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FS Great Compromise of 1787 - Looking at the numbers

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  • AZDuckAZDuck Member Posts: 15,381

    AZDuck said:

    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.
    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.
    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.
    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.
    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.
    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.
    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.

    Fuck off. Electoral college is there for a reason, to prevent NY and CA from deciding every election. You lost you fucking crybaby. Fair and square. The rules are the rules. Did your mommy change them every time your spoilt ass started crying and threw a tantrum?
    you're too dumb to argue with, so imma let Thomas Jefferson do it
    On similar ground it may be proved that no society can make a perpetual constitution, or even a perpetual law. The earth belongs always to the living generation. They may manage it then, and what proceeds from it, as they please, during their usufruct. They are masters too of their own persons, and consequently may govern them as they please. But persons and property make the sum of the objects of government. The constitution and the laws of their predecessors extinguished then in their natural course with those who gave them being. This could preserve that being till it ceased to be itself, and no longer. Every constitution then, and every law, naturally expires at the end of 19 years. If it be enforced longer, it is an act of force, and not of right.--It may be said that the succeeding generation exercising in fact the power of repeal, this leaves them as free as if the constitution or law has been expressly limited to 19 years only. In the first place, this objection admits the right, in proposing an equivalent. But the power of repeal is not an equivalent. It might be indeed if every form of government were so perfectly contrived that the will of the majority could always be obtained fairly and without impediment. But this is true of no form. The people cannot assemble themselves. Their representation is unequal and vicious. Various checks are opposed to every legislative proposition. Factions get possession of the public councils. Bribery corrupts them. Personal interests lead them astray from the general interests of their constituents: and other impediments arise so as to prove to every practical man that a law of limited duration is much more manageable than one which needs a repeal.
  • oregonblitzkriegoregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
    AZDuck said:

    AZDuck said:

    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.
    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.
    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.
    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.
    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.
    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.
    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.

    Fuck off. Electoral college is there for a reason, to prevent NY and CA from deciding every election. You lost you fucking crybaby. Fair and square. The rules are the rules. Did your mommy change them every time your spoilt ass started crying and threw a tantrum?
    you're too dumb to argue with, so imma let Thomas Jefferson do it
    On similar ground it may be proved that no society can make a perpetual constitution, or even a perpetual law. The earth belongs always to the living generation. They may manage it then, and what proceeds from it, as they please, during their usufruct. They are masters too of their own persons, and consequently may govern them as they please. But persons and property make the sum of the objects of government. The constitution and the laws of their predecessors extinguished then in their natural course with those who gave them being. This could preserve that being till it ceased to be itself, and no longer. Every constitution then, and every law, naturally expires at the end of 19 years. If it be enforced longer, it is an act of force, and not of right.--It may be said that the succeeding generation exercising in fact the power of repeal, this leaves them as free as if the constitution or law has been expressly limited to 19 years only. In the first place, this objection admits the right, in proposing an equivalent. But the power of repeal is not an equivalent. It might be indeed if every form of government were so perfectly contrived that the will of the majority could always be obtained fairly and without impediment. But this is true of no form. The people cannot assemble themselves. Their representation is unequal and vicious. Various checks are opposed to every legislative proposition. Factions get possession of the public councils. Bribery corrupts them. Personal interests lead them astray from the general interests of their constituents: and other impediments arise so as to prove to every practical man that a law of limited duration is much more manageable than one which needs a repeal.


    TJ's personal writings are irrelevant. If its not in the Constitution it doesnt matter. If you think the founders intended for one or two states to have a perpetual monopoly on presidential elections, you are more retarded than I thought.
  • AZDuckAZDuck Member Posts: 15,381
    edited November 2017

    AZDuck said:

    AZDuck said:

    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.
    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.
    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.
    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.
    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.
    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.
    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.

    Fuck off. Electoral college is there for a reason, to prevent NY and CA from deciding every election. You lost you fucking crybaby. Fair and square. The rules are the rules. Did your mommy change them every time your spoilt ass started crying and threw a tantrum?
    you're too dumb to argue with, so imma let Thomas Jefferson do it
    On similar ground it may be proved that no society can make a perpetual constitution, or even a perpetual law. The earth belongs always to the living generation. They may manage it then, and what proceeds from it, as they please, during their usufruct. They are masters too of their own persons, and consequently may govern them as they please. But persons and property make the sum of the objects of government. The constitution and the laws of their predecessors extinguished then in their natural course with those who gave them being. This could preserve that being till it ceased to be itself, and no longer. Every constitution then, and every law, naturally expires at the end of 19 years. If it be enforced longer, it is an act of force, and not of right.--It may be said that the succeeding generation exercising in fact the power of repeal, this leaves them as free as if the constitution or law has been expressly limited to 19 years only. In the first place, this objection admits the right, in proposing an equivalent. But the power of repeal is not an equivalent. It might be indeed if every form of government were so perfectly contrived that the will of the majority could always be obtained fairly and without impediment. But this is true of no form. The people cannot assemble themselves. Their representation is unequal and vicious. Various checks are opposed to every legislative proposition. Factions get possession of the public councils. Bribery corrupts them. Personal interests lead them astray from the general interests of their constituents: and other impediments arise so as to prove to every practical man that a law of limited duration is much more manageable than one which needs a repeal.


