have black communities ever tried diplomacy?

Baphomet

MikeDamone said:

RaceBannon said:

A lot of armchair law enforcers hiding behind computer screens here, If you ever get robbed you're going to want that cop to show up 4 hours later and tell you they don't give a shit.

RaceBannon said:

A lot of armchair law enforcers hiding behind computer screens here, If you ever get robbed you're going to want that cop to show up 4 hours later and tell you they don't give a shit.

Funny you should mention that. I had a car broken into and called the police. They told me to go online and fill out a report. I told them no, that was their job and they needed to come out and take the report. They said they didn't have an officer that could do it for a couple hours. I said fine. I'll be waiting. Cop finally comes out, first question he asks is if I have insurance. I asked what did that have to do with anything? He said they likely would never find my stuff and at least I could get it replaced. I asked him if they were going to look and he said no.

Fuck...but if I happen to forget to put on a seatbelt fucker would be johnny on the spot to give me a ticket.

Friend of mine and his wife were packing their car for a trip, with trips back and forth between the car and house -- in one of those gentrifying parts of Seattle... when they are almost done... they realize her purse is gone. He goes inside and uses the apple "find my phone" app to locate the phone that was in the purse... and narrows it down to 2 houses about 5 blocks away... in the same neighborhood, but in the part that is less gentrified.

They call the police, explain the situation, and that they have narrowed it down to two houses. The purse also had a fairly expensive camera in it, in addition to the iPhone.

Cops said they couldn't do anything unless a witness saw the theft... regardless of what the "find my phone" app showed.

Lazy fuckers. You can blame the ACLU all you want for making police work harder... but that is pure laziness.

IrishDawg22

Cops have changed along with society. In general, especially in minority communities, kids are no longer taught respect, values, etc. I would say 95% of these situations could be avoided if people shut their mouths, obeyed police commands and let the legal system do the work.

When you have to deal with animals on a daily basis, it is going to change the way you react to people.

This is a dangerous situation because the police will continue to be placed under greater scrutiny, while political correctness will not allow the discussion ever to get at the root cause.

IrishDawg22

Baphomet said:

MikeDamone said:

RaceBannon said:

A lot of armchair law enforcers hiding behind computer screens here, If you ever get robbed you're going to want that cop to show up 4 hours later and tell you they don't give a shit.

RaceBannon said:

A lot of armchair law enforcers hiding behind computer screens here, If you ever get robbed you're going to want that cop to show up 4 hours later and tell you they don't give a shit.

Funny you should mention that. I had a car broken into and called the police. They told me to go online and fill out a report. I told them no, that was their job and they needed to come out and take the report. They said they didn't have an officer that could do it for a couple hours. I said fine. I'll be waiting. Cop finally comes out, first question he asks is if I have insurance. I asked what did that have to do with anything? He said they likely would never find my stuff and at least I could get it replaced. I asked him if they were going to look and he said no.

Fuck...but if I happen to forget to put on a seatbelt fucker would be johnny on the spot to give me a ticket.

Friend of mine and his wife were packing their car for a trip, with trips back and forth between the car and house -- in one of those gentrifying parts of Seattle... when they are almost done... they realize her purse is gone. He goes inside and uses the apple "find my phone" app to locate the phone that was in the purse... and narrows it down to 2 houses about 5 blocks away... in the same neighborhood, but in the part that is less gentrified.

They call the police, explain the situation, and that they have narrowed it down to two houses. The purse also had a fairly expensive camera in it, in addition to the iPhone.

Cops said they couldn't do anything unless a witness saw the theft... regardless of what the "find my phone" app showed.

Lazy fuckers. You can blame the ACLU all you want for making police work harder... but that is pure laziness.

Maybe he should have pulled the tampon out of his giner, then grabbed his gun and walked down the street like a fucking man to get his purse back.

Edit: my fault, just saw it happened in Seattle

PurpleJ

MikeDamone said:

RaceBannon said:

A lot of armchair law enforcers hiding behind computer screens here, If you ever get robbed you're going to want that cop to show up 4 hours later and tell you they don't give a shit.

RaceBannon said:

A lot of armchair law enforcers hiding behind computer screens here, If you ever get robbed you're going to want that cop to show up 4 hours later and tell you they don't give a shit.

Funny you should mention that. I had a car broken into and called the police. They told me to go online and fill out a report. I told them no, that was their job and they needed to come out and take the report. They said they didn't have an officer that could do it for a couple hours. I said fine. I'll be waiting. Cop finally comes out, first question he asks is if I have insurance. I asked what did that have to do with anything? He said they likely would never find my stuff and at least I could get it replaced. I asked him if they were going to look and he said no.

