Obamacare 2.0

Mosster47

So I did my taxes today. My health insurance premiums were over $16k this year. My employer paid $10k, the rest was on me. I also paid $1,200 out of pocket.

As an example the year before the AHCA that same policy was $8k total.

How is this guy's only legacy piece not a piece of shit?

CuntWaffle

Mosster47 said:

So I did my taxes today. My health insurance premiums were over $16k this year. My employer paid $10k, the rest was on me. I also paid $1,200 out of pocket.

As an example the year before the AHCA that same policy was $8k total.

How is this guy's only legacy piece not a piece of shit?

Don't worry Hondo and Hondo Jr (dhdawg) will remind you it's the republicans fault.

oregonblitzkrieg

Is 16K a year enough to cover a flu vaccination and a trip to the doctor for a runny nose?

2001400ex

Mosster47 said:

So I did my taxes today. My health insurance premiums were over $16k this year. My employer paid $10k, the rest was on me. I also paid $1,200 out of pocket.

As an example the year before the AHCA that same policy was $8k total.

How is this guy's only legacy piece not a piece of shit?

Your employer should shop it's medical insurance. Ours has gone up about 10% total since 12. We did switch carriers in 2014 and threatened to do so again this year.

Mosster47

2001400ex said:

Mosster47 said:

So I did my taxes today. My health insurance premiums were over $16k this year. My employer paid $10k, the rest was on me. I also paid $1,200 out of pocket.

As an example the year before the AHCA that same policy was $8k total.

How is this guy's only legacy piece not a piece of shit?

Your employer should shop it's medical insurance. Ours has gone up about 10% total since 12. We did switch carriers in 2014 and threatened to do so again this year.

The Federal Government?

Mosster47

oregonblitzkrieg said:

Is 16K a year enough to cover a flu vaccination and a trip to the doctor for a runny nose?

Not according to Obama.

dhdawg

CuntWaffle said:

Mosster47 said:

So I did my taxes today. My health insurance premiums were over $16k this year. My employer paid $10k, the rest was on me. I also paid $1,200 out of pocket.

As an example the year before the AHCA that same policy was $8k total.

How is this guy's only legacy piece not a piece of shit?

Don't worry Hondo and Hondo Jr (dhdawg) will remind you it's the republicans fault.

No. It's his fault implementing it. It's a right wing plan. With that said it insured 20 million more people than the republican plan of do nothing

2001400ex

Mosster47 said:

2001400ex said:

Mosster47 said:

So I did my taxes today. My health insurance premiums were over $16k this year. My employer paid $10k, the rest was on me. I also paid $1,200 out of pocket.

As an example the year before the AHCA that same policy was $8k total.

How is this guy's only legacy piece not a piece of shit?

Your employer should shop it's medical insurance. Ours has gone up about 10% total since 12. We did switch carriers in 2014 and threatened to do so again this year.

The Federal Government?

You have the wrong job if you work for the federal government and are on the hook for over $800 month.

While Obamacare hasn't been successful at controlling health care costs, it has slowed the growth.

Under Bush, the average family premiums (including both what employers and employees pay) went up $4,677 in his last six years in office, from 2002 to 2008, an increase of 58 percent. That $4,154 growth under Obama is a 33 percent increase. If we look at Bush’s first six years, the discrepancy gets even bigger: From 2000, the year before Bush was first inaugurated, to 2006, the average family premium went up $5,042, or an increase of 78 percent. (See Exhibit 1.11 on page 31 of the KFF report for these numbers.)

http://www.factcheck.org/2015/02/slower-premium-growth-under-obama/

PurpleJ

Yeah but the poor are getting GREAT free healthcare that doesn't even provide them with doctor's visits.

BennyBeaver

Mosster47 said:

So I did my taxes today. My health insurance premiums were over $16k this year. My employer paid $10k, the rest was on me. I also paid $1,200 out of pocket.

As an example the year before the AHCA that same policy was $8k total.

How is this guy's only legacy piece not a piece of shit?

You sound poor.

