2) If it wasn't already obvious to Oregon fans, supporters, donors, AD, and Uncle Phil that Slingblade wasn't the right guy, they're entering Pat Haden territory
3) The idea that people have of handing the ball to the same RB 30-40x per game week in and week out isn't consistent with the way that football is played today and borders on dinosaur thinking
5) To say that Oregon should have just run the football isn't paying attention to what actually happened in the game. Comments that people make that are over generalizations about what a coach should do acting like he shouldn't do that is one of my pet peeves and really fucking bothers me. It's fine to play arm chair QB, but get your facts straight when you do so versus just popping off just because something didn't work out. Oregon's drives in the 2nd half are as follows:
Drive #1:
1st down: Run Freeman for 6 yards 2nd down: Fumbled snap for -20 yards 3rd down: Run Freeman for 3 yards
Drive #2:
Fumbled Kickoff
Drive #3:
1st Down: Freeman run for 6 yards 2nd Down: Freeman run for 4 yards, First Down 1st Down: Freeman run for 8 yards 2nd Down: Freeman run for 6 yards, First Down 1st Down: Freeman run for 4 yards 2nd Down: Benoit run for 2 yards 3rd Down: Fumbled snap for -5 yards
Drive #4:
1st Down: Lockie pass to Addison for -1 yards 2nd Down: Freeman for 4 yards 3rd Down: Lockie incomplete
By my count, Oregon ran 29 meaningful snaps in the 2nd half. Of those 29, Freeman got the ball either as a runner or receiver 14 of those 29 plays with 3 of the 29 plays fumbled snaps that may or may not have gone to Freeman. The reality is that Oregon's offense with Lockie all year sucked in so many ways largely driven by the fact that they didn't trust anything in the passing game and therefore turned to the RBs (because they didn't trust Lockie to run) ... and defenses knew it. I don't care how talented you are, when teams don't have to respect areas of other teams and can make them one dimensional, they tend to be fairly easy to contain. And anybody that has paid an ounce of attention to TCU's maligned defense this year, this has been the case at Oklahoma once Mayfield was injured, against Baylor as soon as the weather got as shitty as I've ever experienced at a game rendering the passing game useless, and then last night when they didn't have to respect Lockie's ability to beat them with his arm.
Drives 4, 5, & 8 are the killers because Freeman either got 1 or 0 touches on those drives. Even your fucking stupid OC went away from the run following Oregon's FG in OT. Dude went full Sark mode and you're lucky TCU's kicker is good or else we'd be talking about how TCU almost pulled out a great come from behind victory.
2) If it wasn't already obvious to Oregon fans, supporters, donors, AD, and Uncle Phil that Slingblade wasn't the right guy, they're entering Pat Haden territory
3) The idea that people have of handing the ball to the same RB 30-40x per game week in and week out isn't consistent with the way that football is played today and borders on dinosaur thinking
5) To say that Oregon should have just run the football isn't paying attention to what actually happened in the game. Comments that people make that are over generalizations about what a coach should do acting like he shouldn't do that is one of my pet peeves and really fucking bothers me. It's fine to play arm chair QB, but get your facts straight when you do so versus just popping off just because something didn't work out. Oregon's drives in the 2nd half are as follows:
Drive #1:
1st down: Run Freeman for 6 yards 2nd down: Fumbled snap for -20 yards 3rd down: Run Freeman for 3 yards
Drive #2:
Fumbled Kickoff
Drive #3:
1st Down: Freeman run for 6 yards 2nd Down: Freeman run for 4 yards, First Down 1st Down: Freeman run for 8 yards 2nd Down: Freeman run for 6 yards, First Down 1st Down: Freeman run for 4 yards 2nd Down: Benoit run for 2 yards 3rd Down: Fumbled snap for -5 yards
Drive #4:
1st Down: Lockie pass to Addison for -1 yards 2nd Down: Freeman for 4 yards 3rd Down: Lockie incomplete
By my count, Oregon ran 29 meaningful snaps in the 2nd half. Of those 29, Freeman got the ball either as a runner or receiver 14 of those 29 plays with 3 of the 29 plays fumbled snaps that may or may not have gone to Freeman. The reality is that Oregon's offense with Lockie all year sucked in so many ways largely driven by the fact that they didn't trust anything in the passing game and therefore turned to the RBs (because they didn't trust Lockie to run) ... and defenses knew it. I don't care how talented you are, when teams don't have to respect areas of other teams and can make them one dimensional, they tend to be fairly easy to contain. And anybody that has paid an ounce of attention to TCU's maligned defense this year, this has been the case at Oklahoma once Mayfield was injured, against Baylor as soon as the weather got as shitty as I've ever experienced at a game rendering the passing game useless, and then last night when they didn't have to respect Lockie's ability to beat them with his arm.
