Regarding Houston Meeting with Larry Scott
PAC needs 4 schools
SEC, ACC, and Big 10 all need 2 schools
Big 12 has 10 schools ... presence of ND makes 11 ... but would be pretty much bound to ACC.
Oklahoma and Texas are obviously the big prizes ... I don't think that there's any chance Oklahoma and Oklahoma don't show up somewhere together.
Kansas may be a fit for the Big 10 because of basketball.
West Virginia probably has somewhere to go whether ACC or Big 10 ... they bring enough to the table.
Iowa State and KState are really basketball schools that probably don't have a home for football.
The non-Texas Texas-based Big 12 schools all have some issues. Tech is the biggest but in the worst location and not really any kind of academic pedigree (#RaiderRash) ... TCU has good programs and academics but the "C" could turn some off as well it being a smaller private school versus large state school ... Baylor is even more of a religion problem than TCU and is facing more uncertainty with what is going on with their football program not to mention the location is shit.
Then you have the non Power 5 schools that have some kind of asset that they bring to the table ... this includes Boise, UConn, Houston, UCF, and Memphis.
Nothing works for the PAC without starting with the Oklahoma schools. I doubt Boise can get their academics up enough or brings really enough to the table (across the board) to warrant inclusion. Probably have to bite the bullet with Texas. That leaves 1 remaining spot for another Texas school. I'd expect the split then to go PAC8 vs New8.
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You considered Boise for the Pac but not UW for the Big Sky?
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But will Brian Kelly coach both Oklahoma schools?!?!
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There were at least 5 different reasons for flagging that bullshit OP.
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I'm hearing Brian Kelly could coach Oklahoma while Brian Kelly coaches Oklahoma.LoneStarDawg said:But will Brian Kelly coach both Oklahoma schools?!?!
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The over/under is always 5TierbsHsotBoobs said:There were at least 5 different reasons for flagging that bullshit OP.
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Way overanalyzed as usual.
This meeting meant nothing for the PAC. The next round of realignment is not starting in Houston.
This meeting was all about the Houston AD trying to leverage the threat of the PAC in Texas into a seat at the Big 12 table. -
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Fuck this shit. Larry Scott needs to get back to the pressing matter of figuring out how to get rid of Utah and Colorado.
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I want Rice to join the Pac-12 because that is the nicest stadium in Houston (unless we count the new Katy HS stadium)
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Houston Stadium Superiority GuyMad_Son said:I want Rice to join the Pac-12 because that is the nicest stadium in Houston (unless we count the new Katy HS stadium)
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You know we had Oklahoma/Okie State (and begrudgingly Texas, but they were still coming) during round two of Power 16 realignment approx. 3/4 years ago and the conference said thanks but no thanks.Tequilla said:Likely the beginning of the next shake up of trying to get 4 conferences of 16 schools.
PAC needs 4 schools
SEC, ACC, and Big 10 all need 2 schools
Big 12 has 10 schools ... presence of ND makes 11 ... but would be pretty much bound to ACC.
Oklahoma and Texas are obviously the big prizes ... I don't think that there's any chance Oklahoma and Oklahoma don't show up somewhere together.
Kansas may be a fit for the Big 10 because of basketball.
West Virginia probably has somewhere to go whether ACC or Big 10 ... they bring enough to the table.
Iowa State and KState are really basketball schools that probably don't have a home for football.
The non-Texas Texas-based Big 12 schools all have some issues. Tech is the biggest but in the worst location and not really any kind of academic pedigree (#RaiderRash) ... TCU has good programs and academics but the "C" could turn some off as well it being a smaller private school versus large state school ... Baylor is even more of a religion problem than TCU and is facing more uncertainty with what is going on with their football program not to mention the location is shit.
Then you have the non Power 5 schools that have some kind of asset that they bring to the table ... this includes Boise, UConn, Houston, UCF, and Memphis.