Fuck...but if I happen to forget to put on a seatbelt fucker would be johnny on the spot to give me a ticket.

Should have told the cop that you left a dozen donuts in your car.

Baphomet

IrishDawg22 said:

Baphomet said:

MikeDamone said:

RaceBannon said:

A lot of armchair law enforcers hiding behind computer screens here, If you ever get robbed you're going to want that cop to show up 4 hours later and tell you they don't give a shit.

RaceBannon said:

A lot of armchair law enforcers hiding behind computer screens here, If you ever get robbed you're going to want that cop to show up 4 hours later and tell you they don't give a shit.

Funny you should mention that. I had a car broken into and called the police. They told me to go online and fill out a report. I told them no, that was their job and they needed to come out and take the report. They said they didn't have an officer that could do it for a couple hours. I said fine. I'll be waiting. Cop finally comes out, first question he asks is if I have insurance. I asked what did that have to do with anything? He said they likely would never find my stuff and at least I could get it replaced. I asked him if they were going to look and he said no.

Fuck...but if I happen to forget to put on a seatbelt fucker would be johnny on the spot to give me a ticket.

Friend of mine and his wife were packing their car for a trip, with trips back and forth between the car and house -- in one of those gentrifying parts of Seattle... when they are almost done... they realize her purse is gone. He goes inside and uses the apple "find my phone" app to locate the phone that was in the purse... and narrows it down to 2 houses about 5 blocks away... in the same neighborhood, but in the part that is less gentrified.

They call the police, explain the situation, and that they have narrowed it down to two houses. The purse also had a fairly expensive camera in it, in addition to the iPhone.

Cops said they couldn't do anything unless a witness saw the theft... regardless of what the "find my phone" app showed.

Lazy fuckers. You can blame the ACLU all you want for making police work harder... but that is pure laziness.

Maybe he should have pulled the tampon out of his giner, then grabbed his gun and walked down the street like a fucking man to get his purse back.

Good question. I suppose he was thinking the cops would do that (pull the tampons out of their giners, grabbed their guns... and gone to get his wife's property back). But as you noted... this was in Seattle.

doogsinparadise

IrishDawg22 said:

Cops have changed along with society. In general, especially in minority communities, kids are no longer taught respect, values, etc. I would say 95% of these situations could be avoided if people shut their mouths, obeyed police commands and let the legal system do the work.

When you have to deal with animals on a daily basis, it is going to change the way you react to people.

This is a dangerous situation because the police will continue to be placed under greater scrutiny, while political correctness will not allow the discussion ever to get at the root cause.

Woog.

RoadDawg55

Fuck the police. People always tell me that I will be thankful for them when I need them, but that hasn't happened. The few incidents where they could have been helpful, they were nowhere to be found.

Most of them seem to be lazy assholes. They work just hard enough to meet the monthly quota in speeding tickets and other traffic offenses.

oregonblitzkrieg

MikeDamone said:

DugtheDoog said:

Everything always turns into a racial issue, but the real issue here is the nationwide militarization of local police forces. There is no more friendly neighborhood cop who protect, serve and help their community. They are being taught to patrol their streets like it's Fallujah. I read stories every day of police shooting unarmed citizens for asking why they're being arrested then lying that they were fighting back, tasering 70 year old women, shooting dogs just because they're there, tear gassing obvious peaceful protestors. It's sad.

Now more than ever..fuck the police. Race is rarely the issue. These assholes get off on playing urban soldier. Fuck them.

You're just mad because they'd rather see you in the pen than you and Lorenzo rolling in a benzo.

Mosster47

HFNY said:

This could be a result of the Iraq War...how many guys came back from that shit-show and became police officers?

This wasn't our fault. They knew they were going to Iraq years before they went. They took anyone that wanted in from 98-2002 and in 2005 after the president rented a flight suit and put "Mission Accomplished" on a carrier they wanted us the fuck gone.

I remember the first force shaping in the Air Force was slated for 250,000 people. The Air Force only has about 300k total right now. The Army and Marine cuts were much more severe. If you got in trouble you were gone or you could volunteer to just get out, or go into the Guard/Reserve. Almost all of us went into the Guard/Reserve but that wasn't paying any bills. A ton of us went to college on the Chapter 30 GI Bill, but that thing sucked balls.

You're four years removed from high school so everyone in your age bracket is either finishing or well ahead of you in college and you're at square zero with some experience no gives a fuck about because so did every other kid in that age group.