    TJ's personal writings are irrelevant. If its not in the Constitution it doesnt matter. If you think the founders intended for one or two states to have a perpetual monopoly on presidential elections, you are more retarded than I thought.
    do you think that my call for proportional representation is about Presidential elections?
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 44,167 Standard Supporter
    AZDuck said:

    AZDuck said:

    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.
    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.
    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.
    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.
    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.
    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.
    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.

    Fuck off. Electoral college is there for a reason, to prevent NY and CA from deciding every election. You lost you fucking crybaby. Fair and square. The rules are the rules. Did your mommy change them every time your spoilt ass started crying and threw a tantrum?
    you're too dumb to argue with, so imma let Thomas Jefferson do it
    On similar ground it may be proved that no society can make a perpetual constitution, or even a perpetual law. The earth belongs always to the living generation. They may manage it then, and what proceeds from it, as they please, during their usufruct. They are masters too of their own persons, and consequently may govern them as they please. But persons and property make the sum of the objects of government. The constitution and the laws of their predecessors extinguished then in their natural course with those who gave them being. This could preserve that being till it ceased to be itself, and no longer. Every constitution then, and every law, naturally expires at the end of 19 years. If it be enforced longer, it is an act of force, and not of right.--It may be said that the succeeding generation exercising in fact the power of repeal, this leaves them as free as if the constitution or law has been expressly limited to 19 years only. In the first place, this objection admits the right, in proposing an equivalent. But the power of repeal is not an equivalent. It might be indeed if every form of government were so perfectly contrived that the will of the majority could always be obtained fairly and without impediment. But this is true of no form. The people cannot assemble themselves. Their representation is unequal and vicious. Various checks are opposed to every legislative proposition. Factions get possession of the public councils. Bribery corrupts them. Personal interests lead them astray from the general interests of their constituents: and other impediments arise so as to prove to every practical man that a law of limited duration is much more manageable than one which needs a repeal.


    You don't like the rules? Change them.

    It takes 3/4 of the states to agree.

    Good luck.

  • AZDuckAZDuck Member Posts: 15,381
    edited November 2017

    AZDuck said:

    AZDuck said:

    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.
    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.
    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.
    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.
    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.
    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.
    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.

    Fuck off. Electoral college is there for a reason, to prevent NY and CA from deciding every election. You lost you fucking crybaby. Fair and square. The rules are the rules. Did your mommy change them every time your spoilt ass started crying and threw a tantrum?
    you're too dumb to argue with, so imma let Thomas Jefferson do it
    On similar ground it may be proved that no society can make a perpetual constitution, or even a perpetual law. The earth belongs always to the living generation. They may manage it then, and what proceeds from it, as they please, during their usufruct. They are masters too of their own persons, and consequently may govern them as they please. But persons and property make the sum of the objects of government. The constitution and the laws of their predecessors extinguished then in their natural course with those who gave them being. This could preserve that being till it ceased to be itself, and no longer. Every constitution then, and every law, naturally expires at the end of 19 years. If it be enforced longer, it is an act of force, and not of right.--It may be said that the succeeding generation exercising in fact the power of repeal, this leaves them as free as if the constitution or law has been expressly limited to 19 years only. In the first place, this objection admits the right, in proposing an equivalent. But the power of repeal is not an equivalent. It might be indeed if every form of government were so perfectly contrived that the will of the majority could always be obtained fairly and without impediment. But this is true of no form. The people cannot assemble themselves. Their representation is unequal and vicious. Various checks are opposed to every legislative proposition. Factions get possession of the public councils. Bribery corrupts them. Personal interests lead them astray from the general interests of their constituents: and other impediments arise so as to prove to every practical man that a law of limited duration is much more manageable than one which needs a repeal.


    You don't like the rules? Change them.

    It takes 3/4 of the states to agree.

    Good luck.

