"Hey citizens, killing people is wrong. Now watch us kill these teenage boys."
While I support the death penalty, there is no question that you raise a valid point.
(BTW, those kids will be in their 30s before being executed, if at all.)
I don't really like to use quotes to present my side but anything I type out is just going to be a version of this quote from Ricky Gervais.
"I don't think you can have a state that shows that sort of violence against an individual, whatever they've done, and expect people to accept the very code and morality of treating people equally and not showing violence towards them"
I can definitely see the other side of it. I would have said I supported the death penalty up until a few years ago. I think if you murder someone you probably deserve to die. Whether or not the government should execute you is, I think, a different question.
I also hate the attitude some people have towards it. The fuck it, lets kill em, RoadDawg hoping they get killed attitude is pretty disheartening.
"Hey citizens, killing people is wrong. Now watch us kill these teenage boys."
The other great message is "Hey citizens, killing people is wrong. But if you decide to do so, justice and accountability will consist of taxpayer funded feeding and housing and the option of private or publicly funded legal expenses to help get your ass out early if at all possible."
Using the argument that it's wrong to kill people, therefore the death penalty is wrong misses the mark. It's wrong to imprison someone against their will as well, but you will go to jail if you're found guilty of doing so, so do we change the laws by the same logic to do away with prisons? I'm not comfortable with the death penalty either, but not because it is "wrong". Whether or not it is a deterrent, the death penalty is the ultimate accountability and does have a place in the justice system. My problems with it have to do with other factors. First, making absolutely sure the person being executed is responsible for the capital crime, and second the process itself. In most cases there is an unreasonable and cruel amount of time to process the penalty, and those issuing the orders and performing the executions have to innocently bear the weight of their actions. It's a penalty that can lead to a lot of individual loss in the process of ensuring justice and accountability are served.
It's true that it costs more the execute someone than it does to keep them in jail their entire lives. It's a huge problem with the death penalty. You can't execute a guy because he has a physical ailment. That makes sense. Each defendant is allowed X amount of appeals before they get the axe (I'm pretty sure that's how it's done these days.), on the tax payers dime. And, some of those who are executed were wrongly convicted. The whole system needs to get overhauled. It needs to be cheaper, faster, and more accurate.
Where are all of the pissed of Trayvon people? Where is the outrage over 3 black teens admitting to murdering for fun? No, definitely makes more sense to assume that Zimmerman was racist which is much worse. Definition of whats wrong in America.
Where are all of the pissed of Trayvon people? Where is the outrage over 3 black teens admitting to murdering for fun? No, definitely makes more sense to assume that Zimmerman was racist which is much worse. Definition of whats wrong in America.
It's not their fault, they are just misguided children and Oklahoma lacks the strict gun control laws that exist in places like Chicago. Besides, could these little angels really hunt down and shoot an unarmed man in the back?
Barack Obama could have been that Australian college baseball player.
I don't think so...but If Joe Biden had a son he would look like Chris Lane.
again. the nation is not outraged about this, this story has no legs....just like the 7 year old killed in Chigo last weekend. No one gives a fuck because it doesn't further there political agenda. The Zimmerman deal was clearly a phony scandal.
"Hey citizens, killing people is wrong. Now watch us kill these teenage boys."
While I support the death penalty, there is no question that you raise a valid point.
(BTW, those kids will be in their 30s before being executed, if at all.)
I don't really like to use quotes to present my side but anything I type out is just going to be a version of this quote from Ricky Gervais.
"I don't think you can have a state that shows that sort of violence against an individual, whatever they've done, and expect people to accept the very code and morality of treating people equally and not showing violence towards them"
I can definitely see the other side of it. I would have said I supported the death penalty up until a few years ago. I think if you murder someone you probably deserve to die. Whether or not the government should execute you is, I think, a different question.
I also hate the attitude some people have towards it. The fuck it, lets kill em, RoadDawg hoping they get killed attitude is pretty disheartening.
I actually agree with you, and was probably a little quick to say they should all get the death penalty. I know the news is full of fucked up shit happening everyday, but this story really pissed me off. Killing somebody because you are bored? I would rather these fucks spend their life in prison then the death penalty.
What will be an outrage will be if they get relatively short sentences because they are minors. They should be tried as adults.
Where are all of the pissed of Trayvon people? Where is the outrage over 3 black teens admitting to murdering for fun? No, definitely makes more sense to assume that Zimmerman was racist which is much worse. Definition of whats wrong in America.
It's not their fault, they are just misguided children and Oklahoma lacks the strict gun control laws that exist in places like Chicago. Besides, could these little angels really hunt down and shoot an unarmed man in the back?
James Edwards (15 year old) must be Gucci's Mane's son. Look at the resemblance.
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"Hey citizens, killing people is wrong. Now watch us kill these teenage boys."
(BTW, those kids will be in their 30s before being executed, if at all.)
"I don't think you can have a state that shows that sort of violence against an individual, whatever they've done, and expect people to accept the very code and morality of treating people equally and not showing violence towards them"
I can definitely see the other side of it. I would have said I supported the death penalty up until a few years ago. I think if you murder someone you probably deserve to die. Whether or not the government should execute you is, I think, a different question.
I also hate the attitude some people have towards it. The fuck it, lets kill em, RoadDawg hoping they get killed attitude is pretty disheartening.
Using the argument that it's wrong to kill people, therefore the death penalty is wrong misses the mark. It's wrong to imprison someone against their will as well, but you will go to jail if you're found guilty of doing so, so do we change the laws by the same logic to do away with prisons? I'm not comfortable with the death penalty either, but not because it is "wrong". Whether or not it is a deterrent, the death penalty is the ultimate accountability and does have a place in the justice system. My problems with it have to do with other factors. First, making absolutely sure the person being executed is responsible for the capital crime, and second the process itself. In most cases there is an unreasonable and cruel amount of time to process the penalty, and those issuing the orders and performing the executions have to innocently bear the weight of their actions. It's a penalty that can lead to a lot of individual loss in the process of ensuring justice and accountability are served.
again. the nation is not outraged about this, this story has no legs....just like the 7 year old killed in Chigo last weekend. No one gives a fuck because it doesn't further there political agenda. The Zimmerman deal was clearly a phony scandal.
What will be an outrage will be if they get relatively short sentences because they are minors. They should be tried as adults.
James Edwards (15 year old) must be Gucci's Mane's son. Look at the resemblance.