If you had no educational aspirations wildland fire, urban fire, or cop was pretty much your best options. Luckily I learned a very specific skill that is taught nowhere and used to land a cush government job as a civilian. The bullet sponges (the majority) didn't.

Now we have a boat load of guys that played police in Iraq coming to do it here. It is what it is.

MikeDamone

Mosster47 said:

HFNY said:

This could be a result of the Iraq War...how many guys came back from that shit-show and became police officers?

This wasn't our fault. They knew they were going to Iraq years before they went. They took anyone that wanted in from 98-2002 and in 2005 after the president rented a flight suit and put "Mission Accomplished" on a carrier they wanted us the fuck gone.

I remember the first force shaping in the Air Force was slated for 250,000 people. The Air Force only has about 300k total right now. The Army and Marine cuts were much more severe. If you got in trouble you were gone or you could volunteer to just get out, or go into the Guard/Reserve. Almost all of us went into the Guard/Reserve but that wasn't paying any bills. A ton of us went to college on the Chapter 30 GI Bill, but that thing sucked balls.

You're four years removed from high school so everyone in your age bracket is either finishing or well ahead of you in college and you're at square zero with some experience no gives a fuck about because so did every other kid in that age group.

If you had no educational aspirations wildland fire, urban fire, or cop was pretty much your best options. Luckily I learned a very specific skill that is taught nowhere and used to land a cush government job as a civilian. The bullet sponges (the majority) didn't.

Now we have a boat load of guys that played police in Iraq coming to do it here. It is what it is.

Cush government job. Good Christ. The fact those exist is fucking bullshit.

Baphomet

MikeDamone said:

Mosster47 said:

HFNY said:

This could be a result of the Iraq War...how many guys came back from that shit-show and became police officers?

This wasn't our fault. They knew they were going to Iraq years before they went. They took anyone that wanted in from 98-2002 and in 2005 after the president rented a flight suit and put "Mission Accomplished" on a carrier they wanted us the fuck gone.

I remember the first force shaping in the Air Force was slated for 250,000 people. The Air Force only has about 300k total right now. The Army and Marine cuts were much more severe. If you got in trouble you were gone or you could volunteer to just get out, or go into the Guard/Reserve. Almost all of us went into the Guard/Reserve but that wasn't paying any bills. A ton of us went to college on the Chapter 30 GI Bill, but that thing sucked balls.

You're four years removed from high school so everyone in your age bracket is either finishing or well ahead of you in college and you're at square zero with some experience no gives a fuck about because so did every other kid in that age group.

If you had no educational aspirations wildland fire, urban fire, or cop was pretty much your best options. Luckily I learned a very specific skill that is taught nowhere and used to land a cush government job as a civilian. The bullet sponges (the majority) didn't.

Now we have a boat load of guys that played police in Iraq coming to do it here. It is what it is.

Cush government job. Good Christ. The fact those exist is fucking bullshit.

Cush jobs exist in the private sector as well.

Do those also make you angry?

Mosster47

MikeDamone said:

Mosster47 said:

HFNY said:

This could be a result of the Iraq War...how many guys came back from that shit-show and became police officers?

This wasn't our fault. They knew they were going to Iraq years before they went. They took anyone that wanted in from 98-2002 and in 2005 after the president rented a flight suit and put "Mission Accomplished" on a carrier they wanted us the fuck gone.

I remember the first force shaping in the Air Force was slated for 250,000 people. The Air Force only has about 300k total right now. The Army and Marine cuts were much more severe. If you got in trouble you were gone or you could volunteer to just get out, or go into the Guard/Reserve. Almost all of us went into the Guard/Reserve but that wasn't paying any bills. A ton of us went to college on the Chapter 30 GI Bill, but that thing sucked balls.

You're four years removed from high school so everyone in your age bracket is either finishing or well ahead of you in college and you're at square zero with some experience no gives a fuck about because so did every other kid in that age group.

If you had no educational aspirations wildland fire, urban fire, or cop was pretty much your best options. Luckily I learned a very specific skill that is taught nowhere and used to land a cush government job as a civilian. The bullet sponges (the majority) didn't.

Now we have a boat load of guys that played police in Iraq coming to do it here. It is what it is.

Cush government job. Good Christ. The fact those exist is fucking bullshit.

Oh I'm sorry, do you know how to work on missile and guided bomb systems? I didn't think so. The University of Phoenix isn't going to teach you how to maintain AIM-9L/M's, AIM-9X's, AIM-120, AGM-88, AGM-65, JDAM, Paveway's, GBU-54, and SDB's. When you have a very needed, yet very rare skill set you get to call the shots. The security clearance for that isn't extremely difficult but it's above the level of the average defense worker or military personnel.

