FDR's oil embargo on Japan, "mistakenly" enacted by Acheson while FDR was meeting with Churchill to discuss the Atlantic Charter, was meant to protect the USSR from Japan. The possibility that they would strike south (and against US forces in the Philippines) was a calculated risk, but at the very least they could not strike north like they had in 1939. FDR knew we* needed the USSR to do the heavy lifting on the continent, so they had to survive. That the Japanese attacked us* wasn't necessarily a surprise, but that they attacked Pearl Harbor was definitely a surprise.
FDR's oil embargo on Japan, "mistakenly" enacted by Acheson while FDR was meeting with Churchill to discuss the Atlantic Charter, was meant to protect the USSR from Japan. The possibility that they would strike south (and against US forces in the Philippines) was a calculated risk, but at the very least they could not strike north like they had in 1939. FDR knew we* needed the USSR to do the heavy lifting on the continent, so they had to survive. That the Japanese attacked us* wasn't necessarily a surprise, but that they found Pearl Harbor was definitely a surprise.
Historians now think that the Brits did not send an escort for the Lusitania in the hopes that the Krauts would sink it and piss us? off so we would enter the Great War.
FDR let Pearl Harbor happen.
The Gulf of Tonkin did not happen, but LBJ wanted war.
Bush Knew!
Obama played golf
So, given all that, would you rather your President golfed or faked attacks so we go to war?
Brit's plan certainly failed though; took us another 2 years to declare war on the krauts and another 1 after that before we had enough boots on the ground to alter the outcome. The world likely would be a different place had we come in earlier in 1915.
how so?
US coming in on allied side in 1915 would have been more than Central Powers could have handled. War ends in 1916 probably with a negotiated peace settlement. Germany has to make some concessions, but nothing like the humiliation at Versailles, so no Hitler. Russia is part of victorious allied coalition and therefore no Bolshevik Revolution.
But how was Woodrow Wilson a bad President?
His first act was to make the Civil Service jobs in DC whites only. And he was in the progressive party.
FDR's oil embargo on Japan, "mistakenly" enacted by Acheson while FDR was meeting with Churchill to discuss the Atlantic Charter, was meant to protect the USSR from Japan. The possibility that they would strike south (and against US forces in the Philippines) was a calculated risk, but at the very least they could not strike north like they had in 1939. FDR knew we* needed the USSR to do the heavy lifting on the continent, so they had to survive. That the Japanese attacked us* wasn't necessarily a surprise, but that they attacked Pearl Harbor was definitely a surprise.
Good thing the Soviets hammered the Japanese in eastern Siberia in 1939.
FDR's oil embargo on Japan, "mistakenly" enacted by Acheson while FDR was meeting with Churchill to discuss the Atlantic Charter, was meant to protect the USSR from Japan. The possibility that they would strike south (and against US forces in the Philippines) was a calculated risk, but at the very least they could not strike north like they had in 1939. FDR knew we* needed the USSR to do the heavy lifting on the continent, so they had to survive. That the Japanese attacked us* wasn't necessarily a surprise, but that they attacked Pearl Harbor was definitely a surprise.
Good thing the Soviets hammered the Japanese in eastern Siberia in 1939.
Yeah, at a time when they weren't getting their shit pushed in by the Wehrmacht
FDR's oil embargo on Japan, "mistakenly" enacted by Acheson while FDR was meeting with Churchill to discuss the Atlantic Charter, was meant to protect the USSR from Japan. The possibility that they would strike south (and against US forces in the Philippines) was a calculated risk, but at the very least they could not strike north like they had in 1939. FDR knew we* needed the USSR to do the heavy lifting on the continent, so they had to survive. That the Japanese attacked us* wasn't necessarily a surprise, but that they attacked Pearl Harbor was definitely a surprise.
Good thing the Soviets hammered the Japanese in eastern Siberia in 1939.
Yeah, at a time when they weren't getting their shit pushed in by the Wehrmacht
People forget that when America was dragging its heels getting into Western Europe, the Soviets were dragging their heels getting into the fight against the Japanese in Asia. People forget this.
FDR's oil embargo on Japan, "mistakenly" enacted by Acheson while FDR was meeting with Churchill to discuss the Atlantic Charter, was meant to protect the USSR from Japan. The possibility that they would strike south (and against US forces in the Philippines) was a calculated risk, but at the very least they could not strike north like they had in 1939. FDR knew we* needed the USSR to do the heavy lifting on the continent, so they had to survive. That the Japanese attacked us* wasn't necessarily a surprise, but that they attacked Pearl Harbor was definitely a surprise.
Good thing the Soviets hammered the Japanese in eastern Siberia in 1939.
