ESPN is going to launch the ACC Network. So that's 3 out of 4. It's between the Big12 and the Pac.
We? lose
Come up with a realistic conference realignment that cuts out the PAC.
Sorry to interrupt the self-hate session but it's not happening.
Current XII plus AZ and CA schools.
You're welcome.
So the Cali schools are going to abandon Washington and Oregon to go play West Virginia? Ohok.gif.
We already saw during the last realignment that the Big12 was in the weakest position by far due to having the smallest footprint by population, their location getting squeezed in between three other conferences, and the unequal sharing of power between Texas and the rest. Those issues have only worsened with the defections and the incursion of the SEC into Texas.
There is no PAC school that makes sense as an expansion target for other schools culturally, geographically, or economically. Which is why there has never even been a rumor floated of such happening.
Washington and Oregon (and their little brothers) aren't going to be left out in favor of WVU and Iowa State.
But USC and UCLA would abandon the Pacific NW schools if it allowed them into the Texas Market.
That trumps both scenarios even if UW/Oregon is >>> WVU and Iowa State.
But in Race's mythical Pac-B12 super conference scenario it wouldn't be PAC NW vs. Texas it would be PAC NW vs. the dregs of the B12. UW and UO are never getting left out of a major conference in favor of Iowa State, WVU, KState, etc. It's just a basic understanding of leverage and bargaining. The PAC is stronger than the B12 and UW is stronger than at least 15 out of the 22 schools.
Try to make your masochistic wet dreams more realistic.
ESPN is going to launch the ACC Network. So that's 3 out of 4. It's between the Big12 and the Pac.
We? lose
Come up with a realistic conference realignment that cuts out the PAC.
Sorry to interrupt the self-hate session but it's not happening.
Current XII plus AZ and CA schools.
You're welcome.
So the Cali schools are going to abandon Washington and Oregon to go play West Virginia? Ohok.gif.
We already saw during the last realignment that the Big12 was in the weakest position by far due to having the smallest footprint by population, their location getting squeezed in between three other conferences, and the unequal sharing of power between Texas and the rest. Those issues have only worsened with the defections and the incursion of the SEC into Texas.
There is no PAC school that makes sense as an expansion target for other schools culturally, geographically, or economically. Which is why there has never even been a rumor floated of such happening.
Washington and Oregon (and their little brothers) aren't going to be left out in favor of WVU and Iowa State.
But USC and UCLA would abandon the Pacific NW schools if it allowed them into the Texas Market.
That trumps both scenarios even if UW/Oregon is >>> WVU and Iowa State.
But in Race's mythical Pac-B12 super conference scenario it wouldn't be PAC NW vs. Texas it would be PAC NW vs. the dregs of the B12. UW and UO are never getting left out of a major conference in favor of Iowa State, WVU, KState, etc. It's just a basic understanding of leverage and bargaining. The PAC is stronger than the B12 and UW is stronger than at least 15 out of the 22 schools.
Try to make your masochistic wet dreams more realistic.
The XII is stronger because it has Texas and ESPN.
People forget that the California schools already dumped 75% of the northwest schools once in the early 60s.
I was there
everyone circle up for story time with grandpappy race!
The AAWU - Four California schools and UW. The NW Championship were non conference games in 1959, 1960, and 1961. Then WSU was admitted for 1962. The Oregon schools were back in 1964 for the Pac 8
The old Pacific Coast league was disbanded after 1958 for reasons similar to the demise of the Southwest Conference
Likely the beginning of the next shake up of trying to get 4 conferences of 16 schools.
PAC needs 4 schools SEC, ACC, and Big 10 all need 2 schools
Big 12 has 10 schools ... presence of ND makes 11 ... but would be pretty much bound to ACC.
Oklahoma and Texas are obviously the big prizes ... I don't think that there's any chance Oklahoma and Oklahoma don't show up somewhere together.
Kansas may be a fit for the Big 10 because of basketball.
West Virginia probably has somewhere to go whether ACC or Big 10 ... they bring enough to the table.
