oregon was mediocre before Chip got there as OC and they became mediocre after Chip's players were gone.
Oregon didn't have a run. Chip did.
Chip's an incredible coach. Oregon's just another program.
Da doog run run run, da doog run run.
Jesus.
How am I wrong?
Oregon has 10 10 win seasons in their history. Kelly was the HC for four of them and the OC for one of them. In 6 years at the school. And his players added another two. Kelly's the common demoninator for 70% of the 10 win seasons in their history.
He's a fucking special coach.
I don't disagree with your assessment of Chip. I disagree with your assessment of Oregon's run as being the sum total of beating shit UW teams. Playing for a couple titles, racking up a couple rose bowls and a few other BCS bows, a Heisman winner, etc. is a good run. They've had great played in the past.
On the talent part, I'd say some of Bellotti's teams had better talent than many of Chip's. Chip is a better, much better, coach.
That's not what I said. They're run under Chip was incredible. Probably as good of a four year run as any Pac school's ever had. Certainly as good as there ever was without winning a ring.
I'm just saying outside of Chip, Bellotti beat up on Ty. Not really impressive. Fuck, Bellotti lost to Gilby. That should be a fireable offense.
"Kelly is a college winner until he's not." It's funny watching all these doogs yank Kelly's schlong like a bunch of horny schoolgirls. They're the same ones that continually trash Oregon's duckade long run of excellence.
Oregon didn't have a duckade long run of anything except dominating a shit UW team.
They had a four year run of excellence with Chip at the helm, so good that they still had one great year and a really good one left in them under Helfrich.
A great six year run, all thanks to Chip.
Oregon was mediocre before Chip got there as OC and they became mediocre after Chip's players were gone.
Oregon didn't have a run. Chip did.
Chip's an incredible coach. Oregon's just another program.
Da doog run run run, da doog run run.
Jesus.
Theyre not just another program, they're a shit program that hit the booster powerball for a billion fucking dollars.
Here is why Willie would be an idiot to leave Eugene:
He can recruit a Top 5 class every year. The demand is much lower than any SEC school.
In the Pac-12 there will be one program with the talent comparable to what he is recruiting and they almost always fuck up their coaching hires.
The SEC has four programs with USC type talent and a fifth that has it about every third year. If aTm ever makes a good hire that would make seasons where half the conference is loaded. The demand on success for the coaches is crazy as well.
The playoff is going to go to 8 teams sooner rather than later. It would be pretty easy to be 10-2 from Eugene on a yearly basis and get in there most years. As UW moves closer and closer to Boise State level and Stanford lays on everyone with one skill kid the Pac-12 is the easiest road in the business. The money will be there if you win no matter where you are.
Bellotti won the Fiesta Bowel, owns 4 10-win seasons, 2 conference titles and beat the best UW team since the 1991 squad.
I know it's fun to call him "Mediocre Mike" around here, but he'd be either the best or second best coach in the league if he were coaching in the PAC now.
He's mediocre compared to Kelly, but so is everyone else in this league and most of college football save Saban or Urbz.
"Kelly is a college winner until he's not." It's funny watching all these doogs yank Kelly's schlong like a bunch of horny schoolgirls. They're the same ones that continually trash Oregon's duckade long run of excellence.
Oregon didn't have a duckade long run of anything except dominating a shit UW team.
They had a four year run of excellence with Chip at the helm, so good that they still had one great year and a really good one left in them under Helfrich.
A great six year run, all thanks to Chip.
Oregon was mediocre before Chip got there as OC and they became mediocre after Chip's players were gone.
Oregon didn't have a run. Chip did.
Chip's an incredible coach. Oregon's just another program.
Da doog run run run, da doog run run.
Jesus.
Theyre not just another program, they're a shit program that hit the booster powerball for a billion fucking dollars.
Bellotti won the Fiesta Bowel, owns 4 10-win seasons, 2 conference titles and beat the best UW team since the 1991 squad.
I know it's fun to call him "Mediocre Mike" around here, but he'd be either the best or second best coach in the league if he were coaching in the PAC now.
