Yeah, obviously brain for a QB matters. But there is no way for us to know a kids brain in regards to football intelligence. That's one where you have to #TrustTheCoaches.
I think this is probably true, but I would imagine there are some hints as far as to whether a kid is simply a one read guy, decision making, his leadership skills, etc.
FWIW it seems that Sirmon has some leadership in him. He seems to enjoy recruiting and the other recruits seem to like him. That's not all there is to being a leader (see Williams, Troy), but it suggests he has the type of personality that could lead if he uses it correctly.
Agree with all of this. I'm just saying as far as us basement lurkers evaluating a teen boy it's really hard to get a grasp on stuff. Even watching their games and shit we don't know what the correct progression is on their reads or any of that shit. We can make assumptions, and obviously a good example is Jake Browning just from everything we had heard about him.
In regards to Sirmon and his leadership, I fully agree that he has it in him. But he really needs to figure it out because the things I saw in games were very concerning (berating players, body language, etc.) and if I/we are seeing those things, there is no doubt Pete and staff see them too. Plus Pete through his process gets as much information as possible from people around these recruits.
Sirmon can be a total alpha dog and a great leader, but you can't be an asshole to your teammates and expect to be a leader, not in Petes system. I think once Lubick came in the coaches knew they could get in on Yankoff and they see him as an insurance policy with Sirmon and his question marks. Sirmon is without question one of the most talented QB's I've seen out of WA, but I think this puts him in a spot the coaches wanted to put him in.
We were going to have ZERO competition for Sirmon if we didn't take another QB this year. So basically the coaches have put themselves in a win-win situation with the following scenarios:
1) Sirmon stays committed, comes in and competes against DBG and Yankoff as a RS-Frosh to start. The winner of that competition will be fucking legit.
2) Sirmon decommits and the coaches are now aware that he likely didn't have the capacity to be a true leader of the team. Still have Yankoff in the fold.
In no way do I believe the coaches want to see Sirmon go, I just think they actually want to see if he's all about this or not.
Yeah, obviously brain for a QB matters. But there is no way for us to know a kids brain in regards to football intelligence. That's one where you have to #TrustTheCoaches.
I think this is probably true, but I would imagine there are some hints as far as to whether a kid is simply a one read guy, decision making, his leadership skills, etc.
FWIW it seems that Sirmon has some leadership in him. He seems to enjoy recruiting and the other recruits seem to like him. That's not all there is to being a leader (see Williams, Troy), but it suggests he has the type of personality that could lead if he uses it correctly.
Your last point here is spot on ...
This is why I don't think it's a slam dunk that Sirmon's going elsewhere ...
It's likely not a void between the ears and I agree that there have been some signs of good leadership examples coming from him ...
There's a lot of LIPO here in the next few months and years
Yeah, obviously brain for a QB matters. But there is no way for us to know a kids brain in regards to football intelligence. That's one where you have to #TrustTheCoaches.
I think this is probably true, but I would imagine there are some hints as far as to whether a kid is simply a one read guy, decision making, his leadership skills, etc.
FWIW it seems that Sirmon has some leadership in him. He seems to enjoy recruiting and the other recruits seem to like him. That's not all there is to being a leader (see Williams, Troy), but it suggests he has the type of personality that could lead if he uses it correctly.
Agree with all of this. I'm just saying as far as us basement lurkers evaluating a teen boy it's really hard to get a grasp on stuff. Even watching their games and shit we don't know what the correct progression is on their reads or any of that shit. We can make assumptions, and obviously a good example is Jake Browning just from everything we had heard about him.
In regards to Sirmon and his leadership, I fully agree that he has it in him. But he really needs to figure it out because the things I saw in games were very concerning (berating players, body language, etc.) and if I/we are seeing those things, there is no doubt Pete and staff see them too. Plus Pete through his process gets as much information as possible from people around these recruits.
Sirmon can be a total alpha dog and a great leader, but you can't be an asshole to your teammates and expect to be a leader. I think once Lubick came in the coaches knew they could get in on Yankoff and they see him as an insurance policy with Sirmon and his question marks. Sirmon is without question one of the most talented QB's I've seen out of WA, but I think this puts him in a spot the coaches wanted to put him in.
