Marlon Tuipulotu visiting USC this weekend
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No argument, but if the kid came on his visit and told Pete he was in last weekend, what can they do? There is the chance that didn't happen, but that's the information we have. They can't keep a 24/7 watch on the kid and I don't think that's how this program works.Passion said:
Obviously you make a good point, but let's not forget that Pete himself said that the key to getting UW back on top is "recruiting and developing good defensive linemen."RoadDawg55 said:
Everyone realizes this sucks. Tui was the most important commit in the class, partly because he's a monster and partly because of need. We are stuck here with our dick in our hand. It sucks.Tequilla said:
That has nothing to do with it and you know it ...bananasnblondes said:
I'm sorry that they let you down. When will Pete and Malloe be over to your house to beg for your forgiveness and take your advice on NCAA recruiting?Tequilla said:
It would be very hypocritical of Pete to have his standards and then still take him if it went down the way it has been alleged to have gone down ...CuntWaffle said:
I know your being sarcastic but if the rumors are true that Malloe flew in Thursday and got blown off by the entire family who is trying to keep this undercover (I assume just in case something doesn't work out) then I'm pretty sure that relationship is pretty much nuked.HUSKYFANATIC said:HE STAYING
There's something about being caught unprepared that isn't sitting well with me.
For the balance of this class, this was the only DL we were recruiting. It was established early on that we were taking 1, at most 2, DL in this class.
We locked the verbal in back in April ... the job from that point forward for Malloe was to have his finger on the pulse of Marlon and the family to make sure that he knew everything that was going on. I think it's fair to say that for whatever reason he didn't.
So what happened here? What was the breakdown? It's way too doogish to me to just sit there and say "oh, SC showed interest and offered a job to the brother and that was that" or "we just can't compete with SC in recruiting" ... no matter how much truth is in each of those statements.
There is this threshold that I look at on things about what was known or knowable ... there seems to be enough other things going on here that make me think that this should have been known or knowable ... the debatable item is when it was that ... but we didn't magically find ourselves in trouble here just this week.
Where you and these other completely lose me is the Malloe bashing and overdramatic bullshit about how he needs to be on watch. The DL was a huge reason for our success. They all improved, some greatly under Malloe last year. You fucks that put recruiting ahead actual on field production? You continue to not get it.
Also, Kwiatkowski is the exceptional DL coach on this staff. Make no miatake.
A guy commits, Petersen tells him he's one of them, they have his back, they will take care of him, but they need his commitment in return. That seems to be the message behind UW's recruiting philosophy. It sucks. -
Trust the process, I guess. Damn ...
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Not far fetched at all for that to happen depending on the causes of the Client going elsewhere ...RoadDawg55 said:
So in a business setting, a big client (Tui) commits to the deal in person in front of the boss (Peterson) and the sales rep (Malloe), you fire the sales rep when the client finds a better deal?Tequilla said:This isn't just about Malloe ... this is something where IMO we really need to take stock of what happened not only with Tui but also with Wedington ...
I'd agree that it is an over-reaction to just say that anybody should be fired ... a compete and total evaluation of the breakdown(s) need to be figured out to determine if the source is more systematic or just misses where we should have better seen this coming.
That being said, it is completely dooging head in sand behavior to not view this as a major concern. These kinds of misses in the business world can cost jobs ... not an understatement. The foundation of success starts with recruiting. Our surest path to success is to be dominate on both lines ... Pete has said as much.
Fixing problems when it is obviously that things are broken is too late ... it is imparative that whatever broke down is isolated to a 2017 issue and doesn't bleed into 2018.
Whether business or coaching, I've seen plenty of examples of people losing their jobs as executives hold point people under them responsible for missing targets ... often targets missed because of their inability to close big deals (for sales). -
Hahahaha, THISRoadDawg55 said:
So in a business setting, a big client (Tui) commits to the deal in person in front of the boss (Peterson) and the sales rep (Malloe), you fire the sales rep when the client finds a better deal?Tequilla said:This isn't just about Malloe ... this is something where IMO we really need to take stock of what happened not only with Tui but also with Wedington ...