He's mediocre compared to Kelly, but so is everyone else in this league and most of college football save Saban or Urbz.
1 outright conference championship and 1/3 of a conference championship in 14 years on the job (11 of those 14 years in a ten team conference) makes him nothing but mediocre.
1 top 5 finish in 14 years on the job makes him nothing but mediocre.
1 meaningful bowel win in 14 years makes him nothing but mediocre.
A worse conference winning percentage than Jim Lambright makes him nothing but mediocre.
He's mediocre Mike because he was mediocre.
Best coach in the conference if he was coaching today my ass.
Bellotti won the Fiesta Bowel, owns 4 10-win seasons, 2 conference titles and beat the best UW team since the 1991 squad.
I know it's fun to call him "Mediocre Mike" around here, but he'd be either the best or second best coach in the league if he were coaching in the PAC now.
He's mediocre compared to Kelly, but so is everyone else in this league and most of college football save Saban or Urbz.
1 outright conference championship and 1/3 of a conference championship in 14 years on the job (11 of those 14 years in a ten team conference) makes him nothing but mediocre.
1 top 5 finish in 14 years on the job makes him nothing but mediocre.
1 meaningful bowel win in 14 years makes him nothing but mediocre.
A worse conference winning percentage than Jim Lambright makes him nothing but mediocre.
He's mediocre Mike because he was mediocre.
Best coach in the conference if he was coaching today my ass.
Your better than this.
No. No he isn't.
Bellotti is no where near as good as Peterman. He pretty much is Graham's equal. Fifth or six best coach in the Pac 12 but only because several teams don't have coaches right now.
Remember - any thing Mike did was done with Phil's massive resources. Hell - Bellotti wouldn't do what Whittingham has done in Utah if he was at Utah.
Bellotti won the Fiesta Bowel, owns 4 10-win seasons, 2 conference titles and beat the best UW team since the 1991 squad.
I know it's fun to call him "Mediocre Mike" around here, but he'd be either the best or second best coach in the league if he were coaching in the PAC now.
He's mediocre compared to Kelly, but so is everyone else in this league and most of college football save Saban or Urbz.
1 outright conference championship and 1/3 of a conference championship in 14 years on the job (11 of those 14 years in a ten team conference) makes him nothing but mediocre.
1 top 5 finish in 14 years on the job makes him nothing but mediocre.
1 meaningful bowel win in 14 years makes him nothing but mediocre.
A worse conference winning percentage than Jim Lambright makes him nothing but mediocre.
He's mediocre Mike because he was mediocre.
Best coach in the conference if he was coaching today my ass.
Your better than this.
Just think how awesome Mediocre Mike would have been if he hadn't had to worry about the Mrs. shining the helmet of every Nike salesman in a 3 state region.
"Kelly is a college winner until he's not." It's funny watching all these doogs yank Kelly's schlong like a bunch of horny schoolgirls. They're the same ones that continually trash Oregon's duckade long run of excellence.
Oregon didn't have a duckade long run of anything except dominating a shit UW team.
They had a four year run of excellence with Chip at the helm, so good that they still had one great year and a really good one left in them under Helfrich.
A great six year run, all thanks to Chip.
Oregon was mediocre before Chip got there as OC and they became mediocre after Chip's players were gone.
Oregon didn't have a run. Chip did.
Chip's an incredible coach. Oregon's just another program.
Da doog run run run, da doog run run.
Jesus.
Theyre not just another program, they're a shit program that hit the booster powerball for a billion fucking dollars.
The power ball is being a school in Los Angeles, like 3 states in the South or being Ohio State.
Bellotti won the Fiesta Bowel, owns 4 10-win seasons, 2 conference titles and beat the best UW team since the 1991 squad.
I know it's fun to call him "Mediocre Mike" around here, but he'd be either the best or second best coach in the league if he were coaching in the PAC now.
He's mediocre compared to Kelly, but so is everyone else in this league and most of college football save Saban or Urbz.
