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  • pat_hm
    pat_hm Member Posts: 941
    RaceBannon said:

    I don't have the Pac12 network so I didn't see Browning beat up cripples. Except for WSU (zing) where the defense scored 3 times. I saw him shit the bed when it mattered

    We don't have the luxury of the pac12 network and Ricks's takes down here in sunny So Cal but I still managed to watch the games and yes he did shit the bed at times. No one is disputing that. He played like a true freshman. But he got better throughout the season. I think he'll continue to get better into this year.
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  • sarktastic
    sarktastic Member Posts: 9,208
    pat_hm said:

    RaceBannon said:

    I don't have the Pac12 network so I didn't see Browning beat up cripples. Except for WSU (zing) where the defense scored 3 times. I saw him shit the bed when it mattered

    We don't have the luxury of the pac12 network and Ricks's takes down here in sunny So Cal but I still managed to watch the games and yes he did shit the bed at times. No one is disputing that. He played like a true freshman. But he got better throughout the season. I think he'll continue to get better into this year.
    Can you back this up with someone else's opinions?
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  • pat_hm
    pat_hm Member Posts: 941
    sarktastic said:

    pat_hm said:

    RaceBannon said:

    I don't have the Pac12 network so I didn't see Browning beat up cripples. Except for WSU (zing) where the defense scored 3 times. I saw him shit the bed when it mattered

    We don't have the luxury of the pac12 network and Ricks's takes down here in sunny So Cal but I still managed to watch the games and yes he did shit the bed at times. No one is disputing that. He played like a true freshman. But he got better throughout the season. I think he'll continue to get better into this year.
    Can you back this up with someone else's opinions?
    Huh? You're pressing. Just stop trying to be clever. It's not working.
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  • pat_hm
    pat_hm Member Posts: 941
    dnc said:

    pat_hm said:

    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    pat_hm said:

    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    pat_hm said:

    It's so fun getting all you Anti-Browning people all rlled up.These are facts, idiots. Facts you obviously want to ignore to mold your narrative that the kid sucks. Pathetic.

    An subjective bullshit opinion list is fact?
    Subjective bullshit opinion list?? I think we've got a coug on the board. Wow. Jesus man. Wake up. Do you know anything about PFF?? How they grade out every single play?? It's the fucking opposite of a subjective list you idiot. You see the number under the name, that's a grade. Do you know what a grade is? If you grade positive your a good player, if you grade negative your a bad player. Catching on?

    If you want a good subjective list go read Adam Jude or Ted Miller, their lists might be a little easier for your bird brain to comprehend.
    They do a lot of work on their subjective grading, but it's still subjective.
    Disagree
    It's subjective. They watch every play and draw conclusions based on their eyes about what happened, then gather those conclusions into larger samples of data. It's subjective analysis disguised as objective.

    This doesn't mean it's worthless, I'd rather be near the top than not. But PFF just ranked the Seahawks like #13 in the NFL in roster talent. Their methodology is questionable, to say the least.
    I just don't think subjective is the right term. Sure, there is some subjectivity involved when deciding just how bad or a good a specific play is. A interception is clearly a -2, but the difference between a good throw and a great through is up for debate. I trust football scouts, guys who've spent their entire careers analyzing film over the idiots who's only argument is he throws a bad deep ball (which is completely false).

    This is a more detailed breakdown if you're interested: https://www.profootballfocus.com/about/how-we-grade/

    Have you watched the Seahawks offensive line? That unit alone would keep us out of the top 10 despite Russ, Earl etc. Personally I believe in their methodology but I guess not everyone buys into the analytical side of football.
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  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,855
    pat_hm said:

    dnc said:

    pat_hm said:

    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    pat_hm said:

    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    pat_hm said:

    It's so fun getting all you Anti-Browning people all rlled up.These are facts, idiots. Facts you obviously want to ignore to mold your narrative that the kid sucks. Pathetic.

    An subjective bullshit opinion list is fact?
    Subjective bullshit opinion list?? I think we've got a coug on the board. Wow. Jesus man. Wake up. Do you know anything about PFF?? How they grade out every single play?? It's the fucking opposite of a subjective list you idiot. You see the number under the name, that's a grade. Do you know what a grade is? If you grade positive your a good player, if you grade negative your a bad player. Catching on?

