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You're more than right to puff your chest about that ... that's fine ... it's when others puff the chest for you ... those people can DIAFFdnc said:
Dude you went on and on about why you were sure it was Marshall based on Jen's comments.Tequilla said:
We don't know the comp range that Hopkins is getting and none of us have the access to the underlying financials of the Athletic Department to know what was realistic and what would have been required to be done to get to the point where Marshall could have made sense.RoadDawg55 said:
DNC had a great post about not being the doog that thinks Marshall is coming.Tequilla said:And nobody thought Hopkins period ...
Fuck off with your "haha you were wrong bullshit" ...
I realize that there are times that I will float back and forth between what I would do versus what the AD would do. With regards to this coaching search, I was talking almost exclusively about what I would have done ... said as much when saying that until we hire someone that isn't Marshall I'll be saying that we should be making Marshall an offer he couldn't refuse.
I'm more than willing to sit back and wait on Hopkins versus many of the retread names that were being thrown out there ... NOBODY even considered Hopkins or really any assistant (outside of Lloyd) as a consideration ... everybody expected Cohen to go after an established HC.
It's ultimately why I think the Hopkins hire was definitely more in the Plan B or even Plan C range after getting shut down on some of her prime targets. If Hopkins topped her list this deal would have been done earlier.
Other than that ... FUCK OFF ... in general you make the shit posters around here look knowledgeable ... so let @dnc do the I "told you so" instead of slobbering all over his knob like the willing and pleasing whore that you are.
I think you're right about Hopkins but you allowed yourself to believe we were hiring the basketball coach who everybody in the country wants and that it wouldn't require a pay raise to do it.
There's no need for me to beat my chest because I just stated the incredibly obvious. We were never ever hiring Gregg fucking Marshall.
As I said, I took it from the standpoint of that's who I'd hire and until we hire somebody else that's who I was going to beat my chest for ... no question it was a long shot ... there were ties to the area but also obvious reasons to think it wouldn't happen ... on things like this I prefer to not just sit back and being pessimistic and instead be optimistic ... anybody that can't handle that can just FUCK OFF ...
The reality is that Hopkins was on nobody's radar ... so nobody can really puff the chest out on that one ...
But I think even you would agree with me that after you got about 2-3 names down on the lists everybody was circling about this job they were all fucking terrible. So when you throw that into the context, I'm going to absolutely champion the idea of spending the money to get great versus say 1/2 to 2/3 of that and get dreck. -
I agree there weren't many great options. And I agree I'd spend the money to get great. But it would have taken $7 million a year to get Marshall here and there was no way in hell that was ever happening.Tequilla said:
You're more than right to puff your chest about that ... that's fine ... it's when others puff the chest for you ... those people can DIAFFdnc said:
Dude you went on and on about why you were sure it was Marshall based on Jen's comments.Tequilla said:
We don't know the comp range that Hopkins is getting and none of us have the access to the underlying financials of the Athletic Department to know what was realistic and what would have been required to be done to get to the point where Marshall could have made sense.RoadDawg55 said:
DNC had a great post about not being the doog that thinks Marshall is coming.Tequilla said:And nobody thought Hopkins period ...
Fuck off with your "haha you were wrong bullshit" ...
I realize that there are times that I will float back and forth between what I would do versus what the AD would do. With regards to this coaching search, I was talking almost exclusively about what I would have done ... said as much when saying that until we hire someone that isn't Marshall I'll be saying that we should be making Marshall an offer he couldn't refuse.
I'm more than willing to sit back and wait on Hopkins versus many of the retread names that were being thrown out there ... NOBODY even considered Hopkins or really any assistant (outside of Lloyd) as a consideration ... everybody expected Cohen to go after an established HC.
It's ultimately why I think the Hopkins hire was definitely more in the Plan B or even Plan C range after getting shut down on some of her prime targets. If Hopkins topped her list this deal would have been done earlier.
Other than that ... FUCK OFF ... in general you make the shit posters around here look knowledgeable ... so let @dnc do the I "told you so" instead of slobbering all over his knob like the willing and pleasing whore that you are.
I think you're right about Hopkins but you allowed yourself to believe we were hiring the basketball coach who everybody in the country wants and that it wouldn't require a pay raise to do it.
There's no need for me to beat my chest because I just stated the incredibly obvious. We were never ever hiring Gregg fucking Marshall.
As I said, I took it from the standpoint of that's who I'd hire and until we hire somebody else that's who I was going to beat my chest for ... no question it was a long shot ... there were ties to the area but also obvious reasons to think it wouldn't happen ... on things like this I prefer to not just sit back and being pessimistic and instead be optimistic ... anybody that can't handle that can just FUCK OFF ...
The reality is that Hopkins was on nobody's radar ... so nobody can really puff the chest out on that one ...
But I think even you would agree with me that after you got about 2-3 names down on the lists everybody was circling about this job they were all fucking terrible. So when you throw that into the context, I'm going to absolutely champion the idea of spending the money to get great versus say 1/2 to 2/3 of that and get dreck.
