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  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,855
    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    RoadDawg55 said:

    Boobs, what stat is that? Efficiency? And I don't care what the stats say, Tui was way better than Price. Do you really think we wouldn't have more wins with Tui instead of Price?

    It's passing efficiency nationally by year. It's not a perfect stat, but it's by far the best single metric you can use to compare quarterbacks.

    Here are some more numbers for those two side by side:
    YPA: Price 7.4, Tui 7.2 - EVEN
    TD/INT: Price 70/28 (in 1,094 passes), Tui 31/28 (in 761 passes) - HUGE edge for PRICE
    Rushing: Price is a career zero, Tui was worth about 400 yards per year. - SMALL edge for TUI

    If you switched Tui and Price, I think UW could still have won the 2001 Rose Bowl with Price and I know Sark goes 7-6 with Tui every year. Price is underrated because he plays for a shitty coach with a mediocre defense and bad special teams.

    If you like Tui over Price, you're a fan of the stupid "signature wins" argument. Quarterbacks are important in college, by they can't lead teams to Rose Bowls by themselves. Just ask yourself what would have happened if Price and Mariota switched jerseys a few weeks ago.
    Tui > Price

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  • AtomicDawg
    AtomicDawg Member Posts: 7,358
    Tui's team typically did not throw the ball inside the 20 much and almost never inside the 10. Criticize the INT's but his total TD passes was lower for this compared to most other qb's.
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  • TierbsHsotBoobs
    TierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    RoadDawg55 said:

    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    dhdawg said:

    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    Washington hasn't had a great quarterback in at least 25 years.

    I'd argue Tui but other than that there's nothing
    Tui was only an average passer nationally. He gets a ton of credit for signature wins.
    His passing stats were pedestrian, but he also had pretty bad WR's. He also was a threat on the ground, and had a 300, 200 game. Add that to his intangibles. Tui raised the play of the players around him, and it may be cliché, but he's about the best leader this program has ever had. I know there are some debates about his comeback wins because he did have some games where he sucked for three quarters, but would lead a dramatic comeback, but you have to at least give him some credit for being clutch. Great players raise their games when it counts the most, and Tui did that.

    We all loved the 300/200 game. That game also accounted for 15% of his entire career rushing yards. He only rushed for 1,374 yards in his career at 4.0 YPC. It's a nice boost to his resume, but it doesn't outweigh the vast passing gulf between Price and Tui IMO.

    Tui's intangibles were great. I just can't measure them. Following your line of reasoning, Tim Tebow was a great quarterback with the Broncos.
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  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User] Posts: 11,453
    I'd take Tui over Price but there is some serious revisionist history on Tui.

    He had a lot of comebacks because he shit the bed first three quarters.

    He was a gambler. He'd made spectacular plays but also make terrible turnovers at the worst time(Miami and Rose Bowl).

    Tui is awesome but I feel like the younger crowd who only saw his highlights tend to overrate him a tad.

    Him and Hobert IMO best 2 QB's last 30 years followed by Price.
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  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,413 Standard Supporter
    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    RoadDawg55 said:

    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    dhdawg said:

    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    Washington hasn't had a great quarterback in at least 25 years.

    I'd argue Tui but other than that there's nothing
    Tui was only an average passer nationally. He gets a ton of credit for signature wins.
    His passing stats were pedestrian, but he also had pretty bad WR's. He also was a threat on the ground, and had a 300, 200 game. Add that to his intangibles. Tui raised the play of the players around him, and it may be cliché, but he's about the best leader this program has ever had. I know there are some debates about his comeback wins because he did have some games where he sucked for three quarters, but would lead a dramatic comeback, but you have to at least give him some credit for being clutch. Great players raise their games when it counts the most, and Tui did that.

    We all loved the 300/200 game. That game also accounted for 15% of his entire career rushing yards. He only rushed for 1,374 yards in his career at 4.0 YPC. It's a nice boost to his resume, but it doesn't outweigh the vast passing gulf between Price and Tui IMO.

