The only thing I worry about is it looks like he plays against the same competition Shane Brostek played against.
The main reason he's a solid prospect is his height/weight/speed attributes. I'm not sure in this instance the level of competition really matters too much because of that. He's raw regardless.
Level of competition makes basically no difference, ever.
Well I wouldn't go quite that far, but I agree with the general principle.
Outside of maybe 5-10 high school leagues in the country, the vast majority of high-end D1 caliber talent will run circles around the balance of the league that they play in.
For example, you can't look at the film for any player in the state of Washington and try to measure how good they are based on the competition they play against. That's insanely FS ... reminds me of kids that played with my brothers in high school that tried to argue that they were better players because they had more RBIs or whatever.
The reality is that you know a high end D1 player when you see it ... just like you know a high end professional player when you see it when they are playing in college.
You aren't going to 1-up Dennis ... stop trying.
I wasn't tried to one-up anyone. He had said it makes no difference at all, "ever". You yourself said there are a few select leagues where the level of competition is raised and you can base some of their play of their opponents. There are some players who are overlooked BECAUSE of lack of competition, who end up going to small schools and still impress professional scouts, so it does matter to a small extent.
I probably didn't explain fully the point I was trying to make ...
HS stats are for the most part meaningless because it's difficult to ascertain the quality of competition. Now, for some leagues where the competition is good, there's something to be said for being able to understand how abilities translate ... but it's not a major factor. What's more important is that in those leagues you can see how the player reacts to playing against high end competition and it probably illustrates what they need to work on better. What you can't do in HS levels is look at stat totals and try to make anything out of it ... Jake Sirmon to me is a great example ...
@DerekJohnson has a well stated opinion that Sirmon doesn't impress him in large part because he had a 6 INT game as a sophomore against Woodinville (a program he's close to) and in addition to that didn't like his body language and intangibles at that point. At the HS level though, there's so much that goes into it though ... what kind of protection was he getting from his OL (many of whom are his size or smaller)? What was the play of the WRs - were they rounding their routes allowing to be undercut? Were the WRs not getting separation? How much was Sirmon forcing the ball relying on his arm to throw guys open that aren't there?
There are so many things that go into the process of evaluating a recruit ... the two things that I look at the most are do you have the obvious physical skills necessary to play at the next level and what's the player's IQ level to understand and adjust to the game ... I can't stand the guys that basically act like "I'm the best in HS and that will translate and I'll be the best going forward" ... those guys can go to USC.
As for guys that are under the radar and get overlooked, that happens no question. And while I'm not saying that we should ignore those players (that's what having a good network is for) ... we shouldn't be looking at those players as anything other than the last player or two in our class. Those are the kinds of kids that the Oregon State's of the world need to be successful.
Nybe . Stats aren’t everything and players don’t always pan out, but production is fucking important.
The Sirmon excuses were always crazy. Playing as bad as he did for a traditionally winning high school was always a bad sign. Bothel is typically a playoff team.
6 picks is bad no matter what. There doesn’t need to be any context. I understand liking Sirmon for his size and physical talent, but glossing over the 6 picks and pretending that myself and others were FS for stating that is was a bad sign always bothered me.
Derek saw Sirmon live at multiple games and wasn’t impressed and took some heat for that for reasons I’m still not entirely sure of.
The recrootin bored is much more entertaining than I expected.
dude find the marlon tui fucking meltdown. that shiet is comedy gold. you would think i was giving birth through my anus that night.
To be fair, that level of panic over a recruit was completely warranted. Look at the year Marlon is having.
Sure would be nice to have Marlon now. It was a big loss. He’s good at USC. He would be even better for UW because our coaching is a lot better.
totally agree.
you could also tell by the way he interacted with peterman post game.
it was a warm, kinda like "i'm really sorry coach ... I was a dawg but it became out of my hands and I had to go with the family decision ..."
the non-verbals were like that.
he would have been awesome here.
Never got mad at him, Henry or Kaho because at the end of the day they were doing what they thought was best for their family. Glad it worked out for Marlon and Henry, sad to see how it's gone for Kaho.
@sonics1993 post more, you are a nice addition to this community, glad you didn’t leave. I will go back to lurking shortly but I wanted to show my appreciation before I go.