What I don't agree with is the idea you were just posting what you would do rather than saying you thought it would happen. You're making @haie's backpedal look slow. -
Listening to what she was describing today during the press conference today, it screamed Marshall to me ...
I get all the reasons why Marshall shouldn't be in play ...
But from what I've gathered of how Cohen operates, she puts the pieces on the table with an offer that makes it difficult to impossible to say no ... and if she gets resistance she doesn't just take it and leave she finds a way to make it difficult to say no in the end.
If you buy the above, then I'd say that I'd say Marshall is as likely as the field.
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Do we know that it would have taken $7M to get Marshall? That seems like a little hyperbole.
We knew that he is making $3.3M at Wichita State ... if we could have gotten the deal done in the $4M to $4.5M range then that was the hire ...
I think we'd have to be naïve to think that Cohen didn't at least kick the tires on Marshall ... if you believe the $2M to $3M range that was being thrown out by the media then I think they would have gotten to $4M for the right candidate. Problem is if they say that then they may as well publicly say who they are targeting because it's such a small group of coaches that could fall in that range. I'm still not convinced that Marshall won't take one of the open jobs ... I could see T Boone throwing some big money to get him to head a couple of hours south to Okie Lite.
What I was pretty adamant about regarding Marshall was making him an offer that he couldn't refuse ... obviously we have our boundaries on that ... but if you are pursuing him you have to know what it takes to sit at the table ($4M minimum).
What's likely realistic is that Cohen kicked the tires on the guys that we would have wanted and found out that she was going to have to pay a premium to get an elite guy (plus pay a buyout) with no guarantee that that coach would stay for the long haul (outside of Marshall because of his wife's ties) and decided from a budget standpoint they'd be better off allocating those resources into the assistant coaching pool and likely towards the build out of the men's practice facilities that have been talked about.
For as much as she talked about wanting to get the right coach and the championship commitment that she wanted the hire basically proves that in the end the hire was a budget hire and she probably got as good as she could get given those boundaries.
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Jesus how long did this take you?Tequilla said:Do we know that it would have taken $7M to get Marshall? That seems like a little hyperbole.
We knew that he is making $3.3M at Wichita State ... if we could have gotten the deal done in the $4M to $4.5M range then that was the hire ...
I think we'd have to be naïve to think that Cohen didn't at least kick the tires on Marshall ... if you believe the $2M to $3M range that was being thrown out by the media then I think they would have gotten to $4M for the right candidate. Problem is if they say that then they may as well publicly say who they are targeting because it's such a small group of coaches that could fall in that range. I'm still not convinced that Marshall won't take one of the open jobs ... I could see T Boone throwing some big money to get him to head a couple of hours south to Okie Lite.
What I was pretty adamant about regarding Marshall was making him an offer that he couldn't refuse ... obviously we have our boundaries on that ... but if you are pursuing him you have to know what it takes to sit at the table ($4M minimum).
What's likely realistic is that Cohen kicked the tires on the guys that we would have wanted and found out that she was going to have to pay a premium to get an elite guy (plus pay a buyout) with no guarantee that that coach would stay for the long haul (outside of Marshall because of his wife's ties) and decided from a budget standpoint they'd be better off allocating those resources into the assistant coaching pool and likely towards the build out of the men's practice facilities that have been talked about.
For as much as she talked about wanting to get the right coach and the championship commitment that she wanted the hire basically proves that in the end the hire was a budget hire and she probably got as good as she could get given those boundaries. -
I agree with Tequilla. I think we're going to get Marshall.Tequilla said:Do we know that it would have taken $7M to get Marshall? That seems like a little hyperbole.
We knew that he is making $3.3M at Wichita State ... if we could have gotten the deal done in the $4M to $4.5M range then that was the hire ...
I think we'd have to be naïve to think that Cohen didn't at least kick the tires on Marshall ... if you believe the $2M to $3M range that was being thrown out by the media then I think they would have gotten to $4M for the right candidate. Problem is if they say that then they may as well publicly say who they are targeting because it's such a small group of coaches that could fall in that range. I'm still not convinced that Marshall won't take one of the open jobs ... I could see T Boone throwing some big money to get him to head a couple of hours south to Okie Lite.
What I was pretty adamant about regarding Marshall was making him an offer that he couldn't refuse ... obviously we have our boundaries on that ... but if you are pursuing him you have to know what it takes to sit at the table ($4M minimum).
What's likely realistic is that Cohen kicked the tires on the guys that we would have wanted and found out that she was going to have to pay a premium to get an elite guy (plus pay a buyout) with no guarantee that that coach would stay for the long haul (outside of Marshall because of his wife's ties) and decided from a budget standpoint they'd be better off allocating those resources into the assistant coaching pool and likely towards the build out of the men's practice facilities that have been talked about.
For as much as she talked about wanting to get the right coach and the championship commitment that she wanted the hire basically proves that in the end the hire was a budget hire and she probably got as good as she could get given those boundaries. -
And I stand by every single world of that ...dnc said:Listening to what she was describing today during the press conference today, it screamed Marshall to me ...
I get all the reasons why Marshall shouldn't be in play ...