Iowa State and KState are really basketball schools that probably don't have a home for football.
The non-Texas Texas-based Big 12 schools all have some issues. Tech is the biggest but in the worst location and not really any kind of academic pedigree (#RaiderRash) ... TCU has good programs and academics but the "C" could turn some off as well it being a smaller private school versus large state school ... Baylor is even more of a religion problem than TCU and is facing more uncertainty with what is going on with their football program not to mention the location is shit.
Then you have the non Power 5 schools that have some kind of asset that they bring to the table ... this includes Boise, UConn, Houston, UCF, and Memphis.
Nothing works for the PAC without starting with the Oklahoma schools. I doubt Boise can get their academics up enough or brings really enough to the table (across the board) to warrant inclusion. Probably have to bite the bullet with Texas. That leaves 1 remaining spot for another Texas school. I'd expect the split then to go PAC8 vs New8.
Oklahoma and Texas are obviously the big prizes ... I don't think that there's any chance Oklahoma and Oklahoma don't show up somewhere together.
Likely the beginning of the next shake up of trying to get 4 conferences of 16 schools.
PAC needs 4 schools SEC, ACC, and Big 10 all need 2 schools
Big 12 has 10 schools ... presence of ND makes 11 ... but would be pretty much bound to ACC.
Oklahoma and Texas are obviously the big prizes ... I don't think that there's any chance Oklahoma and Oklahoma don't show up somewhere together.
Kansas may be a fit for the Big 10 because of basketball.
West Virginia probably has somewhere to go whether ACC or Big 10 ... they bring enough to the table.
Iowa State and KState are really basketball schools that probably don't have a home for football.
The non-Texas Texas-based Big 12 schools all have some issues. Tech is the biggest but in the worst location and not really any kind of academic pedigree (#RaiderRash) ... TCU has good programs and academics but the "C" could turn some off as well it being a smaller private school versus large state school ... Baylor is even more of a religion problem than TCU and is facing more uncertainty with what is going on with their football program not to mention the location is shit.
Then you have the non Power 5 schools that have some kind of asset that they bring to the table ... this includes Boise, UConn, Houston, UCF, and Memphis.
Nothing works for the PAC without starting with the Oklahoma schools. I doubt Boise can get their academics up enough or brings really enough to the table (across the board) to warrant inclusion. Probably have to bite the bullet with Texas. That leaves 1 remaining spot for another Texas school. I'd expect the split then to go PAC8 vs New8.
Oklahoma and Texas are obviously the big prizes ... I don't think that there's any chance Oklahoma and Oklahoma don't show up somewhere together.
ESPN is going to launch the ACC Network. So that's 3 out of 4. It's between the Big12 and the Pac.
We? lose
Come up with a realistic conference realignment that cuts out the PAC.
Sorry to interrupt the self-hate session but it's not happening.
Current XII plus AZ and CA schools.
You're welcome.
So the Cali schools are going to abandon Washington and Oregon to go play West Virginia? Ohok.gif.
We already saw during the last realignment that the Big12 was in the weakest position by far due to having the smallest footprint by population, their location getting squeezed in between three other conferences, and the unequal sharing of power between Texas and the rest. Those issues have only worsened with the defections and the incursion of the SEC into Texas.
There is no PAC school that makes sense as an expansion target for other schools culturally, geographically, or economically. Which is why there has never even been a rumor floated of such happening.
Washington and Oregon (and their little brothers) aren't going to be left out in favor of WVU and Iowa State.
People forget that ESPN runs college sports.
Why do they need the Pacific Northwest?
Nike and Seattle.
Why do they need Iowa State, West Virginia, Baylor, Kansas State, or Texas Tech?
Seattle doesn't care about College Football when the Sounders are playing.
Houston's willing to meet with anybody to try to get their seat at any table ... they aren't negotiating from a position of strength.
Oklahoma and Texas have no reason to leave UNTIL they start making less money than the other big conferences (the Big 12 model isn't set up to be equal parts per school). That will eventually happen.
