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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,270
    tenndawg said:

    Tequilla said:



    Going national WILL NEVER be a strategy for us and more importantly IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE

    Let's be brutally honest

    1/2 a natty in 1990

    This past year The Dubs played two good teams, and well...

    Washington can sustain staying in the Top 10 for awhile with great coaching and players mostly from Wash and Cali - but there is no reason to believe they will win a natty with the current formula...

    If the goal is to be competitive and exciting, then no, they don't need to go national

    But if the goal is a natty, they may need to lure a few 4 and 5 stars from Ohio, Michigan, Texas and / or SEC country
    I don't completely agree

    If we can get a roster of 40+ 4 star or better kids we're in a discussion to compete for a national championship ... being able to average 10 a year is actually not that much of a stretch going forward ... it's not necessarily easy but very doable.

    We need to keep winning at a high level to make sure we start changing the opinions of kids ... particularly in SoCal. It would be very helpful for us to have UCLA continue to wallow in mediocrity under Mora and UCLA to be buried by the massive buyout that he has.

    Even for USC, recruiting nationally has usually resulted in a program losing their way ... it's not the answer for winning championships. Stanford can get away with it a bit because of their academics. Oregon gets away with it because of Nike and because they have to expand their recruiting base given what the State of Oregon produces.

    I've got absolutely nothing against us going after the 3-5 kids nationally that express a very strong interest in coming to UW whether it is because they have family in the Seattle area, really like what we're doing, etc. But what we can't do is go too hard into the national recruiting picture at the expense of losing out on our established base. The reality is that 75%+ of our recruiting classes will always come from Washington and California ... that's good enough
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  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,855
    tenndawg said:

    Tequilla said:



    Going national WILL NEVER be a strategy for us and more importantly IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE

    Let's be brutally honest

    1/2 a natty in 1990

    This past year The Dubs played two good teams, and well...

    Washington can sustain staying in the Top 10 for awhile with great coaching and players mostly from Wash and Cali - but there is no reason to believe they will win a natty with the current formula...

    If the goal is to be competitive and exciting, then no, they don't need to go national

    But if the goal is a natty, they may need to lure a few 4 and 5 stars from Ohio, Michigan, Texas and / or SEC country
    Take this shit to HardcoreBuffaloes where it belongs!
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  • HUSKYFANATIC
    HUSKYFANATIC Member Posts: 1,651
    Dennis_DeYoung said:

    HUSKYFANATIC said:

    Dennis_DeYoung said:

    whuggy said:

    Actually I really hope it's a sign
    that we are stretching our normal
    recruiting areas. When the new rule
    comes in this year, can the 10th asst.
    coach be a designated recruiter?

    Why the fuck would we want to waste time in GA? This kid is never coming to WA.
    Fuck man...... UW could use a Georgia peach every 5 years.
    Name the last commit we had from GA.
    Time to start! Jimmy Fucking Lake!!

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  • Dennis_DeYoung
    Dennis_DeYoung Member Posts: 14,754
    Tequilla said:

    Also, let's walk back this narrative that we were a good little team last year that got blown out by the 2 good teams that we played.

    Before we get anywhere in this, go back and watch Browning before/after his shoulder injury ... the difference is night and day. Browning didn't lose those games for us ... it was the lack of production from the OL and notably the interior of the OL.

    Going back to USC, we had 2 major issues in that game that probably don't get enough play. First, Jake Eldrenkamp had missed a handful of games before the SC game and that was his first game back ... my guess is that he was not 100% healthy going into the game and definitely had some rust to him ... it wasn't one of his finest games. When you add that to the already established weaknesses we had on the line with Center and Nick Harris getting rag dolled and that's not a recipe for success for a running game that can't get out of the backfield due to the penetration or giving time to a QB that needs it to throw open WRs with a bum arm. The other issue is that immediately after Victor broke his leg USC really started to expose the middle of the field in the pass game with their TE throughout the 2nd quarter ... it turned the balance of the game.

