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Another Stellar Incoming OLine Class

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  • DerekJohnsonDerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 66,115 Founders Club

    Answer the question!
    Sassy!
  • TierbsHsotBoobsTierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    Hiring a guy who gets embarrassed by his rivals is a great way to fail.
  • SoutherndawgSoutherndawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,326 Founders Club

    No no no, that's me speculating.

    So it is possible that this is an AND and not an OR. Michalczik saw that Sark's staff had a frat house mentality, wanted no part of it AND saw a move to Oakland as an opportunity to stay in the Bay Area while working for a personal friend AND making NFL money. It's possible he chose the life of abundance.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 110,254 Founders Club
    If you're just here to speculate you won't last long
  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    edited July 2013

    So it is possible that this is an AND and not an OR. Michalczik saw that Sark's staff had a frat house mentality, wanted no part of it AND saw a move to Oakland as an opportunity to stay in the Bay Area while working for a personal friend AND making NFL money. It's possible he chose the life of abundance.
    I like that most of you caught on. Except Kopestopper. He still has an OR mentality I think.
  • section8section8 Member Posts: 1,581

    Why are some of you guys making the same mistakes as doogs where you are blaming position coach? It all falls to the top.

    The OL won't improve until Sark is fired. Simple as that.

    You have to replace every assistant at least once before the HC get's blamed #thescript
  • section8section8 Member Posts: 1,581

    Let's hire Wilcox as head coach. Cause hiring first time head coaches with no head coaching offers worked so well with Sark.

    I'm pretty sure that after an exhaustive and unrealistic (Nick Saban, Urban Meyer) nation wide coaching search Woody will announce just that. Maybe Wilcox will work out, he's at least smart enough to realize the defensive players aren't all that great and change the scheme but in the end I feel like that as a HC he's just another Sark minus Erin Andrews and Joey's waitresses. Allegedly.

  • puppylove_sugarsteelpuppylove_sugarsteel Member Posts: 9,133

    I highly doubt Kirkland subscribes to Dawgman. That being said, I know that Yale's opinion of him is that he was not a Division 1 level football player. The Oregon board all had a good laugh when we took his commitment because Chip wouldn't touch him with a ten-foot pole
    Yale is a fucking butthole Sniffer, Pure and Simple. dude has never held a foootball. His "film analysis " is comical

  • puppylove_sugarsteelpuppylove_sugarsteel Member Posts: 9,133
    Global said:

    OL is low priority for Sark even though he would never admit it. And fundamentally he made his first mistake by hiring Dan Cozzetto when his first choice from Cal reversed and turned Sark down. Cozzetto is a mean-spirited screamer who cannot teach. None of these talented OL prospects want to play for him, since word of his style has got out. Of course other teams use Cozzetto against us in recruiting. But Sark has kept Cozzetto despite the most inept years of OL recruiting and development in UW football history.
    Unacceptable.

    Did you watch Cozz's Oline last year? By the way, Sean Harlow looks really good at OSU. HUGE FUCKING loss for Sark. Worse than the skinny bball player, unless your Sark

  • RoadDawg55RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,123

    Did you watch Cozz's Oline last year? By the way, Sean Harlow looks really good at OSU. HUGE FUCKING loss for Sark. Worse than the skinny bball player, unless your Sark

    Losing Harlow was bad, but how do you know he looks really good? He hasn't even played a game.

  • IrishDawg22IrishDawg22 Member Posts: 2,754

    Losing Harlow was bad, but how do you know he looks really good? He hasn't even played a game.

    In his Freshman photo :))
  • HeretoBeatmyChestHeretoBeatmyChest Member Posts: 4,295

    Let's hire Wilcox as head coach. Cause hiring first time head coaches with no head coaching offers worked so well with Sark.
    Trying to equate hiring Wilcox with Sark is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard on this bored. Yeah...the 2 are the same...Except for the fact that Wilcox has improved defenses at three different schools and worked with mediocre and marginal talent while Sark was an OC for 2 years working with 5* talent.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 110,254 Founders Club
  • Dawgs4everDawgs4ever Member Posts: 170


    Let's hire Wilcox as head coach. Cause hiring first time head coaches with no head coaching offers worked so well with Sark.

    Hiring a first time head coach isn't always a bad idea. Chip Kelly turned out okay. The problem is hiring first time coaches who haven't done shit to establish that they can be a head coach (e.g. Lane Kiffin, Sark, etc) other than ride the coattails of a high-riding program and a great head coach. Most USC fans didn't think Sark was worth a shit as the OC for them. Conversely, Wilcox has kicked ass for quite a few years now in a number of different jobs. Far more prepared for a HC job than Sark ever was.

