Pac-12 All-Century team
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Ossai? Glaring omission.
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I'm a young fucktard. The two best running backs in my lifetime are Bush and Dillon.
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BJ never brought home a loss, either. He did bring home a crystal football, so ask Marcus about that.AZDuck said:How many Heismans did Billy Joe Camaro haul back to Seattle?
That's what I thought.
Also too, the list kinda sucks. From an Oregon perspective, no Norm Van Brocklin or Bobby Moore seems dumb.
We should also get some credit for John McKay, since he went to school and learned how to coach in Eugene. We just couldn't afford the athletes back then.
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Century: 1970-1999?
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Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
Century: 1970-2015?
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No space included for substance abuser of the century?
Close race between Sark, todd marinovich, or ryan leaf!!! -
I think the better explanation would be that a lemon party came up with this half dreck of a list in the afterglow.RaceBannon said:Almost all those guys are last century. Sad to see how far the Pac 12 has fallen
There are 20 guys who had better Pac 12 careers than Elway. -
Your cut n paste game is nothin to sleep on.AZDuck said:The complete list follows. Mariota and Emptermann are on it:
Quarterbacks
John Elway, Stanford
Marcus Mariota, Oregon
Jim Plunkett, Stanford
Andrew Luck, Stanford
Matt Leinart, USC
Running Backs
Marcus Allen, USC
OJ Simpson, USC
Charles White, USC
Reggie Bush, USC
Mike Garrett, USC
Wide Receivers
Keyshawn Johnson, USC
Lynn Swann, USC
Marqise Lee, USC
JJ Stokes, UCLA
Ken Margerum, Stanford
Tight Ends
Tony Gonzalez, California
Charles Young, USC
Offensive Line
Jonathan Ogden, UCLA
Ron Yary, USC
Tony Boselli,USC
Anthony Munoz, USC
Lincoln Kennedy, Washington
Brad Budde, USC
Randall McDaniel, Arizona State
Defensive Ends
Tedy Bruschi, Arizona
Terrell Suggs, Arizona State
Willie McGinest, USC
Andre Carter, California
Jim Jeffcoat, Arizona State
Defensive Tackles
Steve Emtman, Washington
Haloti Ngata, Oregon
Rob Waldrop, Arizona
Leonard Williams, USC
Ed White, California
Linebackers
Junior Seau, USC
Jerry Robinson, UCLA
Ricky Hunley, Arizona
Richard Wood, USC
Chris Claiborne, USC
Cornerbacks
Joey Browner, USC
Mel Renfro, Oregon
Chris McAlister, Arizona
Antoine Cason, Arizona
Safeties
Ronnie Lott, USC
Kenny Easley, UCLA
Troy Polamalu, USC
Mark Carrier, USC
Kicker
Jason Hanson, Washington State
Punter
Tom Hackett, Utah
Returner
Reggie Bush, USC
Coach
John McKay, USC
But still more than ever it's half FS. -
Kicker U heard fromsalemcoog said:
Your cut n paste game is nothin to sleep on.AZDuck said:The complete list follows. Mariota and Emptermann are on it:
Quarterbacks
John Elway, Stanford
Marcus Mariota, Oregon
Jim Plunkett, Stanford
Andrew Luck, Stanford
Matt Leinart, USC
Running Backs
Marcus Allen, USC
OJ Simpson, USC
Charles White, USC
Reggie Bush, USC
Mike Garrett, USC
Wide Receivers
Keyshawn Johnson, USC
Lynn Swann, USC
Marqise Lee, USC
JJ Stokes, UCLA
Ken Margerum, Stanford
Tight Ends
Tony Gonzalez, California
Charles Young, USC
Offensive Line
Jonathan Ogden, UCLA
Ron Yary, USC
Tony Boselli,USC
Anthony Munoz, USC
Lincoln Kennedy, Washington
Brad Budde, USC
Randall McDaniel, Arizona State
Defensive Ends
Tedy Bruschi, Arizona
Terrell Suggs, Arizona State
Willie McGinest, USC
Andre Carter, California
Jim Jeffcoat, Arizona State
Defensive Tackles
Steve Emtman, Washington
Haloti Ngata, Oregon
Rob Waldrop, Arizona
Leonard Williams, USC
Ed White, California
Linebackers
Junior Seau, USC
Jerry Robinson, UCLA
Ricky Hunley, Arizona
Richard Wood, USC
Chris Claiborne, USC
Cornerbacks
Joey Browner, USC
Mel Renfro, Oregon
Chris McAlister, Arizona
Antoine Cason, Arizona
Safeties
Ronnie Lott, USC
Kenny Easley, UCLA
Troy Polamalu, USC
Mark Carrier, USC
Kicker
Jason Hanson, Washington State
Punter
Tom Hackett, Utah
Returner
Reggie Bush, USC
Coach
John McKay, USC
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Milloy should have had a sniff at safety. He was an all-American and his pro career legitimized him as the real deal
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When I watch the replays, Milloy stands out! A RB will break for an 8 yard run and Milloy destroys him. He was incredible.Doogles said:Milloy should have had a sniff at safety. He was an all-American and his pro career legitimized him as the real deal
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Loved the neck roll plus cut off jersey combo. Must have made QBs and RBs shit their pants. The goaline tackle for loss in the whammy in Miami is one of the baddest individual efforts in a big time moment.RoadDawg55 said:
