The narrative that Lanning cost Oregon the game is wrong. UW was just better.
Bull fucking shit.
Washington played better when it mattered, and as mediocre as Washington's defense appears to be, it is the toughest defense that Oregon has faced this year.
Lanning's biggest mistake was assuming that our defense was as bad as all of the other defenses that Oregon has faced this year.
Our defense shut down Oregon on their 3 failed fourth down conversions.
Meanwhile, Washington converted on 2 of their 3 fourth down attempts.
Period.
And while Washington has the toughest defense that Oregon has faced this year, Oregon is only the 2nd toughest defense that Washington has faced when you look at points scored. Arizona's defense was tougher.
We held Oregon to their season low of 33 points on Saturday.
Oregon didn't hold us to our season low, Arizona gets that honor.
The better team won on Saturday, and it wasn't due to Washington getting lucky that Lanning was a tard on a couple of plays.
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Fourth down conversions are the new third down conversions
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Thank you.
I can't believe how many UW fans have spent the last 3 days apologizing for the win, as if the UW took something that didn't belong to them.
Lanning is an idiot, but he's an idiot for making stupid decisions against a team that was BETTER than his team. You can get away with that stupid shit against Portland State, but those morons needed every point they could get against UW because the UW is better than them.
And even with Lanning's stupidity, his players still had a chance to execute, and they failed, repeatedly ... because the UW is better than them.
Do you remember when our #2 receiver got hurt and walked off the field and didn't play for the rest of the game? Or how about when our #4 receiver got hurt and didn't play for the rest of the game? Or seeing our best D-lineman play 1/2 the snaps he normally does? (Or when our #1 RB was lost before the season even started?). I'd venture a guess that losing those guys had just as much to do with the final score as any of Oregon's stupidity, and the UW still won.
I've actually read, countless times, about people having a new level of respect for Oregon after watching them play.
Really? What was it about Oregon that bolstered people's respect for them?
Their coach, who can't seem to get out of his own way?
The UW defense forcing Oregon to go 0 for 3 on 4th downs?
The UW offense, going deep to burn the Oregon defense for the game winning touchdown for the second year in a row?
Or was it Oregon's special teams, failing to execute when given a chance to tie the game?
Maybe it was watching a bunch of Oregon dudes wallow around on the turf like bitches faking injuries?
What combination of those factors made people have MORE respect for Oregon?
UW took that game from Oregon, said thank you very much, and then ushered them onto their bus so they could soak in their collective failures. That's what winners do. I wish we'd stop fucking apologizing for it.
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I haven't seen one single fan apologize for the win.
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Pretty sure it was a figure of speech.DerekJohnson said:I haven't seen one single fan apologize for the win.
But many folks have said we only won because Lanning fucked up.
Including some posters here.
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If Lanning punts with 2:00 left, UW probably loses. That doesn't mean Penix & Co. didn't take advantage to win.HairyBallsDawg said:
Pretty sure it was a figure of speech.DerekJohnson said:I haven't seen one single fan apologize for the win.
But many folks have said we only won because Lanning fucked up.
Including some posters here.
It's a loser narrative. -
HairyBallsDawg said:
Pretty sure it was a figure of speech.DerekJohnson said:I haven't seen one single fan apologize for the win.
But many folks have said we only won because Lanning fucked up.
Including some posters here.
It's a loser narrative.
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POTD.DHD said:Thank you.
I can't believe how many UW fans have spent the last 3 days apologizing for the win, as if the UW took something that didn't belong to them.
Lanning is an idiot, but he's an idiot for making stupid decisions against a team that was BETTER than his team. You can get away with that stupid shit against Portland State, but those morons needed every point they could get against UW because the UW is better than them.
And even with Lanning's stupidity, his players still had a chance to execute, and they failed, repeatedly ... because the UW is better than them.
Do you remember when our #2 receiver got hurt and walked off the field and didn't play for the rest of the game? Or how about when our #4 receiver got hurt and didn't play for the rest of the game? Or seeing our best D-lineman play 1/2 the snaps he normally does? (Or when our #1 RB was lost before the season even started?). I'd venture a guess that losing those guys had just as much to do with the final score as any of Oregon's stupidity, and the UW still won.
I've actually read, countless times, about people having a new level of respect for Oregon after watching them play.
Really? What was it about Oregon that bolstered people's respect for them?
Their coach, who can't seem to get out of his own way?
The UW defense forcing Oregon to go 0 for 3 on 4th downs?
The UW offense, going deep to burn the Oregon defense for the game winning touchdown for the second year in a row?
Or was it Oregon's special teams, failing to execute when given a chance to tie the game?
Maybe it was watching a bunch of Oregon dudes wallow around on the turf like bitches faking injuries?
What combination of those factors made people have MORE respect for Oregon?
UW took that game from Oregon, said thank you very much, and then ushered them onto their bus so they could soak in their collective failures. That's what winners do. I wish we'd stop fucking apologizing for it.