I'd agree that it is an over-reaction to just say that anybody should be fired ... a compete and total evaluation of the breakdown(s) need to be figured out to determine if the source is more systematic or just misses where we should have better seen this coming.
That being said, it is completely dooging head in sand behavior to not view this as a major concern. These kinds of misses in the business world can cost jobs ... not an understatement. The foundation of success starts with recruiting. Our surest path to success is to be dominate on both lines ... Pete has said as much.
Fixing problems when it is obviously that things are broken is too late ... it is imparative that whatever broke down is isolated to a 2017 issue and doesn't bleed into 2018.
Tequilla's "business world" analogy couldn't have been any further from reality.... -
The challenge is sifting through the words and the actions ...RoadDawg55 said:
No argument, but if the kid came on his visit and told Pete he was in last weekend, what can they do? There is the chance that didn't happen, but that's the information we have. They can't keep a 24/7 watch on the kid and I don't think that's how this program works.Passion said:
Obviously you make a good point, but let's not forget that Pete himself said that the key to getting UW back on top is "recruiting and developing good defensive linemen."RoadDawg55 said:
Everyone realizes this sucks. Tui was the most important commit in the class, partly because he's a monster and partly because of need. We are stuck here with our dick in our hand. It sucks.Tequilla said:
That has nothing to do with it and you know it ...bananasnblondes said:
I'm sorry that they let you down. When will Pete and Malloe be over to your house to beg for your forgiveness and take your advice on NCAA recruiting?Tequilla said:
It would be very hypocritical of Pete to have his standards and then still take him if it went down the way it has been alleged to have gone down ...CuntWaffle said:
I know your being sarcastic but if the rumors are true that Malloe flew in Thursday and got blown off by the entire family who is trying to keep this undercover (I assume just in case something doesn't work out) then I'm pretty sure that relationship is pretty much nuked.HUSKYFANATIC said:HE STAYING
There's something about being caught unprepared that isn't sitting well with me.
For the balance of this class, this was the only DL we were recruiting. It was established early on that we were taking 1, at most 2, DL in this class.
We locked the verbal in back in April ... the job from that point forward for Malloe was to have his finger on the pulse of Marlon and the family to make sure that he knew everything that was going on. I think it's fair to say that for whatever reason he didn't.
So what happened here? What was the breakdown? It's way too doogish to me to just sit there and say "oh, SC showed interest and offered a job to the brother and that was that" or "we just can't compete with SC in recruiting" ... no matter how much truth is in each of those statements.
There is this threshold that I look at on things about what was known or knowable ... there seems to be enough other things going on here that make me think that this should have been known or knowable ... the debatable item is when it was that ... but we didn't magically find ourselves in trouble here just this week.
Where you and these other completely lose me is the Malloe bashing and overdramatic bullshit about how he needs to be on watch. The DL was a huge reason for our success. They all improved, some greatly under Malloe last year. You fucks that put recruiting ahead actual on field production? You continue to not get it.
Also, Kwiatkowski is the exceptional DL coach on this staff. Make no miatake.
A guy commits, Petersen tells him he's one of them, they have his back, they will take care of him, but they need his commitment in return. That seems to be the message behind UW's recruiting philosophy. It sucks.
You sound like somebody I know this year that told me that they consider words to speak louder than actions ...
If you have good gut feelings and reactions, you can tell when something isn't adding up. -
Losing a top 5 DT in the country is considered a fuck-up of epic proportions. This is a result oriented business, people only care about results not excuses.Tequilla said:
Not far fetched at all for that to happen depending on the causes of the Client going elsewhere ...RoadDawg55 said:
So in a business setting, a big client (Tui) commits to the deal in person in front of the boss (Peterson) and the sales rep (Malloe), you fire the sales rep when the client finds a better deal?Tequilla said:This isn't just about Malloe ... this is something where IMO we really need to take stock of what happened not only with Tui but also with Wedington ...
