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  • ThomasFremont
    ThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
    dnc said:

    There is some truth to Gaddy being better in a different system. Gaddy fucked himself with his broken jumper though.

    You can't be a horrible athlete and not be able to shoot. If he could shoot, he would have been pretty good. He was a reasonably smart player. He took care of the ball and mostly made the right play.

    Without a shot, his lack of athleticism made it impossible to be any good. That was a huge reason why he had the ranking he did.

    You literally described NWG. Except one is succeeding and one didn't
    Fair point. NWG is a better athlete and more assertive though. NWG is an average athlete. Gaddy is a bad one.

    NWG has always been good. He could always get in the paint and he had that floater. He was better his first game at UW than Gaddy was at any point.
    NWG and Gaddy post knee surgery are the same player.

    I'll take injured Gaddy over Goss any time.

    One fought back from a knee injury. the other points the finger at his teammates and quits when things get hard.
    One is the best player on a number one seed, the other never sniffed the tournament after his knee injury.

    We get that you hate Goss, but he's light years better than Gaddy, it's not even close.
    He's not the best player on Gonzaga.

    HTH
  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,123

    dnc said:

    There is some truth to Gaddy being better in a different system. Gaddy fucked himself with his broken jumper though.

    You can't be a horrible athlete and not be able to shoot. If he could shoot, he would have been pretty good. He was a reasonably smart player. He took care of the ball and mostly made the right play.

    Without a shot, his lack of athleticism made it impossible to be any good. That was a huge reason why he had the ranking he did.

    You literally described NWG. Except one is succeeding and one didn't
    Fair point. NWG is a better athlete and more assertive though. NWG is an average athlete. Gaddy is a bad one.

    NWG has always been good. He could always get in the paint and he had that floater. He was better his first game at UW than Gaddy was at any point.
    NWG and Gaddy post knee surgery are the same player.

    I'll take injured Gaddy over Goss any time.

    One fought back from a knee injury. the other points the finger at his teammates and quits when things get hard.
    One is the best player on a number one seed, the other never sniffed the tournament after his knee injury.

    We get that you hate Goss, but he's light years better than Gaddy, it's not even close.
    He's not the best player on Gonzaga.

    HTH
    He is. Rather easily. Maybe Collins is a better future pro, but right now, NWG is the best player on their team.

    Who is better? Karnewski?
  • ThomasFremont
    ThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325

    dnc said:

    There is some truth to Gaddy being better in a different system. Gaddy fucked himself with his broken jumper though.

    You can't be a horrible athlete and not be able to shoot. If he could shoot, he would have been pretty good. He was a reasonably smart player. He took care of the ball and mostly made the right play.

    Without a shot, his lack of athleticism made it impossible to be any good. That was a huge reason why he had the ranking he did.

    You literally described NWG. Except one is succeeding and one didn't
    Fair point. NWG is a better athlete and more assertive though. NWG is an average athlete. Gaddy is a bad one.

    NWG has always been good. He could always get in the paint and he had that floater. He was better his first game at UW than Gaddy was at any point.
    NWG and Gaddy post knee surgery are the same player.

    I'll take injured Gaddy over Goss any time.

    One fought back from a knee injury. the other points the finger at his teammates and quits when things get hard.
    One is the best player on a number one seed, the other never sniffed the tournament after his knee injury.

    We get that you hate Goss, but he's light years better than Gaddy, it's not even close.
    He's not the best player on Gonzaga.

    HTH
    He is. Rather easily. Maybe Collins is a better future pro, but right now, NWG is the best player on their team.

    Who is better? Karnewski?
    Quality bigs rule CBB.
  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839
    edited March 2017

    dnc said:

    There is some truth to Gaddy being better in a different system. Gaddy fucked himself with his broken jumper though.

    You can't be a horrible athlete and not be able to shoot. If he could shoot, he would have been pretty good. He was a reasonably smart player. He took care of the ball and mostly made the right play.