    As for Alabama, again, it was largely OL driven for us combined with not having options in the passing game that possessed enough rare physical abilities. We've addressed the passing game option. Defensively, we showed that we were more than capable of playing on that level.

    If you go back and re-do our recruiting such that we hit on 10 4+ stars every year (which we did in '17; guys we had a real shot at), we would've been a totally different team this year.

    2012 (we had 4 4+stars):
    Josh Garnett
    Zach Banner
    Keiverae Russell
    Jordan Payton
    Michael Rector

    2013 (we had 8):
    Daeshon Hall
    Evan Voeller

    2014 (we had 4):
    Joe Mixon
    Dalton Schultz
    Jacob Tuioti-Mariner
    Ainuu Taua

    2015 (we had 8):
    Tristen Hoge
    JoJo Wicker

    2016 (we had 8):
    N'Keal Harry
    Jacob Eason

    All of those kids are guys from the west coast who we had ties to and lost out on for whatever reason. Just having those dudes would've completely changed the season.
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  • tenndawg
    tenndawg Member Posts: 1,161
    DDY you cuss beautifully, you hurl insults like the town drunk berating cops - but it doesn't change the fact UW hasn't been particularly effective with their current formula...

    Blame Ty, blame Sark, blame Bubushka, whatever...

    I'm sure you have researched it enough to know the state of Washington is #22 in average number of Division I recruits produced per year - even Maryland, Indiana and Arizona produce more annual recruits

    History shows what history shows - UW would benefit from broadening the recruiting base

    No combination of passionately hurled chastisements and infantile name calling will change that - though it is entertaining

    And yes, I know the 1/2 natty was 1991...but correcting a typo wasn't that high a priority
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  • Dennis_DeYoung
    Dennis_DeYoung Member Posts: 14,754
    tenndawg said:

    DDY you cuss beautifully, you hurl insults like the town drunk berating cops - but it doesn't change the fact UW hasn't been particularly effective with their current formula...

    Blame Ty, blame Sark, blame Bubushka, whatever...

    I'm sure you have researched it enough to know the state of Washington is #22 in average number of Division I recruits produced per year - even Maryland, Indiana and Arizona produce more annual recruits

    History shows what history shows - UW would benefit from broadening the recruiting base

    No combination of passionately hurled chastisements and infantile name calling will change that - though it is entertaining

    And yes, I know the 1/2 natty was 1991...but correcting a typo wasn't that high a priority

    What you're saying makes no sense. I'm showing you right there: the strategy has not been done well because we have had shit coaches.

    We finally have a good one.

    We got the most 4-star kids we've ever gotten last year. If we can stack classes like that and expand that to add two 4-star kids every year it makes no fucking difference where they come from. There is NO EVIDENCE that the formula to win Natties includes getting kids from "SEC country". Reggie Bush? Matt Leinert? LenDale White? Rey Maualuga?

    All from Cali.

    Also, you're stupid fucking stat about WA talent production is retarded.

    It doesn't matter what rank we are - we don't need ranked data here. We get a disproportionate number of the top WA players, so the only thing that matters is how many players come out. 6-8 kids per year is an amazing advantage. Salvon, Henry B, Fozzy, etc, getting those kids is step #1 to greatness.

    The reason why WA recruiting is so important for us is that we would never sniff a kid like Sirmon if he were in SoCal. But because he's in WA, we are automatically on the short list. All of our 5-stars for the past 25 years have been from WA save for 1.

    It's not fucking physics. It's adding one simple fucking variable to the equation.

    It's about YIELD.

    Can you calculate expected value? Try that!

    Fuck.

    So, there's no evidence that kids from "SEC country" have led to natties for P12 teams and we were 5 good WC players away from a natty last year and now you think the strategy doesn't work because you have a boner for the dumb narrative of "SEC talent"?

    Great job.
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