So I did my taxes today. My health insurance premiums were over $16k this year. My employer paid $10k, the rest was on me. I also paid $1,200 out of pocket.
As an example the year before the AHCA that same policy was $8k total.
How is this guy's only legacy piece not a piece of shit?
Your employer should shop it's medical insurance. Ours has gone up about 10% total since 12. We did switch carriers in 2014 and threatened to do so again this year.
The Federal Government?
You have the wrong job if you work for the federal government and are on the hook for over $800 month.
While Obamacare hasn't been successful at controlling health care costs, it has slowed the growth.
Under Bush, the average family premiums (including both what employers and employees pay) went up $4,677 in his last six years in office, from 2002 to 2008, an increase of 58 percent. That $4,154 growth under Obama is a 33 percent increase. If we look at Bush’s first six years, the discrepancy gets even bigger: From 2000, the year before Bush was first inaugurated, to 2006, the average family premium went up $5,042, or an increase of 78 percent. (See Exhibit 1.11 on page 31 of the KFF report for these numbers.)
So I did my taxes today. My health insurance premiums were over $16k this year. My employer paid $10k, the rest was on me. I also paid $1,200 out of pocket.
As an example the year before the AHCA that same policy was $8k total.
How is this guy's only legacy piece not a piece of shit?
Your employer should shop it's medical insurance. Ours has gone up about 10% total since 12. We did switch carriers in 2014 and threatened to do so again this year.
The Federal Government?
You have the wrong job if you work for the federal government and are on the hook for over $800 month.
While Obamacare hasn't been successful at controlling health care costs, it has slowed the growth.
Under Bush, the average family premiums (including both what employers and employees pay) went up $4,677 in his last six years in office, from 2002 to 2008, an increase of 58 percent. That $4,154 growth under Obama is a 33 percent increase. If we look at Bush’s first six years, the discrepancy gets even bigger: From 2000, the year before Bush was first inaugurated, to 2006, the average family premium went up $5,042, or an increase of 78 percent. (See Exhibit 1.11 on page 31 of the KFF report for these numbers.)
So I did my taxes today. My health insurance premiums were over $16k this year. My employer paid $10k, the rest was on me. I also paid $1,200 out of pocket.
As an example the year before the AHCA that same policy was $8k total.
How is this guy's only legacy piece not a piece of shit?
Your employer should shop it's medical insurance. Ours has gone up about 10% total since 12. We did switch carriers in 2014 and threatened to do so again this year.
The Federal Government?
You have the wrong job if you work for the federal government and are on the hook for over $800 month.
While Obamacare hasn't been successful at controlling health care costs, it has slowed the growth.
Under Bush, the average family premiums (including both what employers and employees pay) went up $4,677 in his last six years in office, from 2002 to 2008, an increase of 58 percent. That $4,154 growth under Obama is a 33 percent increase. If we look at Bush’s first six years, the discrepancy gets even bigger: From 2000, the year before Bush was first inaugurated, to 2006, the average family premium went up $5,042, or an increase of 78 percent. (See Exhibit 1.11 on page 31 of the KFF report for these numbers.)
So I did my taxes today. My health insurance premiums were over $16k this year. My employer paid $10k, the rest was on me. I also paid $1,200 out of pocket.
As an example the year before the AHCA that same policy was $8k total.
How is this guy's only legacy piece not a piece of shit?
Your employer should shop it's medical insurance. Ours has gone up about 10% total since 12. We did switch carriers in 2014 and threatened to do so again this year.
The Federal Government?
You have the wrong job if you work for the federal government and are on the hook for over $800 month.
While Obamacare hasn't been successful at controlling health care costs, it has slowed the growth.
Under Bush, the average family premiums (including both what employers and employees pay) went up $4,677 in his last six years in office, from 2002 to 2008, an increase of 58 percent. That $4,154 growth under Obama is a 33 percent increase. If we look at Bush’s first six years, the discrepancy gets even bigger: From 2000, the year before Bush was first inaugurated, to 2006, the average family premium went up $5,042, or an increase of 78 percent. (See Exhibit 1.11 on page 31 of the KFF report for these numbers.)
I still don't get why they can't just look at every other developed country, do a quick analysis on costs for the government per person and cost to the person against quality of healthcare. Then whichever model is most efficient just copy the damn thing.
I think we should go ahead and trust the assholes who lied about Obamacare on single payer. I'm sure they will tell the truth this time
or maybe we could trust every other modern country
The ones who enjoy free military protection?
You knuckleheads can keep repeating the free military argument. But you are too dumb to realize that military spending and health care spending are not correlated. Every other industrialized nation spends less per capita on health care than we do. By a lot. Don't you think that's a more meaningful conversation?
I still don't get why they can't just look at every other developed country, do a quick analysis on costs for the government per person and cost to the person against quality of healthcare. Then whichever model is most efficient just copy the damn thing.
I think we should go ahead and trust the assholes who lied about Obamacare on single payer. I'm sure they will tell the truth this time
or maybe we could trust every other modern country
The ones who enjoy free military protection?