DugtheDoog

What FS liberals are conveniently leaving out is that 3 years ago there weren't piles of dead bodies on the side of the road from all the uninsured and low income. Why? Hospitals would never turn anyone away in the first place. Fucking illegal aliens for years have been getting free healthcare.

Most hospitals have it written into their bylaws that around 1/5 of procedures/care will be pro bono, usually supported by local churches and non-profits.

So not only have premiums soared beyond belief, but the net public welfare isn't really much higher anyway. The bill is basically a fascist bill that was partially written by and signed off on by major insurance companies. Forcing every fucking citizen to buy a specific product they don't want is straight up gangster tactics. And of course insurance company profits are through the damn roof. All I know is this plan favors mega corporations, fucks over small businesses and forces millions of people to buy a commodity they do not want/need...and it sucks major balls. Simply allowing health insurance to be sold across state lines would significantly drive down the cost just by creating competition. That'd be a decent start.

dhdawg

DugtheDoog said:

What FS liberals are conveniently leaving out is that 3 years ago there weren't piles of dead bodies on the side of the road from all the uninsured and low income. Why? Hospitals would never turn anyone away in the first place. Fucking illegal aliens for years have been getting free healthcare.

Most hospitals have it written into their bylaws that around 1/5 of procedures/care will be pro bono, usually supported by local churches and non-profits.

So not only have premiums soared beyond belief, but the net public welfare isn't really much higher anyway. The bill is basically a fascist bill that was partially written by and signed off on by major insurance companies. Forcing every fucking citizen to buy a specific product they don't want is straight up gangster tactics. And of course insurance company profits are through the damn roof. All I know is this plan favors mega corporations, fucks over small businesses and forces millions of people to buy a commodity they do not want/need...and it sucks major balls. Simply allowing health insurance to be sold across state lines would significantly drive down the cost just by creating competition. That'd be a decent start.

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2009/09/new-study-finds-45000-deaths-annually-linked-to-lack-of-health-coverage/
45,000 a year ain't much?

UWhuskytskeet

DugtheDoog said:

What FS liberals are conveniently leaving out is that 3 years ago there weren't piles of dead bodies on the side of the road from all the uninsured and low income. Why? Hospitals would never turn anyone away in the first place. Fucking illegal aliens for years have been getting free healthcare.

Most hospitals have it written into their bylaws that around 1/5 of procedures/care will be pro bono, usually supported by local churches and non-profits.

So not only have premiums soared beyond belief, but the net public welfare isn't really much higher anyway. The bill is basically a fascist bill that was partially written by and signed off on by major insurance companies. Forcing every fucking citizen to buy a specific product they don't want is straight up gangster tactics. And of course insurance company profits are through the damn roof. All I know is this plan favors mega corporations, fucks over small businesses and forces millions of people to buy a commodity they do not want/need...and it sucks major balls. Simply allowing health insurance to be sold across state lines would significantly drive down the cost just by creating competition. That'd be a decent start.

Your last paragraph explains exactly why single payer is the only correct option.

Simply allowing health insurance to be sold across state lines would significantly drive down the cost just by creating competition.

http://www.naic.org/documents/topics_interstate_sales_myths.pdf

http://www.idahostatesman.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/robert-ehlert/article124601519.html

Most people don't agree with you.

Companies are free to sell in any state they want right now anyway, they just have to abide by that state's regulations. It will be a race to the bottom in coverage. Basically find the state with the weakest regulations, and that will be your option. Young non-smokers will probably pay less since they won't need to use coverage anyway, but all you fat fuck basement dwellers will be paying out the ass to get your insulin and triple bypass.

I thought the right liked state rights?

doogie

Why do you hate young, fat, pre-diabetic smokers?

BennyBeaver

dhdawg said:

DugtheDoog said:

What FS liberals are conveniently leaving out is that 3 years ago there weren't piles of dead bodies on the side of the road from all the uninsured and low income. Why? Hospitals would never turn anyone away in the first place. Fucking illegal aliens for years have been getting free healthcare.

Most hospitals have it written into their bylaws that around 1/5 of procedures/care will be pro bono, usually supported by local churches and non-profits.