When I watch the replays, Milloy stands out! A RB will break for an 8 yard run and Milloy destroys him. He was incredible.Doogles said:Milloy should have had a sniff at safety. He was an all-American and his pro career legitimized him as the real deal
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There are multiple members of the 1991 team that say Shane Pahukoa was a far better college safety than Milloy.Doogles said:Milloy should have had a sniff at safety. He was an all-American and his pro career legitimized him as the real deal
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I was only 4 in 91, but I watched "The Perfect Season" on video cassette tape about 8100 times in my life and agree he was one heck of a player. My dad talked about him, the Hoffman brothers, and Emtman like they were demi-gods.DerekJohnson said:
There are multiple members of the 1991 team that say Shane Pahukoa was a far better college safety than Milloy.Doogles said:Milloy should have had a sniff at safety. He was an all-American and his pro career legitimized him as the real deal
However, I'm sure there is bias involved in the 91 guys eyes(their guy vs. the young stud replacement) and I would take Milloy.
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I can see arguing he was on the same level, but far better? That's just teammates taking up for their guy, no way that has any credibility. Milloy was the shit.DerekJohnson said:
There are multiple members of the 1991 team that say Shane Pahukoa was a far better college safety than Milloy.Doogles said:Milloy should have had a sniff at safety. He was an all-American and his pro career legitimized him as the real deal
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A great college QB on a shit team w/o him.BearsWiin said:
The Play in 1982 kept him from getting into some minor bowl (Garden State?) his senior year, and his last opportunity. He whined about it afterwards. His own fault for calling time out with eight seconds left, instead of four. At the time, he did hold a lot of conference passing records, IIRC; a great college QB on a mediocre team.gabemarksknee said:Did Elway ever go to a bowl game? I think his NFL career is clouding his college career.
He was the team. He had role players like Darrin Nelson, but Marino had Mark Clayton, and nobody cares about that either.
Elway was awesome in college. I'd like to go there with you, but I was paying attention by then and remember. There was a reason he went #1 in a class with Jim Kelly, Dan Marino and a few others. -
Uh, I don't think so. Dude was a fucking force and an anchor on one of the best NFL D's ever.WeAreAFatLesboSchool said:Ngata? Ngata please.
Your duck hate is clouding your judgment. -
The only guy I take issue with is Bruschi. To me, THAT is a guy whose success in the pros, bolstered a lot by the pros he played with, is getting him on. He was a good college player, no doubt, but I think there have been others in the Pac who can more legitimately claim that other DE spot. Suggs w/o question gets one. I'd put Andre Carter up there over Bruschi as a real DE.
What a great fucking tandem of safeties though, huh? Easley and Lott. Those were the guys I pretended to be as a kid. Just fucking awesome. Easley was my person fav, and I've never been a Hawks fan. -
No shit. Seriously.dnc said:
I can see arguing he was on the same level, but far better? That's just teammates taking up for their guy, no way that has any credibility. Milloy was the shit.DerekJohnson said:
There are multiple members of the 1991 team that say Shane Pahukoa was a far better college safety than Milloy.Doogles said:Milloy should have had a sniff at safety. He was an all-American and his pro career legitimized him as the real deal
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Eh, I'm usually with you on most things, but not this one.dflea said:No I-never-lost-a-game-12-0-motherfucker BJ Hobert on a list that includes Mariota instead?
This conference makes my ass ache.
First, all men with two first names are hill billy fags from West Virginia. Period.
Second, it's not like those Washington teams needed him. We? They? You? go 12-0 with you and me rotating under center. True story. Remember, fucker wasn't even supposed to start that year.
Third, I don't remember a lot of heroic moments from BJ during '91. He was a good player with a lively arm, but he was as much a caretaker as a star.
Mariotta, while not exactly playing for shit teams either, was THE fucking show. In terms of brass balls, while Billy Joe was irreverent with his mouth, Mariotta did it on the field.