1 outright conference championship and 1/3 of a conference championship in 14 years on the job (11 of those 14 years in a ten team conference) makes him nothing but mediocre.
1 top 5 finish in 14 years on the job makes him nothing but mediocre.
1 meaningful bowel win in 14 years makes him nothing but mediocre.
A worse conference winning percentage than Jim Lambright makes him nothing but mediocre.
He's mediocre Mike because he was mediocre.
Best coach in the conference if he was coaching today my ass.
Your better than this.
To me "Mediocre" is a C. "Good" is a B, and "Excellent" is an A.
Coaching in the league kind of sucks right now. There's no Carrolls, Harbaughs, un-burned out Tedfords, kings of Poop Island, or good Dennis Ericksons right now.
Bellotti was a B coach with a couple of B+ years. He got good results from the talent he had, usually overperformed his recruiting, and learned from his mistakes.
At major conference programs, Bellotti and Peterman have averaged about 9 wins per season, and Bellotti did it with one fewer game than Peterman, for the most part.
Bellotti had one losing record in 14 seasons at a program that had finished below .500 in 18 of the previous 30 years before he became head coach.
And Peterman's finished top 25 7 times, same as Iron Mike, over roughly the same amount of tim.
So who in the league would be better? Peterman? Shaw? the Pirate?
Peterman and Shaw are probably better than Iron Mike but not be a super-wide margin, and Shaw is Shaw. We're going to see what Peterman is really made of over the next 2-3 years.
Bellotti won the Fiesta Bowel, owns 4 10-win seasons, 2 conference titles and beat the best UW team since the 1991 squad.
I know it's fun to call him "Mediocre Mike" around here, but he'd be either the best or second best coach in the league if he were coaching in the PAC now.
He's mediocre compared to Kelly, but so is everyone else in this league and most of college football save Saban or Urbz.
1 outright conference championship and 1/3 of a conference championship in 14 years on the job (11 of those 14 years in a ten team conference) makes him nothing but mediocre.
1 top 5 finish in 14 years on the job makes him nothing but mediocre.
1 meaningful bowel win in 14 years makes him nothing but mediocre.
A worse conference winning percentage than Jim Lambright makes him nothing but mediocre.
He's mediocre Mike because he was mediocre.
Best coach in the conference if he was coaching today my ass.
Your better than this.
To me "Mediocre" is a C. "Good" is a B, and "Excellent" is an A.
Coaching in the league kind of sucks right now. There's no Carrolls, Harbaughs, un-burned out Tedfords, kings of Poop Island, or good Dennis Ericksons right now.
Bellotti was a B coach with a couple of B+ years. He got good results from the talent he had, usually overperformed his recruiting, and learned from his mistakes.
At major conference programs, Bellotti and Peterman have averaged about 9 wins per season, and Bellotti did it with one fewer game than Peterman, for the most part.
Bellotti had one losing record in 14 seasons at a program that had finished below .500 in 18 of the previous 30 years before he became head coach.
And Peterman's finished top 25 7 times, same as Iron Mike, over roughly the same amount of tim.
So who in the league would be better? Peterman? Shaw? the Pirate?
Peterman and Shaw are probably better than Iron Mike but not be a super-wide margin, and Shaw is Shaw. We're going to see what Peterman is really made of over the next 2-3 years.
Holy quook alert. Pete has a better winning percentage "at major programs" despite winning the same amount of games per year and getting an extra game.
Your narrative sucks harder than your maff.
Oh and they both coached before they were at a major program and Pete > Bellotti there.
If you really think the average of Pete's first four years at UW is the average of what he'll accomplish at UW then sure, he's about Bellotti's level of a mediocre coach.
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UW Pete has as many top 5 finishes as Bellotti did in 11 less years.
UW Pete has as many outright conference titles as Bellotti did in 11 years.
Overall Pete has more BCS wins than Bellotti did in two less years (and that's just counting Bellotti at Oregon).
Only a Quook would look at their resumes and say they're on the same level.
Bellotti won the Fiesta Bowel, owns 4 10-win seasons, 2 conference titles and beat the best UW team since the 1991 squad.