I'd agree that it is an over-reaction to just say that anybody should be fired ... a compete and total evaluation of the breakdown(s) need to be figured out to determine if the source is more systematic or just misses where we should have better seen this coming.
That being said, it is completely dooging head in sand behavior to not view this as a major concern. These kinds of misses in the business world can cost jobs ... not an understatement. The foundation of success starts with recruiting. Our surest path to success is to be dominate on both lines ... Pete has said as much.
Fixing problems when it is obviously that things are broken is too late ... it is imparative that whatever broke down is isolated to a 2017 issue and doesn't bleed into 2018.
Whether business or coaching, I've seen plenty of examples of people losing their jobs as executives hold point people under them responsible for missing targets ... often targets missed because of their inability to close big deals (for sales). -
You sure as shit find out why your rep failed to present your value in a manner that was impossible to refuse. A better deal isn't possible if you've done your homework.RoadDawg55 said:
So in a business setting, a big client (Tui) commits to the deal in person in front of the boss (Peterson) and the sales rep (Malloe), you fire the sales rep when the client finds a better deal?Tequilla said:This isn't just about Malloe ... this is something where IMO we really need to take stock of what happened not only with Tui but also with Wedington ...
I'd agree that it is an over-reaction to just say that anybody should be fired ... a compete and total evaluation of the breakdown(s) need to be figured out to determine if the source is more systematic or just misses where we should have better seen this coming.
That being said, it is completely dooging head in sand behavior to not view this as a major concern. These kinds of misses in the business world can cost jobs ... not an understatement. The foundation of success starts with recruiting. Our surest path to success is to be dominate on both lines ... Pete has said as much.
Fixing problems when it is obviously that things are broken is too late ... it is imparative that whatever broke down is isolated to a 2017 issue and doesn't bleed into 2018. -
The results were 12-2 on the field this past yearWeakarmCobra said:
Losing a top 5 DT in the country is considered a fuck-up of epic proportions. This is a result oriented business, people only care about results not excuses.Tequilla said:
Not far fetched at all for that to happen depending on the causes of the Client going elsewhere ...RoadDawg55 said:
So in a business setting, a big client (Tui) commits to the deal in person in front of the boss (Peterson) and the sales rep (Malloe), you fire the sales rep when the client finds a better deal?Tequilla said:This isn't just about Malloe ... this is something where IMO we really need to take stock of what happened not only with Tui but also with Wedington ...
I'd agree that it is an over-reaction to just say that anybody should be fired ... a compete and total evaluation of the breakdown(s) need to be figured out to determine if the source is more systematic or just misses where we should have better seen this coming.
That being said, it is completely dooging head in sand behavior to not view this as a major concern. These kinds of misses in the business world can cost jobs ... not an understatement. The foundation of success starts with recruiting. Our surest path to success is to be dominate on both lines ... Pete has said as much.
Fixing problems when it is obviously that things are broken is too late ... it is imparative that whatever broke down is isolated to a 2017 issue and doesn't bleed into 2018.
Whether business or coaching, I've seen plenty of examples of people losing their jobs as executives hold point people under them responsible for missing targets ... often targets missed because of their inability to close big deals (for sales). -
If a company loses a deal towards the end of the year that causes them to go from meeting annual targets to a significant miss, you lead a sheltered professional life.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Hahahaha, THISRoadDawg55 said:
So in a business setting, a big client (Tui) commits to the deal in person in front of the boss (Peterson) and the sales rep (Malloe), you fire the sales rep when the client finds a better deal?Tequilla said:This isn't just about Malloe ... this is something where IMO we really need to take stock of what happened not only with Tui but also with Wedington ...
I'd agree that it is an over-reaction to just say that anybody should be fired ... a compete and total evaluation of the breakdown(s) need to be figured out to determine if the source is more systematic or just misses where we should have better seen this coming.
