Question for roaddog and the others who think we'll be absolutely terrible in 2015
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I don't think we'll win just 4 games ... there's enough talent there IMO to at least get to a bowl.
But one thing I'm interested in seeing is how much advancement we see from the QB position this year. It's really hard for me to judge someone too critically without a QB and even going into 2016, if Browning starts at that point while you'd hope/expect that to be a sign of significant improvement, expecting him to be the savior from Day 1 is probably expecting too much. -
I'm certainly not an apologist and I think expectations should remain high but I do think that judging the program under Petersen by the first and second year would be a too little data to work with as far as judging him as a good coach or a bad coach. As far year 1 under Petersen..... I don't think Pete Carroll would have won more games than CP (maybe the Arizona game).
The talent last year, other than the defensive front 7 and one member of the secondary who got booted half way through the season, was below average. Most importantly at the quarter back position. Yeah JS didn't tailor the offense to Miles but let's be honest.... we had a bottom third offensive line, bottom third pair of running backs and a bottom third (if not worst) QB in the conference. A conference with a bunch of offenses that are going to put up points week in and week out. I think 8-6 is a perfectly acceptable record given that set of circumstances that CP walked into.
Going forward, the offense will probably still be one of the lower 3rd in the conference this season and the defense probably won't be as good last year. We could easily have the same, if not worse record at the end of this season. And I don't give a shit.
It's pretty clear that the days of Slick Rick and Jerramy Stevens are gone and that winning at UW is going to look way more like it does at Stanford than it does at USC or Oregon. And CP is that coach to move us in that direction.
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He'll never be on the hot seat. He'll probably feel a tiny bit of pressure going into next season but it will fade. He'd have to have UW middling in mediocrity in year 4.
Suck it up. We aren't going to be good this year and next season probably won't be special either unless QB play takes a huge leap upwards.
Petersen is a proven championship coach and is currently recruiting at a top 20 level at a school that has occasionally competed for national championships. He took the job because he felt UW could get back to the way it played in the early 90s. And he will probably retire here. After 10+ years of total bullshit, embarrassment, disappointment, making every wrong and worst decision possible, some of us are so scarred that we can't see how good we have it now. -
W, JWHeretoBeatmyChest said:He'll never be on the hot seat. He'll probably feel a tiny bit of pressure going into next season but it will fade. He'd have to have UW middling in mediocrity in year 4.
Suck it up. We aren't going to be good this year and next season probably won't be special either unless QB play takes a huge leap upwards.
Petersen is a proven championship coach and is currently recruiting at a top 20 level at a school that has occasionally competed for national championships. He took the job because he felt UW could get back to the way it played in the early 90s. And he will probably retire here. After 10+ years of total bullshit, embarrassment, disappointment, making every wrong and worst decision possible, some of us are so scarred that we can't see how good we have it now. -
HeretoBeatmyChest said:
He'll never be on the hot seat. He'll probably feel a tiny bit of pressure going into next season but it will fade. He'd have to have UW middling in mediocrity in year 4.
Suck it up. We aren't going to be good this year and next season probably won't be special either unless QB play takes a huge leap upwards.
Petersen is a proven championship coach and is currently recruiting at a top 20 level at a school that has occasionally competed for national championships. He took the job because he felt UW could get back to the way it played in the early 90s. And he will probably retire here. After 10+ years of total bullshit, embarrassment, disappointment, making every wrong and worst decision possible, some of us are so scarred that we can't see how good we have it now.
A four win season this year would put him firmly in the hot seat. The bar he'd have to clear in year three may be as low as getting them into a bowl game, but he was hired to return the Huskies to championships, not mediocrity.
I think TTL is right. Peterson's road map will look a lot more like Stanford's than USC's, which is really saying he's following a road map akin to the one Don James used. You can see this in Peterson's recruiting patterns and emphasis on S&C.
IMO though, last year was justifiably worrisome. The Stanford game jumps out as a big one that was winnable but lost on coaching errors. The offense in general was incredibly bad last year, much worse than the talent IMO. The bowl game was a red flag too. The team didn't show up until the second half, something I'd hang on the coaches as well as the players. On the other hand, recruiting is the best it's been since Don James, at least in terms of emphasis. The foundation for a very good team is being built. As always, it's going to come down to how well the pieces are put together and coached up. -
I think we will win more than 4. There are no objective reasons to think this is a good team though.
