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Tuesday night football was great tonight. Kind of surprised the Lions won 19-9.
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BumpTequilla said:
I think it's a bit premature to say that Felix is done and it is early in the year ... but there is reason for concern ...RoadDawg55 said:The season depends on the starting rotation. I'm buying Paxton. He just needs to stay healthy. I think Felix is about done. If he can even pitch to last year's level for a full season, it's a win.
If they can get to July in contention, a deal has to be made for a starter. They won't survive as is, especially considering the bullpen is mostly subpar.
So far this year his batting average against is .330 ... even last year his batting average against was .239 (that's inline with his career average of .240) ... his issue last year was his BB rate of almost 4 BBs per 9 innings. You could look at a higher HR rate against last year and so far this year 5 in 24.2 IP as an issue. But then again, he's at a 20:1 K:BB rate this year ... so the control is better and he's still getting K's at a decent clip (although slightly lower than his career average).
He's probably more properly slotted as a #2 starter at this point in his career ... but still capable of delivering a #1 performance. I think he's in the process of trying to reinvent himself ... he's too good to not eventually transition into the next phase of his career. Right now he's getting too much of the plate and throwing too many strikes. I'm sure he'll continue to make an adjustment(s).
As for Paxton, I agree that he's a buy in his performance. The first thing I look for in a pitcher is how easy their throwing motion is ... for Paxton he's throwing an easy 97 right now getting great action on his pitches as the ball is exploding on hitters without their ability to get any kind of comfortable swings on him. As much as everybody looks at speed and hard throwers to get outs ... at the core pitching is about making the batter uncomfortable and the inability to make confident swings/contact on the ball.
The flaw from DiPoto IMO was his inability to build out a strong bullpen ... a necessity in today's game. I don't have a ton of confidence in Kuma and Gallardo is a JAG at this point in his career. They desperately need Smyly to come back healthy as he's going to be desperately missed. -
Classic Teq.Tequilla said:
I think it's a bit premature to say that Felix is done and it is early in the year ... but there is reason for concern ...RoadDawg55 said:The season depends on the starting rotation. I'm buying Paxton. He just needs to stay healthy. I think Felix is about done. If he can even pitch to last year's level for a full season, it's a win.
If they can get to July in contention, a deal has to be made for a starter. They won't survive as is, especially considering the bullpen is mostly subpar.
So far this year his batting average against is .330 ... even last year his batting average against was .239 (that's inline with his career average of .240) ... his issue last year was his BB rate of almost 4 BBs per 9 innings. You could look at a higher HR rate against last year and so far this year 5 in 24.2 IP as an issue. But then again, he's at a 20:1 K:BB rate this year ... so the control is better and he's still getting K's at a decent clip (although slightly lower than his career average).
He's probably more properly slotted as a #2 starter at this point in his career ... but still capable of delivering a #1 performance. I think he's in the process of trying to reinvent himself ... he's too good to not eventually transition into the next phase of his career. Right now he's getting too much of the plate and throwing too many strikes. I'm sure he'll continue to make an adjustment(s).
As for Paxton, I agree that he's a buy in his performance. The first thing I look for in a pitcher is how easy their throwing motion is ... for Paxton he's throwing an easy 97 right now getting great action on his pitches as the ball is exploding on hitters without their ability to get any kind of comfortable swings on him. As much as everybody looks at speed and hard throwers to get outs ... at the core pitching is about making the batter uncomfortable and the inability to make confident swings/contact on the ball.
The flaw from DiPoto IMO was his inability to build out a strong bullpen ... a necessity in today's game. I don't have a ton of confidence in Kuma and Gallardo is a JAG at this point in his career. They desperately need Smyly to come back healthy as he's going to be desperately missed. -
I was wrong. Injuries have decimated the roster now.
They'll be 10 under by memorial day -
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I never dreamed we'd be at .500 and only one game back in the Wildcard race this late in the season.
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Tsio. The pitching is horrible.
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Right now it is yea. The bullpen can't be fixed. The rotation will be good in about 3 months but it will be too late then when they are 15 games under .500RoadDawg55 said:Tsio. The pitching is horrible.
I do like what Dipoto is doing though. Its nice having young players like Haniger and Gammel who are actually good instead of the fucking dreckfest that was Brad Miller, Justin Smoak, Michael Saunders, Nick Franklin etc.
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Agree with the 2nd paragraph. Haniger kept the team afloat when he was healthy and Gamel has been a huge surprise. The rotation is horrible though. Obviously injuries have decimated it, but it wasn't good to begin with and Paxton getting injured should not be a surprise.CuntWaffle said:
Right now it is yea. The bullpen can't be fixed. The rotation will be good in about 3 months but it will be too late then when they are 15 games under .500RoadDawg55 said:Tsio. The pitching is horrible.
