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  • TequillaTequilla Member Posts: 19,837
    tenndawg said:

    Tequilla said:



    Going national WILL NEVER be a strategy for us and more importantly IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE

    Let's be brutally honest

    1/2 a natty in 1990

    This past year The Dubs played two good teams, and well...

    Washington can sustain staying in the Top 10 for awhile with great coaching and players mostly from Wash and Cali - but there is no reason to believe they will win a natty with the current formula...

    If the goal is to be competitive and exciting, then no, they don't need to go national

    But if the goal is a natty, they may need to lure a few 4 and 5 stars from Ohio, Michigan, Texas and / or SEC country
    I don't completely agree

    If we can get a roster of 40+ 4 star or better kids we're in a discussion to compete for a national championship ... being able to average 10 a year is actually not that much of a stretch going forward ... it's not necessarily easy but very doable.

    We need to keep winning at a high level to make sure we start changing the opinions of kids ... particularly in SoCal. It would be very helpful for us to have UCLA continue to wallow in mediocrity under Mora and UCLA to be buried by the massive buyout that he has.

    Even for USC, recruiting nationally has usually resulted in a program losing their way ... it's not the answer for winning championships. Stanford can get away with it a bit because of their academics. Oregon gets away with it because of Nike and because they have to expand their recruiting base given what the State of Oregon produces.

    I've got absolutely nothing against us going after the 3-5 kids nationally that express a very strong interest in coming to UW whether it is because they have family in the Seattle area, really like what we're doing, etc. But what we can't do is go too hard into the national recruiting picture at the expense of losing out on our established base. The reality is that 75%+ of our recruiting classes will always come from Washington and California ... that's good enough
  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,691
    tenndawg said:

    Tequilla said:



    Going national WILL NEVER be a strategy for us and more importantly IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE

    Let's be brutally honest

    1/2 a natty in 1990

    This past year The Dubs played two good teams, and well...

    Washington can sustain staying in the Top 10 for awhile with great coaching and players mostly from Wash and Cali - but there is no reason to believe they will win a natty with the current formula...

    If the goal is to be competitive and exciting, then no, they don't need to go national

    But if the goal is a natty, they may need to lure a few 4 and 5 stars from Ohio, Michigan, Texas and / or SEC country
    Take this shit to HardcoreBuffaloes where it belongs!
  • HUSKYFANATICHUSKYFANATIC Member Posts: 1,651

    whuggy said:

    Actually I really hope it's a sign
    that we are stretching our normal
    recruiting areas. When the new rule
    comes in this year, can the 10th asst.
    coach be a designated recruiter?

    Why the fuck would we want to waste time in GA? This kid is never coming to WA.
    Fuck man...... UW could use a Georgia peach every 5 years.
    Name the last commit we had from GA.
    Time to start! Jimmy Fucking Lake!!

  • Dennis_DeYoungDennis_DeYoung Member Posts: 14,754
    Tequilla said:

    Also, let's walk back this narrative that we were a good little team last year that got blown out by the 2 good teams that we played.

    Before we get anywhere in this, go back and watch Browning before/after his shoulder injury ... the difference is night and day. Browning didn't lose those games for us ... it was the lack of production from the OL and notably the interior of the OL.

    Going back to USC, we had 2 major issues in that game that probably don't get enough play. First, Jake Eldrenkamp had missed a handful of games before the SC game and that was his first game back ... my guess is that he was not 100% healthy going into the game and definitely had some rust to him ... it wasn't one of his finest games. When you add that to the already established weaknesses we had on the line with Center and Nick Harris getting rag dolled and that's not a recipe for success for a running game that can't get out of the backfield due to the penetration or giving time to a QB that needs it to throw open WRs with a bum arm. The other issue is that immediately after Victor broke his leg USC really started to expose the middle of the field in the pass game with their TE throughout the 2nd quarter ... it turned the balance of the game.

    As for Alabama, again, it was largely OL driven for us combined with not having options in the passing game that possessed enough rare physical abilities. We've addressed the passing game option. Defensively, we showed that we were more than capable of playing on that level.

    If you go back and re-do our recruiting such that we hit on 10 4+ stars every year (which we did in '17; guys we had a real shot at), we would've been a totally different team this year.

    2012 (we had 4 4+stars):
    Josh Garnett
    Zach Banner
    Keiverae Russell
    Jordan Payton
    Michael Rector

    2013 (we had 8):
    Daeshon Hall
    Evan Voeller

    2014 (we had 4):
    Joe Mixon
    Dalton Schultz
    Jacob Tuioti-Mariner
    Ainuu Taua

    2015 (we had 8):
    Tristen Hoge
    JoJo Wicker

    2016 (we had 8):
    N'Keal Harry
    Jacob Eason

    All of those kids are guys from the west coast who we had ties to and lost out on for whatever reason. Just having those dudes would've completely changed the season.
  • tenndawgtenndawg Member Posts: 1,161
    DDY you cuss beautifully, you hurl insults like the town drunk berating cops - but it doesn't change the fact UW hasn't been particularly effective with their current formula...

