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Doog_de_Jour
Doog_de_Jour Member Posts: 8,041 Standard Supporter
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…what in your mind should be enforced in college athletics?
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  • dirtysouwfdawg
    dirtysouwfdawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 14,144 Swaye's Wigwam
    RaceBannon said:



    I prefer under the table illusion of purity but it is what it is

    Even @GrandpaSankey can see the purity has been fucked out of this one a long time ago.
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  • ntxduck
    ntxduck Member Posts: 6,145
    Doog_de_Jour said:

    …what in your mind should be enforced in college athletics?

    Outside of mgoblog, who thinks what Michigan did isn’t a big deal/won’t be enforced?
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  • ntxduck
    ntxduck Member Posts: 6,145
    RaceBannon said:

    ntxduck said:

    Doog_de_Jour said:

    …what in your mind should be enforced in college athletics?

    Outside of mgoblog, who thinks what Michigan did isn’t a big deal/won’t be enforced?
    Me
    At minimum they’re going to lose their coach over this
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,188 Founders Club
    ntxduck said:

    RaceBannon said:

    ntxduck said:

    Doog_de_Jour said:

    …what in your mind should be enforced in college athletics?

    Outside of mgoblog, who thinks what Michigan did isn’t a big deal/won’t be enforced?
    Me
    At minimum they’re going to lose their coach over this
    They might or he might bail. That would be dumb for Michigan to get rid of him


    Too many college football writers hate college football. That goes back decades

    Hi Art Theil!

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  • Doog_de_Jour
    Doog_de_Jour Member Posts: 8,041 Standard Supporter
    ntxduck said:

    RaceBannon said:

    ntxduck said:

    Doog_de_Jour said:

    …what in your mind should be enforced in college athletics?

    Outside of mgoblog, who thinks what Michigan did isn’t a big deal/won’t be enforced?
    Me
    At minimum they’re going to lose their coach over this
    Possibly. It will be some hapless assistant or coordinator who did a backroom deal to take the fall for the boss with the understanding they’ll be “rewarded” for their sacrifice later with a plum coaching gig later someplace else.The big fish get to resign…again, with the assumption that someone else will set them up with another gig. NCAA gets their symbolic head to mount over their mantle and that will be the end of it.

    But my original question stands…what in your mind should still be enforced or would be so egregious that it would be worth REALLY taking action over?
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  • Doog_de_Jour
    Doog_de_Jour Member Posts: 8,041 Standard Supporter
    Fishpo31 said:

    This is very similar to the Astros, IMO. "Everybody does it" gets you a little wiggle room, but it isn't a situation of "they didn't change their signs and we figured it out". "Everybody" didn't get caught flagrantly breaking a rule.

    They latched on to it, had success with it, and were not discreet to the point of arrogance, just like the Astros. Having spent many years in a dugout attempting to steal signs while preventing my signs from being stolen, I saw body language and reactions with the 2017 Astros that told me something was going on. You get a guy set up, throw a perfect pitch, and it gets hammered off the wall, or over it. See it once, you shake your head. See it twice, you start looking and listening, really hard.

    Jimbo Khakis crossed the line...combined with his other shit, he gone...

    I really don’t follow MLB that closely, but did the punishment the league brought down have any *real* lasting impact?

    And yeah, it’s not this one instance of cheating that bothers me about Michigan, it’s all the combined shit.

    Besides the obvious situations like the Sandusky scandal at Penn State, I don’t know what’s sanction worthy anymore either. But it should be *something*.
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  • ntxduck
    ntxduck Member Posts: 6,145
    RaceBannon said:

    ntxduck said:

    RaceBannon said:

    ntxduck said:

    Doog_de_Jour said:

    …what in your mind should be enforced in college athletics?

    Outside of mgoblog, who thinks what Michigan did isn’t a big deal/won’t be enforced?
    Me
    At minimum they’re going to lose their coach over this
    They might or he might bail. That would be dumb for Michigan to get rid of him


    Too many college football writers hate college football. That goes back decades

    Hi Art Theil!