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And if Penix hadn't thrown his sole pick (caused by Odzune falling down) we probably win by more.DerekJohnson said:
If Lanning punts with 2:00 left, UW probably loses. That doesn't mean Penix & Co. didn't take advantage to win.HairyBallsDawg said:
Pretty sure it was a figure of speech.DerekJohnson said:I haven't seen one single fan apologize for the win.
But many folks have said we only won because Lanning fucked up.
Including some posters here.
It's a loser narrative.
We can play "what ifs" about multiple plays.
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Of course we can play what ifs about multiple plays. This is a fucking message board.HairyBallsDawg said:
And if Penix hadn't thrown his sole pick (caused by Odzune falling down) we probably win by more.DerekJohnson said:
If Lanning punts with 2:00 left, UW probably loses. That doesn't mean Penix & Co. didn't take advantage to win.HairyBallsDawg said:
Pretty sure it was a figure of speech.DerekJohnson said:I haven't seen one single fan apologize for the win.
But many folks have said we only won because Lanning fucked up.
Including some posters here.
It's a loser narrative.
We can play "what ifs" about multiple plays.
It's stupid to only apply "what ifs" to one side and assume the best outcome only for them. -
What if Lanning’s deal was he needed to fart on the ball before every Oregon possession and secretly that’s why they went with the speckled jersey’s?
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The team now famous for the 3 play 75 yard drive couldn't score in 2 minutes?DerekJohnson said:
If Lanning punts with 2:00 left, UW probably loses. That doesn't mean Penix & Co. didn't take advantage to win.HairyBallsDawg said:
Pretty sure it was a figure of speech.DerekJohnson said:I haven't seen one single fan apologize for the win.
But many folks have said we only won because Lanning fucked up.
Including some posters here.
It's a loser narrative.
Only Grubb can stop UW and he would not have
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I agree with Derek, Oregon wins with a punt.RaceBannon said:
The team now famous for the 3 play 75 yard drive couldn't score in 2 minutes?DerekJohnson said:
If Lanning punts with 2:00 left, UW probably loses. That doesn't mean Penix & Co. didn't take advantage to win.HairyBallsDawg said:
Pretty sure it was a figure of speech.DerekJohnson said:I haven't seen one single fan apologize for the win.
But many folks have said we only won because Lanning fucked up.
Including some posters here.
It's a loser narrative.
Only Grubb can stop UW and he would not have
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You're both wrongGrundleStiltzkin said:
I agree with Derek, Oregon wins with a punt.RaceBannon said:
The team now famous for the 3 play 75 yard drive couldn't score in 2 minutes?DerekJohnson said:
If Lanning punts with 2:00 left, UW probably loses. That doesn't mean Penix & Co. didn't take advantage to win.HairyBallsDawg said:
Pretty sure it was a figure of speech.DerekJohnson said:I haven't seen one single fan apologize for the win.
But many folks have said we only won because Lanning fucked up.
Including some posters here.
It's a loser narrative.
Only Grubb can stop UW and he would not have
Neither would Oregon
Hopefully the two of you get a chance to watch the Huskies play this year
2 plays from the 50. 3 from the 20
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Thankfully, we don't deal in hypotheticals out here.RaceBannon said:
You're both wrongGrundleStiltzkin said:
I agree with Derek, Oregon wins with a punt.RaceBannon said:
The team now famous for the 3 play 75 yard drive couldn't score in 2 minutes?DerekJohnson said:
If Lanning punts with 2:00 left, UW probably loses. That doesn't mean Penix & Co. didn't take advantage to win.HairyBallsDawg said:
Pretty sure it was a figure of speech.DerekJohnson said:I haven't seen one single fan apologize for the win.
But many folks have said we only won because Lanning fucked up.
Including some posters here.
It's a loser narrative.
Only Grubb can stop UW and he would not have
Neither would Oregon
Hopefully the two of you get a chance to watch the Huskies play this year
2 plays from the 50. 3 from the 20
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If you are going to play the hypothetical that "Dan Lanning makes no coaching mistakes," don't you also have to assume that Grubb and KDB make no play calling mistakes? We had two ridiculous 3 and outs in the 3rd quarter that allowed O back in the game. If we score on that first drive and go up 18 points, you could argue that it almost certainly takes away Oregon's running game and forces Oregon to become one dimensional. If Oregon's game at that point relies on Bo Nix being an elite downfield passer, I'll take those odds 100% of the time.
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Oregon abandoned the QB keepers and play action Nix run option because he would have taken hits and that they had zero chance if he wasn’t near 100%.
Oregon also had very little outside of the vertical passes to Franklin and Bucky runs. Intermediate passing game pretty non existent.
Dawgs knew what O was running in key moments and proved to be best team in those moments.
Has Grubb not tried to bury them on the back to back three and outs and mixed the run (which was working). I think they would have had a chance to score on one of the two possessions.