    Blame Ty, blame Sark, blame Bubushka, whatever...

    I'm sure you have researched it enough to know the state of Washington is #22 in average number of Division I recruits produced per year - even Maryland, Indiana and Arizona produce more annual recruits

    History shows what history shows - UW would benefit from broadening the recruiting base

    No combination of passionately hurled chastisements and infantile name calling will change that - though it is entertaining

    And yes, I know the 1/2 natty was 1991...but correcting a typo wasn't that high a priority
  • Dennis_DeYoungDennis_DeYoung Member Posts: 14,754
    tenndawg said:

    DDY you cuss beautifully, you hurl insults like the town drunk berating cops - but it doesn't change the fact UW hasn't been particularly effective with their current formula...

    Blame Ty, blame Sark, blame Bubushka, whatever...

    I'm sure you have researched it enough to know the state of Washington is #22 in average number of Division I recruits produced per year - even Maryland, Indiana and Arizona produce more annual recruits

    History shows what history shows - UW would benefit from broadening the recruiting base

    No combination of passionately hurled chastisements and infantile name calling will change that - though it is entertaining

    And yes, I know the 1/2 natty was 1991...but correcting a typo wasn't that high a priority

    What you're saying makes no sense. I'm showing you right there: the strategy has not been done well because we have had shit coaches.

    We finally have a good one.

    We got the most 4-star kids we've ever gotten last year. If we can stack classes like that and expand that to add two 4-star kids every year it makes no fucking difference where they come from. There is NO EVIDENCE that the formula to win Natties includes getting kids from "SEC country". Reggie Bush? Matt Leinert? LenDale White? Rey Maualuga?

    All from Cali.

    Also, you're stupid fucking stat about WA talent production is retarded.

    It doesn't matter what rank we are - we don't need ranked data here. We get a disproportionate number of the top WA players, so the only thing that matters is how many players come out. 6-8 kids per year is an amazing advantage. Salvon, Henry B, Fozzy, etc, getting those kids is step #1 to greatness.

    The reason why WA recruiting is so important for us is that we would never sniff a kid like Sirmon if he were in SoCal. But because he's in WA, we are automatically on the short list. All of our 5-stars for the past 25 years have been from WA save for 1.

    It's not fucking physics. It's adding one simple fucking variable to the equation.

    It's about YIELD.

    Can you calculate expected value? Try that!

    Fuck.

    So, there's no evidence that kids from "SEC country" have led to natties for P12 teams and we were 5 good WC players away from a natty last year and now you think the strategy doesn't work because you have a boner for the dumb narrative of "SEC talent"?

    Great job.
  • TequillaTequilla Member Posts: 19,837

    Tequilla said:

    Also, let's walk back this narrative that we were a good little team last year that got blown out by the 2 good teams that we played.

    Before we get anywhere in this, go back and watch Browning before/after his shoulder injury ... the difference is night and day. Browning didn't lose those games for us ... it was the lack of production from the OL and notably the interior of the OL.

    Going back to USC, we had 2 major issues in that game that probably don't get enough play. First, Jake Eldrenkamp had missed a handful of games before the SC game and that was his first game back ... my guess is that he was not 100% healthy going into the game and definitely had some rust to him ... it wasn't one of his finest games. When you add that to the already established weaknesses we had on the line with Center and Nick Harris getting rag dolled and that's not a recipe for success for a running game that can't get out of the backfield due to the penetration or giving time to a QB that needs it to throw open WRs with a bum arm. The other issue is that immediately after Victor broke his leg USC really started to expose the middle of the field in the pass game with their TE throughout the 2nd quarter ... it turned the balance of the game.

    As for Alabama, again, it was largely OL driven for us combined with not having options in the passing game that possessed enough rare physical abilities. We've addressed the passing game option. Defensively, we showed that we were more than capable of playing on that level.

    If you go back and re-do our recruiting such that we hit on 10 4+ stars every year (which we did in '17; guys we had a real shot at), we would've been a totally different team this year.

    2012 (we had 4 4+stars):
    Josh Garnett
    Zach Banner
    Keiverae Russell
    Jordan Payton
    Michael Rector

    2013 (we had 8):
    Daeshon Hall
    Evan Voeller

    2014 (we had 4):
    Joe Mixon
    Dalton Schultz
    Jacob Tuioti-Mariner
    Ainuu Taua

    2015 (we had 8):
    Tristen Hoge
    JoJo Wicker

    2016 (we had 8):
    N'Keal Harry
    Jacob Eason

    All of those kids are guys from the west coast who we had ties to and lost out on for whatever reason. Just having those dudes would've completely changed the season.
    Just looking at the bolder players ...

