Pray for Stanford
Our esteemed colleagues and friends at Stanford are having a hard time these days. Normally, a group of people self-described as being too focused on the next start-up to be all that concerned about geo-political matters (leave that to the Berkeley kids), the campus of the Tree is as embroiled in Pro-Palestinian Jew hating as any campus in the country.
Only when the spineless interim Prez saw what happened to his friends at Penn and Harvard did Furd come out and say, "yeah, calls for genocide are not ok."
The real story at Stanford is not about the malicious actors who endorse sexual assault and murder as forms of resistance, but about those who passively enable them because they believe their side can do no wrong. You don’t have to understand what you’re arguing for in order to argue for it. You don’t have to be able to name the river or the sea under discussion to chant “From the river to the sea.” This kind of obliviousness explains how one of my friends, a gay activist, can justify Hamas’s actions, even though it would have the two of us—an outspoken queer person and a Jewish reporter—killed in a heartbeat. A similar mentality can exist on the other side: I have heard students insist on the absolute righteousness of Israel yet seem uninterested in learning anything about what life is like in Gaza.
This is a great piece, and is eye opening.
Hope this works:
https://archive.li/5hkLb#selection-1177.0-1177.811
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Thud.
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The people I have known over the years who spout the Palestinian crap have not even bothered to read up on the history. They are ignorant and they are simply followers who need something in their pathetic lives to feel like part of a group.
To be gay or Jewish and side with animals like Jew hating and gay murdering hamas just goes to show you how pathetically non-thinking and goose stepping these followers are. The rat parents raise non-thinking, blue ribbon kids, the kids go to college, get indoctrinated by liberals who only want to live in that cocoon that is a college campus. The campus where no one is challenged and the real world is only a figment of someone's imagination. Those liberal indoctrinated, blue ribbon little sweethearts graduate and then go back to that cocoon to start the process all over again. No other political perspective allowed, just like minded rats.
These teachers, administrators and students are standing shoulder to shoulder with Jew haters who have zero problem with their rapes, murders and child beheadings. It makes Selma seem like a big waste of time.
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No other political perspective allowed
It's ironic when the most liberal of liberals don't realize what they're fighting for. Who wants to bring this up at the next protest?
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The Atlantic is your source?
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You're on a roll today ese.
If the Atlantic is posting a piece that exposes liberal Pro-Palestine bananas at Furd, then you know it must be pretty bad.
Or are you trying to say that the Atlantic is a right wing Nazi publication?
First the abortion issue. Now you're siding with the terrorists. What are we going to do with you Pawz?
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I have to say, I agree with 100% of this 100%. Especially the history part. It is FUCKING STAGGERING how poorly informed they are on the issue about which they are screaming so loudly.
@pawz , you need to reel this shit in right now.
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I’m not screaming.
As noted in a previous post, I’m familiar with the history. Maybe I should stop reading books?It seems myopic to reduce the history to O7. A technique used similarly to curry favor for the Ukraine war - reducing the history to Feb ‘22.
Especially for a tribal dispute that goes back millennia.
Again I’m going to get pilloried for this, but I intend to keep an unemotional, even keel demeanor during the evaluation of this conflict. Sorry not sorry if that outcome is disfavored..
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Unfortunately, and we know you know this, but the Arab world (and the mythical Palestinians) and Muslims have been trying to off the Jews since the founding of Israel which was a bit before October 7, 2023. That is still their intended purpose. If having the Jews either submit to death or just decide to abandon Israel (and go where?) is your solution that does indeed appear to be unemotional and also delusional as letting Hamas retain control of Gaza. I mean we de-nazified Germany for some reason after round 2. In round 1, we left the Germans intact as a self-governing nation. That turned out well.
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I was 11 for the 6 day war in 1967. Israel was restrained. 1974 Isreal was restrained
Every time the enemy reloads and comes back. I knew as a youth who I'd prefer to live with and who shared values with America
Emotions got nothing to do with it
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Exactly. The further back we go, the worse the Pali's actions look.
Broken peace accords
Repeated rejection of two state solution
Hamas theft of foreign aid.
FFS- Israel is willing to hand over murderers to get their hostages back. All the while Hamas hides in plain sight and places hostages in civilians homes.
The fact that Hamas leaders live in Qatar should be evident they don't give a shit about their people. They want conflict to line their pockets. Then they want Jews dead. Everywhere. This isn't debatable.
Oct 7th wasn't the only reason to go to war- but it was the last reason.
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Biden and H welcome them
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Well, the bleeding hearts are gonna bleed, because Bibi is going to fucking finish this fucking thing like the Allied Forces finished Germany. Completely.
