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Colson Yankoff, 2018 QB, Coeur d' Alene, ID (COMMITTED)

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  • animate
    animate Member Posts: 4,245
    "not right now"?

    If he said "fuck no! I'm the man up in this bitch! i'm staying! ...."

    that would be different.
  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098
    Sirmon has more physical talent ... but his intangibles need to get better to be a great QB ... that's part of being 17 and everybody matures differently ...

    Almost all top programs he will go to will find him in a position where he will have to compete ... it is what it is.

    There is room in this class for 2 QBs ... whether we will end up with 2 QBs is TBD
  • backthepack
    backthepack Member Posts: 19,937
    edited March 2017
    Tequilla said:

    Sirmon has more physical talent ... but his intangibles need to get better to be a great QB ... that's part of being 17 and everybody matures differently ...

    Almost all top programs he will go to will find him in a position where he will have to compete ... it is what it is.

    There is room in this class for 2 QBs ... whether we will end up with 2 QBs is TBD

    Uhh does Sirmon vert 39" inches and run a 4.67 40 yard dash? Sirmon's arm talent is a bit better though.
  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839
    edited March 2017

    Tequilla said:

    Sirmon has more physical talent ... but his intangibles need to get better to be a great QB ... that's part of being 17 and everybody matures differently ...

    Almost all top programs he will go to will find him in a position where he will have to compete ... it is what it is.

    There is room in this class for 2 QBs ... whether we will end up with 2 QBs is TBD

    Uhh does Sirmon vert 39" inches and run a 4.67 40 yard dash? Sirmon's arm talent is a bit better though.
    I saw Yankoff's 40 time was like 4.78.

    Arm talent is the best kind of physical talent for a QB. Yankoff is a better athlete though, no question.
  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098

    Tequilla said:

    Sirmon has more physical talent ... but his intangibles need to get better to be a great QB ... that's part of being 17 and everybody matures differently ...

    Almost all top programs he will go to will find him in a position where he will have to compete ... it is what it is.

    There is room in this class for 2 QBs ... whether we will end up with 2 QBs is TBD

    Uhh does Sirmon vert 39" inches and run a 4.67 40 yard dash? Sirmon's arm talent is a bit better though.
    The most important physical characteristics for a QB are arm strength and height/weight.

    After that, the next set of most important skills for a QB are all in the mental intangible side of the game from reading defenses to leading a team.

    If overall physical ability was so important for a QB Then Tom Brady wouldn't be Tom Brady
  • backthepack
    backthepack Member Posts: 19,937
    Tequilla said:

    Tequilla said:

    Sirmon has more physical talent ... but his intangibles need to get better to be a great QB ... that's part of being 17 and everybody matures differently ...

    Almost all top programs he will go to will find him in a position where he will have to compete ... it is what it is.

    There is room in this class for 2 QBs ... whether we will end up with 2 QBs is TBD

    Uhh does Sirmon vert 39" inches and run a 4.67 40 yard dash? Sirmon's arm talent is a bit better though.
    The most important physical characteristics for a QB are arm strength and height/weight.

    After that, the next set of most important skills for a QB are all in the mental intangible side of the game from reading defenses to leading a team.

    If overall physical ability was so important for a QB Then Tom Brady wouldn't be Tom Brady
    Height? Drew Brees and Russell Wilson say hi!
  • Intersectional_Dawg
    Intersectional_Dawg Member Posts: 524
    Tequilla said:

    Sirmon has more physical talent ... but his intangibles need to get better to be a great QB ... that's part of being 17 and everybody matures differently ...

    Almost all top programs he will go to will find him in a position where he will have to compete ... it is what it is.

    There is room in this class for 2 QBs ... whether we will end up with 2 QBs is TBD

    Typical non answer from the Froog.
  • priapism
    priapism Member Posts: 2,301
    Faith. Family. Football.




    Beat. For. Pete.




    The new slogans really are working.
  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098
    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    Tequilla said:

    Sirmon has more physical talent ... but his intangibles need to get better to be a great QB ... that's part of being 17 and everybody matures differently ...