The recrootin bored is much more entertaining than I expected.
dude find the marlon tui fucking meltdown. that shiet is comedy gold. you would think i was giving birth through my anus that night.
To be fair, that level of panic over a recruit was completely warranted. Look at the year Marlon is having.
Sure would be nice to have Marlon now. It was a big loss. He’s good at USC. He would be even better for UW because our coaching is a lot better.
totally agree.
you could also tell by the way he interacted with peterman post game.
it was a warm, kinda like "i'm really sorry coach ... I was a dawg but it became out of my hands and I had to go with the family decision ..."
the non-verbals were like that.
he would have been awesome here.
Never got mad at him, Henry or Kaho because at the end of the day they were doing what they thought was best for their family. Glad it worked out for Marlon and Henry, sad to see how it's gone for Kaho.
@sonics1993 post more, you are a nice addition to this community, glad you didn’t leave. I will go back to lurking shortly but I wanted to show my appreciation before I go.
Dude is cool, but has blackeye for almost getting ran out by @backthepack out of all people
The recrootin bored is much more entertaining than I expected.
dude find the marlon tui fucking meltdown. that shiet is comedy gold. you would think i was giving birth through my anus that night.
To be fair, that level of panic over a recruit was completely warranted. Look at the year Marlon is having.
Sure would be nice to have Marlon now. It was a big loss. He’s good at USC. He would be even better for UW because our coaching is a lot better.
totally agree.
you could also tell by the way he interacted with peterman post game.
it was a warm, kinda like "i'm really sorry coach ... I was a dawg but it became out of my hands and I had to go with the family decision ..."
the non-verbals were like that.
he would have been awesome here.
Never got mad at him, Henry or Kaho because at the end of the day they were doing what they thought was best for their family. Glad it worked out for Marlon and Henry, sad to see how it's gone for Kaho.
@sonics1993 post more, you are a nice addition to this community, glad you didn’t leave. I will go back to lurking shortly but I wanted to show my appreciation before I go.
Dude is cool, but has blackeye for almost getting ran out by @backthepack out of all people
The only thing I worry about is it looks like he plays against the same competition Shane Brostek played against.
The main reason he's a solid prospect is his height/weight/speed attributes. I'm not sure in this instance the level of competition really matters too much because of that. He's raw regardless.
Level of competition makes basically no difference, ever.
Well I wouldn't go quite that far, but I agree with the general principle.
Outside of maybe 5-10 high school leagues in the country, the vast majority of high-end D1 caliber talent will run circles around the balance of the league that they play in.
For example, you can't look at the film for any player in the state of Washington and try to measure how good they are based on the competition they play against. That's insanely FS ... reminds me of kids that played with my brothers in high school that tried to argue that they were better players because they had more RBIs or whatever.
The reality is that you know a high end D1 player when you see it ... just like you know a high end professional player when you see it when they are playing in college.
You aren't going to 1-up Dennis ... stop trying.
I wasn't tried to one-up anyone. He had said it makes no difference at all, "ever". You yourself said there are a few select leagues where the level of competition is raised and you can base some of their play of their opponents. There are some players who are overlooked BECAUSE of lack of competition, who end up going to small schools and still impress professional scouts, so it does matter to a small extent.
I probably didn't explain fully the point I was trying to make ...
HS stats are for the most part meaningless because it's difficult to ascertain the quality of competition. Now, for some leagues where the competition is good, there's something to be said for being able to understand how abilities translate ... but it's not a major factor. What's more important is that in those leagues you can see how the player reacts to playing against high end competition and it probably illustrates what they need to work on better. What you can't do in HS levels is look at stat totals and try to make anything out of it ... Jake Sirmon to me is a great example ...
@DerekJohnson has a well stated opinion that Sirmon doesn't impress him in large part because he had a 6 INT game as a sophomore against Woodinville (a program he's close to) and in addition to that didn't like his body language and intangibles at that point. At the HS level though, there's so much that goes into it though ... what kind of protection was he getting from his OL (many of whom are his size or smaller)? What was the play of the WRs - were they rounding their routes allowing to be undercut? Were the WRs not getting separation? How much was Sirmon forcing the ball relying on his arm to throw guys open that aren't there?