You knuckleheads can keep repeating the free military argument. But you are too dumb to realize that military spending and health care spending are not correlated. Every other industrialized nation spends less per capita on health care than we do. By a lot. Don't you think that's a more meaningful conversation?
It's a good point. Look guys, you can still blow up brown people, but also have less expensive healthcare.
The fact that we as a country pay more for healthcare per person than other developed countries has nothing to do with the fact that we protect them with our military.
We are paying more for healthcare. At a minimum we should be paying the same.
And if we are as innovative and competitive as we claim, shouldn't we be able to figure out how to do it better than fucking Sweden? Or is being a homogenized country somehow the cure for healthcare problems?
I think we should go ahead and trust the assholes who lied about Obamacare on single payer. I'm sure they will tell the truth this time
or maybe we could trust every other modern country
The ones who enjoy free military protection?
You knuckleheads can keep repeating the free military argument. But you are too dumb to realize that military spending and health care spending are not correlated. Every other industrialized nation spends less per capita on health care than we do. By a lot. Don't you think that's a more meaningful conversation?
You have no dog in this fight. You backed the loser. Embrace it.
I think we should go ahead and trust the assholes who lied about Obamacare on single payer. I'm sure they will tell the truth this time
or maybe we could trust every other modern country
The ones who enjoy free military protection?
You knuckleheads can keep repeating the free military argument. But you are too dumb to realize that military spending and health care spending are not correlated. Every other industrialized nation spends less per capita on health care than we do. By a lot. Don't you think that's a more meaningful conversation?
You I have no dog in this fight argument and repeat conservative talking points without understanding them. You I backed the loser liar. Embrace it.
Insurance is a very simple business: it is the contractual transfer of specifically-defined potential future risks from an insured to an insurer for an agreed fee (premium).
Any program or mandate that requires an insurer to pay the cost of a treatment or loss for an insured's pre-existing condition without the ability to charge a fair premium for that coverage is not insurance at all. It is a subsidy.
I would love to not have to carry fire insurance on my home but have the ability to buy it at the same rate as my neighbor after my home is already on fire. Similarly, I would love to not have to purchase health insurance until after I have a heart attack but before I have heart surgery.
Insurance is a very simple business: it is the contractual transfer of specifically-defined potential future risks from an insured to an insurer for an agreed fee (premium).
Any program or mandate that requires an insurer to pay the cost of a treatment or loss for an insured's pre-existing condition without the ability to charge a fair premium for that coverage is not insurance at all. It is a subsidy.
I would love to not have to carry fire insurance on my home but have the ability to buy it at the same rate as my neighbor after my home is already on fire. Similarly, I would love to not have to purchase health insurance until after I have a heart attack but before I have heart surgery.
You can keep repeating that, but that's about 1,549 on the list of issues with Obamacare. Not to mention, that's not the primary reason for the pre existing conditions deal. It's more about ensuring that insurance companies don't deny coverage when someone gets sick.
Insurance is a very simple business: it is the contractual transfer of specifically-defined potential future risks from an insured to an insurer for an agreed fee (premium).
Any program or mandate that requires an insurer to pay the cost of a treatment or loss for an insured's pre-existing condition without the ability to charge a fair premium for that coverage is not insurance at all. It is a subsidy.
I would love to not have to carry fire insurance on my home but have the ability to buy it at the same rate as my neighbor after my home is already on fire. Similarly, I would love to not have to purchase health insurance until after I have a heart attack but before I have heart surgery.
That's one of the problems with pre-existing conditions, and it's one of the reasons why insurance companies want a very large pool of people to insure -- mitigate risk. The largest pool possible is everyone in the US, AKA single payer.
Insurance is a very simple business: it is the contractual transfer of specifically-defined potential future risks from an insured to an insurer for an agreed fee (premium).
Any program or mandate that requires an insurer to pay the cost of a treatment or loss for an insured's pre-existing condition without the ability to charge a fair premium for that coverage is not insurance at all. It is a subsidy.
I would love to not have to carry fire insurance on my home but have the ability to buy it at the same rate as my neighbor after my home is already on fire. Similarly, I would love to not have to purchase health insurance until after I have a heart attack but before I have heart surgery.
That's one of the problems with pre-existing conditions, and it's one of the reasons why insurance companies want a very large pool of people to insure -- mitigate risk. The largest pool possible is everyone in the US, AKA single payer.
I'm not here to make insurance companies money. Fuck that shit
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Like I said, why anyone would trust the same lying assholes is beyond me
We are paying more for healthcare. At a minimum we should be paying the same.
And if we are as innovative and competitive as we claim, shouldn't we be able to figure out how to do it better than fucking Sweden? Or is being a homogenized country somehow the cure for healthcare problems?
Any program or mandate that requires an insurer to pay the cost of a treatment or loss for an insured's pre-existing condition without the ability to charge a fair premium for that coverage is not insurance at all. It is a subsidy.
I would love to not have to carry fire insurance on my home but have the ability to buy it at the same rate as my neighbor after my home is already on fire. Similarly, I would love to not have to purchase health insurance until after I have a heart attack but before I have heart surgery.
Other than that, nice rant.