Gary Player on Chambers Bay: 'One of the worst golf courses I've ever seen'
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Chambers is T-Town personified. Gritty, tuff, brown, and separates the men from the boys. I'm not surprised a bunch of golf pussies couldn't handle it.
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I said no racist crap.PurpleJ said:Chambers is T-Town personified. Gritty, tuff, brown, and separates the men from the boys. I'm not surprised a bunch of golf pussies couldn't handle it.
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It's not even in Tacoma, but still.PurpleJ said:Chambers is T-Town personified. Gritty, tuff, brown, and separates the men from the boys. I'm not surprised a bunch of golf pussies couldn't handle it.
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It was less than two decades ago. UP, Lakewood, Fircrest are pretty much still TacomaRoadDawg55 said:
It's not even in Tacoma, but still.PurpleJ said:Chambers is T-Town personified. Gritty, tuff, brown, and separates the men from the boys. I'm not surprised a bunch of golf pussies couldn't handle it.
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Tacoma superiority guy...PostGameOrangeSlices said:
It was less than two decades ago. UP, Lakewood, Fircrest are pretty much still TacomaRoadDawg55 said:
It's not even in Tacoma, but still.PurpleJ said:Chambers is T-Town personified. Gritty, tuff, brown, and separates the men from the boys. I'm not surprised a bunch of golf pussies couldn't handle it.
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I would say the same thing about any course that the USGA picked. It's the national championship ... it's supposed to be hard and not your garden variety tournament where the winning score is -15.
The greens are what you make of them. They aren't perfect. But rarely are greens perfect on the West Coast. I can go to any course in the area, hit a putt from 5 feet, and if I don't hit it perfectly I'm at the mercy of the grass as to whether it goes in. Firm, confident strokes on the green will go in regardless of the greens.
Dustin Johnson didn't miss either of his last 2 putts because of the greens. There was a player that I saw put something on twitter either last night or this morning that said that he didn't miss a single putt inside 5 feet all week.
Was this course tricked up to the point that it was unfair? Not at all. -5 is a solid winning score. At no point did the course get away from the USGA. That's really the biggest concern.
If you go into the history of the US Open in the last 10-15 years, there's what happened at Shinnecock Hills where they lost at least one of the greens. There have been times in the past that the 18th hole at The Olympic Club where the hole was unplayable with where they put the flag.
The whole point of the setup with the US Open is to reward players for well thought out and executed shots and to punish them for their mistakes. Chambers identified that.
And forget any bias that anybody in the Northwest could have about the course, the fact of the matter is that the results speak for themselves. The US Amateur produced #1 and #2 ranked amateurs in the world in 2010. The #2 player in the world won this year. The Top 10 of the leader board looked like a who's who of golf and was representative of the top players in the world. Even one of our top complainers, BillyHo, finished in the 20s for the tournament ... and he's ranked 20th in the world. You could argue that he was properly identified.
The greens can be improved upon. I suggest that they will be improved on between now and the next USGA event at Chambers (which if I had to guess would be either a US Women's or US Senior's Open) sometime in the 2019-2021 time period. The US Open will most likely be back in about 10-12 years. They will be updated between now and the next event, and then used as a testing ground for the next US Open. You'd also be an idiot to not think that some of the setup this week (including areas where they softened the course compared to normal championships) was not in direct response to the greens and the way the course was playing. I was shocked that 18 was a par 5 ... but it was the correct, and right call. -
The winning score was 275, but still.
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Tequilla said:
I would say the same thing about any course that the USGA picked. It's the national championship ... it's supposed to be hard and not your garden variety tournament where the winning score is -15.
The greens are what you make of them. They aren't perfect. But rarely are greens perfect on the West Coast. I can go to any course in the area, hit a putt from 5 feet, and if I don't hit it perfectly I'm at the mercy of the grass as to whether it goes in. Firm, confident strokes on the green will go in regardless of the greens.
Dustin Johnson didn't miss either of his last 2 putts because of the greens. There was a player that I saw put something on twitter either last night or this morning that said that he didn't miss a single putt inside 5 feet all week.
Was this course tricked up to the point that it was unfair? Not at all. -5 is a solid winning score. At no point did the course get away from the USGA. That's really the biggest concern.
If you go into the history of the US Open in the last 10-15 years, there's what happened at Shinnecock Hills where they lost at least one of the greens. There have been times in the past that the 18th hole at The Olympic Club where the hole was unplayable with where they put the flag.
The whole point of the setup with the US Open is to reward players for well thought out and executed shots and to punish them for their mistakes. Chambers identified that.
And forget any bias that anybody in the Northwest could have about the course, the fact of the matter is that the results speak for themselves. The US Amateur produced #1 and #2 ranked amateurs in the world in 2010. The #2 player in the world won this year. The Top 10 of the leader board looked like a who's who of golf and was representative of the top players in the world. Even one of our top complainers, BillyHo, finished in the 20s for the tournament ... and he's ranked 20th in the world. You could argue that he was properly identified.
The greens can be improved upon. I suggest that they will be improved on between now and the next USGA event at Chambers (which if I had to guess would be either a US Women's or US Senior's Open) sometime in the 2019-2021 time period. The US Open will most likely be back in about 10-12 years. They will be updated between now and the next event, and then used as a testing ground for the next US Open. You'd also be an idiot to not think that some of the setup this week (including areas where they softened the course compared to normal championships) was not in direct response to the greens and the way the course was playing. I was shocked that 18 was a par 5 ... but it was the correct, and right call.
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I don't care if scores are low or high it's all relative. If you make it in 4 strokes it doesn't fucking matter if it is a par 4 or par 5.
The course looked like absolute shit like they aren't able to afford water for sprinklers. -
'nuff saidCuntWaffle said:I don't care if scores are low or high it's all relative. If you make it in 4 strokes it doesn't fucking matter if it is a par 4 or par 5.
The course looked like absolute shit like they aren't able to afford water for sprinklers.
case closed
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