Drives 4, 5, & 8 are the killers because Freeman either got 1 or 0 touches on those drives. Even your fucking stupid OC went away from the run following Oregon's FG in OT. Dude went full Sark mode and you're lucky TCU's kicker is good or else we'd be talking about how TCU almost pulled out a great come from behind victory.
Drive 8 Freeman took himself out, wasn't in the game.
2) If it wasn't already obvious to Oregon fans, supporters, donors, AD, and Uncle Phil that Slingblade wasn't the right guy, they're entering Pat Haden territory
3) The idea that people have of handing the ball to the same RB 30-40x per game week in and week out isn't consistent with the way that football is played today and borders on dinosaur thinking
5) To say that Oregon should have just run the football isn't paying attention to what actually happened in the game. Comments that people make that are over generalizations about what a coach should do acting like he shouldn't do that is one of my pet peeves and really fucking bothers me. It's fine to play arm chair QB, but get your facts straight when you do so versus just popping off just because something didn't work out. Oregon's drives in the 2nd half are as follows:
Drive #1:
1st down: Run Freeman for 6 yards 2nd down: Fumbled snap for -20 yards 3rd down: Run Freeman for 3 yards
Drive #2:
Fumbled Kickoff
Drive #3:
1st Down: Freeman run for 6 yards 2nd Down: Freeman run for 4 yards, First Down 1st Down: Freeman run for 8 yards 2nd Down: Freeman run for 6 yards, First Down 1st Down: Freeman run for 4 yards 2nd Down: Benoit run for 2 yards 3rd Down: Fumbled snap for -5 yards
Drive #4:
1st Down: Lockie pass to Addison for -1 yards 2nd Down: Freeman for 4 yards 3rd Down: Lockie incomplete
By my count, Oregon ran 29 meaningful snaps in the 2nd half. Of those 29, Freeman got the ball either as a runner or receiver 14 of those 29 plays with 3 of the 29 plays fumbled snaps that may or may not have gone to Freeman. The reality is that Oregon's offense with Lockie all year sucked in so many ways largely driven by the fact that they didn't trust anything in the passing game and therefore turned to the RBs (because they didn't trust Lockie to run) ... and defenses knew it. I don't care how talented you are, when teams don't have to respect areas of other teams and can make them one dimensional, they tend to be fairly easy to contain. And anybody that has paid an ounce of attention to TCU's maligned defense this year, this has been the case at Oklahoma once Mayfield was injured, against Baylor as soon as the weather got as shitty as I've ever experienced at a game rendering the passing game useless, and then last night when they didn't have to respect Lockie's ability to beat them with his arm.
Drives 4, 5, & 8 are the killers because Freeman either got 1 or 0 touches on those drives. Even your fucking stupid OC went away from the run following Oregon's FG in OT. Dude went full Sark mode and you're lucky TCU's kicker is good or else we'd be talking about how TCU almost pulled out a great come from behind victory.
Drive 8 Freeman took himself out wasn't in the game.
Freeman had 13 carries for 57 yards in the second half. So an average of 4. None went longer than 8 yards. The game could have gone either way. I doubt the decision to not feature Freeman on almost every play cost Oregon the game.
They lost because their defense is awful and they lost the winning mentality they had under Chip.
Freeman had 13 carries for 57 yards in the second half. So an average of 4. None went longer than 8 yards. The game could have gone either way. I doubt the decision to not feature Freeman on almost every play cost Oregon the game.
They lost because their defense is awful and they lost the winning mentality they had under Chip.
Lockie was 7/15 for 36 yards. Threw the ball 15 times... He should have maybe attempted 6 passes that 2nd half.