    Not that I'm saying I'd take Wilcox over a proven HC. But if you're going to hire a first time HC, at least hire somebody who has more credentials and a proven history of success.

  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781

    Hiring a first time head coach isn't always a bad idea. Chip Kelly turned out okay. The problem is hiring first time coaches who haven't done shit to establish that they can be a head coach (e.g. Lane Kiffin, Sark, etc) other than ride the coattails of a high-riding program and a great head coach. Most USC fans didn't think Sark was worth a shit as the OC for them. Conversely, Wilcox has kicked ass for quite a few years now in a number of different jobs. Far more prepared for a HC job than Sark ever was.

    Not that I'm saying I'd take Wilcox over a proven HC. But if you're going to hire a first time HC, at least hire somebody who has more credentials and a proven history of success.

    Yes, Wilcox is a better coordinator than Sark was. A no, he shouldn't be hired as head coach. And since you are saying he should the hired over an experienced head coach, why continue to debate this mute point.
  • TierbsHsotBoobsTierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680

    Trying to equate hiring Wilcox with Sark is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard on this bored. Yeah...the 2 are the same...Except for the fact that Wilcox has improved defenses at three different schools and worked with mediocre and marginal talent while Sark was an OC for 2 years working with 5* talent.
    The dude's defense got prison raped by Oregon and blew an 18 point lead in the Apple Cup.

    Clearly he deserves a promotion.
  • SoutherndawgSoutherndawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,326 Founders Club
    Global said:



    .......... As SouthernDawg notes, I am big proponent of coaching stability, and against the "coaching carousel" mentality. Coaching stability was a factor in DJ's success, and more recently in Oregon's success. But it depends on having good coaches in place to begin with.

    Bottom line, coaching stability makes no sense unless the coach is worthy.

    By the way, Oregon pushed Bellotti up and out of the way when Kelly came along in a move somewhat similar to the move Tennessee made in replacing Johnny Majors with Phil Fulmer. Is that what you mean by coaching stability? Or maybe the OC churn of Tedford, Ludwig, Crowton, Kelly from 2002 to 2007?

    Global said:


    In response to SouthernDawg, it is true that for years I have argued in favor of coaching stability, and that lead to me being supportive of coaches who did not deserve support. What i have said also is that (as in the case of Sark and as became the case with Willingham), they should be judged by teams composed of their own recruits who have been coached through their system. I know that there are times when a new coach will have success with the previous team's recruits, but the measure of whether a coach is suitable for longer term -- i.e., whether he can be the guy for coaching stability -- is how his teams do in year's 4-5 when his recruits become upperclassmen trained in his system. I was wrong to support a last year for Willingham, and I said so at the time, but I did support him for the reasons I state above. I should have discarded those reasons, but I did not in favor of stability.

    ..........................

    You don't need 4 - 5 years to tell if a coach is going to be worth his salt. Trends in hiring assistants, recruiting, player development, and performance on the field are usually clear long before you get to a fifth year.
  • HeretoBeatmyChestHeretoBeatmyChest Member Posts: 4,295

    The dude's defense got prison raped by Oregon and blew an 18 point lead in the Apple Cup.

    Clearly he deserves a promotion.
    You missed the part where I said "If you want stability..."

    You can pick out a few negative points for anyone. Hell Mora's defense gave up 28+ points 8 fucking times last year including 43 to Cal, 49 to Baylor, 36 to WSU. They fortunately missed Oregon.

    Tim DeRuyter's D gave up 40 to San Diego St, 42 to Oregon, and 36 to Nevada.

  • TierbsHsotBoobsTierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680

    You missed the part where I said "If you want stability..."

    You can pick out a few negative points for anyone. Hell Mora's defense gave up 28+ points 8 fucking times last year including 43 to Cal, 49 to Baylor, 36 to WSU. They fortunately missed Oregon.

    Tim DeRuyter's D gave up 40 to San Diego St, 42 to Oregon, and 36 to Nevada.

    If you want stability with this coaching staff, you deserve to die in a fucking fire.

    Mora's defense was good enough to beat its rival and win its division of the Pac-12.

    As for Tim DeRuyter, I don't give a fuck.
  • greenbloodgreenblood Member Posts: 14,553

    If you want stability with this coaching staff, you deserve to die in a fucking fire.

    Mora's defense was good enough to beat its rival and win its division of the Pac-12.

    As for Tim DeRuyter, I don't give a fuck.
    Duck fans love Sark and his staff.

    If your rival loves your head coach and staff, then you need a new head coach and staff. I think we're done here.
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