    Tui's intangibles were great. I just can't measure them. Following your line of reasoning, Tim Tebow was a great quarterback with the Broncos.
    1,374 to 19 yards (Price's total) is a pretty big discrepancy. Using Tim Tebow to try and boost your FS argument that Price is better than Tui is some serious bench pressing.

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  • TierbsHsotBoobs
    TierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    RoadDawg55 said:

    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    RoadDawg55 said:

    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    dhdawg said:

    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    Washington hasn't had a great quarterback in at least 25 years.

    I'd argue Tui but other than that there's nothing
    Tui was only an average passer nationally. He gets a ton of credit for signature wins.
    His passing stats were pedestrian, but he also had pretty bad WR's. He also was a threat on the ground, and had a 300, 200 game. Add that to his intangibles. Tui raised the play of the players around him, and it may be cliché, but he's about the best leader this program has ever had. I know there are some debates about his comeback wins because he did have some games where he sucked for three quarters, but would lead a dramatic comeback, but you have to at least give him some credit for being clutch. Great players raise their games when it counts the most, and Tui did that.

    We all loved the 300/200 game. That game also accounted for 15% of his entire career rushing yards. He only rushed for 1,374 yards in his career at 4.0 YPC. It's a nice boost to his resume, but it doesn't outweigh the vast passing gulf between Price and Tui IMO.

    Tui's intangibles were great. I just can't measure them. Following your line of reasoning, Tim Tebow was a great quarterback with the Broncos.
    1,374 to 19 yards (Price's total) is a pretty big discrepancy. Using Tim Tebow to try and boost your FS argument that Price is better than Tui is some serious bench pressing.

    Add that to his intangibles. Tui raised the play of the players around him, and it may be cliché, but he's about the best leader this program has ever had. I know there are some debates about his comeback wins because he did have some games where he sucked for three quarters, but would lead a dramatic comeback, but you have to at least give him some credit for being clutch. Great players raise their games when it counts the most, and Tui did that.

    Replace Tui with Tebow and you've just described the 2011 Broncos. Tebow raised the play of the players around him (especially the defense). He was an awesome leader on that team and he led a lot of comeback wins after sucking for three quarters.

    You're the one making the Tebow argument for Tui here, not me.
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  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User] Posts: 11,453
    No offense Road Dawg but you were what? 12 years old during Tui's senior year?

    Tui had a lot of comebacks because he would suck first three quarters. Remember most of these great comebacks were against teams UW should have been killing.

    Again I'd take Tui over Price but it's closer than you think.
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  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,413 Standard Supporter
    edited October 2013
    He_Needs_More_Time said:

    No offense Road Dawg but you were what? 12 years old during Tui's senior year?

    Tui had a lot of comebacks because he would suck first three quarters. Remember most of these great comebacks were against teams UW should have been killing.

    Again I'd take Tui over Price but it's closer than you think.

    Close, I was 13. Price vs Brock Huard or Price vs Pickett is a good argument. Price vs. Tui was not. Tui led a team with 8,9 win talent to 11-1.

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  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User] Posts: 11,453
    That 11-1 team was pick unanimously to win the conference though.

    You are underestimating the talent
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  • TierbsHsotBoobs
    TierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    RoadDawg55 said:

    He_Needs_More_Time said:

    No offense Road Dawg but you were what? 12 years old during Tui's senior year?

    Tui had a lot of comebacks because he would suck first three quarters. Remember most of these great comebacks were against teams UW should have been killing.

    Again I'd take Tui over Price but it's closer than you think.

    Close, I was 13. Price vs Brock Huard or Price vs Pickett is a good argument. Price vs. Tui was not. Tui led a team with 8,9 win talent to 11-1.

    Washington was 14th in the country in rushing offense in 2000 and 78th in the country in passing offense.

    http://www.adjustedstats.com/ratings-stats/cfbteams.php?year=2000&team=Washington

    Tui was third on the team with 394 rushing yards at 3.1 yards per carry (no idea how much negative sack yardage he took).

    But by all means give the credit to the quarterback for the overachievement.
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