That being said, it is completely dooging head in sand behavior to not view this as a major concern. These kinds of misses in the business world can cost jobs ... not an understatement. The foundation of success starts with recruiting. Our surest path to success is to be dominate on both lines ... Pete has said as much.
Fixing problems when it is obviously that things are broken is too late ... it is imparative that whatever broke down is isolated to a 2017 issue and doesn't bleed into 2018.
Tequilla's "business world" analogy couldn't have been any further from reality....
It's not a guarantee that someone gets scapegoated for it ... but far from a surprise to anybody. -
Yeah, a better deal is possible.minion_doog said:
You sure as shit find out why your rep failed to present your value in a manner that was impossible to refuse. A better deal isn't possible if you've done your homework.RoadDawg55 said:
So in a business setting, a big client (Tui) commits to the deal in person in front of the boss (Peterson) and the sales rep (Malloe), you fire the sales rep when the client finds a better deal?Tequilla said:This isn't just about Malloe ... this is something where IMO we really need to take stock of what happened not only with Tui but also with Wedington ...
I'd agree that it is an over-reaction to just say that anybody should be fired ... a compete and total evaluation of the breakdown(s) need to be figured out to determine if the source is more systematic or just misses where we should have better seen this coming.
That being said, it is completely dooging head in sand behavior to not view this as a major concern. These kinds of misses in the business world can cost jobs ... not an understatement. The foundation of success starts with recruiting. Our surest path to success is to be dominate on both lines ... Pete has said as much.
Fixing problems when it is obviously that things are broken is too late ... it is imparative that whatever broke down is isolated to a 2017 issue and doesn't bleed into 2018.
It turns out Martha the CPO's daughter just got engaged to the jackass at competitor X...competitor X inks the deal while you sit around wondering what the fuck happened.
Weird shit happens, and just because something goes wrong doesn't mean fire everyone if you're a fucking college playoff team. -
[–]CMSPIRATE 5 points 5 hours ago
Does anyone know the context for the BUTTFUCKER pic someone posted? I laughed so hard
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lmao, we? made it guys, we? fuckin made it.
edit: lion69 clearly gets it/poasts here:
Washington Huskieslion69NW 2 points an hour ago
Where to even begin...
Hardcore Husky is a collection of fans that have been pissed off at the university admin, the athletic department, the coaches, the players, and other husky fans content with horrible football for the previous 15 years
There are about 75,000 recurring jokes, that 81% of the time are funny...even after 23 times -
Getting good players is like making an investment. Just because we are good now, does not mean we will be good tomorrow. So it is imperative we get good players into the program so that we are good today and tomorrow.CuntWaffle said:
The results were 12-2 on the field this past yearWeakarmCobra said:
Losing a top 5 DT in the country is considered a fuck-up of epic proportions. This is a result oriented business, people only care about results not excuses.Tequilla said:
Not far fetched at all for that to happen depending on the causes of the Client going elsewhere ...RoadDawg55 said:
So in a business setting, a big client (Tui) commits to the deal in person in front of the boss (Peterson) and the sales rep (Malloe), you fire the sales rep when the client finds a better deal?Tequilla said:This isn't just about Malloe ... this is something where IMO we really need to take stock of what happened not only with Tui but also with Wedington ...
I'd agree that it is an over-reaction to just say that anybody should be fired ... a compete and total evaluation of the breakdown(s) need to be figured out to determine if the source is more systematic or just misses where we should have better seen this coming.
That being said, it is completely dooging head in sand behavior to not view this as a major concern. These kinds of misses in the business world can cost jobs ... not an understatement. The foundation of success starts with recruiting. Our surest path to success is to be dominate on both lines ... Pete has said as much.
Fixing problems when it is obviously that things are broken is too late ... it is imparative that whatever broke down is isolated to a 2017 issue and doesn't bleed into 2018.