    If you want a good subjective list go read Adam Jude or Ted Miller, their lists might be a little easier for your bird brain to comprehend.
    They do a lot of work on their subjective grading, but it's still subjective.
    Disagree
    It's subjective. They watch every play and draw conclusions based on their eyes about what happened, then gather those conclusions into larger samples of data. It's subjective analysis disguised as objective.

    This doesn't mean it's worthless, I'd rather be near the top than not. But PFF just ranked the Seahawks like #13 in the NFL in roster talent. Their methodology is questionable, to say the least.
    I just don't think subjective is the right term. Sure, there is some subjectivity involved when deciding just how bad or a good a specific play is. A interception is clearly a -2, but the difference between a good throw and a great through is up for debate. I trust football scouts, guys who've spent their entire careers analyzing film over the idiots who's only argument is he throws a bad deep ball (which is completely false).

    This is a more detailed breakdown if you're interested: https://www.profootballfocus.com/about/how-we-grade/

    Have you watched the Seahawks offensive line? That unit alone would keep us out of the top 10 despite Russ, Earl etc. Personally I believe in their methodology but I guess not everyone buys into the analytical side of football.
    Any argument for the Seahawks outside of the top 10 in the NFL talent rankings is absolutely ridiculous IMO. They have one weak unit which is actually pretty good at run blocking just terrible at pass blocking, and the perfect QB to compensate for that weakness. They're good to very great at every other position group. Honestly they shouldn't be outside the top 5.
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  • pat_hm
    pat_hm Member Posts: 941
    dnc said:

    pat_hm said:

    dnc said:

    pat_hm said:

    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    pat_hm said:

    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    pat_hm said:

    It's so fun getting all you Anti-Browning people all rlled up.These are facts, idiots. Facts you obviously want to ignore to mold your narrative that the kid sucks. Pathetic.

    An subjective bullshit opinion list is fact?
    Subjective bullshit opinion list?? I think we've got a coug on the board. Wow. Jesus man. Wake up. Do you know anything about PFF?? How they grade out every single play?? It's the fucking opposite of a subjective list you idiot. You see the number under the name, that's a grade. Do you know what a grade is? If you grade positive your a good player, if you grade negative your a bad player. Catching on?

    If you want a good subjective list go read Adam Jude or Ted Miller, their lists might be a little easier for your bird brain to comprehend.
    They do a lot of work on their subjective grading, but it's still subjective.
    Disagree
    It's subjective. They watch every play and draw conclusions based on their eyes about what happened, then gather those conclusions into larger samples of data. It's subjective analysis disguised as objective.

    This doesn't mean it's worthless, I'd rather be near the top than not. But PFF just ranked the Seahawks like #13 in the NFL in roster talent. Their methodology is questionable, to say the least.
    I just don't think subjective is the right term. Sure, there is some subjectivity involved when deciding just how bad or a good a specific play is. A interception is clearly a -2, but the difference between a good throw and a great through is up for debate. I trust football scouts, guys who've spent their entire careers analyzing film over the idiots who's only argument is he throws a bad deep ball (which is completely false).

    This is a more detailed breakdown if you're interested: https://www.profootballfocus.com/about/how-we-grade/

    Have you watched the Seahawks offensive line? That unit alone would keep us out of the top 10 despite Russ, Earl etc. Personally I believe in their methodology but I guess not everyone buys into the analytical side of football.
    Any argument for the Seahawks outside of the top 10 in the NFL talent rankings is absolutely ridiculous IMO. They have one weak unit which is actually pretty good at run blocking just terrible at pass blocking, and the perfect QB to compensate for that weakness. They're good to very great at every other position group. Honestly they shouldn't be outside the top 5.
    I don't have what you are citing in front of me (link?) so I don't want to make any assumptions but the Hawks last season weren't the same as the Super Bowl team in 13. You just need to take off your neon green 12 glasses.

    Kam held out and our secondary didn't play like they have in the past. Dion Bailey was a disaster. Shead played alright. We never found a second corner. I don't think Earl was ever 100% last year, still recovering from the shoulder. Wagner missed time. Jimmy went down and underwhelming. Lynch also wasn't himself. Rawls went down and our starting running back was Dejuan Fucking Harris!! It was a weird year. Still recovering from the super bowl hangover. They weren't as dominate so 13 doesn't feel completely off.
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