Anyone can sell toilets.

HTH

MikeDamone

Baphomet said:

MikeDamone said:

Mosster47 said:

HFNY said:

This could be a result of the Iraq War...how many guys came back from that shit-show and became police officers?

This wasn't our fault. They knew they were going to Iraq years before they went. They took anyone that wanted in from 98-2002 and in 2005 after the president rented a flight suit and put "Mission Accomplished" on a carrier they wanted us the fuck gone.

I remember the first force shaping in the Air Force was slated for 250,000 people. The Air Force only has about 300k total right now. The Army and Marine cuts were much more severe. If you got in trouble you were gone or you could volunteer to just get out, or go into the Guard/Reserve. Almost all of us went into the Guard/Reserve but that wasn't paying any bills. A ton of us went to college on the Chapter 30 GI Bill, but that thing sucked balls.

You're four years removed from high school so everyone in your age bracket is either finishing or well ahead of you in college and you're at square zero with some experience no gives a fuck about because so did every other kid in that age group.

If you had no educational aspirations wildland fire, urban fire, or cop was pretty much your best options. Luckily I learned a very specific skill that is taught nowhere and used to land a cush government job as a civilian. The bullet sponges (the majority) didn't.

Now we have a boat load of guys that played police in Iraq coming to do it here. It is what it is.

Cush government job. Good Christ. The fact those exist is fucking bullshit.

Cush jobs exist in the private sector as well.

Do those also make you angry?

Not really since it's the business owner's choice to pay for it or not.

This is why the "government shutdown" of non essential employees was so awesome.

HTH.

pawz

PurpleJ said:

CuntWaffle said:

RaceBannon said:

A lot of armchair law enforcers hiding behind computer screens here, If you ever get robbed you're going to want that cop to show up 4 hours later and tell you they don't give a shit.

You can't expect them to get there on time when they are tasering some drunk dude peeing on the side of a building. Priorities.

They keep us safe...from our own opinions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=6bVa6jn4rpE

Food for thought: In theatrical performance, wearing black has always symbolized the bad guy.

GrundleStiltzkin

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/michael-brown-ferguson-shooting-former-nba-star-gilbert-arenas-calls-al-sharpton-attention-whore-1461156

MikeDamone

GrundleStiltzkin said:

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/michael-brown-ferguson-shooting-former-nba-star-gilbert-arenas-calls-al-sharpton-attention-whore-1461156

Ferguson is just a sell out Uncle Tom trying to make the real blacks look bad.

And using the Sterling Clause, shouldn't Ferguson be forced out of the league?

"FAMILiES of the victims pleaseeeeee stop asking #alsharpton to speak on ur behalf, you have a better chance having #caesar the monkey from #planetoftheapes to get justice for you..

"The stats also show AL coon sharpton has not helped one situation he has protested at, he actually made it worst and because of him the jury goes the other way..(think about it) Jena six, trayvon and the list goes back way back..

RaceBannon

Baphomet said:

MikeDamone said:

Mosster47 said:

HFNY said:

This could be a result of the Iraq War...how many guys came back from that shit-show and became police officers?

This wasn't our fault. They knew they were going to Iraq years before they went. They took anyone that wanted in from 98-2002 and in 2005 after the president rented a flight suit and put "Mission Accomplished" on a carrier they wanted us the fuck gone.

I remember the first force shaping in the Air Force was slated for 250,000 people. The Air Force only has about 300k total right now. The Army and Marine cuts were much more severe. If you got in trouble you were gone or you could volunteer to just get out, or go into the Guard/Reserve. Almost all of us went into the Guard/Reserve but that wasn't paying any bills. A ton of us went to college on the Chapter 30 GI Bill, but that thing sucked balls.

You're four years removed from high school so everyone in your age bracket is either finishing or well ahead of you in college and you're at square zero with some experience no gives a fuck about because so did every other kid in that age group.

If you had no educational aspirations wildland fire, urban fire, or cop was pretty much your best options. Luckily I learned a very specific skill that is taught nowhere and used to land a cush government job as a civilian. The bullet sponges (the majority) didn't.

Now we have a boat load of guys that played police in Iraq coming to do it here. It is what it is.

Cush government job. Good Christ. The fact those exist is fucking bullshit.

Cush jobs exist in the private sector as well.

Do those also make you angry?

You sound defensive

PurpleJ

pawz said:

PurpleJ said:

CuntWaffle said:

RaceBannon said:

A lot of armchair law enforcers hiding behind computer screens here, If you ever get robbed you're going to want that cop to show up 4 hours later and tell you they don't give a shit.