    Yeah, that was kinda TJ's poont.
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 44,167 Standard Supporter
    AZDuck said:

    AZDuck said:

    AZDuck said:

    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.
    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.
    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.
    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.
    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.
    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.
    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.

    Fuck off. Electoral college is there for a reason, to prevent NY and CA from deciding every election. You lost you fucking crybaby. Fair and square. The rules are the rules. Did your mommy change them every time your spoilt ass started crying and threw a tantrum?
    you're too dumb to argue with, so imma let Thomas Jefferson do it
    On similar ground it may be proved that no society can make a perpetual constitution, or even a perpetual law. The earth belongs always to the living generation. They may manage it then, and what proceeds from it, as they please, during their usufruct. They are masters too of their own persons, and consequently may govern them as they please. But persons and property make the sum of the objects of government. The constitution and the laws of their predecessors extinguished then in their natural course with those who gave them being. This could preserve that being till it ceased to be itself, and no longer. Every constitution then, and every law, naturally expires at the end of 19 years. If it be enforced longer, it is an act of force, and not of right.--It may be said that the succeeding generation exercising in fact the power of repeal, this leaves them as free as if the constitution or law has been expressly limited to 19 years only. In the first place, this objection admits the right, in proposing an equivalent. But the power of repeal is not an equivalent. It might be indeed if every form of government were so perfectly contrived that the will of the majority could always be obtained fairly and without impediment. But this is true of no form. The people cannot assemble themselves. Their representation is unequal and vicious. Various checks are opposed to every legislative proposition. Factions get possession of the public councils. Bribery corrupts them. Personal interests lead them astray from the general interests of their constituents: and other impediments arise so as to prove to every practical man that a law of limited duration is much more manageable than one which needs a repeal.


    You don't like the rules? Change them.

    It takes 3/4 of the states to agree.

    Good luck.

    Yeah, that was kinda TJ's poont.
    So TJ was for the Constitution before he was against?

    If he liked his Constitution, could he keep it?

  • AZDuckAZDuck Member Posts: 15,381

    AZDuck said:

    AZDuck said:

    AZDuck said:

    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.
    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.
    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.
    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.
    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.
    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.
    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.

    Fuck off. Electoral college is there for a reason, to prevent NY and CA from deciding every election. You lost you fucking crybaby. Fair and square. The rules are the rules. Did your mommy change them every time your spoilt ass started crying and threw a tantrum?
    you're too dumb to argue with, so imma let Thomas Jefferson do it
    On similar ground it may be proved that no society can make a perpetual constitution, or even a perpetual law. The earth belongs always to the living generation. They may manage it then, and what proceeds from it, as they please, during their usufruct. They are masters too of their own persons, and consequently may govern them as they please. But persons and property make the sum of the objects of government. The constitution and the laws of their predecessors extinguished then in their natural course with those who gave them being. This could preserve that being till it ceased to be itself, and no longer. Every constitution then, and every law, naturally expires at the end of 19 years. If it be enforced longer, it is an act of force, and not of right.--It may be said that the succeeding generation exercising in fact the power of repeal, this leaves them as free as if the constitution or law has been expressly limited to 19 years only. In the first place, this objection admits the right, in proposing an equivalent. But the power of repeal is not an equivalent. It might be indeed if every form of government were so perfectly contrived that the will of the majority could always be obtained fairly and without impediment. But this is true of no form. The people cannot assemble themselves. Their representation is unequal and vicious. Various checks are opposed to every legislative proposition. Factions get possession of the public councils. Bribery corrupts them. Personal interests lead them astray from the general interests of their constituents: and other impediments arise so as to prove to every practical man that a law of limited duration is much more manageable than one which needs a repeal.


    You don't like the rules? Change them.

    It takes 3/4 of the states to agree.

    Good luck.

    Yeah, that was kinda TJ's poont.
    So TJ was for the Constitution before he was against?

    If he liked his Constitution, could he keep it?

    He liked his constitutions like he liked his women. No more than 19 years old.
  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 35,415 Founders Club
    AZDuck said:

    AZDuck said:

    AZDuck said:

    AZDuck said:

    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.
    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.
    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.
    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.
    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.
    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.
    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.