    Almost all top programs he will go to will find him in a position where he will have to compete ... it is what it is.

    There is room in this class for 2 QBs ... whether we will end up with 2 QBs is TBD

    Uhh does Sirmon vert 39" inches and run a 4.67 40 yard dash? Sirmon's arm talent is a bit better though.
    The most important physical characteristics for a QB are arm strength and height/weight.

    After that, the next set of most important skills for a QB are all in the mental intangible side of the game from reading defenses to leading a team.


    If overall physical ability was so important for a QB Then Tom Brady wouldn't be Tom Brady
    Those are backwards.
    They are like 1A and 1B ... if you don't have minimum arm strength it doesn't matter how smart you are ...
  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839
    Tequilla said:

    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    Tequilla said:

    Sirmon has more physical talent ... but his intangibles need to get better to be a great QB ... that's part of being 17 and everybody matures differently ...

    Almost all top programs he will go to will find him in a position where he will have to compete ... it is what it is.

    There is room in this class for 2 QBs ... whether we will end up with 2 QBs is TBD

    Uhh does Sirmon vert 39" inches and run a 4.67 40 yard dash? Sirmon's arm talent is a bit better though.
    The most important physical characteristics for a QB are arm strength and height/weight.

    After that, the next set of most important skills for a QB are all in the mental intangible side of the game from reading defenses to leading a team.


    If overall physical ability was so important for a QB Then Tom Brady wouldn't be Tom Brady
    Those are backwards.
    They are like 1A and 1B ... if you don't have minimum arm strength it doesn't matter how smart you are ...
    And if you don't have minimum smarts it doesn't matter how hard you can throw
  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098
    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    Tequilla said:

    Sirmon has more physical talent ... but his intangibles need to get better to be a great QB ... that's part of being 17 and everybody matures differently ...

    Almost all top programs he will go to will find him in a position where he will have to compete ... it is what it is.

    There is room in this class for 2 QBs ... whether we will end up with 2 QBs is TBD

    Uhh does Sirmon vert 39" inches and run a 4.67 40 yard dash? Sirmon's arm talent is a bit better though.
    The most important physical characteristics for a QB are arm strength and height/weight.

    After that, the next set of most important skills for a QB are all in the mental intangible side of the game from reading defenses to leading a team.


    If overall physical ability was so important for a QB Then Tom Brady wouldn't be Tom Brady
    Those are backwards.
    They are like 1A and 1B ... if you don't have minimum arm strength it doesn't matter how smart you are ...
    And if you don't have minimum smarts it doesn't matter how hard you can throw
    What about 1A and 1B do you not understand?

  • CokeGreaterThanPepsi
    CokeGreaterThanPepsi Member Posts: 7,646
    Yeah, obviously brain for a QB matters. But there is no way for us to know a kids brain in regards to football intelligence. That's one where you have to #TrustTheCoaches.
  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098
    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    Tequilla said:

    Sirmon has more physical talent ... but his intangibles need to get better to be a great QB ... that's part of being 17 and everybody matures differently ...

    Almost all top programs he will go to will find him in a position where he will have to compete ... it is what it is.

    There is room in this class for 2 QBs ... whether we will end up with 2 QBs is TBD

    Uhh does Sirmon vert 39" inches and run a 4.67 40 yard dash? Sirmon's arm talent is a bit better though.
    The most important physical characteristics for a QB are arm strength and height/weight.

    After that, the next set of most important skills for a QB are all in the mental intangible side of the game from reading defenses to leading a team.


    If overall physical ability was so important for a QB Then Tom Brady wouldn't be Tom Brady
    Those are backwards.
    They are like 1A and 1B ... if you don't have minimum arm strength it doesn't matter how smart you are ...
    And if you don't have minimum smarts it doesn't matter how hard you can throw
    What about 1A and 1B do you not understand?

    What part of "After that, the next set of most important skills for a QB are all in the mental intangible side of the game from reading defenses to leading a team." don't you understand?