We were going to have ZERO competition for Sirmon if we didn't take another QB this year. So basically the coaches have put themselves in a win-win situation with the following scenarios:
1) Sirmon stays committed, comes in and competes against DBG and Yankoff as a RS-Frosh to start. The winner of that competition will be fucking legit.
2) Sirmon decommits and the coaches are now aware that he likely didn't have the capacity to be a true leader of the team. Still have Yankoff in the fold.
In no way do I believe the coaches want to see Sirmon go, I just think they actually want to see if he's all about this or not.
TL;DR FML
There is no way they want Sirmon to leave, but it's hard for me to believe they aren't more comfortable with Yankoff. This wouldn't be happening if they were completely sold on Sirmon. They wouldn't risk losing him.
Yankoff isn't an insurance policy. He has offers from all over the country and is simply a better QB at this point. Sirmon wouldn't put up big numbers against Camas and Folsom like Yankoff did.
Sirmon is a big strong armed kid. From what I've seen, Yankoff is a better fit for our offense. Dual threats are so important in college football.
To your point above #1.... If/When Sirmon leaves, we will have ZERO competition for Yankoff. It's the same situation except with Yankoff instead of Sirmon.
Yeah, obviously brain for a QB matters. But there is no way for us to know a kids brain in regards to football intelligence. That's one where you have to #TrustTheCoaches.
Sirmon has more physical talent ... but his intangibles need to get better to be a great QB ... that's part of being 17 and everybody matures differently ...
Almost all top programs he will go to will find him in a position where he will have to compete ... it is what it is.
There is room in this class for 2 QBs ... whether we will end up with 2 QBs is TBD
Uhh does Sirmon vert 39" inches and run a 4.67 40 yard dash? Sirmon's arm talent is a bit better though.
The most important physical characteristics for a QB are arm strength and height/weight.
Setting aside the relative importance of the mental side of things, I don't even think your physical requirements are right.
Plus arm strength definitely adds the wow factor for recruits that are above the minimal abilities in several other categories, but arm strength is NOT the most important physical attribute. And height/weight aren't second either.
Most of the most important physical abilities for a QB are really more learned and technique related, rather than innate. Footwork, throwing motion, release quickness...those are all physical manifestations of technique. If you want to boil it down to innate physical qualities, those would probably be good feet, general balance and all around athletic coordination. Those qualities allow a QB to take good drops, have strong footwork and to throw with proper mechanics. Basically those are the qualities that it takes to be an accurate passer in a game setting.
Innate arm strength would definitely be behind those. And if you factor in the mental aspects of the game, arm strength would be way, way down the list, followed by height.
I would argue that arm strength, as it is generally understood, is really only innate for a small segment of players. Certainly some guys just have a natural gift to be able to make the ball really jump off their hands, but players that aren't gifted that way can still learn to throw farther and with better velocity by improving their throwing mechanics.
You can have the tall guy who is a savant at throwing the ball, but has questionable accuracy because of his lead feet and lack of athleticism. I'll take the medium sized guy with great general athletic ability and less innate arm strength.
My guy, with proper coaching and development, will turn into a more than functional college QB, provided he has the mental acuity to process information quickly. Your guy will make a great javelin thrower.
Yeah, obviously brain for a QB matters. But there is no way for us to know a kids brain in regards to football intelligence. That's one where you have to #TrustTheCoaches.
I think this is probably true, but I would imagine there are some hints as far as to whether a kid is simply a one read guy, decision making, his leadership skills, etc.
FWIW it seems that Sirmon has some leadership in him. He seems to enjoy recruiting and the other recruits seem to like him. That's not all there is to being a leader (see Williams, Troy), but it suggests he has the type of personality that could lead if he uses it correctly.
Agree with all of this. I'm just saying as far as us basement lurkers evaluating a teen boy it's really hard to get a grasp on stuff. Even watching their games and shit we don't know what the correct progression is on their reads or any of that shit. We can make assumptions, and obviously a good example is Jake Browning just from everything we had heard about him.
In regards to Sirmon and his leadership, I fully agree that he has it in him. But he really needs to figure it out because the things I saw in games were very concerning (berating players, body language, etc.) and if I/we are seeing those things, there is no doubt Pete and staff see them too. Plus Pete through his process gets as much information as possible from people around these recruits.