Nothing works for the PAC without starting with the Oklahoma schools. I doubt Boise can get their academics up enough or brings really enough to the table (across the board) to warrant inclusion. Probably have to bite the bullet with Texas. That leaves 1 remaining spot for another Texas school. I'd expect the split then to go PAC8 vs New8.
In your opinion, after we snubbed OU and Texas would they even consider coming to the PAC?
We know who Larry Scott is as a commish (miles better than Tom Hansen, but that's not saying much), It will be fascinating to see how bold the Big XII gets. If it was me I would target the LA schools and then the Ariz schools or Utah/Colorado (the prize is obviously SC/UCLA the others are geographical tie in's and don't move the needle much, but if it sells the LA schools I would let them pick).
There's currently 5 power conferences with 4 superconferences the end game. The SEC and Big Ten are locks. It's between the ACC/BIG XII and us for the final two spots. I believe the ACC can pull enough of their bb schools (Syracuse/Pitt/etc) in to get 16. That leaves us and the Big XII for the final spot, and in typical Pac-12 fashion we had the first chance and fucked the dog.
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As has been said many times here, Larry Scott:Tom Hansen::Sark:Tygodawgst said:
You know we had Oklahoma/Okie State (and begrudgingly Texas, but they were still coming) during round two of Power 16 realignment approx. 3/4 years ago and the conference said thanks but no thanks.Tequilla said:Likely the beginning of the next shake up of trying to get 4 conferences of 16 schools.
PAC needs 4 schools
SEC, ACC, and Big 10 all need 2 schools
Big 12 has 10 schools ... presence of ND makes 11 ... but would be pretty much bound to ACC.
Oklahoma and Texas are obviously the big prizes ... I don't think that there's any chance Oklahoma and Oklahoma don't show up somewhere together.
Kansas may be a fit for the Big 10 because of basketball.
West Virginia probably has somewhere to go whether ACC or Big 10 ... they bring enough to the table.
Iowa State and KState are really basketball schools that probably don't have a home for football.
The non-Texas Texas-based Big 12 schools all have some issues. Tech is the biggest but in the worst location and not really any kind of academic pedigree (#RaiderRash) ... TCU has good programs and academics but the "C" could turn some off as well it being a smaller private school versus large state school ... Baylor is even more of a religion problem than TCU and is facing more uncertainty with what is going on with their football program not to mention the location is shit.
Then you have the non Power 5 schools that have some kind of asset that they bring to the table ... this includes Boise, UConn, Houston, UCF, and Memphis.
Nothing works for the PAC without starting with the Oklahoma schools. I doubt Boise can get their academics up enough or brings really enough to the table (across the board) to warrant inclusion. Probably have to bite the bullet with Texas. That leaves 1 remaining spot for another Texas school. I'd expect the split then to go PAC8 vs New8.
In your opinion, after we snubbed OU and Texas would they even consider coming to the PAC?
We know who Larry Scott is as a commish (miles better than Tom Hansen, but that's not saying much), It will be fascinating to see how bold the Big XII gets. If it was me I would target the LA schools and then the Ariz schools or Utah/Colorado (the prize is obviously SC/UCLA the others are geographical tie in's and don't move the needle much, but if it sells the LA schools I would let them pick).
There's currently 5 power conferences with 4 superconferences the end game. The SEC and Big Ten are locks. It's between the ACC/BIG XII and us for the final two spots. I believe the ACC can pull enough of their bb schools (Syracuse/Pitt/etc) in to get 16. That leaves us and the Big XII for the final spot, and in typical Pac-12 fashion we had the first chance and fucked the dog. -
The new Houston stadium is way nicer than Rice but Rice is in one of the best neighborhoods in town.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Houston Stadium Superiority GuyMad_Son said:I want Rice to join the Pac-12 because that is the nicest stadium in Houston (unless we count the new Katy HS stadium)
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We all love to hate the PAC and Larry Scott but the conference is not dissolving anytime in the next 30 years.godawgst said:
You know we had Oklahoma/Okie State (and begrudgingly Texas, but they were still coming) during round two of Power 16 realignment approx. 3/4 years ago and the conference said thanks but no thanks.Tequilla said:Likely the beginning of the next shake up of trying to get 4 conferences of 16 schools.