I don't see Israel ever coming to the table with Palestinian state advocates ever again. Why should they? Those fucking people are going to continue shooting missiles and launch sneak attacks here and there. But big picture, none of them can pick a real fight with Israel. Gadflies.
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The Atlantic has had one of the worst cases of TDS in all of publishing. Since 2016.
I have no patience for anything they might have to say.
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Thank you. I'm aware of the history. I read books.
I'm not suggesting Hamas have control of anything.
I'm still viewing the conflict with pre-O7 eyes.
O7 was heinous. But how is it materially different than any other murderous dust-ups in that conflict? Of which there are many.
To be clear, I'm not condoning any of it.
Everybody thinks they are the biggest victim.
I'm only acknowledging shit-heads on both sides. How do you plan to deal with them and all their culpability? The goal shold be a lasting peace.
I think the younger generation is ready for it.
Until they aren't.
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Same rag that published the “soldiers are losers” libel at Trump that nobody with him that day verified that they heard, including those like Bolton who hated Trump.
Must be nice to be a Leftist, where you can just make something up and it becomes national news for a week in this case, or with the Steele Dossier, years including investigations they now admit were based on lies to a FISA court and information from Steele they knew wasn’t accurate. No consequences for any of it, either.
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I don’t view terrorists as people. And it’s an entire city-state of brainwashed terrorists.
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"I'm only acknowledging shit-heads on both sides. How do you plan to deal with them and all their culpability? The goal shold be a lasting peace.
I think the younger generation is ready for it."
Soft headed weak ass moral equivalency argument. Gaza was safe on October 6. Then it wasn't for some reason. Israel had a thousand plus live citizens on October 6 and then it didn't. Was it retired Hamas elders that murdered, raped and beheaded the Israeli citizens or was it the younger generation? Israel is dealing with the culpable people. When the solution that will satisfy the young Gazans is "From the River to the Sea" as the goal for lasting peace, they need to be taught differently. You say that you understand history and then ignore it and make excuses.
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I'm all out of crocodile tears for these people. I trust Israel to do what's best in Israel's interest and that's about as far as I give a shit at this point.
The clown brigade isn't worth engaging.
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100% this.
It's embarrassing how much traction Hamas support has gained in American congress.
The ME is a clusterfuck, I'm siding with the one country upholding western values.
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I just don’t like Muslims. Pretty simple actually. They are our enemies and will always be until Islam has some sort of enlightenment
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Sounds like you think and care. @WestlinnDuck
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Some History:
The home demolitions were part of an unsuccessful campaign to halt thousands of attacks on soldiers and Jewish settlers in southern Gaza, along the border with Egypt, in the preceding 3 ½ years …
… According to the U.N. agency handling Palestinian refugees, the military had left more than 17,000 Gazans homeless in the four years after a Palestinian uprising against Israel erupted in September 2000. The demolitions drew international condemnation at the time.
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"Soft headed" … It takes far more personal fortitude to NOT respond violently to violence. Ghandi was known for his iron will - not just his pacifism - when he defeated the British Empire.
I'm sure a draconian reprisal will be different this tim…
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"Was it retired Hamas elders" … It is certainly the elders that remember being forcibly removed from their homes and to watch those homes be bulldozed.
How would you respond to being forcibly removed from your home and/or have to watch it be torn to the ground? I'm guessing not well.
This isn't isolated to the above story either. This is effectively what's been going on since the west decided this is where Jews would live post WW2. It's a fact. Some would say the history.
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"they need to be taught differently" … "I'm sure they will learn differently by killing more of them," said no sincere person ever.
The younger generation can observe the actions of the West for themselves. Its a safe bet what the Elders will say. Why act in a way which reinforces that?
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"You say that you understand history and then ignore it" … We are watching the same cycle over and over - heinous lashing out followed by draconian response. Both sides ultimately unsuccessful.
We need to deal with what is causing the lashing out and effectively being incarcerated for decades. Hamas is a symptom, not the cause. The cause is the outrage from losing their homes and subsequent incarceration. I'm not saying Israel should give back what's taken, but they need to find a better way to deal with those issues. The outrage is understandable.
You seem to want to continue the pattern. I don't. IF you want something different, you need to do something different.
One thing is for sure. Leadership from both sides of the victim-card think they profit politically by unrest and violence. Same as it ever was.
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So how is watching history repeat itself and acknowledging that fact, ignoring it? Pray tell.
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I'll just deal with the first two. When the goal is the extermination of your citizens, you get to fight back.
The home demolitions were part of an unsuccessful campaign to halt thousands of attacks on soldiers and Jewish settlers in southern Gaza, along the border with Egypt, in the preceding 3 ½ years
I added some more emphasis to the part you don't seem concerned about. October 7th, From the River to the Sea, wasn't about Jewish settlers on their land unless you concede that the Palis think that the Israelis are on their land, which they do.