I know it's fun to call him "Mediocre Mike" around here, but he'd be either the best or second best coach in the league if he were coaching in the PAC now.
He's mediocre compared to Kelly, but so is everyone else in this league and most of college football save Saban or Urbz.
1 outright conference championship and 1/3 of a conference championship in 14 years on the job (11 of those 14 years in a ten team conference) makes him nothing but mediocre.
1 top 5 finish in 14 years on the job makes him nothing but mediocre.
1 meaningful bowel win in 14 years makes him nothing but mediocre.
A worse conference winning percentage than Jim Lambright makes him nothing but mediocre.
He's mediocre Mike because he was mediocre.
Best coach in the conference if he was coaching today my ass.
Your better than this.
To me "Mediocre" is a C. "Good" is a B, and "Excellent" is an A.
Coaching in the league kind of sucks right now. There's no Carrolls, Harbaughs, un-burned out Tedfords, kings of Poop Island, or good Dennis Ericksons right now.
Bellotti was a B coach with a couple of B+ years. He got good results from the talent he had, usually overperformed his recruiting, and learned from his mistakes.
At major conference programs, Bellotti and Peterman have averaged about 9 wins per season, and Bellotti did it with one fewer game than Peterman, for the most part.
Bellotti had one losing record in 14 seasons at a program that had finished below .500 in 18 of the previous 30 years before he became head coach.
And Peterman's finished top 25 7 times, same as Iron Mike, over roughly the same amount of tim.
So who in the league would be better? Peterman? Shaw? the Pirate?
Peterman and Shaw are probably better than Iron Mike but not be a super-wide margin, and Shaw is Shaw. We're going to see what Peterman is really made of over the next 2-3 years.
Holy quook alert. Pete has a better winning percentage "at major programs" despite winning the same amount of games per year and getting an extra game.
Your narrative sucks harder than your maff.
Oh and they both coached before they were at a major program and Pete > Bellotti there.
If you really think the average of Pete's first four years at UW is the average of what he'll accomplish at UW then sure, he's about Bellotti's level of a mediocre coach.
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UW Pete has as many top 5 finishes as Bellotti did in 11 less years.
UW Pete has as many outright conference titles as Bellotti did in 11 years.
Overall Pete has more BCS wins than Bellotti did in two less years (and that's just counting Bellotti at Oregon).
Only a Quook would look at their resumes and say they're on the same level.
Bellotti won the Fiesta Bowel, owns 4 10-win seasons, 2 conference titles and beat the best UW team since the 1991 squad.
I know it's fun to call him "Mediocre Mike" around here, but he'd be either the best or second best coach in the league if he were coaching in the PAC now.
He's mediocre compared to Kelly, but so is everyone else in this league and most of college football save Saban or Urbz.
1 outright conference championship and 1/3 of a conference championship in 14 years on the job (11 of those 14 years in a ten team conference) makes him nothing but mediocre.
1 top 5 finish in 14 years on the job makes him nothing but mediocre.
1 meaningful bowel win in 14 years makes him nothing but mediocre.
A worse conference winning percentage than Jim Lambright makes him nothing but mediocre.
He's mediocre Mike because he was mediocre.
Best coach in the conference if he was coaching today my ass.
Your better than this.
To me "Mediocre" is a C. "Good" is a B, and "Excellent" is an A.
Coaching in the league kind of sucks right now. There's no Carrolls, Harbaughs, un-burned out Tedfords, kings of Poop Island, or good Dennis Ericksons right now.
Bellotti was a B coach with a couple of B+ years. He got good results from the talent he had, usually overperformed his recruiting, and learned from his mistakes.
At major conference programs, Bellotti and Peterman have averaged about 9 wins per season, and Bellotti did it with one fewer game than Peterman, for the most part.
Bellotti had one losing record in 14 seasons at a program that had finished below .500 in 18 of the previous 30 years before he became head coach.
And Peterman's finished top 25 7 times, same as Iron Mike, over roughly the same amount of tim.