    Without a shot, his lack of athleticism made it impossible to be any good. That was a huge reason why he had the ranking he did.

    You literally described NWG. Except one is succeeding and one didn't
    Fair point. NWG is a better athlete and more assertive though. NWG is an average athlete. Gaddy is a bad one.

    NWG has always been good. He could always get in the paint and he had that floater. He was better his first game at UW than Gaddy was at any point.
    NWG and Gaddy post knee surgery are the same player.

    I'll take injured Gaddy over Goss any time.

    One fought back from a knee injury. the other points the finger at his teammates and quits when things get hard.
    One is the best player on a number one seed, the other never sniffed the tournament after his knee injury.

    We get that you hate Goss, but he's light years better than Gaddy, it's not even close.
    He's not the best player on Gonzaga.

    HTH
    Mark Few disagrees. Goss leads the team in minutes.
  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,123

    dnc said:

    There is some truth to Gaddy being better in a different system. Gaddy fucked himself with his broken jumper though.

    You can't be a horrible athlete and not be able to shoot. If he could shoot, he would have been pretty good. He was a reasonably smart player. He took care of the ball and mostly made the right play.

    Without a shot, his lack of athleticism made it impossible to be any good. That was a huge reason why he had the ranking he did.

    You literally described NWG. Except one is succeeding and one didn't
    Fair point. NWG is a better athlete and more assertive though. NWG is an average athlete. Gaddy is a bad one.

    NWG has always been good. He could always get in the paint and he had that floater. He was better his first game at UW than Gaddy was at any point.
    NWG and Gaddy post knee surgery are the same player.

    I'll take injured Gaddy over Goss any time.

    One fought back from a knee injury. the other points the finger at his teammates and quits when things get hard.
    One is the best player on a number one seed, the other never sniffed the tournament after his knee injury.

    We get that you hate Goss, but he's light years better than Gaddy, it's not even close.
    He's not the best player on Gonzaga.

    HTH
    He is. Rather easily. Maybe Collins is a better future pro, but right now, NWG is the best player on their team.

    Who is better? Karnewski?
    Quality bigs rule CBB.
    Since when? It's guard dominated. UConn won two titles because of Kemba Walker and Napier. Villanova last year.

    Not to say bigs aren't important, but I don't agree that quality bigs rule CBB.
  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,123

    There is some truth to Gaddy being better in a different system. Gaddy fucked himself with his broken jumper though.

    You can't be a horrible athlete and not be able to shoot. If he could shoot, he would have been pretty good. He was a reasonably smart player. He took care of the ball and mostly made the right play.

    Without a shot, his lack of athleticism made it impossible to be any good. That was a huge reason why he had the ranking he did.

    You literally described NWG. Except one is succeeding and one didn't
    Fair point. NWG is a better athlete and more assertive though. NWG is an average athlete. Gaddy is a bad one.

    NWG has always been good. He could always get in the paint and he had that floater. He was better his first game at UW than Gaddy was at any point.
    NWG and Gaddy post knee surgery are the same player.

    I'll take injured Gaddy over Goss any time.

    One fought back from a knee injury. the other points the finger at his teammates and quits when things get hard.
    This is the same as doogs saying they only want players who bleed purple and gold.
  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098
    If NWG is your best player, then you shouldn't be a 1 seed and you're likely not making the Final Four.
  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839

    There is some truth to Gaddy being better in a different system. Gaddy fucked himself with his broken jumper though.

    You can't be a horrible athlete and not be able to shoot. If he could shoot, he would have been pretty good. He was a reasonably smart player. He took care of the ball and mostly made the right play.

    Without a shot, his lack of athleticism made it impossible to be any good. That was a huge reason why he had the ranking he did.

    You literally described NWG. Except one is succeeding and one didn't
    Fair point. NWG is a better athlete and more assertive though. NWG is an average athlete. Gaddy is a bad one.

    NWG has always been good. He could always get in the paint and he had that floater. He was better his first game at UW than Gaddy was at any point.
    NWG and Gaddy post knee surgery are the same player.