    He’s going to bail is what I was alluding to. Same result either way
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  • Fishpo31
    Fishpo31 Member Posts: 2,642
    edited October 2023
    Doog_de_Jour said:

    Fishpo31 said:

    This is very similar to the Astros, IMO. "Everybody does it" gets you a little wiggle room, but it isn't a situation of "they didn't change their signs and we figured it out". "Everybody" didn't get caught flagrantly breaking a rule.

    They latched on to it, had success with it, and were not discreet to the point of arrogance, just like the Astros. Having spent many years in a dugout attempting to steal signs while preventing my signs from being stolen, I saw body language and reactions with the 2017 Astros that told me something was going on. You get a guy set up, throw a perfect pitch, and it gets hammered off the wall, or over it. See it once, you shake your head. See it twice, you start looking and listening, really hard.

    Jimbo Khakis crossed the line...combined with his other shit, he gone...

    I really don’t follow MLB that closely, but did the punishment the league brought down have any *real* lasting impact?

    And yeah, it’s not this one instance of cheating that bothers me about Michigan, it’s all the combined shit.

    Besides the obvious situations like the Sandusky scandal at Penn State, I don’t know what’s sanction worthy anymore either. But it should be *something*.
    Good point...People got fired, and all MLB video rooms now are manned (or womanned) by MLB personnel, restricting access during games, in addition to relocating them away from the dugouts. No championship forfeited, no rings taken back...MLB had rules in place for electronic communication to and from the dugout, but did not anticipate anyone taking it this far. NCAA had the 'no-live scouting' rule on the books since 2013.

    EDIT: I think the "penalty" part of it will be what most consider minimal, with he goal being to prevent it by instituting rigid punishment going forward. They shouldn't punish the kids, but people gotta go...
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  • Bob_C
    Bob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,758 Founders Club
    ntxduck said:

    RaceBannon said:

    ntxduck said:

    RaceBannon said:

    ntxduck said:

    Doog_de_Jour said:

    …what in your mind should be enforced in college athletics?

    Outside of mgoblog, who thinks what Michigan did isn’t a big deal/won’t be enforced?
    Me
    At minimum they’re going to lose their coach over this
    They might or he might bail. That would be dumb for Michigan to get rid of him


    Too many college football writers hate college football. That goes back decades

    Hi Art Theil!

    He’s going to bail is what I was alluding to. Same result either way
    That's my opinion also. He'll coach through the end of the year and take the Bears job or something. That might've happened before all of this too.

    These kinds of stories always end up getting worse as time goes on.
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  • ntxduck
    ntxduck Member Posts: 6,145
    Fishpo31 said:

    This is very similar to the Astros, IMO. "Everybody does it" gets you a little wiggle room, but it isn't a situation of "they didn't change their signs and we figured it out". "Everybody" didn't get caught flagrantly breaking a rule.

    They latched on to it, had success with it, and were not discreet to the point of arrogance, just like the Astros. Having spent many years in a dugout attempting to steal signs while preventing my signs from being stolen, I saw body language and reactions with the 2017 Astros that told me something was going on. You get a guy set up, throw a perfect pitch, and it gets hammered off the wall, or over it. See it once, you shake your head. See it twice, you start looking and listening, really hard.

    Jimbo Khakis crossed the line...combined with his other shit, he gone...

    Everyone does do it, legally. In-game and from what they can pick up off film. Like you said, like the Astros, UM pushed the envelope way too hard into territory no one else does.

    I think Jim took the forced paycut really hard to his massive ego, and went full nick nolte in blue chips
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  • dirtysouwfdawg
    dirtysouwfdawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 14,144 Swaye's Wigwam
    Fishpo31 said:

    This is very similar to the Astros, IMO. "Everybody does it" gets you a little wiggle room, but it isn't a situation of "they didn't change their signs and we figured it out". "Everybody" didn't get caught flagrantly breaking a rule.

    They latched on to it, had success with it, and were not discreet to the point of arrogance, just like the Astros. Having spent many years in a dugout attempting to steal signs while preventing my signs from being stolen, I saw body language and reactions with the 2017 Astros that told me something was going on. You get a guy set up, throw a perfect pitch, and it gets hammered off the wall, or over it. See it once, you shake your head. See it twice, you start looking and listening, really hard.