You can't expect them to get there on time when they are tasering some drunk dude peeing on the side of a building. Priorities.

They keep us safe...from our own opinions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=6bVa6jn4rpE

Food for thought: In theatrical performance, wearing black has always symbolized the bad guy.

Sounds pretty racist IMO. Does Obama know about this?

Mosster47

MikeDamone said:

Baphomet said:

MikeDamone said:

Mosster47 said:

HFNY said:

This could be a result of the Iraq War...how many guys came back from that shit-show and became police officers?

This wasn't our fault. They knew they were going to Iraq years before they went. They took anyone that wanted in from 98-2002 and in 2005 after the president rented a flight suit and put "Mission Accomplished" on a carrier they wanted us the fuck gone.

I remember the first force shaping in the Air Force was slated for 250,000 people. The Air Force only has about 300k total right now. The Army and Marine cuts were much more severe. If you got in trouble you were gone or you could volunteer to just get out, or go into the Guard/Reserve. Almost all of us went into the Guard/Reserve but that wasn't paying any bills. A ton of us went to college on the Chapter 30 GI Bill, but that thing sucked balls.

You're four years removed from high school so everyone in your age bracket is either finishing or well ahead of you in college and you're at square zero with some experience no gives a fuck about because so did every other kid in that age group.

If you had no educational aspirations wildland fire, urban fire, or cop was pretty much your best options. Luckily I learned a very specific skill that is taught nowhere and used to land a cush government job as a civilian. The bullet sponges (the majority) didn't.

Now we have a boat load of guys that played police in Iraq coming to do it here. It is what it is.

Cush government job. Good Christ. The fact those exist is fucking bullshit.

Cush jobs exist in the private sector as well.

Do those also make you angry?

Not really since it's the business owner's choice to pay for it or not.

This is why the "government shutdown" of non essential employees was so awesome.

HTH.

Which is why I was exempt. Keep working, I'm slated for a 3% raise next year. Daddy needs to upgrade his already awesome Titleist blades.

MikeDamone

Mosster47 said:

MikeDamone said:

Baphomet said:

MikeDamone said:

Mosster47 said:

HFNY said:

This could be a result of the Iraq War...how many guys came back from that shit-show and became police officers?

This wasn't our fault. They knew they were going to Iraq years before they went. They took anyone that wanted in from 98-2002 and in 2005 after the president rented a flight suit and put "Mission Accomplished" on a carrier they wanted us the fuck gone.

I remember the first force shaping in the Air Force was slated for 250,000 people. The Air Force only has about 300k total right now. The Army and Marine cuts were much more severe. If you got in trouble you were gone or you could volunteer to just get out, or go into the Guard/Reserve. Almost all of us went into the Guard/Reserve but that wasn't paying any bills. A ton of us went to college on the Chapter 30 GI Bill, but that thing sucked balls.

You're four years removed from high school so everyone in your age bracket is either finishing or well ahead of you in college and you're at square zero with some experience no gives a fuck about because so did every other kid in that age group.

If you had no educational aspirations wildland fire, urban fire, or cop was pretty much your best options. Luckily I learned a very specific skill that is taught nowhere and used to land a cush government job as a civilian. The bullet sponges (the majority) didn't.

Now we have a boat load of guys that played police in Iraq coming to do it here. It is what it is.

Cush government job. Good Christ. The fact those exist is fucking bullshit.

Cush jobs exist in the private sector as well.

Do those also make you angry?

Not really since it's the business owner's choice to pay for it or not.

This is why the "government shutdown" of non essential employees was so awesome.

HTH.

Which is why I was exempt. Keep working, I'm slated for a 3% raise next year. Daddy needs to upgrade his already awesome Titleist blades.

3%. Wow. High fucking roller.

Must suck to be dependent on someone to give you a raise.

I will give you an out and assume that was a whoosh attempt.

dnc

MikeDamone said:

Mosster47 said:

MikeDamone said:

Baphomet said:

MikeDamone said:

Mosster47 said:

HFNY said:

This could be a result of the Iraq War...how many guys came back from that shit-show and became police officers?

This wasn't our fault. They knew they were going to Iraq years before they went. They took anyone that wanted in from 98-2002 and in 2005 after the president rented a flight suit and put "Mission Accomplished" on a carrier they wanted us the fuck gone.