Whether business or coaching, I've seen plenty of examples of people losing their jobs as executives hold point people under them responsible for missing targets ... often targets missed because of their inability to close big deals (for sales). -
Well nobody is. If you really need someone to blame though, it's Petersen.Tequilla said:
If a company loses a deal towards the end of the year that causes them to go from meeting annual targets to a significant miss, you lead a sheltered professional life.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Hahahaha, THISRoadDawg55 said:
So in a business setting, a big client (Tui) commits to the deal in person in front of the boss (Peterson) and the sales rep (Malloe), you fire the sales rep when the client finds a better deal?Tequilla said:This isn't just about Malloe ... this is something where IMO we really need to take stock of what happened not only with Tui but also with Wedington ...
I'd agree that it is an over-reaction to just say that anybody should be fired ... a compete and total evaluation of the breakdown(s) need to be figured out to determine if the source is more systematic or just misses where we should have better seen this coming.
That being said, it is completely dooging head in sand behavior to not view this as a major concern. These kinds of misses in the business world can cost jobs ... not an understatement. The foundation of success starts with recruiting. Our surest path to success is to be dominate on both lines ... Pete has said as much.
Fixing problems when it is obviously that things are broken is too late ... it is imparative that whatever broke down is isolated to a 2017 issue and doesn't bleed into 2018.
Tequilla's "business world" analogy couldn't have been any further from reality....
It's not a guarantee that someone gets scapegoated for it ... but far from a surprise to anybody.
This year has had the first two decommitments under Petersen. It was bound to happen. It's way too early and premature to act like it's broken, especially when the team just went 12-2 and will enter as a top 10 team next year.
It's a whole different argument if he went 8-5 this year and next year wasn't looking promising. -
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[–]CMSPIRATE 5 points 5 hours ago
Does anyone know the context for the BUTTFUCKER pic someone posted? I laughed so hard
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lmao, we? made it guys, we? fuckin made it.
edit: lion69 clearly gets it/poasts here:
Washington Huskieslion69NW 2 points an hour ago
Where to even begin...
Hardcore Husky is a collection of fans that have been pissed off at the university admin, the athletic department, the coaches, the players, and other husky fans content with horrible football for the previous 15 years
There are about 75,000 recurring jokes, that 81% of the time are funny...even after 23 times -
He may be gone, but don't think its 100%.
Grand scheme of things...Nansen is a fat gomer who should have gotten run out of the program here for being a shitty actual coach. USC's S&C coach is shitty retard who may lead the nation in players injured if you sum up his work at UW and USC, and they have a completely unproven DL coach.
We have the top S&C guy in the country, we have a proven DL system with our DC, we've put lineman in the NFL in the top rounds of the last 2 drafts and will again in at least the next 2...if Peterman gets a chance to "hose him off" after the visit we still have a decent chance. Malloe's job is to make sure Peterman gets that chance.
And if not we'll get to monitor his shoulder injuries the next 5 years as he gets tossed aside for the next shiny 5* recruit that SC replaces him with...
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By your logic the CEO then of any business has his hands tied into every aspect of the business ...RoadDawg55 said:
Well nobody is. If you really need someone to blame though, it's Petersen.Tequilla said:
If a company loses a deal towards the end of the year that causes them to go from meeting annual targets to a significant miss, you lead a sheltered professional life.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Hahahaha, THISRoadDawg55 said:
So in a business setting, a big client (Tui) commits to the deal in person in front of the boss (Peterson) and the sales rep (Malloe), you fire the sales rep when the client finds a better deal?Tequilla said:This isn't just about Malloe ... this is something where IMO we really need to take stock of what happened not only with Tui but also with Wedington ...
I'd agree that it is an over-reaction to just say that anybody should be fired ... a compete and total evaluation of the breakdown(s) need to be figured out to determine if the source is more systematic or just misses where we should have better seen this coming.
That being said, it is completely dooging head in sand behavior to not view this as a major concern. These kinds of misses in the business world can cost jobs ... not an understatement. The foundation of success starts with recruiting. Our surest path to success is to be dominate on both lines ... Pete has said as much.