There are so many things that go into the process of evaluating a recruit ... the two things that I look at the most are do you have the obvious physical skills necessary to play at the next level and what's the player's IQ level to understand and adjust to the game ... I can't stand the guys that basically act like "I'm the best in HS and that will translate and I'll be the best going forward" ... those guys can go to USC.
As for guys that are under the radar and get overlooked, that happens no question. And while I'm not saying that we should ignore those players (that's what having a good network is for) ... we shouldn't be looking at those players as anything other than the last player or two in our class. Those are the kinds of kids that the Oregon State's of the world need to be successful.
Nybe . Stats aren’t everything and players don’t always pan out, but production is fucking important.
The Sirmon excuses were always crazy. Playing as bad as he did for a traditionally winning high school was always a bad sign. Bothel is typically a playoff team.
6 picks is bad no matter what. There doesn’t need to be any context. I understand liking Sirmon for his size and physical talent, but glossing over the 6 picks and pretending that myself and others were FS for stating that is was a bad sign always bothered me.
Derek saw Sirmon live at multiple games and wasn’t impressed and took some heat for that for reasons I’m still not entirely sure of.
Kids deserve the opportunity to grow and improve ... not interested in burying a talented kid with good tools because of a bad high school game
By most accounts Sirmon (a 4-star) was edged out for the job by Morris (a 4-star) ... it’s far from this massive upset
The recrootin bored is much more entertaining than I expected.
dude find the marlon tui fucking meltdown. that shiet is comedy gold. you would think i was giving birth through my anus that night.
To be fair, that level of panic over a recruit was completely warranted. Look at the year Marlon is having.
Sure would be nice to have Marlon now. It was a big loss. He’s good at USC. He would be even better for UW because our coaching is a lot better.
totally agree.
you could also tell by the way he interacted with peterman post game.
it was a warm, kinda like "i'm really sorry coach ... I was a dawg but it became out of my hands and I had to go with the family decision ..."
the non-verbals were like that.
he would have been awesome here.
Never got mad at him, Henry or Kaho because at the end of the day they were doing what they thought was best for their family. Glad it worked out for Marlon and Henry, sad to see how it's gone for Kaho.
@sonics1993 post more, you are a nice addition to this community, glad you didn’t leave. I will go back to lurking shortly but I wanted to show my appreciation before I go.
Dude is cool, but has blackeye for almost getting ran out by @backthepack out of all people
Fuck this kid. I wanted Malik-Mclain and/or Martin. You know, black people with offers from USC and Ohio State. Not some Poly kid with offers from Cal and Vandy. We never get who we want.
So, I don't think these things are mutually exclusive, but I heartily agree with the sentiment. This kid and Tafisi - we are just hitting pars and bogies.
I would call this kid a par and Tafisi a bogie.
We need to start hitting some fucking birdies.
So far in this class we have Yankoff, Lowe, Spiker, Osborne, Mele and Curne as birdies. Everyone else is par or bogies.
So this was slightly off...
Also, Jeremiah Martin has a grand total of 1 tackle this year and seems like he's mostly playing special teams.
Fuck this kid. I wanted Malik-Mclain and/or Martin. You know, black people with offers from USC and Ohio State. Not some Poly kid with offers from Cal and Vandy. We never get who we want.
So, I don't think these things are mutually exclusive, but I heartily agree with the sentiment. This kid and Tafisi - we are just hitting pars and bogies.
I would call this kid a par and Tafisi a bogie.
We need to start hitting some fucking birdies.
So far in this class we have Yankoff, Lowe, Spiker, Osborne, Mele and Curne as birdies. Everyone else is par or bogies.
So this was slightly off...
Also, Jeremiah Martin has a grand total of 1 tackle this year and seems like he's mostly playing special teams.
This staff is really good at developing talent.
To be fair, isn't a lower score in golf better? He was a goooood golfer when it came to evaluating that class. Super low score.
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By most accounts Sirmon (a 4-star) was edged out for the job by Morris (a 4-star) ... it’s far from this massive upset
Also, Jeremiah Martin has a grand total of 1 tackle this year and seems like he's mostly playing special teams.
This staff is really good at developing talent.
dude put on some serious weight compared to what he was 3 years ago