Sirmon can be a total alpha dog and a great leader, but you can't be an asshole to your teammates and expect to be a leader. I think once Lubick came in the coaches knew they could get in on Yankoff and they see him as an insurance policy with Sirmon and his question marks. Sirmon is without question one of the most talented QB's I've seen out of WA, but I think this puts him in a spot the coaches wanted to put him in.
We were going to have ZERO competition for Sirmon if we didn't take another QB this year. So basically the coaches have put themselves in a win-win situation with the following scenarios:
1) Sirmon stays committed, comes in and competes against DBG and Yankoff as a RS-Frosh to start. The winner of that competition will be fucking legit.
2) Sirmon decommits and the coaches are now aware that he likely didn't have the capacity to be a true leader of the team. Still have Yankoff in the fold.
In no way do I believe the coaches want to see Sirmon go, I just think they actually want to see if he's all about this or not.
TL;DR FML
There is no way they want Sirmon to leave, but it's hard for me to believe they aren't more comfortable with Yankoff. This wouldn't be happening if they were completely sold on Sirmon. They wouldn't risk losing him.
Yankoff isn't an insurance policy. He has offers from all over the country and is simply a better QB at this point. Sirmon wouldn't put up big numbers against Camas and Folsom like Yankoff did.
To your point above #1.... If/When Sirmon leaves, we will have ZERO competition for Yankoff. It's the same situation except with Yankoff instead of Sirmon.
And Sirmon will decommit.
I agree that they are likely more comfortable with Yankoff, I just don't think it has to do with anything on the field. These are two of the best QB's on the west coast, he is likely a better QB right now, like you said, but the upside for Sirmon is sky high (and yes, I understand Yankoff has great upside too, I just personally believe Sirmons is higher).
And I understand it's the same spot if Sirmon leaves, but at least then the coaches knew what they were dealing with in Sirmon.
The reality is we basically fucked the pooch the last two years and that is why we are where we are.
I love Pete. Going for gold here and just cut throat as shit.
Me too. I also think Yankoff is going to be amazing.
Not sure if he has as good of an arm, but he reminds me of Darnold in the sense he's a passer that can run well. I really see a perfect fit for our offense.
I haven't even watched Sirmon's film and I'm happier with the new guy. His throwing mechanics are variable and generally flawed. I'm no qb expert but can see that. He does, however, seem to have a ton of natural strength and gets the ball anywhere he wants it with velocity. He has the kind of arm where, if he were a 15 year old pitcher, coaches would be drooling over what he could be with some work on mechanics. The kind where he's doing it wrong but still bringing scary heat and keeping it in or around the zone.
Its the mobility and overall strength I like. I'm tired of seeing teams that I hate win games simply because their qb is so big, strong and fast that even a good defense can't get them off the field when it counts. Screw pro style qbs. The big athletic ones win more at the college level these days.
Sirmon has more physical talent ... but his intangibles need to get better to be a great QB ... that's part of being 17 and everybody matures differently ...
Almost all top programs he will go to will find him in a position where he will have to compete ... it is what it is.
There is room in this class for 2 QBs ... whether we will end up with 2 QBs is TBD
Uhh does Sirmon vert 39" inches and run a 4.67 40 yard dash? Sirmon's arm talent is a bit better though.
The most important physical characteristics for a QB are arm strength and height/weight.
After that, the next set of most important skills for a QB are all in the mental intangible side of the game from reading defenses to leading a team.
If overall physical ability was so important for a QB Then Tom Brady wouldn't be Tom Brady
Those are backwards.
They are like 1A and 1B ... if you don't have minimum arm strength it doesn't matter how smart you are ...
AEB stone cold truth: if you're good enough, the League will find you. If Sirmon comes to UW and cumpetes with Yankoff, earns the starting job even if it's in his 5th year, he will be drafted high. If he's good enough, it won't matter if UW takes 2 QBs in his year. He'll be better for it.
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In regards to Sirmon and his leadership, I fully agree that he has it in him. But he really needs to figure it out because the things I saw in games were very concerning (berating players, body language, etc.) and if I/we are seeing those things, there is no doubt Pete and staff see them too. Plus Pete through his process gets as much information as possible from people around these recruits.
