Great Britain too high. They could have won but they would have faced the same kind of price at home that we would face today if we killed all our cousins if we had cousins in a country giving us shit and dumping our tea.
1 Soviets - they had nukes
2. Nazis - they had desire
3. Japan - fuckers were crazy
4. China today
5. Iran today
Fuck the rest
The largest empire in human history too high?
*sigh*
Depends upon which British Empire you're talking about. The one I reference - i.e., that during the Revolutionary War and War of 1812 - was a lot smaller than the "Sun Never Sets Up It" British Empire which didn't really get going until the mid to later 1800's. By that point the only real threat that version of the Empire posed to us was getting the in way of our Manifest Destiny (we should have taken British Columbia) and they were considering recognizing the CSA which would have been bad.
My point was they were a generation away from being the biggest.
If Hitler would have waited for the winter to be over he would have beaten Russia with the force he had.
Japan should have went after China instead of us. If we would have waited another 18 months to enter Britian would have been toast and we would of had a hell of a time making a landing anywhere other than Africa and trying to go in through the Costa Brava region.
Hitler got too impatient and too kill-Jewey too soon.
If Hitler would have waited for the winter to be over he would have beaten Russia with the force he had.
Japan should have went after China instead of us. If we would have waited another 18 months to enter Britian would have been toast and we would of had a hell of a time making a landing anywhere other than Africa and trying to go in through the Costa Brava region.
Hitler got too impatient and too kill-Jewey too soon.
So...
You're saying Hitler needed more time to get his own guys in there?
Great Britain too high. They could have won but they would have faced the same kind of price at home that we would face today if we killed all our cousins if we had cousins in a country giving us shit and dumping our tea.
1 Soviets - they had nukes
2. Nazis - they had desire
3. Japan - fuckers were crazy
4. China today
5. Iran today
Fuck the rest
The largest empire in human history too high?
*sigh*
Depends upon which British Empire you're talking about. The one I reference - i.e., that during the Revolutionary War and War of 1812 - was a lot smaller than the "Sun Never Sets Up It" British Empire which didn't really get going until the mid to later 1800's. By that point the only real threat that version of the Empire posed to us was getting the in way of our Manifest Destiny (we should have taken British Columbia) and they were considering recognizing the CSA which would have been bad.
My point was they were a generation away from being the biggest.
They quit the same way the US did in Vietnam.
That was also my point that you disagreed with. Their quitting was inevitable.
If Hitler would have waited for the winter to be over he would have beaten Russia with the force he had.
Japan should have went after China instead of us. If we would have waited another 18 months to enter Britian would have been toast and we would of had a hell of a time making a landing anywhere other than Africa and trying to go in through the Costa Brava region.
Hitler got too impatient and too kill-Jewey too soon.
The challenge for the Germans in every war has been getting the logistics and timing right. The Schlieffen plan says hi. I don't think it can be understated, no matter how perfect the timing and conditions how difficult it is to conquer the Russians because of the amount of space and sheer amount of cannon fodder and their willingness to use it. Derek Stalin was a master of this. Once the Germans got turned back at the gates of Moscow in December on 1941, their fate was sealed in that they probably couldn't win a war of attrition against Russia, especially with the US entering the war.
In terms of timing, there wasn't much they could do about starting before June as the roads aren't good enough before then. There was no autobahn to Moscow after all. Their odds of success would have probably been higher to focus on first starving out the Brits and taking the Middle East- i.e., cut off their bloodline to the rest of the Empire. In other words, wait until June of 1942. But Hitler was impatient to get on with it, and this wasn't a completely insane gamble. Remember that operation Barbarossa caught Stalin completely off guard and it did almost work. But there were just too many Red Army soldiers to kill and land to conquer and occupy. And if they waited until the following June, that was just another year for Stalin to regroup and rebuild the Red Army after the purges of the later 1930's.
As you point out as well, the Final Solution was a major drain on man power and transportation that could have gone towards the war effort.
Great Britain too high. They could have won but they would have faced the same kind of price at home that we would face today if we killed all our cousins if we had cousins in a country giving us shit and dumping our tea.
1 Soviets - they had nukes
2. Nazis - they had desire
3. Japan - fuckers were crazy
4. China today
5. Iran today
Fuck the rest
The largest empire in human history too high?