So not only have premiums soared beyond belief, but the net public welfare isn't really much higher anyway. The bill is basically a fascist bill that was partially written by and signed off on by major insurance companies. Forcing every fucking citizen to buy a specific product they don't want is straight up gangster tactics. And of course insurance company profits are through the damn roof. All I know is this plan favors mega corporations, fucks over small businesses and forces millions of people to buy a commodity they do not want/need...and it sucks major balls. Simply allowing health insurance to be sold across state lines would significantly drive down the cost just by creating competition. That'd be a decent start.

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2009/09/new-study-finds-45000-deaths-annually-linked-to-lack-of-health-coverage/
45,000 a year ain't much?

Most here will discount this based upon the obviously biased source. Way to much coastal liberal elite stuff. We should believe what the GOP is telling us; they have all the "facts."

Mosster47

2001400ex said:

Mosster47 said:

2001400ex said:

Mosster47 said:

So I did my taxes today. My health insurance premiums were over $16k this year. My employer paid $10k, the rest was on me. I also paid $1,200 out of pocket.

As an example the year before the AHCA that same policy was $8k total.

How is this guy's only legacy piece not a piece of shit?

Your employer should shop it's medical insurance. Ours has gone up about 10% total since 12. We did switch carriers in 2014 and threatened to do so again this year.

The Federal Government?

You have the wrong job if you work for the federal government and are on the hook for over $800 month.

While Obamacare hasn't been successful at controlling health care costs, it has slowed the growth.

Under Bush, the average family premiums (including both what employers and employees pay) went up $4,677 in his last six years in office, from 2002 to 2008, an increase of 58 percent. That $4,154 growth under Obama is a 33 percent increase. If we look at Bush’s first six years, the discrepancy gets even bigger: From 2000, the year before Bush was first inaugurated, to 2006, the average family premium went up $5,042, or an increase of 78 percent. (See Exhibit 1.11 on page 31 of the KFF report for these numbers.)

http://www.factcheck.org/2015/02/slower-premium-growth-under-obama/

$6,000 ÷ 12 = $800?

Is your dick 17"?

2001400ex

Mosster47 said:

2001400ex said:

Mosster47 said:

2001400ex said:

Mosster47 said:

So I did my taxes today. My health insurance premiums were over $16k this year. My employer paid $10k, the rest was on me. I also paid $1,200 out of pocket.

As an example the year before the AHCA that same policy was $8k total.

How is this guy's only legacy piece not a piece of shit?

Your employer should shop it's medical insurance. Ours has gone up about 10% total since 12. We did switch carriers in 2014 and threatened to do so again this year.

The Federal Government?

You have the wrong job if you work for the federal government and are on the hook for over $800 month.

While Obamacare hasn't been successful at controlling health care costs, it has slowed the growth.

Under Bush, the average family premiums (including both what employers and employees pay) went up $4,677 in his last six years in office, from 2002 to 2008, an increase of 58 percent. That $4,154 growth under Obama is a 33 percent increase. If we look at Bush’s first six years, the discrepancy gets even bigger: From 2000, the year before Bush was first inaugurated, to 2006, the average family premium went up $5,042, or an increase of 78 percent. (See Exhibit 1.11 on page 31 of the KFF report for these numbers.)

http://www.factcheck.org/2015/02/slower-premium-growth-under-obama/

$6,000 ÷ 12 = $800?

Is your dick 17"?

My maff is wrong some days. But I still think your story is bullshit.

UWhuskytskeet

2001400ex said:

Mosster47 said:

2001400ex said:

Mosster47 said:

2001400ex said:

Mosster47 said:

So I did my taxes today. My health insurance premiums were over $16k this year. My employer paid $10k, the rest was on me. I also paid $1,200 out of pocket.

As an example the year before the AHCA that same policy was $8k total.

How is this guy's only legacy piece not a piece of shit?

Your employer should shop it's medical insurance. Ours has gone up about 10% total since 12. We did switch carriers in 2014 and threatened to do so again this year.

The Federal Government?

You have the wrong job if you work for the federal government and are on the hook for over $800 month.

While Obamacare hasn't been successful at controlling health care costs, it has slowed the growth.