I remember the first force shaping in the Air Force was slated for 250,000 people. The Air Force only has about 300k total right now. The Army and Marine cuts were much more severe. If you got in trouble you were gone or you could volunteer to just get out, or go into the Guard/Reserve. Almost all of us went into the Guard/Reserve but that wasn't paying any bills. A ton of us went to college on the Chapter 30 GI Bill, but that thing sucked balls.

You're four years removed from high school so everyone in your age bracket is either finishing or well ahead of you in college and you're at square zero with some experience no gives a fuck about because so did every other kid in that age group.

If you had no educational aspirations wildland fire, urban fire, or cop was pretty much your best options. Luckily I learned a very specific skill that is taught nowhere and used to land a cush government job as a civilian. The bullet sponges (the majority) didn't.

Now we have a boat load of guys that played police in Iraq coming to do it here. It is what it is.

Cush government job. Good Christ. The fact those exist is fucking bullshit.

Cush jobs exist in the private sector as well.

Do those also make you angry?

Not really since it's the business owner's choice to pay for it or not.

This is why the "government shutdown" of non essential employees was so awesome.

HTH.

Which is why I was exempt. Keep working, I'm slated for a 3% raise next year. Daddy needs to upgrade his already awesome Titleist blades.

3%. Wow. High fucking roller.

Must suck to be dependent on someone to give you a raise.

YRYK

Toilet sales are commission based

Baphomet

MikeDamone said:

Not really since it's the business owner's choice to pay for it or not.

The government has the choice as well. They don't have to hire people into cush jobs, but if the supply and demand for the skill warrants it... then so be it. Just like in the private sector.

Baphomet

RaceBannon said:

Baphomet said:

MikeDamone said:

Mosster47 said:

HFNY said:

This could be a result of the Iraq War...how many guys came back from that shit-show and became police officers?

This wasn't our fault. They knew they were going to Iraq years before they went. They took anyone that wanted in from 98-2002 and in 2005 after the president rented a flight suit and put "Mission Accomplished" on a carrier they wanted us the fuck gone.

I remember the first force shaping in the Air Force was slated for 250,000 people. The Air Force only has about 300k total right now. The Army and Marine cuts were much more severe. If you got in trouble you were gone or you could volunteer to just get out, or go into the Guard/Reserve. Almost all of us went into the Guard/Reserve but that wasn't paying any bills. A ton of us went to college on the Chapter 30 GI Bill, but that thing sucked balls.

You're four years removed from high school so everyone in your age bracket is either finishing or well ahead of you in college and you're at square zero with some experience no gives a fuck about because so did every other kid in that age group.

If you had no educational aspirations wildland fire, urban fire, or cop was pretty much your best options. Luckily I learned a very specific skill that is taught nowhere and used to land a cush government job as a civilian. The bullet sponges (the majority) didn't.

Now we have a boat load of guys that played police in Iraq coming to do it here. It is what it is.

Cush government job. Good Christ. The fact those exist is fucking bullshit.

Cush jobs exist in the private sector as well.

Do those also make you angry?

You sound defensive

How so?

MikeDamone

Baphomet said:

MikeDamone said:

Not really since it's the business owner's choice to pay for it or not.

The government has the choice as well. They don't have to hire people into cush jobs, but if the supply and demand for the skill warrants it... then so be it. Just like in the private sector.

Sure they have a choice. But don't give a fuck because it's not their money. Which leads them to make poor choices. And the supply of money to waste is endless. That's what lack of competition does to an organization. And that's why there are no natural monopolies.

MikeDamone

Baphomet said:

RaceBannon said:

Baphomet said:

MikeDamone said:

Mosster47 said:

HFNY said:

This could be a result of the Iraq War...how many guys came back from that shit-show and became police officers?

This wasn't our fault. They knew they were going to Iraq years before they went. They took anyone that wanted in from 98-2002 and in 2005 after the president rented a flight suit and put "Mission Accomplished" on a carrier they wanted us the fuck gone.

I remember the first force shaping in the Air Force was slated for 250,000 people. The Air Force only has about 300k total right now. The Army and Marine cuts were much more severe. If you got in trouble you were gone or you could volunteer to just get out, or go into the Guard/Reserve. Almost all of us went into the Guard/Reserve but that wasn't paying any bills. A ton of us went to college on the Chapter 30 GI Bill, but that thing sucked balls.

You're four years removed from high school so everyone in your age bracket is either finishing or well ahead of you in college and you're at square zero with some experience no gives a fuck about because so did every other kid in that age group.

If you had no educational aspirations wildland fire, urban fire, or cop was pretty much your best options. Luckily I learned a very specific skill that is taught nowhere and used to land a cush government job as a civilian. The bullet sponges (the majority) didn't.