*sigh*
Depends upon which British Empire you're talking about. The one I reference - i.e., that during the Revolutionary War and War of 1812 - was a lot smaller than the "Sun Never Sets Up It" British Empire which didn't really get going until the mid to later 1800's. By that point the only real threat that version of the Empire posed to us was getting the in way of our Manifest Destiny (we should have taken British Columbia) and they were considering recognizing the CSA which would have been bad.
My point was they were a generation away from being the biggest.
They quit the same way the US did in Vietnam.
That was also my point that you disagreed with. Their quitting was inevitable.
You're absolutely right Race that their quitting was inevitable, but only after the Continental Army had it's "Tet" moment which was crossing the Deleware- i.e., proof that Washington could keep the Army together and not give up, and Saratoga convinced the French that we could win. When Washington lost NYC it looked like the rout was on and the cause was lost.
If all things were equal I'd have gone with japan. The fact they were willing to kill themselves to kill a few soldiers and had convinced civilians to kill themselves rather than be taken is pretty crazy. Asian people
Big PIA for the early Republic but no existential threat either. Good historical footnote, however, in that this ain't our first rodeo with Muslims.
Indeed. It is one of my favorite lesser known wars of US military history though - I mean, come on, there were PIRATES! and our biggest ally was Sweden.
Muslim pirates are gay. No yo ho ho ho and a bottle of rum.
Great Britain too high. They could have won but they would have faced the same kind of price at home that we would face today if we killed all our cousins if we had cousins in a country giving us shit and dumping our tea.
1 Soviets - they had nukes
2. Nazis - they had desire
3. Japan - fuckers were crazy
4. China today
5. Iran today
Fuck the rest
The largest empire in human history too high?
*sigh*
Depends upon which British Empire you're talking about. The one I reference - i.e., that during the Revolutionary War and War of 1812 - was a lot smaller than the "Sun Never Sets Up It" British Empire which didn't really get going until the mid to later 1800's. By that point the only real threat that version of the Empire posed to us was getting the in way of our Manifest Destiny (we should have taken British Columbia) and they were considering recognizing the CSA which would have been bad.
My point was they were a generation away from being the biggest.
They quit the same way the US did in Vietnam.
That was also my point that you disagreed with. Their quitting was inevitable.
You're absolutely right Race that their quitting was inevitable, but only after the Continental Army had it's "Tet" moment which was crossing the Deleware- i.e., proof that Washington could keep the Army together and not give up, and Saratoga convinced the French that we could win. When Washington lost NYC it looked like the rout was on and the cause was lost.
Yeah, without the alliance with the French it was far from inevitable. Washington created enough sizzle on the field while his top recruiter Ben Franklin was doing at home visits with the Maquis de Lafayette.
Big PIA for the early Republic but no existential threat either. Good historical footnote, however, in that this ain't our first rodeo with Muslims.
Indeed. It is one of my favorite lesser known wars of US military history though - I mean, come on, there were PIRATES! and our biggest ally was Sweden.
Muslim pirates are gay. No yo ho ho ho and a bottle of rum.
Gay pirates? Well, I guess the all that citrus kept away the scurvy.
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They quit the same way the US did in Vietnam.
Japan should have went after China instead of us. If we would have waited another 18 months to enter Britian would have been toast and we would of had a hell of a time making a landing anywhere other than Africa and trying to go in through the Costa Brava region.
Hitler got too impatient and too kill-Jewey too soon.
You're saying Hitler needed more time to get his own guys in there?
In terms of timing, there wasn't much they could do about starting before June as the roads aren't good enough before then. There was no autobahn to Moscow after all. Their odds of success would have probably been higher to focus on first starving out the Brits and taking the Middle East- i.e., cut off their bloodline to the rest of the Empire. In other words, wait until June of 1942. But Hitler was impatient to get on with it, and this wasn't a completely insane gamble. Remember that operation Barbarossa caught Stalin completely off guard and it did almost work. But there were just too many Red Army soldiers to kill and land to conquer and occupy. And if they waited until the following June, that was just another year for Stalin to regroup and rebuild the Red Army after the purges of the later 1930's.
As you point out as well, the Final Solution was a major drain on man power and transportation that could have gone towards the war effort.
WOOF.
Sad!