Yeah, at a time when they weren't getting their shit pushed in by the Wehrmacht
People forget that when America was dragging its heels getting into Western Europe, the Soviets were dragging their heels getting into the fight against the Japanese in Asia. People forget this.
People also forget the Japanese kicked their chinebriated asses in 1905 too.
FDR's oil embargo on Japan, "mistakenly" enacted by Acheson while FDR was meeting with Churchill to discuss the Atlantic Charter, was meant to protect the USSR from Japan. The possibility that they would strike south (and against US forces in the Philippines) was a calculated risk, but at the very least they could not strike north like they had in 1939. FDR knew we* needed the USSR to do the heavy lifting on the continent, so they had to survive. That the Japanese attacked us* wasn't necessarily a surprise, but that they found Pearl Harbor was definitely a surprise.
Also important to note how shallow Pearl Harbor is. Conventional wisdom at the time was that torpedoes dropped from airplanes at such shallow depths wouldn't work, but we all know now how sneaky the Japanese were, and they figured out a solution.
Since I first joined this shithole last Oct. I've been pleased to see how many well read history nerds we have here. Good chit.
FDR's oil embargo on Japan, "mistakenly" enacted by Acheson while FDR was meeting with Churchill to discuss the Atlantic Charter, was meant to protect the USSR from Japan. The possibility that they would strike south (and against US forces in the Philippines) was a calculated risk, but at the very least they could not strike north like they had in 1939. FDR knew we* needed the USSR to do the heavy lifting on the continent, so they had to survive. That the Japanese attacked us* wasn't necessarily a surprise, but that they found Pearl Harbor was definitely a surprise.
Also important to note how shallow Pearl Harbor is. Conventional wisdom at the time was that torpedoes dropped from airplanes at such shallow depths wouldn't work, but we all know now how sneaky the Japanese were, and they figured out a solution.
Since I first joined this shithole last Oct. I've been pleased to see how many well read history nerds we have here. Good chit.
One thing I learned from the Sopranos is that sociopaths love the History Channel
FDR's oil embargo on Japan, "mistakenly" enacted by Acheson while FDR was meeting with Churchill to discuss the Atlantic Charter, was meant to protect the USSR from Japan. The possibility that they would strike south (and against US forces in the Philippines) was a calculated risk, but at the very least they could not strike north like they had in 1939. FDR knew we* needed the USSR to do the heavy lifting on the continent, so they had to survive. That the Japanese attacked us* wasn't necessarily a surprise, but that they found Pearl Harbor was definitely a surprise.
FDR's oil embargo on Japan, "mistakenly" enacted by Acheson while FDR was meeting with Churchill to discuss the Atlantic Charter, was meant to protect the USSR from Japan. The possibility that they would strike south (and against US forces in the Philippines) was a calculated risk, but at the very least they could not strike north like they had in 1939. FDR knew we* needed the USSR to do the heavy lifting on the continent, so they had to survive. That the Japanese attacked us* wasn't necessarily a surprise, but that they found Pearl Harbor was definitely a surprise.
FDR's oil embargo on Japan, "mistakenly" enacted by Acheson while FDR was meeting with Churchill to discuss the Atlantic Charter, was meant to protect the USSR from Japan. The possibility that they would strike south (and against US forces in the Philippines) was a calculated risk, but at the very least they could not strike north like they had in 1939. FDR knew we* needed the USSR to do the heavy lifting on the continent, so they had to survive. That the Japanese attacked us* wasn't necessarily a surprise, but that they found Pearl Harbor was definitely a surprise.
I worked with FDR once...
Wednesday was the anniversary of his death in 1945. Back in the day when weSCare was fun to visit there was this one JapAm poaster, troyboyLA I think, who absolutely despised FDR solely on the basis of EO9066, conveniently forgetting everything else the guy did in his 12+ years as President. Every April 12 I'd remind him of FDR's death, ask him if he had any celebrations planned, and we'd get into it all over again. Good times
FDR's oil embargo on Japan, "mistakenly" enacted by Acheson while FDR was meeting with Churchill to discuss the Atlantic Charter, was meant to protect the USSR from Japan. The possibility that they would strike south (and against US forces in the Philippines) was a calculated risk, but at the very least they could not strike north like they had in 1939. FDR knew we* needed the USSR to do the heavy lifting on the continent, so they had to survive. That the Japanese attacked us* wasn't necessarily a surprise, but that they found Pearl Harbor was definitely a surprise.
I worked with FDR once...