So who in the league would be better? Peterman? Shaw? the Pirate?
Peterman and Shaw are probably better than Iron Mike but not be a super-wide margin, and Shaw is Shaw. We're going to see what Peterman is really made of over the next 2-3 years.
Holy quook alert. Pete has a better winning percentage "at major programs" despite winning the same amount of games per year and getting an extra game.
Your narrative sucks harder than your maff.
Oh and they both coached before they were at a major program and Pete > Bellotti there.
If you really think the average of Pete's first four years at UW is the average of what he'll accomplish at UW then sure, he's about Bellotti's level of a mediocre coach.
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UW Pete has as many top 5 finishes as Bellotti did in 11 less years.
UW Pete has as many outright conference titles as Bellotti did in 11 years.
Overall Pete has more BCS wins than Bellotti did in two less years (and that's just counting Bellotti at Oregon).
Only a Quook would look at their resumes and say they're on the same level.
Once again, your better than this.
No, no he's not
AZDuck has always been one of my favorite, classy, poasters.
Bellotti won the Fiesta Bowel, owns 4 10-win seasons, 2 conference titles and beat the best UW team since the 1991 squad.
I know it's fun to call him "Mediocre Mike" around here, but he'd be either the best or second best coach in the league if he were coaching in the PAC now.
He's mediocre compared to Kelly, but so is everyone else in this league and most of college football save Saban or Urbz.
1 outright conference championship and 1/3 of a conference championship in 14 years on the job (11 of those 14 years in a ten team conference) makes him nothing but mediocre.
1 top 5 finish in 14 years on the job makes him nothing but mediocre.
1 meaningful bowel win in 14 years makes him nothing but mediocre.
A worse conference winning percentage than Jim Lambright makes him nothing but mediocre.
He's mediocre Mike because he was mediocre.
Best coach in the conference if he was coaching today my ass.
Your better than this.
To me "Mediocre" is a C. "Good" is a B, and "Excellent" is an A.
Coaching in the league kind of sucks right now. There's no Carrolls, Harbaughs, un-burned out Tedfords, kings of Poop Island, or good Dennis Ericksons right now.
Bellotti was a B coach with a couple of B+ years. He got good results from the talent he had, usually overperformed his recruiting, and learned from his mistakes.
At major conference programs, Bellotti and Peterman have averaged about 9 wins per season, and Bellotti did it with one fewer game than Peterman, for the most part.
Bellotti had one losing record in 14 seasons at a program that had finished below .500 in 18 of the previous 30 years before he became head coach.
And Peterman's finished top 25 7 times, same as Iron Mike, over roughly the same amount of tim.
So who in the league would be better? Peterman? Shaw? the Pirate?
Peterman and Shaw are probably better than Iron Mike but not be a super-wide margin, and Shaw is Shaw. We're going to see what Peterman is really made of over the next 2-3 years.
Holy quook alert. Pete has a better winning percentage "at major programs" despite winning the same amount of games per year and getting an extra game.
Your narrative sucks harder than your maff.
Oh and they both coached before they were at a major program and Pete > Bellotti there.
If you really think the average of Pete's first four years at UW is the average of what he'll accomplish at UW then sure, he's about Bellotti's level of a mediocre coach.
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UW Pete has as many top 5 finishes as Bellotti did in 11 less years.
UW Pete has as many outright conference titles as Bellotti did in 11 years.
Overall Pete has more BCS wins than Bellotti did in two less years (and that's just counting Bellotti at Oregon).
Only a Quook would look at their resumes and say they're on the same level.
Once again, your better than this.
Is Peterman the best coach in this league?
If you believe he is or if he’s in the top 2, AZ isn’t far off in his analysis.
You would have to agree with that. There’s literally no argument.
If I'm a UW fan, this year's performance has me at least a little bit concerned.
Peterman is one of the top coaches in the league, and most likely the top. I thought I made that clear. It just isn't a super high bar right now. Utah and Stanford should be concerning for Peterman partizans.
