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  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,052

    Lol at the ~80% of Libertarians against mandatory vaccinations.

    I get this argument. But think about it...violence and coersion aren't the only means of influencing people to do something. Easily more than 80% of libertarians believe that children should be vaccinated.
    I believe kids should get vaccinated because kids, if not coat-hangered in the third trimester, should be given a chance to live. I don't need the fucking government to tell me that.

    But I do need the fucking government to make all those dumbfucks who SHOULD have coathangered their babies and don't like their kids living longer to get theirs vaccinated so I"m not just paying for their WIC program AND their healthcare more than absolutely necessary.

    That's the wrong direction, though. Your main issue should be with WIC and Medicaid, and by endorsing mandatory vaccinations you are indirectly supporting those social programs.
    I'm supporting more coat-hangering by dumbfucks in the third trimester.

    If the little fucks make it out, give them a shot.
  • dhdawg
    dhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    Tequilla said:

    95% Feelin the Bern.

    So you're a lazy gubermint saggy tit sucker. Fuck you
    Sorry, no. I assume I scored so well with Bernie (and Paul was my top GOP) because I think the NSA is shitting on our privacy rights (for no gain), our foreign policy is retarded, and that corporate campaign contributions and gerrymandering are corrupt and undemocratic.

    Also, I have a LOT more money than you do.

    Is it Friday yet?
    Is the NSA not gaining because it is infringing on privacy or because we're not utilizing it effectively?

    Although we all have our own skeletons one way or another, I guess I look at privacy as the type of thing that it's not a huge issue if you have nothing to hide. And in a world where "the enemy" is completely changing the way in which the game is played, you have to change the way that you think about the game as well.

    I guess what I'm saying is that I don't have a problem standing in line at the airport for an hour to go through security if it is being done effectively. And likewise, I don't have a problem with people scanning through my phone records for messages or calls that I may make. I don't have anything to hide in that regard and if somehow I am in communication with someone that does have something to hide and get contacted, then I'd be interested in doing what I could do to my part.
    good grief
  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098

    Tequilla said:


    That being said, I've got no problem sacrificing some rights for greater security.

    Go ahead and sacrifice them, then. That's fine. But if you want to make me sacrifice mine, you're an asshole.
    That's a very fair point ... hadn't really thought about it from that perspective.
  • seatownfunk
    seatownfunk Member Posts: 807
    image

    I'm shaking and about to vomit
  • RoadTrip
    RoadTrip Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,146 Founders Club

    95% Feelin the Bern.

    So you're a lazy gubermint saggy tit sucker. Fuck you
    Sorry, no. I assume I scored so well with Bernie (and Paul was my top GOP) because I think the NSA is shitting on our privacy rights (for no gain), our foreign policy is retarded, and that corporate campaign contributions and gerrymandering are corrupt and undemocratic.

    Also, I have a LOT more money than you do.

    Is it Friday yet?
    No cunt you dont
  • ThomasFremont
    ThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325

    95% Feelin the Bern.

    So you're a lazy gubermint saggy tit sucker. Fuck you
    Sorry, no. I assume I scored so well with Bernie (and Paul was my top GOP) because I think the NSA is shitting on our privacy rights (for no gain), our foreign policy is retarded, and that corporate campaign contributions and gerrymandering are corrupt and undemocratic.

    Also, I have a LOT more money than you do.

    Is it Friday yet?
    No cunt you dont
    Sounds like something a poor person would say.
  • DugtheDoog
    DugtheDoog Member Posts: 3,180
    edited February 2016
    Tequilla said:

    I would never give up freedoms ... that's insane.

    And I don't at all buy that giving law enforcement the opportunity to protect is a sacrificing of liberties if done correctly. Knowing all of my conversations, what I send by email, etc., is insane and doesn't need to happen without a warrant. Cross checking my calls against other numbers, etc. in the form of data I don't find as a problem.

    Some may have a problem with people even knowing who they are talking to. I don't. Some may hate airport security. I can live with it. Some things are inconveniences but they are far from deal breakers to me.

    You just said you'd have "no problem giving up some rights." If you have a right to free speech you have freedom of speech. I'm sure you'll write a TL;DR about the difference between rights and freedoms. But there's a reason it's called the Bill of Rights and each amendment is broken down as a "freedom." i.e. freedom of speech.

