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The One Flaw in the Willie Gator Theory

creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,267
edited November 2017 in College Football Forum
Florida is a program that thinks of itself (rightly or wrongly) as among the most elite. That's an arrogant bunch of under-performers if you haven't had the pleasure.

Their alumni base would explode if they hired Willie. A potentially 7-5 season in his first stop is not a credential, especially in their eyes. They won't buy the recruiter angle because they can recruit themselves and they've had a bitchin' recruiter who couldn't coach in their recent past. These guys won with Urban Meyer and have since tried all the usual angles - mid-tier success, decorated coordinator, etc.

Anything in this goofy ass business is possible, and little shocks me anymore. But Florida does not see itself (rightly or wrongly) as a job for a guy like Taggart. They think they can do better, whether they can or not. And, cadidly, they probably can.

The shit circumstances that he inherited are not going to matter to anyone down there. They think the conference is a cake walk every year and they're not going to care about an injured Oregon QB not named Marcus Mariotta or how much the defense improved from shit-on-the-floor a year ago.

Willie Beamon may be looking ... don't know ... but I don't see Florida interested in him.
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  • MikeSeaverMikeSeaver Member Posts: 5,030
    Just to elaborate on your point, it’s not exactly like Oregon fans wanted this guy or even do now. Everyone is in kind of in wait and see mode other than the recruiting side of things, which, isn’t even delivered upon yet.

    But we’re to assume Florida is going to fall all over themselves to try and get this guy? Seems a reach.

    Either way it won’t be interesting at all.

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  • KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,885
    RaceBannon said:

    Spurrier and Meyer revolutionized the game in their own way and won big at Florida

    That's why Kelley is the obvious choice. He's more like those two than anyone else they could get

    One you are in multiple title territory with two all time great coaches in 20-30 years you will keep firing until you get it right.. Don't blame them

    Except that Kelly won't be bringing any revolution to the game. At least 3/4 of all schools out there have tweaked their offense to resemble what Kelly did at Oregon. Some with success, some without. The point being is that every D coordinator has seen it.

    There's no mystique to a zone-read anymore. It's whether you have the James and the Joseph's to execute it as to whether you have the success. Just like any offense that you run.

    Oregon was new, fresh and smelled like a new Lambo when Kelly led Oregon was at their peak.

    That lightning won't ever be bottled again by Charles, be it at FLA or anywhere else. There will never be the sizzle surrounding his program that will give him a leg up on his competition like at Oregon.
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  • KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,885
    RaceBannon said:

    Of course the same thing was said when Urban brought his cute little offense from Utah

    And the mighty SEC is no place for throwing it all around like Spurrior did at Duke

    And of course this was all before Kelly found success at Oregon. Many SEC teams have already installed elements of an uptempo zone read offense or look. Again some with success, some not so much. IF Kelly can recruit the right kids to run it, He can have success. The main point is that Kelly enjoys no substantial differentiators over much of the ACC and SEC, in which He'd be recruiting against.
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  • Mosster47Mosster47 Member Posts: 6,246
    Here is why Willie would be an idiot to leave Eugene:

    He can recruit a Top 5 class every year.
    The demand is much lower than any SEC school.

    In the Pac-12 there will be one program with the talent comparable to what he is recruiting and they almost always fuck up their coaching hires.

    The SEC has four programs with USC type talent and a fifth that has it about every third year. If aTm ever makes a good hire that would make seasons where half the conference is loaded. The demand on success for the coaches is crazy as well.

    The playoff is going to go to 8 teams sooner rather than later. It would be pretty easy to be 10-2 from Eugene on a yearly basis and get in there most years. As UW moves closer and closer to Boise State level and Stanford lays on everyone with one skill kid the Pac-12 is the easiest road in the business. The money will be there if you win no matter where you are.
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  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,267
    Mosster47 said:

    Here is why Willie would be an idiot to leave Eugene:

    He can recruit a Top 5 class every year.
    The demand is much lower than any SEC school.

    In the Pac-12 there will be one program with the talent comparable to what he is recruiting and they almost always fuck up their coaching hires.

    The SEC has four programs with USC type talent and a fifth that has it about every third year. If aTm ever makes a good hire that would make seasons where half the conference is loaded. The demand on success for the coaches is crazy as well.

    The playoff is going to go to 8 teams sooner rather than later. It would be pretty easy to be 10-2 from Eugene on a yearly basis and get in there most years. As UW moves closer and closer to Boise State level and Stanford lays on everyone with one skill kid the Pac-12 is the easiest road in the business. The money will be there if you win no matter where you are.

    Only things I agree with, at all, are in bold. While things may be very competitive, in the SEC, you're underestimating the Pac 12 and how much the right coach can do at Florida.
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  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,267
    edited November 2017
    salemcoog said:

    RaceBannon said:

    Of course the same thing was said when Urban brought his cute little offense from Utah

    And the mighty SEC is no place for throwing it all around like Spurrior did at Duke

    And of course this was all before Kelly found success at Oregon. Many SEC teams have already installed elements of an uptempo zone read offense or look. Again some with success, some not so much. IF Kelly can recruit the right kids to run it, He can have success. The main point is that Kelly enjoys no substantial differentiators over much of the ACC and SEC, in which He'd be recruiting against.
    It's not like he had the formula for Coke and it was leaked. It's a bunch of things: how you run your practice, how you coach who you have to run said offense, conditioning, etc. etc.
    It's also being a smart game-day coach and getting the most out of your players. It's coaching, and he's good at it. Sure he might fail ... they all do eventually. But for a guy who doesnt like to recruit, Florida is a choice job. 85+% of what you need to kick ass will come to you of their own accord because they live down the street. Bear Bryant used to call Florida the sleeping giant for a reason.
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  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,267
    RaceBannon said:

    Spurrier and Meyer revolutionized the game in their own way and won big at Florida

    That's why Kelley is the obvious choice. He's more like those two than anyone else they could get

    One you are in multiple title territory with two all time great coaches in 20-30 years you will keep firing until you get it right.. Don't blame them

    As it should be.
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  • BasemanBaseman Member Posts: 12,366
    salemcoog said:

    RaceBannon said:

    Of course the same thing was said when Urban brought his cute little offense from Utah

    And the mighty SEC is no place for throwing it all around like Spurrior did at Duke

    And of course this was all before Kelly found success at Oregon. Many SEC teams have already installed elements of an uptempo zone read offense or look. Again some with success, some not so much. IF Kelly can recruit the right kids to run it, He can have success. The main point is that Kelly enjoys no substantial differentiators over much of the ACC and SEC, in which He'd be recruiting against.
    Doog Coug poast. Kelly is a college winner until he’s not.
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  • oregonblitzkriegoregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
    "Kelly is a college winner until he's not." It's funny watching all these doogs yank Kelly's schlong like a bunch of horny schoolgirls. They're the same ones that continually trash Oregon's duckade long run of excellence.
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  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,267
    dnc said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    "Kelly is a college winner until he's not." It's funny watching all these doogs yank Kelly's schlong like a bunch of horny schoolgirls. They're the same ones that continually trash Oregon's duckade long run of excellence.

    Oregon didn't have a duckade long run of anything except dominating a shit UW team.

    They had a four year run of excellence with Chip at the helm, so good that they still had one great year and a really good one left in them under Helfrich.

    A great six year run, all thanks to Chip.

    Oregon was mediocre before Chip got there as OC and they became mediocre after Chip's players were gone.

    Oregon didn't have a run. Chip did.

    Chip's an incredible coach. Oregon's just another program.
    Da doog run run run, da doog run run.

    Jesus.
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