Bellotti was a good to very good coach. Karl Dorrell, John Cooper and Bruce Snyder are the epitome of long-term "mediocre" coaches, who typically have one peak year at a coaching stop and tended to do a little less with a little more. Or a lot more, in Cooper's case.
Jury's still out with Peterman. Next year is all his own recruits for the first tim, yes?
Bellotti won the Fiesta Bowel, owns 4 10-win seasons, 2 conference titles and beat the best UW team since the 1991 squad.
I know it's fun to call him "Mediocre Mike" around here, but he'd be either the best or second best coach in the league if he were coaching in the PAC now.
He's mediocre compared to Kelly, but so is everyone else in this league and most of college football save Saban or Urbz.
1 outright conference championship and 1/3 of a conference championship in 14 years on the job (11 of those 14 years in a ten team conference) makes him nothing but mediocre.
1 top 5 finish in 14 years on the job makes him nothing but mediocre.
1 meaningful bowel win in 14 years makes him nothing but mediocre.
A worse conference winning percentage than Jim Lambright makes him nothing but mediocre.
He's mediocre Mike because he was mediocre.
Best coach in the conference if he was coaching today my ass.
Your better than this.
To me "Mediocre" is a C. "Good" is a B, and "Excellent" is an A.
Coaching in the league kind of sucks right now. There's no Carrolls, Harbaughs, un-burned out Tedfords, kings of Poop Island, or good Dennis Ericksons right now.
Bellotti was a B coach with a couple of B+ years. He got good results from the talent he had, usually overperformed his recruiting, and learned from his mistakes.
At major conference programs, Bellotti and Peterman have averaged about 9 wins per season, and Bellotti did it with one fewer game than Peterman, for the most part.
Bellotti had one losing record in 14 seasons at a program that had finished below .500 in 18 of the previous 30 years before he became head coach.
And Peterman's finished top 25 7 times, same as Iron Mike, over roughly the same amount of tim.
So who in the league would be better? Peterman? Shaw? the Pirate?
Peterman and Shaw are probably better than Iron Mike but not be a super-wide margin, and Shaw is Shaw. We're going to see what Peterman is really made of over the next 2-3 years.
Holy quook alert. Pete has a better winning percentage "at major programs" despite winning the same amount of games per year and getting an extra game.
Your narrative sucks harder than your maff.
Oh and they both coached before they were at a major program and Pete > Bellotti there.
If you really think the average of Pete's first four years at UW is the average of what he'll accomplish at UW then sure, he's about Bellotti's level of a mediocre coach.
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UW Pete has as many top 5 finishes as Bellotti did in 11 less years.
UW Pete has as many outright conference titles as Bellotti did in 11 years.
Overall Pete has more BCS wins than Bellotti did in two less years (and that's just counting Bellotti at Oregon).
Only a Quook would look at their resumes and say they're on the same level.
Once again, your better than this.
Is Peterman the best coach in this league?
If you believe he is or if he’s in the top 2, AZ isn’t far off in his analysis.
You would have to agree with that. There’s literally no argument.
#whitebellotti
I believe Pete is the best coach in the league but if his next four years match his first four years (slightly better than Bellotti) I'll be very disappointed.
I'd take David Shaw over Bellotti in a heartbeat.
I don't believe Bellotti could do what Leach has done at WSU.
If I'm a UW fan, this year's performance has me at least a little bit concerned.
Peterman is one of the top coaches in the league, and most likely the top. I thought I made that clear. It just isn't a super high bar right now. Utah and Stanford should be concerning for Peterman partizans.
Bellotti was a good to very good coach. Karl Dorrell, John Cooper and Bruce Snyder are the epitome of long-term "mediocre" coaches, who typically have one peak year at a coaching stop and tended to do a little less with a little more. Or a lot more, in Cooper's case.
Jury's still out with Peterman. Next year is all his own recruits for the first tim, yes?
I agree with most of this but anything calling Bellotti "a very good coach" is an automatic downvote. He was slightly above average but nothing close to very good.
I guaranfuckingtee you if Peterman only wins one conference championship in 14 years you won't be here calling him "good to very good".