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I agree with some of your points, but 8-6 with that schedule was really bad.ToddTurnerLIVES said:I'm certainly not an apologist and I think expectations should remain high but I do think that judging the program under Petersen by the first and second year would be a too little data to work with as far as judging him as a good coach or a bad coach. As far year 1 under Petersen..... I don't think Pete Carroll would have won more games than CP (maybe the Arizona game).
The talent last year, other than the defensive front 7 and one member of the secondary who got booted half way through the season, was below average. Most importantly at the quarter back position. Yeah JS didn't tailor the offense to Miles but let's be honest.... we had a bottom third offensive line, bottom third pair of running backs and a bottom third (if not worst) QB in the conference. A conference with a bunch of offenses that are going to put up points week in and week out. I think 8-6 is a perfectly acceptable record given that set of circumstances that CP walked into.
Going forward, the offense will probably still be one of the lower 3rd in the conference this season and the defense probably won't be as good last year. We could easily have the same, if not worse record at the end of this season. And I don't give a shit.
It's pretty clear that the days of Slick Rick and Jerramy Stevens are gone and that winning at UW is going to look way more like it does at Stanford than it does at USC or Oregon. And CP is that coach to move us in that direction. -
6-6 would be decent this season with 7-5 being very strong. I feel like a pussy for writing that ... but its reality at this point. 6-6 or 7-5 will require Jonathon Smith to seriously upgrade his QB coaching and play calling. We all can see that party boy was a fraud with QB development.... and that has left us in peril of a losing record. With that being said Pete and his staff are responsible for figuring it out.
Anything less than 6-6 for me would be very discouraging for me... Pete can see there are serious problems with the offense especially the QB situation.... and his OC sucks. If Pete doesn't have a quick hook for Smith and be ready to take over play calling duties and whatever else needs to be done to finish as strong as possible and build as bright a future as possible I may start to have serious doubts.
He has to find a way to get to 6-6 or I think a hot seat is warranted regardless of how shitty certain parts of the roster may be... if he can't figure out a way maybe he isn't the guy. 5 wins or less deserves the coils on his seat to be turned up to at least 6.
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Please to be agreeing with youRoadDawg55 said:
I agree with some of your points, but 8-6 with that schedule was really bad.ToddTurnerLIVES said:I'm certainly not an apologist and I think expectations should remain high but I do think that judging the program under Petersen by the first and second year would be a too little data to work with as far as judging him as a good coach or a bad coach. As far year 1 under Petersen..... I don't think Pete Carroll would have won more games than CP (maybe the Arizona game).
The talent last year, other than the defensive front 7 and one member of the secondary who got booted half way through the season, was below average. Most importantly at the quarter back position. Yeah JS didn't tailor the offense to Miles but let's be honest.... we had a bottom third offensive line, bottom third pair of running backs and a bottom third (if not worst) QB in the conference. A conference with a bunch of offenses that are going to put up points week in and week out. I think 8-6 is a perfectly acceptable record given that set of circumstances that CP walked into.
Going forward, the offense will probably still be one of the lower 3rd in the conference this season and the defense probably won't be as good last year. We could easily have the same, if not worse record at the end of this season. And I don't give a shit.
It's pretty clear that the days of Slick Rick and Jerramy Stevens are gone and that winning at UW is going to look way more like it does at Stanford than it does at USC or Oregon. And CP is that coach to move us in that direction. -
What if Peterman is about as good as Dan Hawkins?
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What if Peterman is about as good as Don James?AZDuck said:What if Peterman is about as good as Dan Hawkins?
What about that?
What about that? -
All these opinions and nobody thought to ask Kim? Puzzling.
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You mean the Dan Hawkins that's representing USA Football in international play?AZDuck said:What if Peterman is about as good as Dan Hawkins?
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USA International Football : UW Football :: ? : ?GrundleStiltzkin said:
You mean the Dan Hawkins that's representing USA Football in international play?AZDuck said:What if Peterman is about as good as Dan Hawkins?
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If we only win 4 games next year Peterman should be lit on fire at the 50.
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4 wins next season = DOOR.ASS.OUT.
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Utah State, Sac State, OSU, and WSU. Four games that we should win right there. After that Cal, Utah, Arizona all at home. Win at least 2 of those. 6 wins. @BallSacked likes Cal and I know they have Goff, but they have no defense and a terrible coach. Boise State or another unlikely upset on the road is 7.
