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If NOGAF About Stealing Signs…and we? now have NIL…

Doog_de_JourDoog_de_Jour Member Posts: 8,031 Standard Supporter
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…what in your mind should be enforced in college athletics?
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  • dirtysouwfdawgdirtysouwfdawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 13,098 Swaye's Wigwam
    RaceBannon said:



    I prefer under the table illusion of purity but it is what it is

    Even @GrandpaSankey can see the purity has been fucked out of this one a long time ago.
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  • ntxduckntxduck Member Posts: 5,723
    Doog_de_Jour said:

    …what in your mind should be enforced in college athletics?

    Outside of mgoblog, who thinks what Michigan did isn’t a big deal/won’t be enforced?
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  • ntxduckntxduck Member Posts: 5,723
    RaceBannon said:

    ntxduck said:

    Doog_de_Jour said:

    …what in your mind should be enforced in college athletics?

    Outside of mgoblog, who thinks what Michigan did isn’t a big deal/won’t be enforced?
    Me
    At minimum they’re going to lose their coach over this
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  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,968 Founders Club
    ntxduck said:

    RaceBannon said:

    ntxduck said:

    Doog_de_Jour said:

    …what in your mind should be enforced in college athletics?

    Outside of mgoblog, who thinks what Michigan did isn’t a big deal/won’t be enforced?
    Me
    At minimum they’re going to lose their coach over this
    They might or he might bail. That would be dumb for Michigan to get rid of him


    Too many college football writers hate college football. That goes back decades

    Hi Art Theil!

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  • Doog_de_JourDoog_de_Jour Member Posts: 8,031 Standard Supporter
    ntxduck said:

    RaceBannon said:

    ntxduck said:

    Doog_de_Jour said:

    …what in your mind should be enforced in college athletics?

    Outside of mgoblog, who thinks what Michigan did isn’t a big deal/won’t be enforced?
    Me
    At minimum they’re going to lose their coach over this
    Possibly. It will be some hapless assistant or coordinator who did a backroom deal to take the fall for the boss with the understanding they’ll be “rewarded” for their sacrifice later with a plum coaching gig later someplace else.The big fish get to resign…again, with the assumption that someone else will set them up with another gig. NCAA gets their symbolic head to mount over their mantle and that will be the end of it.

    But my original question stands…what in your mind should still be enforced or would be so egregious that it would be worth REALLY taking action over?
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  • Doog_de_JourDoog_de_Jour Member Posts: 8,031 Standard Supporter
    Fishpo31 said:

    This is very similar to the Astros, IMO. "Everybody does it" gets you a little wiggle room, but it isn't a situation of "they didn't change their signs and we figured it out". "Everybody" didn't get caught flagrantly breaking a rule.

    They latched on to it, had success with it, and were not discreet to the point of arrogance, just like the Astros. Having spent many years in a dugout attempting to steal signs while preventing my signs from being stolen, I saw body language and reactions with the 2017 Astros that told me something was going on. You get a guy set up, throw a perfect pitch, and it gets hammered off the wall, or over it. See it once, you shake your head. See it twice, you start looking and listening, really hard.

    Jimbo Khakis crossed the line...combined with his other shit, he gone...

    I really don’t follow MLB that closely, but did the punishment the league brought down have any *real* lasting impact?

    And yeah, it’s not this one instance of cheating that bothers me about Michigan, it’s all the combined shit.

    Besides the obvious situations like the Sandusky scandal at Penn State, I don’t know what’s sanction worthy anymore either. But it should be *something*.
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  • ntxduckntxduck Member Posts: 5,723
    RaceBannon said:

    ntxduck said:

    RaceBannon said:

    ntxduck said:

    Doog_de_Jour said:

    …what in your mind should be enforced in college athletics?

    Outside of mgoblog, who thinks what Michigan did isn’t a big deal/won’t be enforced?
    Me
    At minimum they’re going to lose their coach over this
    They might or he might bail. That would be dumb for Michigan to get rid of him


    Too many college football writers hate college football. That goes back decades

    Hi Art Theil!

    He’s going to bail is what I was alluding to. Same result either way
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  • Fishpo31Fishpo31 Member Posts: 2,425
    edited October 2023
    Doog_de_Jour said:

    Fishpo31 said:

    This is very similar to the Astros, IMO. "Everybody does it" gets you a little wiggle room, but it isn't a situation of "they didn't change their signs and we figured it out". "Everybody" didn't get caught flagrantly breaking a rule.

    They latched on to it, had success with it, and were not discreet to the point of arrogance, just like the Astros. Having spent many years in a dugout attempting to steal signs while preventing my signs from being stolen, I saw body language and reactions with the 2017 Astros that told me something was going on. You get a guy set up, throw a perfect pitch, and it gets hammered off the wall, or over it. See it once, you shake your head. See it twice, you start looking and listening, really hard.

    Jimbo Khakis crossed the line...combined with his other shit, he gone...

    I really don’t follow MLB that closely, but did the punishment the league brought down have any *real* lasting impact?

    And yeah, it’s not this one instance of cheating that bothers me about Michigan, it’s all the combined shit.

    Besides the obvious situations like the Sandusky scandal at Penn State, I don’t know what’s sanction worthy anymore either. But it should be *something*.
    Good point...People got fired, and all MLB video rooms now are manned (or womanned) by MLB personnel, restricting access during games, in addition to relocating them away from the dugouts. No championship forfeited, no rings taken back...MLB had rules in place for electronic communication to and from the dugout, but did not anticipate anyone taking it this far. NCAA had the 'no-live scouting' rule on the books since 2013.

    EDIT: I think the "penalty" part of it will be what most consider minimal, with he goal being to prevent it by instituting rigid punishment going forward. They shouldn't punish the kids, but people gotta go...
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  • Bob_CBob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 10,586 Swaye's Wigwam
    ntxduck said:

    RaceBannon said:

    ntxduck said:

    RaceBannon said:

    ntxduck said:

    Doog_de_Jour said:

    …what in your mind should be enforced in college athletics?

    Outside of mgoblog, who thinks what Michigan did isn’t a big deal/won’t be enforced?
    Me
    At minimum they’re going to lose their coach over this
    They might or he might bail. That would be dumb for Michigan to get rid of him


    Too many college football writers hate college football. That goes back decades

    Hi Art Theil!

    He’s going to bail is what I was alluding to. Same result either way
    That's my opinion also. He'll coach through the end of the year and take the Bears job or something. That might've happened before all of this too.

    These kinds of stories always end up getting worse as time goes on.
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  • ntxduckntxduck Member Posts: 5,723
    Fishpo31 said:

    This is very similar to the Astros, IMO. "Everybody does it" gets you a little wiggle room, but it isn't a situation of "they didn't change their signs and we figured it out". "Everybody" didn't get caught flagrantly breaking a rule.

    They latched on to it, had success with it, and were not discreet to the point of arrogance, just like the Astros. Having spent many years in a dugout attempting to steal signs while preventing my signs from being stolen, I saw body language and reactions with the 2017 Astros that told me something was going on. You get a guy set up, throw a perfect pitch, and it gets hammered off the wall, or over it. See it once, you shake your head. See it twice, you start looking and listening, really hard.

    Jimbo Khakis crossed the line...combined with his other shit, he gone...

    Everyone does do it, legally. In-game and from what they can pick up off film. Like you said, like the Astros, UM pushed the envelope way too hard into territory no one else does.

    I think Jim took the forced paycut really hard to his massive ego, and went full nick nolte in blue chips
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