    I'll take injured Gaddy over Goss any time.

    One fought back from a knee injury. the other points the finger at his teammates and quits when things get hard.
    This is the same as doogs saying they only want players who BLEED purple and gold.
  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,123
    Tequilla said:

    If NWG is your best player, then you shouldn't be a 1 seed and you're likely not making the Final Four.

    Agree, but that's a completely different argument. That still doesn't mean he's not immensely better than Gaddy.
  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098
    He's a more aggressive scorer than Gaddy ... Gaddy never seemed particularly interested in creating his own shot ...

    The rest of their games aren't that dissimilar
  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839
    Tequilla said:

    If NWG is your best player, then you shouldn't be a 1 seed and you're likely not making the Final Four.

    Of course they're not making the Final 4, they're Gonzaga.
  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,123
    Tequilla said:

    He's a more aggressive scorer than Gaddy ... Gaddy never seemed particularly interested in creating his own shot ...

    The rest of their games aren't that dissimilar

    That's like saying Ricky Rubio is Steve Nash but isn't as good of shooter.
  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839
    edited March 2017
    Tequilla said:

    He's a more aggressive scorer than Gaddy ... Gaddy never seemed particularly interested in creating his own shot ...

    The rest of their games aren't that dissimilar

    You shouldn't be interested in creating your own shot when you shoot 43% from the field...as a senior. To go with free throw percentage of 66% and 3pt of 31%.

    Goss is at 52%, 90% from the line and 37% from three. He's just a significantly better shooter and scorer than Gaddy ever was. They're not that similar. Goss was a better scorer and better shooter from all three levels as a freshman than Gaddy ever.

    And fuck you both for making me talk shit about Gaddy.
  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098
    By rest of their games I was talking more about as passers and defenders ...

    A lot of credit to NWG for taking his off year to become a better shooter ... the 91% from the line this year is really really good. He was a mid-70% shooter his 1st 2 years at Washington though.

    The FG% lines for NWG though I think you have to take with a bit of a grain of salt given the quality of competition between the P12 and WCC ... certainly some of the improvement comes from being a better shooter and perhaps some better shot selection all contribute. Hard to isolate by itself. His 3 point % is similar this year to his first year at Washington ... so I'm more likely to attribute his overall FG% numbers to better shot selection and the quality of competition.
  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839
    edited March 2017
    Tequilla said:

    By rest of their games I was talking more about as passers and defenders ...

    A lot of credit to NWG for taking his off year to become a better shooter ... the 91% from the line this year is really really good. He was a mid-70% shooter his 1st 2 years at Washington though.

    The FG% lines for NWG though I think you have to take with a bit of a grain of salt given the quality of competition between the P12 and WCC ... certainly some of the improvement comes from being a better shooter and perhaps some better shot selection all contribute. Hard to isolate by itself. His 3 point % is similar this year to his first year at Washington ... so I'm more likely to attribute his overall FG% numbers to better shot selection and the quality of competition.

    Perhaps. As you noted, the FT increase is real, that doesn't vary based on competition. Even if you don't give him credit for improving his overall shooting he was a better shooter coming into UW than Gaddy.

    That said, let's look at his performance this year against power 5 teams and others in the kenpom top 100. This will give us twelve games against opponents with an average kenpom ranking of 52.5 (which is dragged down significantly by...Washington). That ranking is better than all but four Pac12 teams, so this would be like playing an above average team in the Pac every game, without the UW dreck non conference.

    This gives him an average from the field of ... 50.4% and 15.9 ppg. So while it's true his numbers might be slightly inflated by playing low level competition, it's not true that you can attribute the majority of his improvement to quality of competition.

    He's gotten better. Which should be expected since he's two years older and under a better coach.
  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,034 Standard Supporter
    dnc said:

    I thought Green would be a decent contributor.

    Ho. Lee. Shit. Was I wrong.

    He too low.
    Bang Ding Ow.