But from what I've gathered of how Cohen operates, she puts the pieces on the table with an offer that makes it difficult to impossible to say no ... and if she gets resistance she doesn't just take it and leave she finds a way to make it difficult to say no in the end.
If you buy the above, then I'd say that I'd say Marshall is as likely as the field.
Cohen was vocal during the press conference about making the hoops program championship caliber and giving it the resources needed to do that ...
She may have hired someone that she thought had a pedigree to be able to build a championship caliber program in time ... but she's betting on the come on this and not paying for a sure thing. -
About the same amount of time it takes for you to make a dirty sock crunchybackthepack said:
Jesus how long did this take you?Tequilla said:Do we know that it would have taken $7M to get Marshall? That seems like a little hyperbole.
We knew that he is making $3.3M at Wichita State ... if we could have gotten the deal done in the $4M to $4.5M range then that was the hire ...
I think we'd have to be naïve to think that Cohen didn't at least kick the tires on Marshall ... if you believe the $2M to $3M range that was being thrown out by the media then I think they would have gotten to $4M for the right candidate. Problem is if they say that then they may as well publicly say who they are targeting because it's such a small group of coaches that could fall in that range. I'm still not convinced that Marshall won't take one of the open jobs ... I could see T Boone throwing some big money to get him to head a couple of hours south to Okie Lite.
What I was pretty adamant about regarding Marshall was making him an offer that he couldn't refuse ... obviously we have our boundaries on that ... but if you are pursuing him you have to know what it takes to sit at the table ($4M minimum).
What's likely realistic is that Cohen kicked the tires on the guys that we would have wanted and found out that she was going to have to pay a premium to get an elite guy (plus pay a buyout) with no guarantee that that coach would stay for the long haul (outside of Marshall because of his wife's ties) and decided from a budget standpoint they'd be better off allocating those resources into the assistant coaching pool and likely towards the build out of the men's practice facilities that have been talked about.
For as much as she talked about wanting to get the right coach and the championship commitment that she wanted the hire basically proves that in the end the hire was a budget hire and she probably got as good as she could get given those boundaries. -
DisagreeTequilla said:Do we know that it would have taken $7M to get Marshall? That seems like a little hyperbole.
We knew that he is making $3.3M at Wichita State ... if we could have gotten the deal done in the $4M to $4.5M range then that was the hire ...
I think we'd have to be naïve to think that Cohen didn't at least kick the tires on Marshall ... if you believe the $2M to $3M range that was being thrown out by the media then I think they would have gotten to $4M for the right candidate. Problem is if they say that then they may as well publicly say who they are targeting because it's such a small group of coaches that could fall in that range. I'm still not convinced that Marshall won't take one of the open jobs ... I could see T Boone throwing some big money to get him to head a couple of hours south to Okie Lite.
What I was pretty adamant about regarding Marshall was making him an offer that he couldn't refuse ... obviously we have our boundaries on that ... but if you are pursuing him you have to know what it takes to sit at the table ($4M minimum).
What's likely realistic is that Cohen kicked the tires on the guys that we would have wanted and found out that she was going to have to pay a premium to get an elite guy (plus pay a buyout) with no guarantee that that coach would stay for the long haul (outside of Marshall because of his wife's ties) and decided from a budget standpoint they'd be better off allocating those resources into the assistant coaching pool and likely towards the build out of the men's practice facilities that have been talked about.
For as much as she talked about wanting to get the right coach and the championship commitment that she wanted the hire basically proves that in the end the hire was a budget hire and she probably got as good as she could get given those boundaries. -
About 3 hours? I prefer mouths of females tho #EndWorldHungerTequilla said:
About the same amount of time it takes for you to make a dirty sock crunchybackthepack said:
Jesus how long did this take you?Tequilla said:Do we know that it would have taken $7M to get Marshall? That seems like a little hyperbole.
We knew that he is making $3.3M at Wichita State ... if we could have gotten the deal done in the $4M to $4.5M range then that was the hire ...
I think we'd have to be naïve to think that Cohen didn't at least kick the tires on Marshall ... if you believe the $2M to $3M range that was being thrown out by the media then I think they would have gotten to $4M for the right candidate. Problem is if they say that then they may as well publicly say who they are targeting because it's such a small group of coaches that could fall in that range. I'm still not convinced that Marshall won't take one of the open jobs ... I could see T Boone throwing some big money to get him to head a couple of hours south to Okie Lite.
What I was pretty adamant about regarding Marshall was making him an offer that he couldn't refuse ... obviously we have our boundaries on that ... but if you are pursuing him you have to know what it takes to sit at the table ($4M minimum).
What's likely realistic is that Cohen kicked the tires on the guys that we would have wanted and found out that she was going to have to pay a premium to get an elite guy (plus pay a buyout) with no guarantee that that coach would stay for the long haul (outside of Marshall because of his wife's ties) and decided from a budget standpoint they'd be better off allocating those resources into the assistant coaching pool and likely towards the build out of the men's practice facilities that have been talked about.
For as much as she talked about wanting to get the right coach and the championship commitment that she wanted the hire basically proves that in the end the hire was a budget hire and she probably got as good as she could get given those boundaries.