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Oregon has 10 10 win seasons in their history. Kelly was the HC for four of them and the OC for one of them. In 6 years at the school. And his players added another two. Kelly's the common demoninator for 70% of the 10 win seasons in their history.
He's a fucking special coach.
On the talent part, I'd say some of Bellotti's teams had better talent than many of Chip's. Chip is a better, much better, coach.
I'm just saying outside of Chip, Bellotti beat up on Ty. Not really impressive. Fuck, Bellotti lost to Gilby. That should be a fireable offense.
El oh El. MossterFuckingStupid. Stick to fishing.
I know it's fun to call him "Mediocre Mike" around here, but he'd be either the best or second best coach in the league if he were coaching in the PAC now.
He's mediocre compared to Kelly, but so is everyone else in this league and most of college football save Saban or Urbz.
1 top 5 finish in 14 years on the job makes him nothing but mediocre.
1 meaningful bowel win in 14 years makes him nothing but mediocre.
A worse conference winning percentage than Jim Lambright makes him nothing but mediocre.
He's mediocre Mike because he was mediocre.
Best coach in the conference if he was coaching today my ass.
Your better than this.
No. No he isn't.
Bellotti is no where near as good as Peterman. He pretty much is Graham's equal. Fifth or six best coach in the Pac 12 but only because several teams don't have coaches right now.
Remember - any thing Mike did was done with Phil's massive resources. Hell - Bellotti wouldn't do what Whittingham has done in Utah if he was at Utah.
Ditto for MB at WSU.
Coaching in the league kind of sucks right now. There's no Carrolls, Harbaughs, un-burned out Tedfords, kings of Poop Island, or good Dennis Ericksons right now.
Bellotti was a B coach with a couple of B+ years. He got good results from the talent he had, usually overperformed his recruiting, and learned from his mistakes.
At major conference programs, Bellotti and Peterman have averaged about 9 wins per season, and Bellotti did it with one fewer game than Peterman, for the most part.
Bellotti had one losing record in 14 seasons at a program that had finished below .500 in 18 of the previous 30 years before he became head coach.
And Peterman's finished top 25 7 times, same as Iron Mike, over roughly the same amount of tim.
So who in the league would be better? Peterman? Shaw? the Pirate?
Peterman and Shaw are probably better than Iron Mike but not be a super-wide margin, and Shaw is Shaw. We're going to see what Peterman is really made of over the next 2-3 years.
Your narrative sucks harder than your maff.
Oh and they both coached before they were at a major program and Pete > Bellotti there.
If you really think the average of Pete's first four years at UW is the average of what he'll accomplish at UW then sure, he's about Bellotti's level of a mediocre coach.
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UW Pete has as many top 5 finishes as Bellotti did in 11 less years.
UW Pete has as many outright conference titles as Bellotti did in 11 years.
Overall Pete has more BCS wins than Bellotti did in two less years (and that's just counting Bellotti at Oregon).
Only a Quook would look at their resumes and say they're on the same level.
Once again, your better than this.
This week hasn't been his best work.
If you believe he is or if he’s in the top 2, AZ isn’t far off in his analysis.
You would have to agree with that. There’s literally no argument.
#whitebellotti
Peterman is one of the top coaches in the league, and most likely the top. I thought I made that clear. It just isn't a super high bar right now. Utah and Stanford should be concerning for Peterman partizans.
Bellotti was a good to very good coach. Karl Dorrell, John Cooper and Bruce Snyder are the epitome of long-term "mediocre" coaches, who typically have one peak year at a coaching stop and tended to do a little less with a little more. Or a lot more, in Cooper's case.
Jury's still out with Peterman. Next year is all his own recruits for the first tim, yes?
I'd take David Shaw over Bellotti in a heartbeat.
I don't believe Bellotti could do what Leach has done at WSU.
There's plenty of argument.
I guaranfuckingtee you if Peterman only wins one conference championship in 14 years you won't be here calling him "good to very good".
I sure as fuck won't.
GTFO of here with that shit.