@Gladstone, I'm not sure why you feel I'm the poster boy for thinking we will suck. I just thought, "It's year two and all great coaches take off in year 2" was simplistic and unlikely. We will suck. Just like we sucked last year and under Sark. In my mind, finishing in the middle of the Pac 12 and playing in a dreckfest bowl = your team sucks. -
Round and the circle of life goes
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Why does that number seem so familiar?RoadDawg55 said:Utah State, Sac State, OSU, and WSU. Four games that we should win right there. After that Cal, Utah, Arizona all at home. Win at least 2 of those. 6 wins. @BallSacked likes Cal and I know they have Goff, but they have no defense and a terrible coach. Boise State or another unlikely upset on the road is 7.
@Gladstone, I'm not sure why you feel I'm the poster boy for thinking we will suck. I just thought, "It's year two and all great coaches take off in year 2" was simplistic and unlikely. We will suck. Just like we sucked last year and under Sark. In my mind, finishing in the middle of the Pac 12 and playing in a dreckfest bowl = your team sucks.
I am curious how Petersen is getting a pass for having a mirrior image Sark season, with another next year being predicted? Yet Sark got obliterated by everyone me included. -
A 9 or 10 win 2016 season with a RS Frosh QB and the way CCP has recruited the lines would most likely look like CCP getting the program on the right track in year 3 heading into year 4.Gladstone said:What has to happen for Petersen to get on the hot seat? Winning 4 fucking games and being the worst offense in the conference again would turn me extremely, extremely skeptical. At that point, we would need 11+ wins in 2016 or I'd probably advocate firing him.
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That's kind of my point as well. Now that Peterman is in the big league, there wasn't anything I can point to from Year 1 and say "okay, I see improvement here" or what have you. The offense regressed, and the defense was porous despite having all those NFL draft picks. I get that there was a big adjustment and a Sark hangover, I was just surprised at how "meh" last year's Huskies were.
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Is there any way that Petersen had a single roster top to bottom with more talent in his tenure at BSU than he has on this current roster at UW?
Even Sark squeezed 7 wins out of a decent roster of mainly Ty recruits his second season - if Peterman can't match what fucking sark did in year two then I think 2016 will be a make or break season for him.
I've said before that I don't really care about 2015's W-L but I guess that's a bit of a lie - if he cant get past 6 wins and a bowl appearance I'll be skeptical of him being The Guy. -
Huh? In his first season, Sarkisian went 5-7 with Jake Locker at QB while Petersen went 8-6 with Miles (12 starts), Lindquist (1 start), and Williams (1 start).
Plus Sarkisian's 2009 class sucked because he was getting FREE PUB! at USC...that was very troubling while Petersen and Co. were grown-ups and secured a pretty good class to set themselves up for more success going forward rather than putting a big whole in the roster.greenblood said:
Why does that number seem so familiar?RoadDawg55 said:Utah State, Sac State, OSU, and WSU. Four games that we should win right there. After that Cal, Utah, Arizona all at home. Win at least 2 of those. 6 wins. @BallSacked likes Cal and I know they have Goff, but they have no defense and a terrible coach. Boise State or another unlikely upset on the road is 7.
@Gladstone, I'm not sure why you feel I'm the poster boy for thinking we will suck. I just thought, "It's year two and all great coaches take off in year 2" was simplistic and unlikely. We will suck. Just like we sucked last year and under Sark. In my mind, finishing in the middle of the Pac 12 and playing in a dreckfest bowl = your team sucks.
I am curious how Petersen is getting a pass for having a mirrior image Sark season, with another next year being predicted? Yet Sark got obliterated by everyone me included. -
I'm completely in LIPO mode with Petersen. I'm not convinced he's as great as many here. Any time you preside over the worst offense in te conference is a serious cause for concern. Same for last year's 8-6 record.greenblood said:
Why does that number seem so familiar?RoadDawg55 said:Utah State, Sac State, OSU, and WSU. Four games that we should win right there. After that Cal, Utah, Arizona all at home. Win at least 2 of those. 6 wins. @BallSacked likes Cal and I know they have Goff, but they have no defense and a terrible coach. Boise State or another unlikely upset on the road is 7.
@Gladstone, I'm not sure why you feel I'm the poster boy for thinking we will suck. I just thought, "It's year two and all great coaches take off in year 2" was simplistic and unlikely. We will suck. Just like we sucked last year and under Sark. In my mind, finishing in the middle of the Pac 12 and playing in a dreckfest bowl = your team sucks.