PAC needs 4 schools
SEC, ACC, and Big 10 all need 2 schools
Big 12 has 10 schools ... presence of ND makes 11 ... but would be pretty much bound to ACC.
Oklahoma and Texas are obviously the big prizes ... I don't think that there's any chance Oklahoma and Oklahoma don't show up somewhere together.
Kansas may be a fit for the Big 10 because of basketball.
West Virginia probably has somewhere to go whether ACC or Big 10 ... they bring enough to the table.
Iowa State and KState are really basketball schools that probably don't have a home for football.
The non-Texas Texas-based Big 12 schools all have some issues. Tech is the biggest but in the worst location and not really any kind of academic pedigree (#RaiderRash) ... TCU has good programs and academics but the "C" could turn some off as well it being a smaller private school versus large state school ... Baylor is even more of a religion problem than TCU and is facing more uncertainty with what is going on with their football program not to mention the location is shit.
Then you have the non Power 5 schools that have some kind of asset that they bring to the table ... this includes Boise, UConn, Houston, UCF, and Memphis.
Nothing works for the PAC without starting with the Oklahoma schools. I doubt Boise can get their academics up enough or brings really enough to the table (across the board) to warrant inclusion. Probably have to bite the bullet with Texas. That leaves 1 remaining spot for another Texas school. I'd expect the split then to go PAC8 vs New8.
In your opinion, after we snubbed OU and Texas would they even consider coming to the PAC?
We know who Larry Scott is as a commish (miles better than Tom Hansen, but that's not saying much), It will be fascinating to see how bold the Big XII gets. If it was me I would target the LA schools and then the Ariz schools or Utah/Colorado (the prize is obviously SC/UCLA the others are geographical tie in's and don't move the needle much, but if it sells the LA schools I would let them pick).
There's currently 5 power conferences with 4 superconferences the end game. The SEC and Big Ten are locks. It's between the ACC/BIG XII and us for the final two spots. I believe the ACC can pull enough of their bb schools (Syracuse/Pitt/etc) in to get 16. That leaves us and the Big XII for the final spot, and in typical Pac-12 fashion we had the first chance and fucked the dog.
Academis, geography, tradition, prestige, Olympic sports, demographics...Big 12 will be squeezed out if anyone is but at this point I think 5 major conferences is a more likely status quo. -
I didn't meet with this schmuck.
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Houston neighborhood superiority guy.WilburHooksHands said:
The new Houston stadium is way nicer than Rice but Rice is in one of the best neighborhoods in town.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Houston Stadium Superiority GuyMad_Son said:I want Rice to join the Pac-12 because that is the nicest stadium in Houston (unless we count the new Katy HS stadium)
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ESPN is going to launch the ACC Network. So that's 3 out of 4. It's between the Big12 and the Pac.
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ESPN and Texas will decide the fourth majorRaceBannon said:ESPN is going to launch the ACC Network. So that's 3 out of 4. It's between the Big12 and the Pac.
We? lose -
haie said:
Fuck this shit. Larry Scott needs to get back to the pressing matter of figuring out how to get rid of Utah and Colorado and ASU and Arizona.
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que?Tequilla said:
Oklahoma and Texas are obviously the big prizes ... I don't think that there's any chance Oklahoma and Oklahoma don't show up somewhere together. -
Acks Brian Kellyrodmansrage said:
que?Tequilla said:
Oklahoma and Texas are obviously the big prizes ... I don't think that there's any chance Oklahoma and Oklahoma don't show up somewhere together. -
Come up with a realistic conference realignment that cuts out the PAC.RaceBannon said:ESPN is going to launch the ACC Network. So that's 3 out of 4. It's between the Big12 and the Pac.
We? lose
Sorry to interrupt the self-hate session but it's not happening. -
Current XII plus AZ and CA schools.FremontTroll said:
Come up with a realistic conference realignment that cuts out the PAC.RaceBannon said:ESPN is going to launch the ACC Network. So that's 3 out of 4. It's between the Big12 and the Pac.