I do like what Dipoto is doing though. Its nice having young players like Haniger and Gammel who are actually good instead of the fucking dreckfest that was Brad Miller, Justin Smoak, Michael Saunders, Nick Franklin etc. -
At full strength Felix lite, Paxton, Smyly, Iwakuma, and Gallardo is a very good rotation. Smyly was killing it before the injury, even bad Felix is still better than most, and Paxton has been pitching at a very consistent level... not just one of those random 2 game sprees he use to go on, he wants to get paid. So I disagree that the rotation was never good to begin with, it just hasn't been 100% healthy at any point of the season.RoadDawg55 said:
Agree with the 2nd paragraph. Haniger kept the team afloat when he was healthy and Gamel has been a huge surprise. The rotation is horrible though. Obviously injuries have decimated it, but it wasn't good to begin with and Paxton getting injured should not be a surprise.CuntWaffle said:
Right now it is yea. The bullpen can't be fixed. The rotation will be good in about 3 months but it will be too late then when they are 15 games under .500RoadDawg55 said:Tsio. The pitching is horrible.
I do like what Dipoto is doing though. Its nice having young players like Haniger and Gammel who are actually good instead of the fucking dreckfest that was Brad Miller, Justin Smoak, Michael Saunders, Nick Franklin etc. -
Kuma is done. Gallardo is done. Felix might be. Paxton is the shit and Smyly is solid. The rotation was the concern going into the year and for good reason. It's not a good rotation.CuntWaffle said:
At full strength Felix lite, Paxton, Smyly, Iwakuma, and Gallardo is a very good rotation. Smyly was killing it before the injury, even bad Felix is still better than most, and Paxton has been pitching at a very consistent level... not just one of those random 2 game sprees he use to go on, he wants to get paid. So I disagree that the rotation was never good to begin with, it just hasn't been 100% healthy at any point of the season.RoadDawg55 said:
Agree with the 2nd paragraph. Haniger kept the team afloat when he was healthy and Gamel has been a huge surprise. The rotation is horrible though. Obviously injuries have decimated it, but it wasn't good to begin with and Paxton getting injured should not be a surprise.CuntWaffle said:
Right now it is yea. The bullpen can't be fixed. The rotation will be good in about 3 months but it will be too late then when they are 15 games under .500RoadDawg55 said:Tsio. The pitching is horrible.
I do like what Dipoto is doing though. Its nice having young players like Haniger and Gammel who are actually good instead of the fucking dreckfest that was Brad Miller, Justin Smoak, Michael Saunders, Nick Franklin etc.
The offense is fanfuckingtastic though. -
Look at Paxton this year. 1.47 ERA through 6 games and he has looked way better than he ever has. Maybe he had his Henry Roengardner moment and this injury reset him to suck, but you can't deny he has been one of the better pitchers in the AL until he got hurt. Iwakuma has these weird 10/11 ER games but the rest he can keep teams from 2-4 very consistently which is what any team wants. Gollardo is a #5 pitcher and pitches like a #5 pitcher would. 4.58 ERA for a #5 isn't horrible.dnc said:
Kuma is done. Gallardo is done. Felix might be. Paxton is the shit and Smyly is solid. The rotation was the concern going into the year and for good reason. It's not a good rotation.CuntWaffle said:
At full strength Felix lite, Paxton, Smyly, Iwakuma, and Gallardo is a very good rotation. Smyly was killing it before the injury, even bad Felix is still better than most, and Paxton has been pitching at a very consistent level... not just one of those random 2 game sprees he use to go on, he wants to get paid. So I disagree that the rotation was never good to begin with, it just hasn't been 100% healthy at any point of the season.RoadDawg55 said:
Agree with the 2nd paragraph. Haniger kept the team afloat when he was healthy and Gamel has been a huge surprise. The rotation is horrible though. Obviously injuries have decimated it, but it wasn't good to begin with and Paxton getting injured should not be a surprise.CuntWaffle said:
Right now it is yea. The bullpen can't be fixed. The rotation will be good in about 3 months but it will be too late then when they are 15 games under .500RoadDawg55 said:Tsio. The pitching is horrible.
I do like what Dipoto is doing though. Its nice having young players like Haniger and Gammel who are actually good instead of the fucking dreckfest that was Brad Miller, Justin Smoak, Michael Saunders, Nick Franklin etc.