I'd take Mariotta over Hobert 7 days a week. -
Eh.EwaDawg said:
BJ never brought home a loss, either. He did bring home a crystal football, so ask Marcus about that.AZDuck said:How many Heismans did Billy Joe Camaro haul back to Seattle?
That's what I thought.
Also too, the list kinda sucks. From an Oregon perspective, no Norm Van Brocklin or Bobby Moore seems dumb.
We should also get some credit for John McKay, since he went to school and learned how to coach in Eugene. We just couldn't afford the athletes back then. -
WIth all the great linebackers to play in this confrence, your'e getting a little doog asking for Hoffman. Good linebacker who played behind an all-world D line. You can't mention him or Cliff in the same breath as Seau or about a 1/2 dozen other Trojan greats. Truth is, USC is the only school that can go toe to toe with the U as Linebacker U. Linebackers in the P 10 should all be Trojans. Much as it pains me to say that.doogsinparadise said:No Dillon, no Hoffman, no Bueno.
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Agreed, but who you gonna move? Easley or Lott? Hard argument to make. If Malloy plays in the Big 10, you might have an argument, but the P10 has those two dudes.Doogles said:Milloy should have had a sniff at safety. He was an all-American and his pro career legitimized him as the real deal
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Just to pick apart part of your point, they go 11-1 at best with Brunell who lost games in 90 and 92. Nebraska was all Billycreepycoug said:
Eh, I'm usually with you on most things, but not this one.dflea said:No I-never-lost-a-game-12-0-motherfucker BJ Hobert on a list that includes Mariota instead?
This conference makes my ass ache.
First, all men with two first names are hill billy fags from West Virginia. Period.
Second, it's not like those Washington teams needed him. We? They? You? go 12-0 with you and me rotating under center. True story. Remember, fucker wasn't even supposed to start that year.
Third, I don't remember a lot of heroic moments from BJ during '91. He was a good player with a lively arm, but he was as much a caretaker as a star.
Mariotta, while not exactly playing for shit teams either, was THE fucking show. In terms of brass balls, while Billy Joe was irreverent with his mouth, Mariotta did it on the field.
I'd take Mariotta over Hobert 7 days a week. -
I put him in the second tier with Polamalu. For sure a hard position group for Lawyer to crack.creepycoug said:
Agreed, but who you gonna move? Easley or Lott? Hard argument to make. If Malloy plays in the Big 10, you might have an argument, but the P10 has those two dudes.Doogles said:Milloy should have had a sniff at safety. He was an all-American and his pro career legitimized him as the real deal
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Indeed.RaceBannon said:
Just to pick apart part of your point, they go 11-1 at best with Brunell who lost games in 90 and 92. Nebraska was all Billycreepycoug said:
Eh, I'm usually with you on most things, but not this one.dflea said:No I-never-lost-a-game-12-0-motherfucker BJ Hobert on a list that includes Mariota instead?
This conference makes my ass ache.
First, all men with two first names are hill billy fags from West Virginia. Period.
Second, it's not like those Washington teams needed him. We? They? You? go 12-0 with you and me rotating under center. True story. Remember, fucker wasn't even supposed to start that year.
Third, I don't remember a lot of heroic moments from BJ during '91. He was a good player with a lively arm, but he was as much a caretaker as a star.
Mariotta, while not exactly playing for shit teams either, was THE fucking show. In terms of brass balls, while Billy Joe was irreverent with his mouth, Mariotta did it on the field.
I'd take Mariotta over Hobert 7 days a week.
If football is about something else besides winning, then I guess Mariota is the guy. All BJ did was win - every time.
That is a monumental task in college football with any other players around a QB. One bad game, and you wind up with Brunell and that fucked up UCLA game in 90 at Husky Stadium that led to me losing my fucking mind and breaking shit.
I hold on to that 12-0 season fondly, and will swing on the sack of any starter on that team because they were bad motherfuckers who didn't lose a game, and that's as cool as it gets.
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Nebraska couldn't get across Miami's 40 yd. line in the Orange Bowel and got ass-raped by Gino Toretta and Lamar Thomas.RaceBannon said:
Just to pick apart part of your point, they go 11-1 at best with Brunell who lost games in 90 and 92. Nebraska was all Billycreepycoug said:
Eh, I'm usually with you on most things, but not this one.dflea said:No I-never-lost-a-game-12-0-motherfucker BJ Hobert on a list that includes Mariota instead?
This conference makes my ass ache.
First, all men with two first names are hill billy fags from West Virginia. Period.