Now we have a boat load of guys that played police in Iraq coming to do it here. It is what it is.

Cush government job. Good Christ. The fact those exist is fucking bullshit.

Cush jobs exist in the private sector as well.

Do those also make you angry?

You sound defensive

How so?

Baphomet said:

RaceBannon said:

Baphomet said:

MikeDamone said:

Mosster47 said:

HFNY said:

This could be a result of the Iraq War...how many guys came back from that shit-show and became police officers?

This wasn't our fault. They knew they were going to Iraq years before they went. They took anyone that wanted in from 98-2002 and in 2005 after the president rented a flight suit and put "Mission Accomplished" on a carrier they wanted us the fuck gone.

I remember the first force shaping in the Air Force was slated for 250,000 people. The Air Force only has about 300k total right now. The Army and Marine cuts were much more severe. If you got in trouble you were gone or you could volunteer to just get out, or go into the Guard/Reserve. Almost all of us went into the Guard/Reserve but that wasn't paying any bills. A ton of us went to college on the Chapter 30 GI Bill, but that thing sucked balls.

You're four years removed from high school so everyone in your age bracket is either finishing or well ahead of you in college and you're at square zero with some experience no gives a fuck about because so did every other kid in that age group.

If you had no educational aspirations wildland fire, urban fire, or cop was pretty much your best options. Luckily I learned a very specific skill that is taught nowhere and used to land a cush government job as a civilian. The bullet sponges (the majority) didn't.

Now we have a boat load of guys that played police in Iraq coming to do it here. It is what it is.

Cush government job. Good Christ. The fact those exist is fucking bullshit.

Cush jobs exist in the private sector as well.

Do those also make you angry?

You sound defensive

How so?

Because you used a logical fallacy to argue your position. That's how so.

Baphomet

MikeDamone said:

Baphomet said:

MikeDamone said:

Not really since it's the business owner's choice to pay for it or not.

The government has the choice as well. They don't have to hire people into cush jobs, but if the supply and demand for the skill warrants it... then so be it. Just like in the private sector.

Sure they have a choice. But don't give a fuck because it's not their money. Which leads them to make poor choices. And the supply of money to waste is endless. That's what lack of competition does to an organization. And that's why there are no natural monopolies.

Sounds a lot like Microsoft when I was there from 98 to 2005. Lots of money to waste, lots of senior managers that had no idea what was happening in their organizations, and a lot of people with cush jobs just putting in their time waiting for their stock options to reach maturity. It wasn't the "owners" choice that it be like that... but the company was so large by then that the owners had no clue.

Oh, and this was because Microsoft had a natural monopoly at the time in operating systems and office productivity suites.

Natural monopolies might not last a long time, but they do come and go in or economy.

And waste and cush jobs can happen in any organization... private or public. From folks I know that had career's at Boeing... it was the same story there.

Before my time at Microsoft, I did a stint as a software developer in Olympia on a licensing system. Some of the hardest working folks I ever worked with.

Your generalizations need to be rethought.

Baphomet

MikeDamone said:

Baphomet said:

RaceBannon said:

Baphomet said:

MikeDamone said:

Mosster47 said:

HFNY said:

This could be a result of the Iraq War...how many guys came back from that shit-show and became police officers?

This wasn't our fault. They knew they were going to Iraq years before they went. They took anyone that wanted in from 98-2002 and in 2005 after the president rented a flight suit and put "Mission Accomplished" on a carrier they wanted us the fuck gone.

I remember the first force shaping in the Air Force was slated for 250,000 people. The Air Force only has about 300k total right now. The Army and Marine cuts were much more severe. If you got in trouble you were gone or you could volunteer to just get out, or go into the Guard/Reserve. Almost all of us went into the Guard/Reserve but that wasn't paying any bills. A ton of us went to college on the Chapter 30 GI Bill, but that thing sucked balls.

You're four years removed from high school so everyone in your age bracket is either finishing or well ahead of you in college and you're at square zero with some experience no gives a fuck about because so did every other kid in that age group.

If you had no educational aspirations wildland fire, urban fire, or cop was pretty much your best options. Luckily I learned a very specific skill that is taught nowhere and used to land a cush government job as a civilian. The bullet sponges (the majority) didn't.

Now we have a boat load of guys that played police in Iraq coming to do it here. It is what it is.

Cush government job. Good Christ. The fact those exist is fucking bullshit.

Cush jobs exist in the private sector as well.

Do those also make you angry?

You sound defensive

How so?