    For example, the 4th Amendment. You know, the one that gives you the freedom to travel within the country unmolested unless provided a search warrant first, obtained by a judge for a specific reason? You would never give up freedoms, eh? So I take it you've stopped all domestic air travel since 9/11 since you would never give up your 4th Amendment freedoms. Right? Or do you believe that simply traveling on a moving air vehicle is "probable cause"?
  • ThomasFremont
    ThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
    Look at all these TUFF guys here that are sick and tired of their tax dollars going to programs like WIC.

    Christ
  • RoadTrip
    RoadTrip Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,146 Founders Club

    95% Feelin the Bern.

    So you're a lazy gubermint saggy tit sucker. Fuck you
    Sorry, no. I assume I scored so well with Bernie (and Paul was my top GOP) because I think the NSA is shitting on our privacy rights (for no gain), our foreign policy is retarded, and that corporate campaign contributions and gerrymandering are corrupt and undemocratic.

    Also, I have a LOT more money than you do.

    Is it Friday yet?
    No cunt you dont
    Sounds like something a poor person would say.
    the projection is strong in this 1
  • ThomasFremont
    ThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325

    95% Feelin the Bern.

    So you're a lazy gubermint saggy tit sucker. Fuck you
    Sorry, no. I assume I scored so well with Bernie (and Paul was my top GOP) because I think the NSA is shitting on our privacy rights (for no gain), our foreign policy is retarded, and that corporate campaign contributions and gerrymandering are corrupt and undemocratic.

    Also, I have a LOT more money than you do.

    Is it Friday yet?
    No cunt you dont
    Sounds like something a poor person would say.
    the projection is strong in this 1
    Go pick my cotton, boy.
  • RoadTrip
    RoadTrip Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,146 Founders Club

    95% Feelin the Bern.

    So you're a lazy gubermint saggy tit sucker. Fuck you
    Sorry, no. I assume I scored so well with Bernie (and Paul was my top GOP) because I think the NSA is shitting on our privacy rights (for no gain), our foreign policy is retarded, and that corporate campaign contributions and gerrymandering are corrupt and undemocratic.

    Also, I have a LOT more money than you do.

    Is it Friday yet?
    No cunt you dont
    Sounds like something a poor person would say.
    the projection is strong in this 1
    Go pick my cotton, boy.
    I see you thought fast
  • ThomasFremont
    ThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325

    95% Feelin the Bern.

    So you're a lazy gubermint saggy tit sucker. Fuck you
    Sorry, no. I assume I scored so well with Bernie (and Paul was my top GOP) because I think the NSA is shitting on our privacy rights (for no gain), our foreign policy is retarded, and that corporate campaign contributions and gerrymandering are corrupt and undemocratic.

    Also, I have a LOT more money than you do.

    Is it Friday yet?
    No cunt you dont
    Sounds like something a poor person would say.
    the projection is strong in this 1
    Go pick my cotton, boy.
    I see you thought fast
    You're still here?
  • RoadTrip
    RoadTrip Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,146 Founders Club

    95% Feelin the Bern.

    So you're a lazy gubermint saggy tit sucker. Fuck you
    Sorry, no. I assume I scored so well with Bernie (and Paul was my top GOP) because I think the NSA is shitting on our privacy rights (for no gain), our foreign policy is retarded, and that corporate campaign contributions and gerrymandering are corrupt and undemocratic.

    Also, I have a LOT more money than you do.

    Is it Friday yet?
    No cunt you dont
    Sounds like something a poor person would say.
    the projection is strong in this 1
    Go pick my cotton, boy.
    I see you thought fast
    You're still here?
    don't be so butt hurt doog #32 isn't that bad
  • ThomasFremont
    ThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325

    95% Feelin the Bern.

    So you're a lazy gubermint saggy tit sucker. Fuck you
    Sorry, no. I assume I scored so well with Bernie (and Paul was my top GOP) because I think the NSA is shitting on our privacy rights (for no gain), our foreign policy is retarded, and that corporate campaign contributions and gerrymandering are corrupt and undemocratic.

    Also, I have a LOT more money than you do.

    Is it Friday yet?
    No cunt you dont
    Sounds like something a poor person would say.
    the projection is strong in this 1
    Go pick my cotton, boy.
    I see you thought fast
    You're still here?
    don't be so butt hurt doog #32 isn't that bad
    huh?
  • BennyBeaver
    BennyBeaver Member Posts: 13,346
    Is it Friday yet?
  • Fire_Marshall_Bill
    Fire_Marshall_Bill Member Posts: 25,613 Standard Supporter
    Harv and OBK are banned but this Raider try hard is still here?