Second, it's not like those Washington teams needed him. We? They? You? go 12-0 with you and me rotating under center. True story. Remember, fucker wasn't even supposed to start that year.
Third, I don't remember a lot of heroic moments from BJ during '91. He was a good player with a lively arm, but he was as much a caretaker as a star.
Mariotta, while not exactly playing for shit teams either, was THE fucking show. In terms of brass balls, while Billy Joe was irreverent with his mouth, Mariotta did it on the field.
I'd take Mariotta over Hobert 7 days a week.
In other words, Nebraska, Eh. BFD.
Exactly.
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PM to Nebraska:creepycoug said:RaceBannon said:
Just to pick apart part of your point, they go 11-1 at best with Brunell who lost games in 90 and 92. Nebraska was all Billycreepycoug said:
Eh, I'm usually with you on most things, but not this one.dflea said:No I-never-lost-a-game-12-0-motherfucker BJ Hobert on a list that includes Mariota instead?
This conference makes my ass ache.
First, all men with two first names are hill billy fags from West Virginia. Period.
Second, it's not like those Washington teams needed him. We? They? You? go 12-0 with you and me rotating under center. True story. Remember, fucker wasn't even supposed to start that year.
Third, I don't remember a lot of heroic moments from BJ during '91. He was a good player with a lively arm, but he was as much a caretaker as a star.
Mariotta, while not exactly playing for shit teams either, was THE fucking show. In terms of brass balls, while Billy Joe was irreverent with his mouth, Mariotta did it on the field.
I'd take Mariotta over Hobert 7 days a week.
Nebraska couldn't get across Miami's 40 yd. line in the Orange Bowel and got ass-raped by Gino Toretta and Lamar Thomas.
In other words, Nebraska, Eh. BFD.
Exactly.
You don't come into the OB playing that stuff....You can't come over to our place talking noise like that. You'll get your butt beat. I was about to go down the elevator to get in that thing.....I say, why don't we meet outside in the tunnel after the ball game and get it on some more? You don't come into the OB, baby. We've had a down couple of years but you don't come in here talking smack. Not in our house. -
But did the Nebraska fans give torreta a standing ovation like billy joe? Didnt think so. Nuff said on that.creepycoug said:
Nebraska couldn't get across Miami's 40 yd. line in the Orange Bowel and got ass-raped by Gino Toretta and Lamar Thomas.RaceBannon said:
Just to pick apart part of your point, they go 11-1 at best with Brunell who lost games in 90 and 92. Nebraska was all Billycreepycoug said:
Eh, I'm usually with you on most things, but not this one.dflea said:No I-never-lost-a-game-12-0-motherfucker BJ Hobert on a list that includes Mariota instead?
This conference makes my ass ache.
First, all men with two first names are hill billy fags from West Virginia. Period.
Second, it's not like those Washington teams needed him. We? They? You? go 12-0 with you and me rotating under center. True story. Remember, fucker wasn't even supposed to start that year.
Third, I don't remember a lot of heroic moments from BJ during '91. He was a good player with a lively arm, but he was as much a caretaker as a star.
Mariotta, while not exactly playing for shit teams either, was THE fucking show. In terms of brass balls, while Billy Joe was irreverent with his mouth, Mariotta did it on the field.
I'd take Mariotta over Hobert 7 days a week.
In other words, Nebraska, Eh. BFD.
Exactly. -
True true.AtomicDawg said:
But did the Nebraska fans give torreta a standing ovation like billy joe? Didnt think so. Nuff said on that.creepycoug said:
Nebraska couldn't get across Miami's 40 yd. line in the Orange Bowel and got ass-raped by Gino Toretta and Lamar Thomas.RaceBannon said:
Just to pick apart part of your point, they go 11-1 at best with Brunell who lost games in 90 and 92. Nebraska was all Billycreepycoug said:
Eh, I'm usually with you on most things, but not this one.dflea said:No I-never-lost-a-game-12-0-motherfucker BJ Hobert on a list that includes Mariota instead?
This conference makes my ass ache.
First, all men with two first names are hill billy fags from West Virginia. Period.
Second, it's not like those Washington teams needed him. We? They? You? go 12-0 with you and me rotating under center. True story. Remember, fucker wasn't even supposed to start that year.
Third, I don't remember a lot of heroic moments from BJ during '91. He was a good player with a lively arm, but he was as much a caretaker as a star.
Mariotta, while not exactly playing for shit teams either, was THE fucking show. In terms of brass balls, while Billy Joe was irreverent with his mouth, Mariotta did it on the field.
I'd take Mariotta over Hobert 7 days a week.
In other words, Nebraska, Eh. BFD.
Exactly.