    The mental side takes a backseat to no set of skills. Browning's a great example of this. His height and weight are below average but sufficient, and his arm strength is way below average, but he's a damn good (not great) college QB because of what's above his shoulders.
    Because the initial comment from BTP was tied specifically to physical attributes ... there was no mention of anything between the ears ...

    It's a massively circular argument ... if you don't have the brain it doesn't matter what your physical tools are because you're massively behind the 8 ball ... and if you have the brain but not the physical skills you just can't play at a high level because it limits you and your team's ability to have a full playbook available.

    You're trying way too hard to get me in a "gotcha" moment ... leave that kind of stupidity to @RoadDawg55
  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839

    Yeah, obviously brain for a QB matters. But there is no way for us to know a kids brain in regards to football intelligence. That's one where you have to #TrustTheCoaches.

    I think this is probably true, but I would imagine there are some hints as far as to whether a kid is simply a one read guy, decision making, his leadership skills, etc.

    FWIW it seems that Sirmon has some leadership in him. He seems to enjoy recruiting and the other recruits seem to like him. That's not all there is to being a leader (see Williams, Troy), but it suggests he has the type of personality that could lead if he uses it correctly.
  • Meek
    Meek Member Posts: 7,031
    okay, this little bitchfight between you two is ruining the thread. just take it to PMs at this point.
  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098

    Tequilla said:

    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    Tequilla said:

    Sirmon has more physical talent ... but his intangibles need to get better to be a great QB ... that's part of being 17 and everybody matures differently ...

    Almost all top programs he will go to will find him in a position where he will have to compete ... it is what it is.

    There is room in this class for 2 QBs ... whether we will end up with 2 QBs is TBD

    Uhh does Sirmon vert 39" inches and run a 4.67 40 yard dash? Sirmon's arm talent is a bit better though.
    The most important physical characteristics for a QB are arm strength and height/weight.

    After that, the next set of most important skills for a QB are all in the mental intangible side of the game from reading defenses to leading a team.


    If overall physical ability was so important for a QB Then Tom Brady wouldn't be Tom Brady
    Those are backwards.
    They are like 1A and 1B ... if you don't have minimum arm strength it doesn't matter how smart you are ...
    And if you don't have minimum smarts it doesn't matter how hard you can throw
    What about 1A and 1B do you not understand?

    What part of "After that, the next set of most important skills for a QB are all in the mental intangible side of the game from reading defenses to leading a team." don't you understand?

    The mental side takes a backseat to no set of skills. Browning's a great example of this. His height and weight are below average but sufficient, and his arm strength is way below average, but he's a damn good (not great) college QB because of what's above his shoulders.
    Because the initial comment from BTP was tied specifically to physical attributes ... there was no mention of anything between the ears ...

    It's a massively circular argument ... if you don't have the brain it doesn't matter what your physical tools are because you're massively behind the 8 ball ... and if you have the brain but not the physical skills you just can't play at a high level because it limits you and your team's ability to have a full playbook available.

    You're trying way too hard to get me in a "gotcha" moment ... leave that kind of stupidity to @RoadDawg55
    Thanks for thinking of me :).
    Not a problem ... @dnc has been channeling his inner you hard
  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098
    dnc said:

    Yeah, obviously brain for a QB matters. But there is no way for us to know a kids brain in regards to football intelligence. That's one where you have to #TrustTheCoaches.

    I think this is probably true, but I would imagine there are some hints as far as to whether a kid is simply a one read guy, decision making, his leadership skills, etc.

    FWIW it seems that Sirmon has some leadership in him. He seems to enjoy recruiting and the other recruits seem to like him. That's not all there is to being a leader (see Williams, Troy), but it suggests he has the type of personality that could lead if he uses it correctly.
    Your last point here is spot on ...

    This is why I don't think it's a slam dunk that Sirmon's going elsewhere ...

    It's likely not a void between the ears and I agree that there have been some signs of good leadership examples coming from him ...