Fixing problems when it is obviously that things are broken is too late ... it is imparative that whatever broke down is isolated to a 2017 issue and doesn't bleed into 2018.
Tequilla's "business world" analogy couldn't have been any further from reality....
It's not a guarantee that someone gets scapegoated for it ... but far from a surprise to anybody.
This year has had the first two decommitments under Petersen. It was bound to happen. It's way too early and premature to act like it's broken, especially when the team just went 12-2 and will enter as a top 10 team next year.
It's a whole different argument if he went 8-5 this year and next year wasn't looking promising.
In any significant business deal, no question the CEO's get involved at some point. But the ground work for the deal is laid often well before the C-level's get into the picture.
The balance of the recruiting contact with any recruit is done at the assistant level not the HC level ... partly because of the rules against HC contact.
Now, I don't disagree with you that Pete needs to take a look at the decommitments in this class and try to figure out what has caused that to happen. I've said as much almost initially upon hearing the news because it's something that was driven home to me with the Ty Jones saga with Ohio State's offer.
The big difference here is that I'm arguing to be proactive for the future to ensure that we eliminate or shore up any systematic issues that we may have. Your approach is suggesting that we just shrug our shoulders, say life is good, and only react if we start getting a lot more proof that things are getting worse. Again, I'm not saying that Malloe should lose his job over this ... but we need to flush out what happened here. That's imperative. And if in finding out the facts it comes out that Malloe dropped the ball, then hard discussions and decisions are required.
Take the case of Babushka after last year as a great example ... he had a young roster that gave uneven results so it likely wasn't fair to place complete blame at his feet ... yet at the same time there was plenty of reason to believe that he was not blameless and needed to grow going forward. Instead of firing, we hired Tedford to be a consultant and that led to one of our finest offensive seasons in school history. Some questions still remain and those questions were not aided by Browning's shoulder injury that obviously hampered end of the year results. Not really at a point where you would fire Babushka. But at the same time, if Wilcox was trying to hire Babushka away like he did with Lake, do you think we would have ponied up to make sure we retained Babushka? -
Ohferfucksakes
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Enough.
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You're REALLY BAD at poasting. Go back to podcasting.Tequilla said:
By your logic the CEO then of any business has his hands tied into every aspect of the business ...RoadDawg55 said:
Well nobody is. If you really need someone to blame though, it's Petersen.Tequilla said:
If a company loses a deal towards the end of the year that causes them to go from meeting annual targets to a significant miss, you lead a sheltered professional life.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Hahahaha, THISRoadDawg55 said:
So in a business setting, a big client (Tui) commits to the deal in person in front of the boss (Peterson) and the sales rep (Malloe), you fire the sales rep when the client finds a better deal?Tequilla said:This isn't just about Malloe ... this is something where IMO we really need to take stock of what happened not only with Tui but also with Wedington ...
I'd agree that it is an over-reaction to just say that anybody should be fired ... a compete and total evaluation of the breakdown(s) need to be figured out to determine if the source is more systematic or just misses where we should have better seen this coming.
That being said, it is completely dooging head in sand behavior to not view this as a major concern. These kinds of misses in the business world can cost jobs ... not an understatement. The foundation of success starts with recruiting. Our surest path to success is to be dominate on both lines ... Pete has said as much.
Fixing problems when it is obviously that things are broken is too late ... it is imparative that whatever broke down is isolated to a 2017 issue and doesn't bleed into 2018.
Tequilla's "business world" analogy couldn't have been any further from reality....
It's not a guarantee that someone gets scapegoated for it ... but far from a surprise to anybody.
This year has had the first two decommitments under Petersen. It was bound to happen. It's way too early and premature to act like it's broken, especially when the team just went 12-2 and will enter as a top 10 team next year.
It's a whole different argument if he went 8-5 this year and next year wasn't looking promising.
In any significant business deal, no question the CEO's get involved at some point. But the ground work for the deal is laid often well before the C-level's get into the picture.