"Soft headed" … It takes far more personal fortitude to NOT respond violently to violence. Ghandi was known for his iron will - not just his pacifism - when he defeated the British Empire.
I'm sure a draconian reprisal will be different this tim…
Yes, soft headed and historically ignorant. The Westernized British Empire was not Hamas nor was it the Soviet Union under Stalin or Germany under Hitler. Arafat knew if he agreed to peace, he was a dead man. There is no Pali Ghandi. And there are Jewish Ghandis. But when dealing with brutal killers, most Israelis don't have the iron will just to die and get over it. And yes, draconian reprisals are more effective than appeasement. Consider World War I vs. World War II. Or reviewing the establishment of the totalitarian USSR and Communist China. The Palis could have peace if they want it. They don't. Which is my point. Your point remains that the Jews should just ….
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The world is full of sad stories of who did what to whom a long time ago. Imagine if the Native Americans were to adopt the terrorist approach for wrongs visited upon them, and there were many much more heinous wrongs they suffered than the wrongs done to Arab Palestinians in 1948. Much more heinous.
This also doesn't explain terrorism by the same, or closely related, ethnic and religious people elsewhere who don't have the same history. You're ignoring the very real religious reasons why Muslims act out against Jews.
This also doesn't explain why these very people rejected 4 completely generous and reasonable peace offerings by Israel over the years. Four times. Arafat rejected the last one because he knew he'd be dead within a week of signing any kind of peace accord with the Jews. HIS PEOPLE DID NOT WANT IT ON ANY TERMS OTHER THAN ISRAEL PACKING UP! You have to understand that before talking about how to deal with this crowd. Conventional notions of abused children just don't apply here.
Lastly, I reject the label of pre-10/7 Gaza as "effectively being incarcerated." Those aren't the facts. Stop blowing up your neighbor's house. Until then, they're going to regulate who comes and goes. But Israel didn't prevent capital investment in Gaza. Didn't prevent development of shoreline condos and resorts. Didn't prevent improved infrastructure. What if the Gazan's had invested all that terror money into making Gaza a desirable place to be? In which to invest? JFC, Trump's son-in-law can see it from here.
No. Some people are who they are as you find them to be. We are at least a generation removed from a population of Palestinian Arabs whom we can trust to not fall into terror governments. Bibi knows that, but it doesn't mean it's what he wants.
Consider this. After WWI, we blamed ourselves for leaving Germany in ruins and humiliating them with post-war restrictions. We said that we left a country ripe for an authoritarian overthrow, and that's what happened. But even while acknowledging our role in Bad Germany Part II, it didn't stop us from obliterating them again. Gandhi was successful in his peace campaign because he was dealing with an evolved, enlightened world power. And, candidly, the British are special and unique among world governments, and you know it. Most other countries, in my estimation, only understand the whip.
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I don't bother reading about the Middle East after reading up on the Mufti of Jerusalem (preWWII) and his war crimes and how the west sent him to Egypt in hopes of getting mass quantities of oil. Nothing worked as planned for either side and still doesn't - nothing has changed except the press.
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Who are you going to believe some pimple faced loser in college or the son of a Hamas commander? You really should see what they say when it's not for Americans
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The people there voted Hamas into office. The gaslighting from our politicians and their media is so absurd yet it’s effective on tens of millions of ignorant dopes. They trust whatever they see as if politicians and the media are the ultimate authority of truth.
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The single greatest line of bullshit in this whole debate is the one that tries to cast the Gazans and other Palestinian Arabs as victims of Hamas and Israel. The same stupid line some have used to apologize for Germany's old habits of aggression. Just a few loons in charge and a bunch of fine people just trying to live peacefully.
In all fairness, it is hard for anyone raised in the west to fit in their heads the idea that Palestine is that full of people who firmly believe in the goal of eliminating Israel and Jews from the region. It's like, yeah, man, they are dead serious. Yeah, even the guy who teaches third grade kids. He's a full on operative. JFC.
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Look at supposed institutions of peace like Amnesty International. They couldn't be more left and more pro-authoritarian. And like all leftard organizations, the Big Lie is in play. Just a poor young "writer" who has been held by the horrible Jews for 38 years. Amnesty International has no interest in a peaceful solution that isn't From the River to the Sea. Same with the term genocide. Genocide is what happened to the Jews in Europe under the NAZIs, the Armenian genocide by the Turks in 2015, the starvation of millions of Ukrainians by Stalin in the early 1930s, or the Tutsi genocide in Rwanda in 1994. That is what real genocide looks like. When you need to lie to make your point, maybe you don't have a point. There will peace in Gaza when Gaza wants peace.