Disagree. A few of those throws were in situations where they had no choice to do so. Another handful of those throws were WR screens that were more or less running plays. They didn't make too many throws with Lockie where he wasn't either throwing a screen or checking it down to Freeman.
The problem is that when a team realizes that they don't have to respect the downfield passing game, they aren't putting 8 in the box, they are putting 9 in the box and it not only allows them to run blitz all of the running lanes, but also allows them to run a fire blitz right up the middle to blow up the QB just in case he does decide to do play action.
Let me make simple. Oregon is fucking horrib l e with Lockie because he is terrible. Oregon is really fucking good with Adams.
If Montana boy is good, Oregon will be good. If he's not Chip Kelly will be back in '17, if Haden doesnnt snatch him up 1st, when H e lton gets murdered by Alabama and goes 5-7.
Dakota Prukop, Mont. St. QB. 28 TDs, 10 ints. 2nd team All Conf in Big Sky. 3k plus yards in 11 games. Conf record: 3-5, overall 5-6. (9th place/13 teams.) Decent QB, good runner, but not elusive like VAJ, and unlike VAJ, never played a Pac12 team. Ducks: This is your man in 2016.
Dakota Prukop, Mont. St. QB. 28 TDs, 10 ints. 2nd team All Conf in Big Sky. 3k plus yards in 11 games. Conf record: 3-5, overall 5-6. (9th place/13 teams.) Decent QB, good runner, but not elusive like VAJ, and unlike VAJ, never played a Pac12 team. Ducks: This is your man in 2016.
2) If it wasn't already obvious to Oregon fans, supporters, donors, AD, and Uncle Phil that Slingblade wasn't the right guy, they're entering Pat Haden territory
3) The idea that people have of handing the ball to the same RB 30-40x per game week in and week out isn't consistent with the way that football is played today and borders on dinosaur thinking
5) To say that Oregon should have just run the football isn't paying attention to what actually happened in the game. Comments that people make that are over generalizations about what a coach should do acting like he shouldn't do that is one of my pet peeves and really fucking bothers me. It's fine to play arm chair QB, but get your facts straight when you do so versus just popping off just because something didn't work out. Oregon's drives in the 2nd half are as follows:
Drive #1:
1st down: Run Freeman for 6 yards 2nd down: Fumbled snap for -20 yards 3rd down: Run Freeman for 3 yards
Drive #2:
Fumbled Kickoff
Drive #3:
1st Down: Freeman run for 6 yards 2nd Down: Freeman run for 4 yards, First Down 1st Down: Freeman run for 8 yards 2nd Down: Freeman run for 6 yards, First Down 1st Down: Freeman run for 4 yards 2nd Down: Benoit run for 2 yards 3rd Down: Fumbled snap for -5 yards
Drive #4:
1st Down: Lockie pass to Addison for -1 yards 2nd Down: Freeman for 4 yards 3rd Down: Lockie incomplete
By my count, Oregon ran 29 meaningful snaps in the 2nd half. Of those 29, Freeman got the ball either as a runner or receiver 14 of those 29 plays with 3 of the 29 plays fumbled snaps that may or may not have gone to Freeman. The reality is that Oregon's offense with Lockie all year sucked in so many ways largely driven by the fact that they didn't trust anything in the passing game and therefore turned to the RBs (because they didn't trust Lockie to run) ... and defenses knew it. I don't care how talented you are, when teams don't have to respect areas of other teams and can make them one dimensional, they tend to be fairly easy to contain. And anybody that has paid an ounce of attention to TCU's maligned defense this year, this has been the case at Oklahoma once Mayfield was injured, against Baylor as soon as the weather got as shitty as I've ever experienced at a game rendering the passing game useless, and then last night when they didn't have to respect Lockie's ability to beat them with his arm.
Did you read this before poasting it? Re-read, and look at the number you typed next to the name "Freeman" each time. "Freeman for 4, 6, 8, 6,4, 5, 8, ...."
The worst run was 1 yard a couple of times, one of those was a 1 yd. TD which doesn't matter. The rest showed a worst result of 4 fucking yards, 3 yards once I guess, eith of which is something I'll take every day.
Every other play that didn't go to Freeman, EVERY SINGLE OTHER PLAY, something bad happened. The fucked up snaps were all from the shot gun.
Can you review this and re-make your point please?
Let me explain something to you and to Krisvashon and Oregondawg: Oregon's offense is not a gimmick and it's not finesse and it's not complicated. IT IS PREDICATED OFF OF THE RUN. When Oregon can run, and they often can, they almost always win unless their play caller inexplicably wants to do something else.
Their passing game is not sophisticated nor complicated nor does it require Dan Marino to run it. It is predicated off of the run.
If Brenner can't snap the fucking ball in the gun, AND HE CAN'T, don't make him do it while nursing a 31 point fucking lead. Brenner did that every time he had to play - but Vaj was able to handle it because he can buy more time in the pocket than Lockie. Line Lockie the fuck up under center, hand the ball off UNTIL THEY STACK THE BOX AND TAKE IT AWAY, and then you'll have open receivers that even Lockie can hit.
You talk about TCU like they are the second coming of my Canes from 1980s. They are not. TCU is not capable of stacking the box against Oregon to stop the run and shutting down Carrington and company all at the same time. At least not often enough to eat up a 31 point deficit. No way. I'm almost sure I could have coached Oregon to a win that night.
I don't really give a fuck, but I will say this without qualification: If Helfrich feeds Freeman, spelling him once in a while with another RB, and minimizes Lockie's role and makes it a little easier for the kid, TCU never gets back in that game.
That game was remarkable to me for one very simple reason: I've never seen a team blow a 31 pt. lead without the other team really cranking up their level of play. Make no mistake Senor Frog, TCU was ass crack average in the second half too. Oregon just sucked THAT bad in the second half and laid down like a French whore during the Nazi occupation.
Offense kept going out and the defense was on the field too long. Everyone knows Oregon's D can't be on the field too long. Even Buckner, who is a beast, wore down.
Freeman had 13 carries for 57 yards in the second half. So an average of 4. None went longer than 8 yards. The game could have gone either way. I doubt the decision to not feature Freeman on almost every play cost Oregon the game.
They lost because their defense is awful and they lost the winning mentality they had under Chip.
They lost because they kept a really bad backup in the shot gun with a center who can only snap the ball to ankles. Coupled with Nelson's fumble on the kick return, it was a perfect storm of shit for Oregon.
Read Tequilla's book post on how stupid it is to argue for feeding Freeman. Look at the word "Freeman" in his poast and then look to the right of that name each time it is referenced and tell me the number you see.
And remember, too, that this was a 31 pt. lead. The doesn't go "either way" if I'm coaching them. It goes Oregon's way.
TCU is not that good, they were undermanned and outclassed ... that's how the first half happened.
With a 31 pt. lead and the other team playing with their backkup, you don't even need a winning mentality. You need only be remotely competent in your play calling given the situation.
Again, make it simple for Lockie. Line him up under center, where Brenner can't fuck it up so much, hand the ball to Freeman, spell him here and there when he taps out, and wait for TCU to load the box. Then you'll have some simple first down-type passes to hit that will keep them honest.
As I said to Tequilla, that game was remarkable to me because it was a first after watching cfb for so many years: never have I seen a team overcome a 31 pt. deficit without playing better than they did while digging their hole. TCU looked shit in the second half - Oregon was just actually THAT FUCKING BAD. It was like a whole team of Vinnie Testaverdes in the '86 Fiesta ... just one giant shit show.
You actually do make a good point about being able to get reasonable games with Freeman. The problem was that Oregon wasn't able to get chunk yardage in the 2nd half with Freeman. So what ended up happening was that either they needed eventually to go elsewhere to give Freeman a blow or they fucked up the snap from center. As a result, at some point, Oregon got behind the chains and their drives stalled.
My original point wasn't that Freeman wasn't having a reasonable 2nd half, it was disputing the notion that Oregon went away from getting him the ball.
Where I would disagree with you was that TCU was significantly better offensively in the 2nd half. They were moving the ball in the 1st half but kept shooting themselves in the foot with really bad penalties and stalling the drives. Even when they were doing things right with the blocked punt it went straight into Oregon's hands for a 1st down.
TCU is not the 2nd coming of the mid-80s Miami teams ... but it was a great win and a testament to the program of continuing to play when it would have been easy to pack it in down 31-0 at half with all the hurdles that they were facing on and off the scoreboard.
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They lost because their defense is awful and they lost the winning mentality they had under Chip.
If Montana boy is good, Oregon will be good. If he's not Chip Kelly will be back in '17, if Haden doesnnt snatch him up 1st, when H e lton gets murdered by Alabama and goes 5-7.
Ducks: This is your man in 2016.
The worst run was 1 yard a couple of times, one of those was a 1 yd. TD which doesn't matter. The rest showed a worst result of 4 fucking yards, 3 yards once I guess, eith of which is something I'll take every day.
Every other play that didn't go to Freeman, EVERY SINGLE OTHER PLAY, something bad happened. The fucked up snaps were all from the shot gun.
Can you review this and re-make your point please?
Let me explain something to you and to Krisvashon and Oregondawg: Oregon's offense is not a gimmick and it's not finesse and it's not complicated. IT IS PREDICATED OFF OF THE RUN. When Oregon can run, and they often can, they almost always win unless their play caller inexplicably wants to do something else.
Their passing game is not sophisticated nor complicated nor does it require Dan Marino to run it. It is predicated off of the run.
If Brenner can't snap the fucking ball in the gun, AND HE CAN'T, don't make him do it while nursing a 31 point fucking lead. Brenner did that every time he had to play - but Vaj was able to handle it because he can buy more time in the pocket than Lockie. Line Lockie the fuck up under center, hand the ball off UNTIL THEY STACK THE BOX AND TAKE IT AWAY, and then you'll have open receivers that even Lockie can hit.
You talk about TCU like they are the second coming of my Canes from 1980s. They are not. TCU is not capable of stacking the box against Oregon to stop the run and shutting down Carrington and company all at the same time. At least not often enough to eat up a 31 point deficit. No way. I'm almost sure I could have coached Oregon to a win that night.
I don't really give a fuck, but I will say this without qualification: If Helfrich feeds Freeman, spelling him once in a while with another RB, and minimizes Lockie's role and makes it a little easier for the kid, TCU never gets back in that game.
That game was remarkable to me for one very simple reason: I've never seen a team blow a 31 pt. lead without the other team really cranking up their level of play. Make no mistake Senor Frog, TCU was ass crack average in the second half too. Oregon just sucked THAT bad in the second half and laid down like a French whore during the Nazi occupation.
Offense kept going out and the defense was on the field too long. Everyone knows Oregon's D can't be on the field too long. Even Buckner, who is a beast, wore down.
Read Tequilla's book post on how stupid it is to argue for feeding Freeman. Look at the word "Freeman" in his poast and then look to the right of that name each time it is referenced and tell me the number you see.
And remember, too, that this was a 31 pt. lead. The doesn't go "either way" if I'm coaching them. It goes Oregon's way.
TCU is not that good, they were undermanned and outclassed ... that's how the first half happened.
With a 31 pt. lead and the other team playing with their backkup, you don't even need a winning mentality. You need only be remotely competent in your play calling given the situation.
Again, make it simple for Lockie. Line him up under center, where Brenner can't fuck it up so much, hand the ball to Freeman, spell him here and there when he taps out, and wait for TCU to load the box. Then you'll have some simple first down-type passes to hit that will keep them honest.
As I said to Tequilla, that game was remarkable to me because it was a first after watching cfb for so many years: never have I seen a team overcome a 31 pt. deficit without playing better than they did while digging their hole. TCU looked shit in the second half - Oregon was just actually THAT FUCKING BAD. It was like a whole team of Vinnie Testaverdes in the '86 Fiesta ... just one giant shit show.
My original point wasn't that Freeman wasn't having a reasonable 2nd half, it was disputing the notion that Oregon went away from getting him the ball.
Where I would disagree with you was that TCU was significantly better offensively in the 2nd half. They were moving the ball in the 1st half but kept shooting themselves in the foot with really bad penalties and stalling the drives. Even when they were doing things right with the blocked punt it went straight into Oregon's hands for a 1st down.
TCU is not the 2nd coming of the mid-80s Miami teams ... but it was a great win and a testament to the program of continuing to play when it would have been easy to pack it in down 31-0 at half with all the hurdles that they were facing on and off the scoreboard.