The only thing I worry about is it looks like he plays against the same competition Shane Brostek played against.
The main reason he's a solid prospect is his height/weight/speed attributes. I'm not sure in this instance the level of competition really matters too much because of that. He's raw regardless.
Level of competition makes basically no difference, ever.
Well I wouldn't go quite that far, but I agree with the general principle.
Outside of maybe 5-10 high school leagues in the country, the vast majority of high-end D1 caliber talent will run circles around the balance of the league that they play in.
For example, you can't look at the film for any player in the state of Washington and try to measure how good they are based on the competition they play against. That's insanely FS ... reminds me of kids that played with my brothers in high school that tried to argue that they were better players because they had more RBIs or whatever.
The reality is that you know a high end D1 player when you see it ... just like you know a high end professional player when you see it when they are playing in college.
You aren't going to 1-up Dennis ... stop trying.
I wasn't tried to one-up anyone. He had said it makes no difference at all, "ever". You yourself said there are a few select leagues where the level of competition is raised and you can base some of their play of their opponents. There are some players who are overlooked BECAUSE of lack of competition, who end up going to small schools and still impress professional scouts, so it does matter to a small extent.
I probably didn't explain fully the point I was trying to make ...
HS stats are for the most part meaningless because it's difficult to ascertain the quality of competition. Now, for some leagues where the competition is good, there's something to be said for being able to understand how abilities translate ... but it's not a major factor. What's more important is that in those leagues you can see how the player reacts to playing against high end competition and it probably illustrates what they need to work on better. What you can't do in HS levels is look at stat totals and try to make anything out of it ... Jake Sirmon to me is a great example ...
@DerekJohnson has a well stated opinion that Sirmon doesn't impress him in large part because he had a 6 INT game as a sophomore against Woodinville (a program he's close to) and in addition to that didn't like his body language and intangibles at that point. At the HS level though, there's so much that goes into it though ... what kind of protection was he getting from his OL (many of whom are his size or smaller)? What was the play of the WRs - were they rounding their routes allowing to be undercut? Were the WRs not getting separation? How much was Sirmon forcing the ball relying on his arm to throw guys open that aren't there?
There are so many things that go into the process of evaluating a recruit ... the two things that I look at the most are do you have the obvious physical skills necessary to play at the next level and what's the player's IQ level to understand and adjust to the game ... I can't stand the guys that basically act like "I'm the best in HS and that will translate and I'll be the best going forward" ... those guys can go to USC.
As for guys that are under the radar and get overlooked, that happens no question. And while I'm not saying that we should ignore those players (that's what having a good network is for) ... we shouldn't be looking at those players as anything other than the last player or two in our class. Those are the kinds of kids that the Oregon State's of the world need to be successful.
The only thing I worry about is it looks like he plays against the same competition Shane Brostek played against.
The main reason he's a solid prospect is his height/weight/speed attributes. I'm not sure in this instance the level of competition really matters too much because of that. He's raw regardless.
Level of competition makes basically no difference, ever.
Well I wouldn't go quite that far, but I agree with the general principle.
Outside of maybe 5-10 high school leagues in the country, the vast majority of high-end D1 caliber talent will run circles around the balance of the league that they play in.
For example, you can't look at the film for any player in the state of Washington and try to measure how good they are based on the competition they play against. That's insanely FS ... reminds me of kids that played with my brothers in high school that tried to argue that they were better players because they had more RBIs or whatever.
The reality is that you know a high end D1 player when you see it ... just like you know a high end professional player when you see it when they are playing in college.
You aren't going to 1-up Dennis ... stop trying.
I wasn't tried to one-up anyone. He had said it makes no difference at all, "ever". You yourself said there are a few select leagues where the level of competition is raised and you can base some of their play of their opponents. There are some players who are overlooked BECAUSE of lack of competition, who end up going to small schools and still impress professional scouts, so it does matter to a small extent.
I probably didn't explain fully the point I was trying to make ...
HS stats are for the most part meaningless because it's difficult to ascertain the quality of competition. Now, for some leagues where the competition is good, there's something to be said for being able to understand how abilities translate ... but it's not a major factor. What's more important is that in those leagues you can see how the player reacts to playing against high end competition and it probably illustrates what they need to work on better. What you can't do in HS levels is look at stat totals and try to make anything out of it ... Jake Sirmon to me is a great example ...
@DerekJohnson has a well stated opinion that Sirmon doesn't impress him in large part because he had a 6 INT game as a sophomore against Woodinville (a program he's close to) and in addition to that didn't like his body language and intangibles at that point. At the HS level though, there's so much that goes into it though ... what kind of protection was he getting from his OL (many of whom are his size or smaller)? What was the play of the WRs - were they rounding their routes allowing to be undercut? Were the WRs not getting separation? How much was Sirmon forcing the ball relying on his arm to throw guys open that aren't there?
There are so many things that go into the process of evaluating a recruit ... the two things that I look at the most are do you have the obvious physical skills necessary to play at the next level and what's the player's IQ level to understand and adjust to the game ... I can't stand the guys that basically act like "I'm the best in HS and that will translate and I'll be the best going forward" ... those guys can go to USC.
As for guys that are under the radar and get overlooked, that happens no question. And while I'm not saying that we should ignore those players (that's what having a good network is for) ... we shouldn't be looking at those players as anything other than the last player or two in our class. Those are the kinds of kids that the Oregon State's of the world need to be successful.
See my treatise on recruiting: We recruit kids at BUCK, NICKEL and 'CHICO' because kids love to think they are special and will be allowed to do it all because they are so amazingly talented. Then when they get on campus we put them at the position that makes sense.
Zion played with his hand down 'some' at camp by the coaches' request and spent the rest of the time at BUCK. He'll end up inside I think. I don't think he's fast-twitch enough to play BUCK in our D.
Gonna assume that based on Ruth's blurry crystal ball, our recent offer of martin, and the increased recruitment of wren that this kid has missed his chance
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HS stats are for the most part meaningless because it's difficult to ascertain the quality of competition. Now, for some leagues where the competition is good, there's something to be said for being able to understand how abilities translate ... but it's not a major factor. What's more important is that in those leagues you can see how the player reacts to playing against high end competition and it probably illustrates what they need to work on better. What you can't do in HS levels is look at stat totals and try to make anything out of it ... Jake Sirmon to me is a great example ...
@DerekJohnson has a well stated opinion that Sirmon doesn't impress him in large part because he had a 6 INT game as a sophomore against Woodinville (a program he's close to) and in addition to that didn't like his body language and intangibles at that point. At the HS level though, there's so much that goes into it though ... what kind of protection was he getting from his OL (many of whom are his size or smaller)? What was the play of the WRs - were they rounding their routes allowing to be undercut? Were the WRs not getting separation? How much was Sirmon forcing the ball relying on his arm to throw guys open that aren't there?
There are so many things that go into the process of evaluating a recruit ... the two things that I look at the most are do you have the obvious physical skills necessary to play at the next level and what's the player's IQ level to understand and adjust to the game ... I can't stand the guys that basically act like "I'm the best in HS and that will translate and I'll be the best going forward" ... those guys can go to USC.
As for guys that are under the radar and get overlooked, that happens no question. And while I'm not saying that we should ignore those players (that's what having a good network is for) ... we shouldn't be looking at those players as anything other than the last player or two in our class. Those are the kinds of kids that the Oregon State's of the world need to be successful.
HTH
Zion played with his hand down 'some' at camp by the coaches' request and spent the rest of the time at BUCK. He'll end up inside I think. I don't think he's fast-twitch enough to play BUCK in our D.