The balance of the recruiting contact with any recruit is done at the assistant level not the HC level ... partly because of the rules against HC contact.
Now, I don't disagree with you that Pete needs to take a look at the decommitments in this class and try to figure out what has caused that to happen. I've said as much almost initially upon hearing the news because it's something that was driven home to me with the Ty Jones saga with Ohio State's offer.
The big difference here is that I'm arguing to be proactive for the future to ensure that we eliminate or shore up any systematic issues that we may have. Your approach is suggesting that we just shrug our shoulders, say life is good, and only react if we start getting a lot more proof that things are getting worse. Again, I'm not saying that Malloe should lose his job over this ... but we need to flush out what happened here. That's imperative. And if in finding out the facts it comes out that Malloe dropped the ball, then hard discussions and decisions are required.
Take the case of Babushka after last year as a great example ... he had a young roster that gave uneven results so it likely wasn't fair to place complete blame at his feet ... yet at the same time there was plenty of reason to believe that he was not blameless and needed to grow going forward. Instead of firing, we hired Tedford to be a consultant and that led to one of our finest offensive seasons in school history. Some questions still remain and those questions were not aided by Browning's shoulder injury that obviously hampered end of the year results. Not really at a point where you would fire Babushka. But at the same time, if Wilcox was trying to hire Babushka away like he did with Lake, do you think we would have ponied up to make sure we retained Babushka? -
This stupid fucking example *might* make an iota of sense...if losing Marlon cost UW something at all significant.Tequilla said:
If a company loses a deal towards the end of the year that causes them to go from meeting annual targets to a significant miss, you lead a sheltered professional life.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Hahahaha, THISRoadDawg55 said:
So in a business setting, a big client (Tui) commits to the deal in person in front of the boss (Peterson) and the sales rep (Malloe), you fire the sales rep when the client finds a better deal?Tequilla said:This isn't just about Malloe ... this is something where IMO we really need to take stock of what happened not only with Tui but also with Wedington ...
I'd agree that it is an over-reaction to just say that anybody should be fired ... a compete and total evaluation of the breakdown(s) need to be figured out to determine if the source is more systematic or just misses where we should have better seen this coming.
That being said, it is completely dooging head in sand behavior to not view this as a major concern. These kinds of misses in the business world can cost jobs ... not an understatement. The foundation of success starts with recruiting. Our surest path to success is to be dominate on both lines ... Pete has said as much.
Fixing problems when it is obviously that things are broken is too late ... it is imparative that whatever broke down is isolated to a 2017 issue and doesn't bleed into 2018.
Tequilla's "business world" analogy couldn't have been any further from reality....
It's not a guarantee that someone gets scapegoated for it ... but far from a surprise to anybody.
You know who else was a 4/5 star dlineman? Sione Potato.
If a company loses one deal that hadn't even been fucking closed and funded yet that fucks up their business year that much, that company should probably have tried being in some more deals. HTH
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Christ, take this business bullshit to the dick measuring bored.
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TCU MBA TCU MBA TCU MBA TCU MBA TCU MBA TCU MBA TCU MBA TCU MBA TCU MBA TCU MBA ...Tequilla said:
By your logic the CEO then of any business has his hands tied into every aspect of the business ...RoadDawg55 said:
Well nobody is. If you really need someone to blame though, it's Petersen.Tequilla said:
If a company loses a deal towards the end of the year that causes them to go from meeting annual targets to a significant miss, you lead a sheltered professional life.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Hahahaha, THISRoadDawg55 said:
So in a business setting, a big client (Tui) commits to the deal in person in front of the boss (Peterson) and the sales rep (Malloe), you fire the sales rep when the client finds a better deal?Tequilla said:This isn't just about Malloe ... this is something where IMO we really need to take stock of what happened not only with Tui but also with Wedington ...
I'd agree that it is an over-reaction to just say that anybody should be fired ... a compete and total evaluation of the breakdown(s) need to be figured out to determine if the source is more systematic or just misses where we should have better seen this coming.