The PAC is always going to be an intriguing option for both Oklahoma and Texas because of the academics. The idea that the PAC had them both begging to come West isn't really accurate ... the money wasn't there for them.
ESPN is going to launch the ACC Network. So that's 3 out of 4. It's between the Big12 and the Pac.
We? lose
Come up with a realistic conference realignment that cuts out the PAC.
Sorry to interrupt the self-hate session but it's not happening.
Current XII plus AZ and CA schools.
You're welcome.
So the Cali schools are going to abandon Washington and Oregon to go play West Virginia? Ohok.gif.
We already saw during the last realignment that the Big12 was in the weakest position by far due to having the smallest footprint by population, their location getting squeezed in between three other conferences, and the unequal sharing of power between Texas and the rest. Those issues have only worsened with the defections and the incursion of the SEC into Texas.
There is no PAC school that makes sense as an expansion target for other schools culturally, geographically, or economically. Which is why there has never even been a rumor floated of such happening.
Washington and Oregon (and their little brothers) aren't going to be left out in favor of WVU and Iowa State.
People forget that ESPN runs college sports.
Why do they need the Pacific Northwest?
Nike and Seattle.
Why do they need Iowa State, West Virginia, Baylor, Kansas State, or Texas Tech?
Nike is a fading brand and the NBA proved you don't need Seattle to grow your revenues.
You do point out several schools that can die in a fire though. The eventual culling of two mediocre conferences into the Western power conference will be interesting.
But in all seriousness the ship of the Okies and the Texans coming out West sailed in 2010. That will NEVER happen.
disagree, the value of Texas and the value of their TV network is way way way down from 2010. The deal died because Texas overvalued those two things, that might not be the case anymore.
I would just love to see baylor join the C-USA #StadiumDefault
ESPN is going to launch the ACC Network. So that's 3 out of 4. It's between the Big12 and the Pac.
We? lose
Come up with a realistic conference realignment that cuts out the PAC.
Sorry to interrupt the self-hate session but it's not happening.
Current XII plus AZ and CA schools.
You're welcome.
So the Cali schools are going to abandon Washington and Oregon to go play West Virginia? Ohok.gif.
We already saw during the last realignment that the Big12 was in the weakest position by far due to having the smallest footprint by population, their location getting squeezed in between three other conferences, and the unequal sharing of power between Texas and the rest. Those issues have only worsened with the defections and the incursion of the SEC into Texas.
There is no PAC school that makes sense as an expansion target for other schools culturally, geographically, or economically. Which is why there has never even been a rumor floated of such happening.
Washington and Oregon (and their little brothers) aren't going to be left out in favor of WVU and Iowa State.
People forget that ESPN runs college sports.
Why do they need the Pacific Northwest?
Nike and Seattle.
Why do they need Iowa State, West Virginia, Baylor, Kansas State, or Texas Tech?
Nike is a fading brand and the NBA proved you don't need Seattle to grow your revenues.
You do point out several schools that can die in a fire though. The eventual culling of two mediocre conferences into the Western power conference will be interesting.
HRYK
Nike will be like Reebok is now in 15 years.
Adidas will be Adidas.
Under Armour will be Nike in 5 years.
This was a popular hot take in 2006. It will likely still be a popular hot take in 2026 and Nike will keep on dominating.
take texas, tech, OK OKlite, make a SW division and a pacific division. tell the religious schools to fuck off (just like we did with BYU).
how awesomely stupid would a religious conference be? TCU, BYU, Baylor, ?
That's the obvious move, which means it won't happen.
You want a scenario that involves the PAC shitting the bed that could actually happen?
B1G poaches Oklahoma and Kansas (Kansas actually brings in third most revenue in the Big12 due to underrated media market and basketball fanaticism.)
Texas bolts to ACC along with Notre Dame joining as full member. (Texas would love to be in a conference with Notre Dame as they view themselves similarly as national brands.)