    That covers the shortfall in the OL by solidifying the interior ... solidifies our miss on the outside with Hall by providing a significant upgrade over PSALM ... and provides a big WR that we didn't particularly have on the roster last year that could have provided a significant receiving option to Browning against the high quality athletes from USC and Alabama.

    The gap isn't that significant.
  • TequillaTequilla Member Posts: 19,837
    tenndawg said:

    DDY you cuss beautifully, you hurl insults like the town drunk berating cops - but it doesn't change the fact UW hasn't been particularly effective with their current formula...

    Blame Ty, blame Sark, blame Bubushka, whatever...

    I'm sure you have researched it enough to know the state of Washington is #22 in average number of Division I recruits produced per year - even Maryland, Indiana and Arizona produce more annual recruits

    History shows what history shows - UW would benefit from broadening the recruiting base

    No combination of passionately hurled chastisements and infantile name calling will change that - though it is entertaining

    And yes, I know the 1/2 natty was 1991...but correcting a typo wasn't that high a priority

    Not sure it matters ...

    By and large we have a fence around this state and don't share very many of our top end recruits with other states (OL excluded) ...

    You've offered ZERO evidence to suggest that getting 6-8 kids per class out of Washington and California each isn't a sustainable strategy ...

    IF it is a sustainable strategy ... then you are cherry picking the rest of the class from around the country ... very doable.

    Where this program gets in trouble is when it needs to recruit 25 in a class.
  • NEsnake12NEsnake12 Member Posts: 3,792
    The one counter-point I'll make to Teq's geographic recruiting distribution is that the 2018 in-state class is really weak in terms of the type of talent UW is trying to get. Sirmon, Culp, Gordon, and Harrison are the only offers out. Maybe MJ Ale gets an offer and maybe one more random kid blows up his senior year ala Joe Tryon.

    But low odds we get all of those guys... Gordon is looking around, Harrison got a crystal ball to Michigan from a national guy at 247 today, Ale already has 5 PAC12 offers and we don't seem super serious about him yet... just a lot of uncertainty.

    So it kinda makes sense that in this cycle, we're looking more heavily in California, Utah, and out East with offers like this GA kid, Jack Sirmon, and a few Florida guys.
  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,691
    NEsnake12 said:

    The one counter-point I'll make to Teq's geographic recruiting distribution is that the 2018 in-state class is really weak in terms of the type of talent UW is trying to get. Sirmon, Culp, Gordon, and Harrison are the only offers out. Maybe MJ Ale gets an offer and maybe one more random kid blows up his senior year ala Joe Tryon.

    But low odds we get all of those guys... Gordon is looking around, Harrison got a crystal ball to Michigan from a national guy at 247 today, Ale already has 5 PAC12 offers and we don't seem super serious about him yet... just a lot of uncertainty.

    So it kinda makes sense that in this cycle, we're looking more heavily in California, Utah, and out East with offers like this GA kid, Jack Sirmon, and a few Florida guys.

    I still think we? end up offering Wilson at some point, but it might be late. But yeah, ugly year in Washington.
  • TequillaTequilla Member Posts: 19,837
    There's going to be years where from an in-state perspective things are great and some years where it is not great ...

    There will always be small tweaks to the numbers ...

    But the point being that if your foundation is that you're looking at the start of your class at 75% of your recruits being in-state and California kids ... that's a good foundation.

    When you start the process, you go through and look to see how attainable those numbers are. When you see that the numbers are off whether it be geographically or from a position standpoint you start making contingency plans and adjusting accordingly.

    No plan worth a shit is black and white and never deviated from ... variables change all the time. But that doesn't mean it's not a bad idea to not have a foundation in place to start with.
  • Dennis_DeYoungDennis_DeYoung Member Posts: 14,754
    tenndawg said:

    Look I want to see the Dubs win it all and hope you guys are right -

    and I hope DDY stays frenzied and unmedicated, hope there's no cure and his explicative included comments continue

    In a proper context, I stand by my original assertion - I like the move of trying to pull someone out of Georgia, it's low risk potentially huge reward, especially if they get a few kids a year to head west

    UW is doing a great job of getting in state talent, can't look for improvement there

    And yes Cali is a top 3 high school talent state, and UW does well there too

    Not sure there is much more to be pulled out of those two states, UW may be maximized there, and one other fertile recruiting ground would be ideal

    Yeah, I know, I'm a goat sucking drippy cunted ignoramous who wishes he was locked in a giraffe cage getting fucked by hyenas blah blah blah

    ...go on. For a fren.
  • Ice_HolmvikIce_Holmvik Member Posts: 2,912
    I think the staff has been trying to get a bigger presence in Ut and Az. I like adding those two states because there is some talent there and the State schools aren't USC and UCLA.
  • SwayeSwaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,430 Founders Club

    This kid will never come here. Offer doesn't make any sense. Same as offering Reuben Foster.

    You forgot about all the FREE PUB we got on that one.
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