    Fuck off. Electoral college is there for a reason, to prevent NY and CA from deciding every election. You lost you fucking crybaby. Fair and square. The rules are the rules. Did your mommy change them every time your spoilt ass started crying and threw a tantrum?
    you're too dumb to argue with, so imma let Thomas Jefferson do it
    On similar ground it may be proved that no society can make a perpetual constitution, or even a perpetual law. The earth belongs always to the living generation. They may manage it then, and what proceeds from it, as they please, during their usufruct. They are masters too of their own persons, and consequently may govern them as they please. But persons and property make the sum of the objects of government. The constitution and the laws of their predecessors extinguished then in their natural course with those who gave them being. This could preserve that being till it ceased to be itself, and no longer. Every constitution then, and every law, naturally expires at the end of 19 years. If it be enforced longer, it is an act of force, and not of right.--It may be said that the succeeding generation exercising in fact the power of repeal, this leaves them as free as if the constitution or law has been expressly limited to 19 years only. In the first place, this objection admits the right, in proposing an equivalent. But the power of repeal is not an equivalent. It might be indeed if every form of government were so perfectly contrived that the will of the majority could always be obtained fairly and without impediment. But this is true of no form. The people cannot assemble themselves. Their representation is unequal and vicious. Various checks are opposed to every legislative proposition. Factions get possession of the public councils. Bribery corrupts them. Personal interests lead them astray from the general interests of their constituents: and other impediments arise so as to prove to every practical man that a law of limited duration is much more manageable than one which needs a repeal.


    You don't like the rules? Change them.

    It takes 3/4 of the states to agree.

    Good luck.

    Yeah, that was kinda TJ's poont.
    So TJ was for the Constitution before he was against?

    If he liked his Constitution, could he keep it?

    He liked his constitutions like he liked his women. No more than 19 years old.
    YKW

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  • AZDuckAZDuck Member Posts: 15,381
    sorry I didn't have a daguerrotype handy
  • TierbsHsotBoobsTierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680

    AZDuck said:

    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.
    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.
    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.
    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.
    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.
    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.
    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.

    Fuck off. Electoral college is there for a reason, to prevent NY and CA from deciding every election. You lost you fucking crybaby. Fair and square. The rules are the rules. Did your mommy change them every time your spoilt ass started crying and threw a tantrum?
    Today I learned California was a thing when the electoral college was invented.
  • AZDuckAZDuck Member Posts: 15,381
    edited November 2017

    AZDuck said:

    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.
    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.
    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.
    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.
    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.
    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.
    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.

    Fuck off. Electoral college is there for a reason, to prevent NY and CA from deciding every election. You lost you fucking crybaby. Fair and square. The rules are the rules. Did your mommy change them every time your spoilt ass started crying and threw a tantrum?
    Today I learned California was a thing when the electoral college was invented.
    I learned that proportional representation can affect the election of a unitary executive
  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 35,415 Founders Club

    AZDuck said:

    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.
    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.
    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.
    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.
    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.
    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.
    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW.

    Fuck off. Electoral college is there for a reason, to prevent NY and CA from deciding every election. You lost you fucking crybaby. Fair and square. The rules are the rules. Did your mommy change them every time your spoilt ass started crying and threw a tantrum?
    Today I learned California was a thing when the electoral college was invented.
    Not everyone gets an invite for the Higher Level History Discushion Bored.
  • Pitchfork51Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 26,949
    Man history is gay. Only class I got a B in in middle school.


    I do enjoy 19 year old girls though I'm down with that.
  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 35,415 Founders Club

    Man history is gay. Only class I got a B in in middle school.


    I do enjoy 19 year old girls though I'm down with that.

    image
  • Pitchfork51Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 26,949

    Man history is gay. Only class I got a B in in middle school.


    I do enjoy 19 year old girls though I'm down with that.

    image
    Shit man I forgot that line. Underrated
  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 35,415 Founders Club

    Man history is gay. Only class I got a B in in middle school.


    I do enjoy 19 year old girls though I'm down with that.

    image
    Shit man I forgot that line. Underrated
    Underrated film IMO.
  • Pitchfork51Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 26,949

    Man history is gay. Only class I got a B in in middle school.


    I do enjoy 19 year old girls though I'm down with that.

    image
    Shit man I forgot that line. Underrated
    Underrated film IMO.
    Clearly not for me
  • dfleadflea Member Posts: 7,233

    Today I learned California was a thing when the electoral college was invented.

    Like AZ said - too fucking stupid to argue with.

    Fucking idiot should be fed to the hogs.
  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 35,415 Founders Club
    dflea said:

    Today I learned California was a thing when the electoral college was invented.

    Like AZ said - too fucking stupid to argue with.

    Fucking idiot should be fed to the hogs.
    They still do that? Thought that was just A Deadwood thing?
  • Pitchfork51Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 26,949
    edited November 2017

    dflea said:

    Today I learned California was a thing when the electoral college was invented.

    Like AZ said - too fucking stupid to argue with.

    Fucking idiot should be fed to the hogs.
    They still do that? Thought that was just A Deadwood thing?
    image
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