We? lose
Sorry to interrupt the self-hate session but it's not happening.
You're welcome. -
Turning down UT and the OKie schools and settling for just Utah and Colorado was the beginning of the end.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Current XII plus AZ and CA schools.FremontTroll said:
Come up with a realistic conference realignment that cuts out the PAC.RaceBannon said:ESPN is going to launch the ACC Network. So that's 3 out of 4. It's between the Big12 and the Pac.
We? lose
Sorry to interrupt the self-hate session but it's not happening.
You're welcome.
Can't wait to join the WAC with the other NW Championship schools. -
Plus 1TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Current XII plus AZ and CA schools.FremontTroll said:
Come up with a realistic conference realignment that cuts out the PAC.RaceBannon said:ESPN is going to launch the ACC Network. So that's 3 out of 4. It's between the Big12 and the Pac.
We? lose
Sorry to interrupt the self-hate session but it's not happening.
You're welcome.
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Houston's willing to meet with anybody to try to get their seat at any table ... they aren't negotiating from a position of strength.
Oklahoma and Texas have no reason to leave UNTIL they start making less money than the other big conferences (the Big 12 model isn't set up to be equal parts per school). That will eventually happen.
The PAC is always going to be an intriguing option for both Oklahoma and Texas because of the academics. The idea that the PAC had them both begging to come West isn't really accurate ... the money wasn't there for them. -
Tequilla said:
Houston's willing to meet with anybody to try to get their seat at any table ... they aren't negotiating from a position of strength.
Oklahoma and Texas have no reason to leave UNTIL they start making less money than the other big conferences (the Big 12 model isn't set up to be equal parts per school). That will eventually happen.
The PAC is always going to be an intriguing option for both Oklahoma and Texas becauseof the academics.they know the naive motherfuckers out west can't cheat like the old SWC and the SEC. The idea that the PAC had them both begging to come West isn't really accurate ... the money wasn't there for them. -
So the Cali schools are going to abandon Washington and Oregon to go play West Virginia? Ohok.gif.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Current XII plus AZ and CA schools.FremontTroll said:
Come up with a realistic conference realignment that cuts out the PAC.RaceBannon said:ESPN is going to launch the ACC Network. So that's 3 out of 4. It's between the Big12 and the Pac.
We? lose
Sorry to interrupt the self-hate session but it's not happening.
You're welcome.
We already saw during the last realignment that the Big12 was in the weakest position by far due to having the smallest footprint by population, their location getting squeezed in between three other conferences, and the unequal sharing of power between Texas and the rest. Those issues have only worsened with the defections and the incursion of the SEC into Texas.
There is no PAC school that makes sense as an expansion target for other schools culturally, geographically, or economically. Which is why there has never even been a rumor floated of such happening.
Washington and Oregon (and their little brothers) aren't going to be left out in favor of WVU and Iowa State. -
People forget that ESPN runs college sports.FremontTroll said:
So the Cali schools are going to abandon Washington and Oregon to go play West Virginia? Ohok.gif.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Current XII plus AZ and CA schools.FremontTroll said:
Come up with a realistic conference realignment that cuts out the PAC.RaceBannon said:ESPN is going to launch the ACC Network. So that's 3 out of 4. It's between the Big12 and the Pac.
We? lose
Sorry to interrupt the self-hate session but it's not happening.
You're welcome.
We already saw during the last realignment that the Big12 was in the weakest position by far due to having the smallest footprint by population, their location getting squeezed in between three other conferences, and the unequal sharing of power between Texas and the rest. Those issues have only worsened with the defections and the incursion of the SEC into Texas.
There is no PAC school that makes sense as an expansion target for other schools culturally, geographically, or economically. Which is why there has never even been a rumor floated of such happening.
Washington and Oregon (and their little brothers) aren't going to be left out in favor of WVU and Iowa State.
Why do they need the Pacific Northwest?