The offense is fanfuckingtastic though. -
Yankees in 1st
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Paxton is the shit like I said.CuntWaffle said:
Look at Paxton this year. 1.47 ERA through 6 games and he has looked way better than he ever has. Maybe he had his Henry Roengardner moment and this injury reset him to suck, but you can't deny he has been one of the better pitchers in the AL until he got hurt. Iwakuma has these weird 10/11 ER games but the rest he can keep teams from 2-4 very consistently which is what any team wants. Gollardo is a #5 pitcher and pitches like a #5 pitcher would. 4.58 ERA for a #5 isn't horrible.dnc said:
Kuma is done. Gallardo is done. Felix might be. Paxton is the shit and Smyly is solid. The rotation was the concern going into the year and for good reason. It's not a good rotation.CuntWaffle said:
At full strength Felix lite, Paxton, Smyly, Iwakuma, and Gallardo is a very good rotation. Smyly was killing it before the injury, even bad Felix is still better than most, and Paxton has been pitching at a very consistent level... not just one of those random 2 game sprees he use to go on, he wants to get paid. So I disagree that the rotation was never good to begin with, it just hasn't been 100% healthy at any point of the season.RoadDawg55 said:
Agree with the 2nd paragraph. Haniger kept the team afloat when he was healthy and Gamel has been a huge surprise. The rotation is horrible though. Obviously injuries have decimated it, but it wasn't good to begin with and Paxton getting injured should not be a surprise.CuntWaffle said:
Right now it is yea. The bullpen can't be fixed. The rotation will be good in about 3 months but it will be too late then when they are 15 games under .500RoadDawg55 said:Tsio. The pitching is horrible.
I do like what Dipoto is doing though. Its nice having young players like Haniger and Gammel who are actually good instead of the fucking dreckfest that was Brad Miller, Justin Smoak, Michael Saunders, Nick Franklin etc.
The offense is fanfuckingtastic though.
Kuma is bad.
Gallardo is shit.
It's not a good rotation.
Paxton - very good for a 1
Smyly - okay for a 2
Felix - okay for a 3
Kuma - bad for a 4
Gallardo - bad for a 5
That's a below average rotation if all healthy, and it's one where basically everyone is a health risk.
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And the crazy thing is I think the offense is good enough to overcome all that, IF they could get Paxton, Felix and Smyly healthy. That's unlikely though, so they'll probably miss the playoffs, again.
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We had this conversation already, but Felix might be just plain bad. He was okay for a 3 last year, but the end looked near.
Paxton is very good, but he has never stayed healthy. I doubt he will this year either. It would be a surprise if he made 30 starts. -
note to dnc: very good ones don't get hurt.
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We are right where we need to be to make that late season playoff push!
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I sincerely enjoy checking box scores and seeing the Mariners lose.
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Jeter had his number retired.
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Who?PurpleJ said:Jeter had his number retired.
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I've been AWOL. Boobs, How's your fantasy team fairing?
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Who the fuck are you?Baseman said:I've been AWOL. Boobs, How's your fantasy team fairing?
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Stolen from reddit
With Robinson Cano landing on the DL today, the Seattle Mariners now have $77,652,843 now on the DL.
Felix- $26,857,143
Cano- $24,000,000
Iwakuma- $14,000,000
Smyly- $6,850,000
Paxton- $2,350,000
Scribner- $907,500
O'Malley- $544,000
Haniger- $538,000
Simmons- $536,200
Marshall- $535,000
Weber- $535,000 -
Put your rally cap on fellas, the boys need our support
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Is it August yet?phineas said:Put your rally cap on fellas, the boys need our support
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You know. That guy who won a bunch of championships at that REAL franchise in New York.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Who?PurpleJ said:Jeter had his number retired.
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Every day the M's bring me a little joy.
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why is this thread still going? season ended when haniger and felix went down.
They'll have their classic 10 game worthless winning streak to prevent them from selling like they should and then finish with 80 wins or something mediocre like that -
you are likely right. But LIPO.RoadDawg55 said:We had this conversation already, but Felix might be just plain bad. He was okay for a 3 last year, but the end looked near.
Paxton is very good, but he has never stayed healthy. I doubt he will this year either. It would be a surprise if he made 30 starts.
pitching is incredibly fickle and small adjustments can make a huge difference. as can rest and better training.
Guys can lose it like that but can also find themselves again out of nowhere. Justin Verlander looked done and then came back to have a cy young type season last year. Iwakuma looked absolutely finished early last year and then had a tremendous second half. one thing that is clear is he will have to make adjustments. His curveball command is really bad, and fastball changeup no matter how good your changeup is, it doesn't play as a starter (see danny salazar).
Most likely he's done.