SEC takes Okie State (Pickens money) and WVU(culture fit) or TCU/Baylor if it wants to further solidify it's Texas presence.
Alternatively it could go OU/OSU to SEC, KU and Notre Dame to B1G and Texas and WVU to ACC.
PAC could easily be left with shit if B12 falls apart and OU or UT no longer want to come West.
take texas, tech, OK OKlite, make a SW division and a pacific division. tell the religious schools to fuck off (just like we did with BYU).
how awesomely stupid would a religious conference be? TCU, BYU, Baylor, ?
That's the obvious move, which means it won't happen.
You want a scenario that involves the PAC shitting the bed that could actually happen?
B1G poaches Oklahoma and Kansas (Kansas actually brings in third most revenue in the Big12 due to underrated media market and basketball fanaticism.)
Texas bolts to ACC along with Notre Dame joining as full member. (Texas would love to be in a conference with Notre Dame as they view themselves similarly as national brands.)
SEC takes Okie State (Pickens money) and WVU(culture fit) or TCU/Baylor if it wants to further solidify it's Texas presence.
Alternatively it could go OU/OSU to SEC, KU and Notre Dame to B1G and Texas and WVU to ACC.
PAC could easily be left with shit if B12 falls apart and OU or UT no longer want to come West.
If we? don't get UT and OU, the Pac-?? is fucking deader than dead.
ESPN is going to launch the ACC Network. So that's 3 out of 4. It's between the Big12 and the Pac.
We? lose
Come up with a realistic conference realignment that cuts out the PAC.
Sorry to interrupt the self-hate session but it's not happening.
Current XII plus AZ and CA schools.
You're welcome.
So the Cali schools are going to abandon Washington and Oregon to go play West Virginia? Ohok.gif.
We already saw during the last realignment that the Big12 was in the weakest position by far due to having the smallest footprint by population, their location getting squeezed in between three other conferences, and the unequal sharing of power between Texas and the rest. Those issues have only worsened with the defections and the incursion of the SEC into Texas.
There is no PAC school that makes sense as an expansion target for other schools culturally, geographically, or economically. Which is why there has never even been a rumor floated of such happening.
Washington and Oregon (and their little brothers) aren't going to be left out in favor of WVU and Iowa State.
But USC and UCLA would abandon the Pacific NW schools if it allowed them into the Texas Market.
That trumps both scenarios even if UW/Oregon is >>> WVU and Iowa State.
But in Race's mythical Pac-B12 super conference scenario it wouldn't be PAC NW vs. Texas it would be PAC NW vs. the dregs of the B12. UW and UO are never getting left out of a major conference in favor of Iowa State, WVU, KState, etc. It's just a basic understanding of leverage and bargaining. The PAC is stronger than the B12 and UW is stronger than at least 15 out of the 22 schools.
Try to make your masochistic wet dreams more realistic.
The XII is stronger because it has Texas and ESPN.
ESPN is bleeding money and not the all powerful brand you think it is. Hth.
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The old Pacific Coast league was disbanded after 1958 for reasons similar to the demise of the Southwest Conference
how awesomely stupid would a religious conference be? TCU, BYU, Baylor, ?
Hard hitting stuff.
Nike will be like Reebok is now in 15 years.
Adidas will be Adidas.
Under Armour will be Nike in 5 years.
I would just love to see baylor join the C-USA #StadiumDefault
B1G poaches Oklahoma and Kansas (Kansas actually brings in third most revenue in the Big12 due to underrated media market and basketball fanaticism.)
Texas bolts to ACC along with Notre Dame joining as full member. (Texas would love to be in a conference with Notre Dame as they view themselves similarly as national brands.)
SEC takes Okie State (Pickens money) and WVU(culture fit) or TCU/Baylor if it wants to further solidify it's Texas presence.
Alternatively it could go OU/OSU to SEC, KU and Notre Dame to B1G and Texas and WVU to ACC.
PAC could easily be left with shit if B12 falls apart and OU or UT no longer want to come West.