Under Bush, the average family premiums (including both what employers and employees pay) went up $4,677 in his last six years in office, from 2002 to 2008, an increase of 58 percent. That $4,154 growth under Obama is a 33 percent increase. If we look at Bush’s first six years, the discrepancy gets even bigger: From 2000, the year before Bush was first inaugurated, to 2006, the average family premium went up $5,042, or an increase of 78 percent. (See Exhibit 1.11 on page 31 of the KFF report for these numbers.)

http://www.factcheck.org/2015/02/slower-premium-growth-under-obama/

$6,000 ÷ 12 = $800?

Is your dick 17"?

My maff is wrong some days. But I still think your story is bullshit.

$500 for his wife and kids' coverage is my guess.

2001400ex

UWhuskytskeet said:

2001400ex said:

Mosster47 said:

2001400ex said:

Mosster47 said:

2001400ex said:

Mosster47 said:

So I did my taxes today. My health insurance premiums were over $16k this year. My employer paid $10k, the rest was on me. I also paid $1,200 out of pocket.

As an example the year before the AHCA that same policy was $8k total.

How is this guy's only legacy piece not a piece of shit?

Your employer should shop it's medical insurance. Ours has gone up about 10% total since 12. We did switch carriers in 2014 and threatened to do so again this year.

The Federal Government?

You have the wrong job if you work for the federal government and are on the hook for over $800 month.

While Obamacare hasn't been successful at controlling health care costs, it has slowed the growth.

Under Bush, the average family premiums (including both what employers and employees pay) went up $4,677 in his last six years in office, from 2002 to 2008, an increase of 58 percent. That $4,154 growth under Obama is a 33 percent increase. If we look at Bush’s first six years, the discrepancy gets even bigger: From 2000, the year before Bush was first inaugurated, to 2006, the average family premium went up $5,042, or an increase of 78 percent. (See Exhibit 1.11 on page 31 of the KFF report for these numbers.)

http://www.factcheck.org/2015/02/slower-premium-growth-under-obama/

$6,000 ÷ 12 = $800?

Is your dick 17"?

My maff is wrong some days. But I still think your story is bullshit.

$500 for his wife and kids' coverage is my guess.

I was referring to insurance for the exact same coverage going up from $8k in 2012 to $16k in 2016. On a federal government plan.

RoadTrip

dhdawg said:

CuntWaffle said:

Mosster47 said:

So I did my taxes today. My health insurance premiums were over $16k this year. My employer paid $10k, the rest was on me. I also paid $1,200 out of pocket.

As an example the year before the AHCA that same policy was $8k total.

How is this guy's only legacy piece not a piece of shit?

Don't worry Hondo and Hondo Jr (dhdawg) will remind you it's the republicans fault.

No. It's his fault implementing it. It's a right wing plan. With that said it insured 20 million more people than the republican plan of do nothing

No it didn't dumbfuck. Something like 6-8 million of those people already had insurance.

UWhuskytskeet

DuckHHunterisafag said:

dhdawg said:

CuntWaffle said:

Mosster47 said:

So I did my taxes today. My health insurance premiums were over $16k this year. My employer paid $10k, the rest was on me. I also paid $1,200 out of pocket.

As an example the year before the AHCA that same policy was $8k total.

How is this guy's only legacy piece not a piece of shit?

Don't worry Hondo and Hondo Jr (dhdawg) will remind you it's the republicans fault.

No. It's his fault implementing it. It's a right wing plan. With that said it insured 20 million more people than the republican plan of do nothing

No it didn't dumbfuck. Something like 6-8 million of those people already had insurance.

Where does it say that in the official report?

https://aspe.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/187551/ACA2010-2016.pdf

"We estimate that the provisions of the ACA have resulted in gains in health insurance coverage for 20.0 million nonelderly adults (ages 18 to 64). This estimate comprises 17.7 million nonelderly adults who gained coverage due to the coverage expansions that began in the fourth quarter of 2013 and 2.3 million young adults (ages 19 to 25) who gained coverage between 2010 and 2013 due to the ACA’s provision allowing young adults to stay on a parents’ plan until the age of 26. "