That being said, it is completely dooging head in sand behavior to not view this as a major concern. These kinds of misses in the business world can cost jobs ... not an understatement. The foundation of success starts with recruiting. Our surest path to success is to be dominate on both lines ... Pete has said as much.
Fixing problems when it is obviously that things are broken is too late ... it is imparative that whatever broke down is isolated to a 2017 issue and doesn't bleed into 2018.
Tequilla's "business world" analogy couldn't have been any further from reality....
It's not a guarantee that someone gets scapegoated for it ... but far from a surprise to anybody.
This year has had the first two decommitments under Petersen. It was bound to happen. It's way too early and premature to act like it's broken, especially when the team just went 12-2 and will enter as a top 10 team next year.
It's a whole different argument if he went 8-5 this year and next year wasn't looking promising.
In any significant business deal, no question the CEO's get involved at some point. But the ground work for the deal is laid often well before the C-level's get into the picture.
The balance of the recruiting contact with any recruit is done at the assistant level not the HC level ... partly because of the rules against HC contact.
Now, I don't disagree with you that Pete needs to take a look at the decommitments in this class and try to figure out what has caused that to happen. I've said as much almost initially upon hearing the news because it's something that was driven home to me with the Ty Jones saga with Ohio State's offer.
The big difference here is that I'm arguing to be proactive for the future to ensure that we eliminate or shore up any systematic issues that we may have. Your approach is suggesting that we just shrug our shoulders, say life is good, and only react if we start getting a lot more proof that things are getting worse. Again, I'm not saying that Malloe should lose his job over this ... but we need to flush out what happened here. That's imperative. And if in finding out the facts it comes out that Malloe dropped the ball, then hard discussions and decisions are required.
Take the case of Babushka after last year as a great example ... he had a young roster that gave uneven results so it likely wasn't fair to place complete blame at his feet ... yet at the same time there was plenty of reason to believe that he was not blameless and needed to grow going forward. Instead of firing, we hired Tedford to be a consultant and that led to one of our finest offensive seasons in school history. Some questions still remain and those questions were not aided by Browning's shoulder injury that obviously hampered end of the year results. Not really at a point where you would fire Babushka. But at the same time, if Wilcox was trying to hire Babushka away like he did with Lake, do you think we would have ponied up to make sure we retained Babushka?
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WilburHooksHands said:
Christ, take this business bullshit to the dick measuring bored.
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Looks like roadie wins!RoadDawg55 said: -
Disagree he's asianCokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
Looks like roadie wins!RoadDawg55 said: -
I think Derek needs add a new forum - Business 101 with Tequilla. Topics including, cutting edges sales techniques such as buying a pair of knee pads for your next sales pitch meeting.
Other topics including, the art of close, how satisfy both holes at the same time, persuasive copy for handouts, valuing a business, creating a PNL sheet, depreciation and much much more.
Bonus material will cover evaluating a CEO and taint licking.
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Free pub !!!1jecornel said:I think Derek needs add a new forum - Business 101 with Tequilla. Topics including, cutting edges sales techniques such as buying a pair of knee pads for your next sales pitch meeting.
Other topics including, the art of close, how satisfy both holes at the same time, persuasive copy for handouts, valuing a business, creating a PNL sheet, depreciation and much much more.
Bonus material will cover evaluating a CEO and taint licking. -
Maybe collegedoog (rip) will make an appearance about how to diversify your portfoliojecornel said:I think Derek needs add a new forum - Business 101 with Tequilla. Topics including, cutting edges sales techniques such as buying a pair of knee pads for your next sales pitch meeting.
Other topics including, the art of close, how satisfy both holes at the same time, persuasive copy for handouts, valuing a business, creating a PNL sheet, depreciation and much much more.
Bonus material will cover evaluating a CEO and taint licking. -
People who post on Reddit are huge pussies. Act like you have been on the internet before you twats.UWhuskytskeet said: