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Mathis should be a 270+ pound DE in a 3-4. He's slow enough as a DE. Maybe he ran a decent 40, but he has very little quickness. He would be a disaster at Buck.
Dennis convinced me that he might be decent, but I always thought he kind of sucked. He was too small to play DT and too slow to play DE. No redshirt year either and now he will either wash out or just start to get good late in his senior year. -
I don't agree that he always sucked and I massively disagree that he's not quick. His problem is bulk. I don't even think he's a tweener.RoadDawg55 said:Mathis should be a 270+ pound DE in a 3-4. He's slow enough as a DE. Maybe he ran a decent 40, but he has very little quickness. He would be a disaster at Buck.
Dennis convinced me that he might be decent, but I always thought he kind of sucked. He was too small to play DT and too slow to play DE. No redshirt year either and now he will either wash out or just start to get good late in his senior year.
He's a guy who has a big frame who easily could be a 270 DE. He has natural power and explosion.
But it's hard to overpower dudes when you are 245 and don't give a shit about playing DE.
I have heard that basically he just wants to rely on talent and not work. It's sad.
But whatever.
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Exactly, he's a tweener with his size. I saw him lifting at the IMA at some point last year, and the dude is an absolute fucking monster... pushing more weight than anyone I've ever seen. He was clearly trying to add size, but as we can see there's not been much improvement. So either his frame just isn't built to get bigger than he already is, or just can't break a plateau of weight without getting fat and getting even slower.RoadDawg55 said:Mathis should be a 270+ pound DE in a 3-4. He's slow enough as a DE. Maybe he ran a decent 40, but he has very little quickness. He would be a disaster at Buck.
Dennis convinced me that he might be decent, but I always thought he kind of sucked. He was too small to play DT and too slow to play DE. No redshirt year either and now he will either wash out or just start to get good late in his senior year. -
Mathis transferring now makes no sense unless his plan is to leave for a small school where he can possibly tear it up against inferior competition. He's pretty much locked into a starting spot here as a senior for next season. I can't see a bunch of P5 schools really wanting him based on his performance thus far and he'd have to sit out a year to play one more.
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"refuses to bulk up".Dennis_DeYoung said:
Sadly, yes.GrundleStiltzkin said:You hear something on Mathis?
I guess he finally has answered the question and he does in fact, go to the shower first. -
I don't know Joe myself, so I have no idea if this is true...
But what I was told is that they wanted him to get up to 270-280 and he just flat out didn't do it. He felt like he could just be a weight room monster and do his job that way. He didn't want to lose his speed, etc.
He has always believed (according to this source, but he said as much when he was being recruited) that he was a 3-4 OLB and wants to play in space. The feeling is that many 'in his camp' have convinced him that is true and that we didn't give him a fair shot at BUCK.
Apparently he believes that if he transfers he will be given a role that will use what he and his 'camp' think of as his talents: making plays in space, rushing the passer, etc.
I'm not positive this is the case, it's just what I'm hearing, no twisting, etc.
Also, the coaching staff felt he had the frame to carry 290 before he left.
One last thing: seeing a guy lift weights doesn't mean shit. Lifting weights doesn't mean shit if you don't eat and roid. -
No program in America had more success over the last two years converting virgin players to BUCK.
Someone needs to look out for Joe's best interest and tell him frankly: if you couldn't BUCK at UW you ain't bucking anywhere. -
It's really his loss. I agree with all of this, but if he's too out of it to see it, not our fault.FremontTroll said:No program in America had more success over the last two years converting virgin players to BUCK.
Someone needs to look out for Joe's best interest and tell him frankly: if you couldn't BUCK at UW you ain't bucking anywhere. -
Why is it a foregone conclusion that he already "failed" at being BUCK? I think it's a little more likely that for the last 2 years, we've had sackmaster Kikaha and then Feeney (arguably the best player on our defense last year) controlling the BUCK slot, and in order to maximize the talent on the field they put Mathis at DE instead of making him a backup. If Mathis played BUCK then Feeney gets pushed to Littleton's spot and then we're stuck with someone like Jaylen Johsnson starting over Littleton. So it's not because he sucks at it, but because other players on the roster were better fits there.
Now I'll eat my words on this if that going into next year, Benning Potato or an unlikely recruit (Juarez/Kongboner) beat him out for the BUCK. But I think its his position to lose at this point. -
That would make sense...... Buuuuuuuut, he doesn't even play the position, the backup is Psalm, Littleton rolls there sometimes and then O'Brien is next. They don't play him at BUCK at all.NEsnake12 said:Why is it a foregone conclusion that he already "failed" at being BUCK? I think it's a little more likely that for the last 2 years, we've had sackmaster Kikaha and then Feeney (arguably the best player on our defense last year) controlling the BUCK slot, and in order to maximize the talent on the field they put Mathis at DE instead of making him a backup. If Mathis played BUCK then Feeney gets pushed to Littleton's spot and then we're stuck with someone like Jaylen Johsnson starting over Littleton. So it's not because he sucks at it, but because other players on the roster were better fits there.
Now I'll eat my words on this if that going into next year, Benning Potato or an unlikely recruit (Juarez/Kongboner) beat him out for the BUCK. But I think its his position to lose at this point.