    I'm not saying anyone should be banned, but they were at least mildly entertaining at times
  • PurpleJ
    PurpleJ Member Posts: 37,643 Founders Club
    If you *still* haven't figured out who this is, I can't help you. Then again, it's Bill so I already knew that.
  • RoadTrip
    RoadTrip Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,146 Founders Club
    PurpleJ said:

    If you *still* haven't figured out who this is, I can't help you. Then again, it's Bill so I already knew that.

    fuck i'm gonna have to change my name
  • PurpleJ
    PurpleJ Member Posts: 37,643 Founders Club

    PurpleJ said:

    If you *still* haven't figured out who this is, I can't help you. Then again, it's Bill so I already knew that.

    fuck i'm gonna have to change my name
    How about FreeCollegeDoog?
  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098
    If you are suggesting that not having a problem going through airport security is a sign of giving up freedoms and rights ... that's insane.
  • ThomasFremont
    ThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
    Tequilla said:

    If you are suggesting that not having a problem going through airport security is a sign of giving up freedoms and rights ... that's insane.

    Additional airport security and the TSA are fucking bullshit. Why don't small government types focus on shutting them down instead of social issue BS like PP and NPR??? Old ladies in wheelchairs getting strip searched. People with metal knees/hips being detained. Randomly deciding to hold people and pat them down inside their pants. Body scan images of naked bodies being leaked online. Do I really have to explain why this is a problem?

    We're also talking about data mining private info like emails, text messages, phone calls, etc. without a warrant.

    Edward Snowden has said repeatedly that the NSA has ALL of the dick pics. ALL OF THEM. Because they can, and nobody has stopped them. This sounds like a joke, but it's real.

    Now, that might not be a specific issue for you or me or anyone we know, but that's just an example of the shit they are collecting illegally. Throw in some assistance from the likes of Apple and Facebook (corps with massive user base) and they can see all kinds of shit about you.

    Getting patted down going into a sporting event has become commonplace. The TSA is joked about, but accepted. Your private communication is being collected and most people don't know. Or they're like you and they don't care because they think it makes them safe.

    Except it has not made anyone safer. It's a fucking illusion. Zero terror plots foiled. ZERO. Rights still taken away. And all the GOP candidates (except Rand, RIP) are doubling down on fear and extra security because of Paris and San Bernadino. The left gets criticized for blaming guns and wanting stricter gun control, but this is much worse IMHO. Not sure why the 2nd amendment is more important than the 4th, 5th, and 14th.

    tl;dr fuck off
  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098
    And that's the difference ...

    You're focused on what has been done previously and looking at it from the standpoint that it hasn't worked so therefore it will never work ...

    I look at things from the standpoint of what is the underlying point and can it be improved for the desired result ...

    I 100% agree that the status quo is not executed in a way that makes any kind of sense ... but that doesn't mean that there can't be some value in what is being done.
  • ThomasFremont
    ThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
    Tequilla said:

    And that's the difference ...

    You're focused on what has been done previously and looking at it from the standpoint that it hasn't worked so therefore it will never work ...

    I look at things from the standpoint of what is the underlying point and can it be improved for the desired result ...

    I 100% agree that the status quo is not executed in a way that makes any kind of sense ... but that doesn't mean that there can't be some value in what is being done.

    This explains why you always support shitty football coaches.
  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,913

    I took it again and feel the Bern was 93% again, Hills was 85 or something and now Jebediah was up to 60. Huckabee wasn't even near what he was the first time.

    It said something like center left authoritarian.

    To really d be as accurate as possible one should probably do all 10-15 questions from each section and slide the importance scale if applicable. I only did three on some and the full 12 or so on others and I forgot to check the importance scale half the time.

    We will appreciate the exponential redistribution of your wealth should we all feel the bern.
  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,913

    Woof said:

    salemcoog said:

    Thinking one case proves there are more cases. This is the generation with all those critical thinking skills I've been hearing about.