Wednesday was the anniversary of his death in 1945. Back in the day when weSCare was fun to visit there was this one JapAm poaster, troyboyLA I think, who absolutely despised FDR solely on the basis of EO9066, conveniently forgetting everything else the guy did in his 12+ years as President. Every April 12 I'd remind him of FDR's death, ask him if he had any celebrations planned, and we'd get into it all over again. Good times
@BearsWiin speaking of 20th century US History, who would you say is the most famous of all Cal Rowing Alumni?
FDR's oil embargo on Japan, "mistakenly" enacted by Acheson while FDR was meeting with Churchill to discuss the Atlantic Charter, was meant to protect the USSR from Japan. The possibility that they would strike south (and against US forces in the Philippines) was a calculated risk, but at the very least they could not strike north like they had in 1939. FDR knew we* needed the USSR to do the heavy lifting on the continent, so they had to survive. That the Japanese attacked us* wasn't necessarily a surprise, but that they found Pearl Harbor was definitely a surprise.
I worked with FDR once...
Wednesday was the anniversary of his death in 1945. Back in the day when weSCare was fun to visit there was this one JapAm poaster, troyboyLA I think, who absolutely despised FDR solely on the basis of EO9066, conveniently forgetting everything else the guy did in his 12+ years as President. Every April 12 I'd remind him of FDR's death, ask him if he had any celebrations planned, and we'd get into it all over again. Good times
Was on a work trip after college once in GA and went and saw the Little White House in Warm Spring where he passed away in April '45.
FDR's oil embargo on Japan, "mistakenly" enacted by Acheson while FDR was meeting with Churchill to discuss the Atlantic Charter, was meant to protect the USSR from Japan. The possibility that they would strike south (and against US forces in the Philippines) was a calculated risk, but at the very least they could not strike north like they had in 1939. FDR knew we* needed the USSR to do the heavy lifting on the continent, so they had to survive. That the Japanese attacked us* wasn't necessarily a surprise, but that they found Pearl Harbor was definitely a surprise.
I worked with FDR once...
Was he anything special?
You know, in DC he's probably a 6. He didn't stand. Out.
FDR's oil embargo on Japan, "mistakenly" enacted by Acheson while FDR was meeting with Churchill to discuss the Atlantic Charter, was meant to protect the USSR from Japan. The possibility that they would strike south (and against US forces in the Philippines) was a calculated risk, but at the very least they could not strike north like they had in 1939. FDR knew we* needed the USSR to do the heavy lifting on the continent, so they had to survive. That the Japanese attacked us* wasn't necessarily a surprise, but that they found Pearl Harbor was definitely a surprise.
I worked with FDR once...
Was he anything special?
You know, in DC he's probably a 6. He didn't stand. Out.
FDR's oil embargo on Japan, "mistakenly" enacted by Acheson while FDR was meeting with Churchill to discuss the Atlantic Charter, was meant to protect the USSR from Japan. The possibility that they would strike south (and against US forces in the Philippines) was a calculated risk, but at the very least they could not strike north like they had in 1939. FDR knew we* needed the USSR to do the heavy lifting on the continent, so they had to survive. That the Japanese attacked us* wasn't necessarily a surprise, but that they found Pearl Harbor was definitely a surprise.
I worked with FDR once...
Wednesday was the anniversary of his death in 1945. Back in the day when weSCare was fun to visit there was this one JapAm poaster, troyboyLA I think, who absolutely despised FDR solely on the basis of EO9066, conveniently forgetting everything else the guy did in his 12+ years as President. Every April 12 I'd remind him of FDR's death, ask him if he had any celebrations planned, and we'd get into it all over again. Good times
FDR's oil embargo on Japan, "mistakenly" enacted by Acheson while FDR was meeting with Churchill to discuss the Atlantic Charter, was meant to protect the USSR from Japan. The possibility that they would strike south (and against US forces in the Philippines) was a calculated risk, but at the very least they could not strike north like they had in 1939. FDR knew we* needed the USSR to do the heavy lifting on the continent, so they had to survive. That the Japanese attacked us* wasn't necessarily a surprise, but that they found Pearl Harbor was definitely a surprise.
I worked with FDR once...
Wednesday was the anniversary of his death in 1945. Back in the day when weSCare was fun to visit there was this one JapAm poaster, troyboyLA I think, who absolutely despised FDR solely on the basis of EO9066, conveniently forgetting everything else the guy did in his 12+ years as President. Every April 12 I'd remind him of FDR's death, ask him if he had any celebrations planned, and we'd get into it all over again. Good times
@BearsWiin speaking of 20th century US History, who would you say is the most famous of all Cal Rowing Alumni?
You're probably expecting me to say Bob McNamara, but I gotta go with Gregory Peck
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Since I first joined this shithole last Oct. I've been pleased to see how many well read history nerds we have here. Good chit.