Baphomet said:

RaceBannon said:

Baphomet said:

MikeDamone said:

Mosster47 said:

HFNY said:

This could be a result of the Iraq War...how many guys came back from that shit-show and became police officers?

This wasn't our fault. They knew they were going to Iraq years before they went. They took anyone that wanted in from 98-2002 and in 2005 after the president rented a flight suit and put "Mission Accomplished" on a carrier they wanted us the fuck gone.

I remember the first force shaping in the Air Force was slated for 250,000 people. The Air Force only has about 300k total right now. The Army and Marine cuts were much more severe. If you got in trouble you were gone or you could volunteer to just get out, or go into the Guard/Reserve. Almost all of us went into the Guard/Reserve but that wasn't paying any bills. A ton of us went to college on the Chapter 30 GI Bill, but that thing sucked balls.

You're four years removed from high school so everyone in your age bracket is either finishing or well ahead of you in college and you're at square zero with some experience no gives a fuck about because so did every other kid in that age group.

If you had no educational aspirations wildland fire, urban fire, or cop was pretty much your best options. Luckily I learned a very specific skill that is taught nowhere and used to land a cush government job as a civilian. The bullet sponges (the majority) didn't.

Now we have a boat load of guys that played police in Iraq coming to do it here. It is what it is.

Cush government job. Good Christ. The fact those exist is fucking bullshit.

Cush jobs exist in the private sector as well.

Do those also make you angry?

You sound defensive

How so?

Because you used a logical fallacy to argue your position. That's how so.

You don't really know what a logical fallacy is, do you?

EsophagealFeces

You guys are all being kind of phallusy

RaceBannon

Baphomet said:

RaceBannon said:

Baphomet said:

MikeDamone said:

Mosster47 said:

HFNY said:

This could be a result of the Iraq War...how many guys came back from that shit-show and became police officers?

This wasn't our fault. They knew they were going to Iraq years before they went. They took anyone that wanted in from 98-2002 and in 2005 after the president rented a flight suit and put "Mission Accomplished" on a carrier they wanted us the fuck gone.

I remember the first force shaping in the Air Force was slated for 250,000 people. The Air Force only has about 300k total right now. The Army and Marine cuts were much more severe. If you got in trouble you were gone or you could volunteer to just get out, or go into the Guard/Reserve. Almost all of us went into the Guard/Reserve but that wasn't paying any bills. A ton of us went to college on the Chapter 30 GI Bill, but that thing sucked balls.

You're four years removed from high school so everyone in your age bracket is either finishing or well ahead of you in college and you're at square zero with some experience no gives a fuck about because so did every other kid in that age group.

If you had no educational aspirations wildland fire, urban fire, or cop was pretty much your best options. Luckily I learned a very specific skill that is taught nowhere and used to land a cush government job as a civilian. The bullet sponges (the majority) didn't.

Now we have a boat load of guys that played police in Iraq coming to do it here. It is what it is.

Cush government job. Good Christ. The fact those exist is fucking bullshit.

Cush jobs exist in the private sector as well.

Do those also make you angry?

You sound defensive

How so?

You still sound defensive

Baphomet

RaceBannon said:

Baphomet said:

RaceBannon said:

Baphomet said:

MikeDamone said:

Mosster47 said:

HFNY said:

This could be a result of the Iraq War...how many guys came back from that shit-show and became police officers?

This wasn't our fault. They knew they were going to Iraq years before they went. They took anyone that wanted in from 98-2002 and in 2005 after the president rented a flight suit and put "Mission Accomplished" on a carrier they wanted us the fuck gone.

I remember the first force shaping in the Air Force was slated for 250,000 people. The Air Force only has about 300k total right now. The Army and Marine cuts were much more severe. If you got in trouble you were gone or you could volunteer to just get out, or go into the Guard/Reserve. Almost all of us went into the Guard/Reserve but that wasn't paying any bills. A ton of us went to college on the Chapter 30 GI Bill, but that thing sucked balls.

You're four years removed from high school so everyone in your age bracket is either finishing or well ahead of you in college and you're at square zero with some experience no gives a fuck about because so did every other kid in that age group.

If you had no educational aspirations wildland fire, urban fire, or cop was pretty much your best options. Luckily I learned a very specific skill that is taught nowhere and used to land a cush government job as a civilian. The bullet sponges (the majority) didn't.

Now we have a boat load of guys that played police in Iraq coming to do it here. It is what it is.

Cush government job. Good Christ. The fact those exist is fucking bullshit.

Cush jobs exist in the private sector as well.

Do those also make you angry?

You sound defensive

How so?

You still sound defensive

How so?