    Patiently waiting for any counterpoint that includes evidence that there are not cases of voter fraud.
    From a guy who studies voter fraud:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/08/06/a-comprehensive-investigation-of-voter-impersonation-finds-31-credible-incidents-out-of-one-billion-ballots-cast/

    Our apathetic citizenry can barely vote once, let alone fraudulently register and vote multiple times. This shouldn't be too hard to figure out. Democrats want to make it as easy as possible for people to register and vote so they can turn out the lazy and unemployed. Republicans want to suppress the vote to prevent these same people from voting against them. Screw all of our failed leaders for letting it get to this point (similar to what flea said).
    Their talking point from this will be "31 cases! We told you it was an epidemic!".
    Baskin and Robbins appreciates your input.
  • dhdawg
    dhdawg Member Posts: 13,326

    Tequilla said:

    If you are suggesting that not having a problem going through airport security is a sign of giving up freedoms and rights ... that's insane.

    Additional airport security and the TSA are fucking bullshit. Why don't small government types focus on shutting them down instead of social issue BS like PP and NPR??? Old ladies in wheelchairs getting strip searched. People with metal knees/hips being detained. Randomly deciding to hold people and pat them down inside their pants. Body scan images of naked bodies being leaked online. Do I really have to explain why this is a problem?

    We're also talking about data mining private info like emails, text messages, phone calls, etc. without a warrant.

    Edward Snowden has said repeatedly that the NSA has ALL of the dick pics. ALL OF THEM. Because they can, and nobody has stopped them. This sounds like a joke, but it's real.

    Now, that might not be a specific issue for you or me or anyone we know, but that's just an example of the shit they are collecting illegally. Throw in some assistance from the likes of Apple and Facebook (corps with massive user base) and they can see all kinds of shit about you.

    Getting patted down going into a sporting event has become commonplace. The TSA is joked about, but accepted. Your private communication is being collected and most people don't know. Or they're like you and they don't care because they think it makes them safe.

    Except it has not made anyone safer. It's a fucking illusion. Zero terror plots foiled. ZERO. Rights still taken away. And all the GOP candidates (except Rand, RIP) are doubling down on fear and extra security because of Paris and San Bernadino. The left gets criticized for blaming guns and wanting stricter gun control, but this is much worse IMHO. Not sure why the 2nd amendment is more important than the 4th, 5th, and 14th.

    tl;dr fuck off
    Rand and Sanders are/were the only 2 in this race carrying that flag. One of if not the biggest reasons for my support. I really hope the GOP goes Libertarian soon, but fear mongering will likely continue to win out unfortunately
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,728 Standard Supporter

    Tequilla said:

    If you are suggesting that not having a problem going through airport security is a sign of giving up freedoms and rights ... that's insane.

    Additional airport security and the TSA are fucking bullshit. Why don't small government types focus on shutting them down instead of social issue BS like PP and NPR??? Old ladies in wheelchairs getting strip searched. People with metal knees/hips being detained. Randomly deciding to hold people and pat them down inside their pants. Body scan images of naked bodies being leaked online. Do I really have to explain why this is a problem?

    We're also talking about data mining private info like emails, text messages, phone calls, etc. without a warrant.

    Edward Snowden has said repeatedly that the NSA has ALL of the dick pics. ALL OF THEM. Because they can, and nobody has stopped them. This sounds like a joke, but it's real.

    Now, that might not be a specific issue for you or me or anyone we know, but that's just an example of the shit they are collecting illegally. Throw in some assistance from the likes of Apple and Facebook (corps with massive user base) and they can see all kinds of shit about you.

    Getting patted down going into a sporting event has become commonplace. The TSA is joked about, but accepted. Your private communication is being collected and most people don't know. Or they're like you and they don't care because they think it makes them safe.

    Except it has not made anyone safer. It's a fucking illusion. Zero terror plots foiled. ZERO. Rights still taken away. And all the GOP candidates (except Rand, RIP) are doubling down on fear and extra security because of Paris and San Bernadino. The left gets criticized for blaming guns and wanting stricter gun control, but this is much worse IMHO. Not sure why the 2nd amendment is more important than the 4th, 5th, and 14th.

    tl;dr fuck off
    People wonder how Roberts flipped on Obunghole care? Could it be the NSA having every phone call and email etc. of everyone on file? Does anyone think that can't be used for blackmail?

    Nothing burns my ass like all these whining commie asshats! Yes communists. They use code words like "progressive, socialist" etc. but it's communist drivel. It's a free country and Cuba's only 90 miles head on over to that workers paradise if that's what you want but people that believe in this crap and Bernie don't belong here.

    How people could back a political system responsible for over 100 million deaths last century is beyond me.