    There's a lot of LIPO here in the next few months and years
  • Intersectional_Dawg
    Intersectional_Dawg Member Posts: 524

    Yeah, obviously brain for a QB matters. But there is no way for us to know a kids brain in regards to football intelligence. That's one where you have to #TrustTheCoaches.

    Ah yes, the old Ryan Fitzpatrick canard.

  • CokeGreaterThanPepsi
    CokeGreaterThanPepsi Member Posts: 7,646

    dnc said:

    Yeah, obviously brain for a QB matters. But there is no way for us to know a kids brain in regards to football intelligence. That's one where you have to #TrustTheCoaches.

    I think this is probably true, but I would imagine there are some hints as far as to whether a kid is simply a one read guy, decision making, his leadership skills, etc.

    FWIW it seems that Sirmon has some leadership in him. He seems to enjoy recruiting and the other recruits seem to like him. That's not all there is to being a leader (see Williams, Troy), but it suggests he has the type of personality that could lead if he uses it correctly.
    Agree with all of this. I'm just saying as far as us basement lurkers evaluating a teen boy it's really hard to get a grasp on stuff. Even watching their games and shit we don't know what the correct progression is on their reads or any of that shit. We can make assumptions, and obviously a good example is Jake Browning just from everything we had heard about him.

    In regards to Sirmon and his leadership, I fully agree that he has it in him. But he really needs to figure it out because the things I saw in games were very concerning (berating players, body language, etc.) and if I/we are seeing those things, there is no doubt Pete and staff see them too. Plus Pete through his process gets as much information as possible from people around these recruits.

    Sirmon can be a total alpha dog and a great leader, but you can't be an asshole to your teammates and expect to be a leader. I think once Lubick came in the coaches knew they could get in on Yankoff and they see him as an insurance policy with Sirmon and his question marks. Sirmon is without question one of the most talented QB's I've seen out of WA, but I think this puts him in a spot the coaches wanted to put him in.

    We were going to have ZERO competition for Sirmon if we didn't take another QB this year. So basically the coaches have put themselves in a win-win situation with the following scenarios:

    1) Sirmon stays committed, comes in and competes against DBG and Yankoff as a RS-Frosh to start. The winner of that competition will be fucking legit.

    2) Sirmon decommits and the coaches are now aware that he likely didn't have the capacity to be a true leader of the team. Still have Yankoff in the fold.

    In no way do I believe the coaches want to see Sirmon go, I just think they actually want to see if he's all about this or not.

    TL;DR FML
    There is no way they want Sirmon to leave, but it's hard for me to believe they aren't more comfortable with Yankoff. This wouldn't be happening if they were completely sold on Sirmon. They wouldn't risk losing him.

    Yankoff isn't an insurance policy. He has offers from all over the country and is simply a better QB at this point. Sirmon wouldn't put up big numbers against Camas and Folsom like Yankoff did.

    To your point above #1.... If/When Sirmon leaves, we will have ZERO competition for Yankoff. It's the same situation except with Yankoff instead of Sirmon.

    And Sirmon will decommit.
    I agree that they are likely more comfortable with Yankoff, I just don't think it has to do with anything on the field. These are two of the best QB's on the west coast, he is likely a better QB right now, like you said, but the upside for Sirmon is sky high (and yes, I understand Yankoff has great upside too, I just personally believe Sirmons is higher).

    And I understand it's the same spot if Sirmon leaves, but at least then the coaches knew what they were dealing with in Sirmon.

    The reality is we basically fucked the pooch the last two years and that is why we are where we are.
  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,129

    Pumpy triple post time:

    I love Pete. Going for gold here and just cut throat as shit.

    Me too. I also think Yankoff is going to be amazing.

    Not sure if he has as good of an arm, but he reminds me of Darnold in the sense he's a passer that can run well. I really see a perfect fit for our offense.
  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098
    Mechanics, footwork, etc. are all elements that lead into arm strength and the ability to make all the throws ...

    Some are trying to make way too much out of things here