I am curious how Petersen is getting a pass for having a mirrior image Sark season, with another next year being predicted? Yet Sark got obliterated by everyone me included.
Boise was rolling before he took over and they are rolling now. Thinking Petersen will lead us to the top and past Oregon, or even Stanford is wishful thinking at this point.
That said, the talent this year sucks. Sark had multiple years and nothing ever changed. A lot of the talent issues aren't Petersen's fault. I guess I see your argument that it's Petersen's job to maximize the talent, and I agree. I'm just not sure how many coaches could actually produce more than 8 wins with what is available. -
I get saying that the fake punt call on Stanford was terrible. To say that we win the game without that call is pressing. There was ZERO indication that the offense was going to ever score at that point.
The Arizona game came down to a lack of execution.
The bowl game summarized the season in my mind as their was zero leadership offensively particularly from the QB position.
Until we see better from the QB position, it will be a challenge to accurately judge.
I don't think the overall talent on the roster will make us uncompetitive -
Gilby took over a soft team from Rick and went 6-6. I think he'll do better his second year.
Ty took over a 1-10 dumpster fire from Gilby. I think he'll do better his second year.
Sark took over OWENFUCKINGTWELVE. I think he'll do better his second year.
Petermen took over from Sark - this is the problem - no patience and I just don't fucking care anymore. Winners win. Win or don't. fuck it we're stuck with him. Pat Haden isn't walking through that door again.
Rick took over from Lambo who lost to Hawaii in a bowl and lost the team and won the Rose Bowl his second year. Still trying to find someone as good as the guy who ruined Husky Football
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If Travis Coons just hit a couple FG's, we would have won 9 games in 2012.Tequilla said:I get saying that the fake punt call on Stanford was terrible. To say that we win the game without that call is pressing. There was ZERO indication that the offense was going to ever score at that point.
The Arizona game came down to a lack of execution.
The bowl game summarized the season in my mind as their was zero leadership offensively particularly from the QB position.
Until we see better from the QB position, it will be a challenge to accurately judge.
I don't think the overall talent on the roster will make us uncompetitive -
What gives me the most hope is that the 2014 and 2015 classes were deliberately constructed to enhance the overall talent, depth, and balance of the roster going forward. We are stuck with Babushka another year but he easily could be gone if he has another crappy offensive year but those players have at least two more years with the program.
I mean fuck, Sarkisian signed QBs Nick Montana in 2010 andJoseph GrayDerrick Brown in 2011. He also signed just 2 OL in his 2011 class (both are our lone RS-SRs now) and Tufunga didn't have any other offers.
His 2012 class was his worst (besides the 2009 class with ZERO OL). He signed 25 guys but as RS-JRs and true SRs, 11 are already gone with 6 never having played a single down for UW. That's nearly 1 out of every 4 players...purely vomit.Tequilla said:I get saying that the fake punt call on Stanford was terrible. To say that we win the game without that call is pressing. There was ZERO indication that the offense was going to ever score at that point.
The Arizona game came down to a lack of execution.
The bowl game summarized the season in my mind as their was zero leadership offensively particularly from the QB position.
Until we see better from the QB position, it will be a challenge to accurately judge.
I don't think the overall talent on the roster will make us uncompetitive -
Kind of agree with "meh". It seemed like UW struggled to play with energy last year. That should be more concerning than losing a game because Cooper fumbled it away like a fucktard. Some players really brought it every play (DS HK), but collectively they were hit or miss there especially in the scrimmages and the bowl. Maybe that's entirely due to purging out the Sark Stench. CCPs public quotes point to that.AZDuck said:That's kind of my point as well. Now that Peterman is in the big league, there wasn't anything I can point to from Year 1 and say "okay, I see improvement here" or what have you. The offense regressed, and the defense was porous despite having all those NFL draft picks. I get that there was a big adjustment and a Sark hangover, I was just surprised at how "meh" last year's Huskies were.
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RoadDawg55 said:
Quite honestly If Travis Coons just hit a couple FG's, we would have won 9 games in 2012.Tequilla said:I get saying that the fake punt call on Stanford was terrible. To say that we win the game without that call is pressing. There was ZERO indication that the offense was going to ever score at that point.
The Arizona game came down to a lack of execution.
The bowl game summarized the season in my mind as their was zero leadership offensively particularly from the QB position.
Until we see better from the QB position, it will be a challenge to accurately judge.
I don't think the overall talent on the roster will make us uncompetitive