Sirmon can be a total alpha dog and a great leader, but you can't be an asshole to your teammates and expect to be a leader, not in Petes system. I think once Lubick came in the coaches knew they could get in on Yankoff and they see him as an insurance policy with Sirmon and his question marks. Sirmon is without question one of the most talented QB's I've seen out of WA, but I think this puts him in a spot the coaches wanted to put him in.
We were going to have ZERO competition for Sirmon if we didn't take another QB this year. So basically the coaches have put themselves in a win-win situation with the following scenarios:
1) Sirmon stays committed, comes in and competes against DBG and Yankoff as a RS-Frosh to start. The winner of that competition will be fucking legit.
2) Sirmon decommits and the coaches are now aware that he likely didn't have the capacity to be a true leader of the team. Still have Yankoff in the fold.
In no way do I believe the coaches want to see Sirmon go, I just think they actually want to see if he's all about this or not.
TL;DR FML
This is why I don't think it's a slam dunk that Sirmon's going elsewhere ...
It's likely not a void between the ears and I agree that there have been some signs of good leadership examples coming from him ...
There's a lot of LIPO here in the next few months and years
Yankoff isn't an insurance policy. He has offers from all over the country and is simply a better QB at this point. Sirmon wouldn't put up big numbers against Camas and Folsom like Yankoff did.
Sirmon is a big strong armed kid. From what I've seen, Yankoff is a better fit for our offense. Dual threats are so important in college football.
To your point above #1.... If/When Sirmon leaves, we will have ZERO competition for Yankoff. It's the same situation except with Yankoff instead of Sirmon.
And Sirmon will decommit.
Plus arm strength definitely adds the wow factor for recruits that are above the minimal abilities in several other categories, but arm strength is NOT the most important physical attribute. And height/weight aren't second either.
Most of the most important physical abilities for a QB are really more learned and technique related, rather than innate. Footwork, throwing motion, release quickness...those are all physical manifestations of technique. If you want to boil it down to innate physical qualities, those would probably be good feet, general balance and all around athletic coordination. Those qualities allow a QB to take good drops, have strong footwork and to throw with proper mechanics. Basically those are the qualities that it takes to be an accurate passer in a game setting.
Innate arm strength would definitely be behind those. And if you factor in the mental aspects of the game, arm strength would be way, way down the list, followed by height.
I would argue that arm strength, as it is generally understood, is really only innate for a small segment of players. Certainly some guys just have a natural gift to be able to make the ball really jump off their hands, but players that aren't gifted that way can still learn to throw farther and with better velocity by improving their throwing mechanics.
You can have the tall guy who is a savant at throwing the ball, but has questionable accuracy because of his lead feet and lack of athleticism. I'll take the medium sized guy with great general athletic ability and less innate arm strength.
My guy, with proper coaching and development, will turn into a more than functional college QB, provided he has the mental acuity to process information quickly. Your guy will make a great javelin thrower.
And I understand it's the same spot if Sirmon leaves, but at least then the coaches knew what they were dealing with in Sirmon.
The reality is we basically fucked the pooch the last two years and that is why we are where we are.
The coaches are making a run at QB abundance right now and hoping it works. If not, so be it.
I love Pete. Going for gold here and just cut throat as shit.
Not sure if he has as good of an arm, but he reminds me of Darnold in the sense he's a passer that can run well. I really see a perfect fit for our offense.
Some are trying to make way too much out of things here
He's probably pulling a Pete, cutting throats out in Maltby...
Its the mobility and overall strength I like. I'm tired of seeing teams that I hate win games simply because their qb is so big, strong and fast that even a good defense can't get them off the field when it counts. Screw pro style qbs. The big athletic ones win more at the college level these days.
But when people try to get into "gotcha" mode the try hard gets a little ridiculous at times
But if you have a QB that can get himself out of trouble and extend a drive with his legs that's a massive bonus.
Anything that provides more options is a good thing ... if used right.
And I like beetles.
AEB stone cold truth: if you're good enough, the League will find you. If Sirmon comes to UW and cumpetes with Yankoff, earns the starting job even if it's in his 5th year, he will be drafted high. If he's good enough, it won't matter if UW takes 2 QBs in his year. He'll be better for it.
Sweatpants boner engaged, two five star qb commits.