    Jimbo Khakis crossed the line...combined with his other shit, he gone...

    Rumor is Courtney caught wind and decided it was time to find a coach with good old fashioned values. An honest, lunch pail type guy.
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  • Doog_de_Jour
    Doog_de_Jour Member Posts: 8,041 Standard Supporter
    edited October 2023
    RaceBannon said:

    If only political reporters were as dogged as college football writers. Regardless of your persuasion in politics its striking at how fast and deep people are digging into this. They have photos of the guy going back years

    Heh. Good point. The era of Woodward and Bernstein is over. But that’s true of a lot of things this day and age. Our nation’s best and brightest could’ve probably gotten us? to Mars by now but they were too busy with cryptocurrency and developing some useless app for our smartphones. (I know, take it to the Tug.)

    In the age of social media and camera phones (which is where a lot of the evidence against this Michigan guy came from) I really don’t know how anyone can expect to get away with anything.
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  • RTD
    RTD Member Posts: 837
    Bob_C said:

    ntxduck said:

    RaceBannon said:

    ntxduck said:

    RaceBannon said:

    ntxduck said:

    Doog_de_Jour said:

    …what in your mind should be enforced in college athletics?

    Outside of mgoblog, who thinks what Michigan did isn’t a big deal/won’t be enforced?
    Me
    At minimum they’re going to lose their coach over this
    They might or he might bail. That would be dumb for Michigan to get rid of him


    Too many college football writers hate college football. That goes back decades

    Hi Art Theil!

    He’s going to bail is what I was alluding to. Same result either way
    That's my opinion also. He'll coach through the end of the year and take the Bears job or something. That might've happened before all of this too.

    These kinds of stories always end up getting worse as time goes on.
    They're sign sign-stealing cheaters. I'm bringing a trash can and banging the shit out of it any time the Dawgs play them in the future. I might be the first person to bring a small metal trash can as my carry-on when I go to ann Arbor.

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  • FireCohen
    FireCohen Member Posts: 21,823
    Fucking refs shaving points. Definitely that pac-12 crew last weekend was betting the under on the points for the game.
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  • RTD
    RTD Member Posts: 837
    CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:

    RTD said:

    Bob_C said:

    ntxduck said:

    RaceBannon said:

    ntxduck said:

    RaceBannon said:

    ntxduck said:

    Doog_de_Jour said:

    …what in your mind should be enforced in college athletics?

    Outside of mgoblog, who thinks what Michigan did isn’t a big deal/won’t be enforced?
    Me
    At minimum they’re going to lose their coach over this
    They might or he might bail. That would be dumb for Michigan to get rid of him


    Too many college football writers hate college football. That goes back decades

    Hi Art Theil!

    He’s going to bail is what I was alluding to. Same result either way
    That's my opinion also. He'll coach through the end of the year and take the Bears job or something. That might've happened before all of this too.

    These kinds of stories always end up getting worse as time goes on.
    They're sign sign-stealing cheaters. I'm bringing a trash can and banging the shit out of it any time the Dawgs play them in the future. I might be the first person to bring a small metal trash can as my carry-on when I go to ann Arbor.

    I know you’re being sarcastic but I’m pretty sure you can purchase a metal trash can in Ann Arbor or really anywhere in Michigan.
    Thanks for talking me off the edge. All I saw was purple.
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  • Fire_Marshall_Bill
    Fire_Marshall_Bill Member Posts: 25,688 Standard Supporter
    edited October 2023
    dirtysouwfdawg said:

    RaceBannon said:



    I prefer under the table illusion of purity but it is what it is

    Even @GrandpaSankey can see the purity has been fucked out of this one a long time ago.
    I'm not sure it was ever there, but at least 15 or 20 years ago there were consequences. Call me a square, but there ought to be rules with some teeth. Otherwise it's just a corporate free for all with the SEC (up until this year maybe) just cheating and buying their way to the top. Hell, even ESPN cheats for them. It's one reason I've gradually tuned out anything but the Pac 12. The same thing happened with CBB around 2010 but for different reasons. We have the ridiculous situation of West Coast schools now being in Midwest and East Coast conferences. That's not college athletics. I don't get why people are giddy about it.
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