Dawgs stood up in the meaningful moments, had the better 3rd and 4th down offense and defense.
In a game where O had more yards and won the TO battle, Dawgs just a better team with winning mindset. Oh yeah and Penix is the GOAT. -
This.houseofpain247 said:If you are going to play the hypothetical that "Dan Lanning makes no coaching mistakes," don't you also have to assume that Grubb and KDB make no play calling mistakes? We had two ridiculous 3 and outs in the 3rd quarter that allowed O back in the game. If we score on that first drive and go up 18 points, you could argue that it almost certainly takes away Oregon's running game and forces Oregon to become one dimensional. If Oregon's game at that point relies on Bo Nix being an elite downfield passer, I'll take those odds 100% of the time.
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I could do another full podcast on this game because of all the things stated above. The narrative is we lucked out. Not that we were clutch when it mattered. Not that we played our C+ game and they played at minimum an A- game.
Media saying their team has the better roster too to bottom, yet can’t name anybody outside of the three players (Nix, Irving and Franklin) that make all their plays. UW line is better and I don’t think it’s close. Irving makes the plays for their fat unathletic line and they throw short quick passes so Nix doesn’t feel pressure.
Every one of their fourth downs is washed out by a Husky mistake. First one at the end of the half they got from an inexplicable pick that could be due to luck but since it’s Oregon it isn’t labeled that way. The second failed fourth down the Huskies squandered away possessions with two three and outs afterwards with questionable play calling. The last fourth down failure came from a Husky fourth down failure.
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Well we're shoulders deep in hypotheticals here. Oregon had all the momentum. Penix was in so much pain it altered Grubb's playcalling just moments earlier.RaceBannon said:
You're both wrongGrundleStiltzkin said:
I agree with Derek, Oregon wins with a punt.RaceBannon said:
The team now famous for the 3 play 75 yard drive couldn't score in 2 minutes?DerekJohnson said:
If Lanning punts with 2:00 left, UW probably loses. That doesn't mean Penix & Co. didn't take advantage to win.HairyBallsDawg said:
Pretty sure it was a figure of speech.DerekJohnson said:I haven't seen one single fan apologize for the win.
But many folks have said we only won because Lanning fucked up.
Including some posters here.
It's a loser narrative.
Only Grubb can stop UW and he would not have
Neither would Oregon
Hopefully the two of you get a chance to watch the Huskies play this year
2 plays from the 50. 3 from the 20
Same reason Carroll went for it at midfield against Texas. Vince Young was going to score regardless
Could I see Penix suddenly leading a 90-yard TD drive with either one or no times outs? Sure, off course. It's Penix. But the odds were still in Oregon's favor. It was colossally reckless of Lanning to do what he did. Especially given their subsequent play call. -
He made two great throws. Only would have needed one more
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I guess your argument boils down to whether we played a C+ game because of ourselves or because Oregon had something to do with it. I tend to think UW played their B game and Oregon brought their A game.JoeEDangerously said:I could do another full podcast on this game because of all the things stated above. The narrative is we lucked out. Not that we were clutch when it mattered. Not that we played our C+ game and they played at minimum an A- game.
Media saying their team has the better roster too to bottom, yet can’t name anybody outside of the three players (Nix, Irving and Franklin) that make all their plays. UW line is better and I don’t think it’s close. Irving makes the plays for their fat unathletic line and they throw short quick passes so Nix doesn’t feel pressure.
Every one of their fourth downs is washed out by a Husky mistake. First one at the end of the half they got from an inexplicable pick that could be due to luck but since it’s Oregon it isn’t labeled that way. The second failed fourth down the Huskies squandered away possessions with two three and outs afterwards with questionable play calling. The last fourth down failure came from a Husky fourth down failure.
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UW absolutely still wins in that situation. They weren't stopping Penix with the game on the line.DerekJohnson said:
If Lanning punts with 2:00 left, UW probably loses. That doesn't mean Penix & Co. didn't take advantage to win.HairyBallsDawg said:
Pretty sure it was a figure of speech.DerekJohnson said:I haven't seen one single fan apologize for the win.
But many folks have said we only won because Lanning fucked up.
Including some posters here.
It's a loser narrative.
Lanning made the right decision to go for it, he just made another FS play call when he did. -
Who is apologizing??DHD said:Thank you.
I can't believe how many UW fans have spent the last 3 days apologizing for the win, as if the UW took something that didn't belong to them.
Lanning is an idiot, but he's an idiot for making stupid decisions against a team that was BETTER than his team. You can get away with that stupid shit against Portland State, but those morons needed every point they could get against UW because the UW is better than them.
And even with Lanning's stupidity, his players still had a chance to execute, and they failed, repeatedly ... because the UW is better than them.
Do you remember when our #2 receiver got hurt and walked off the field and didn't play for the rest of the game? Or how about when our #4 receiver got hurt and didn't play for the rest of the game? Or seeing our best D-lineman play 1/2 the snaps he normally does? (Or when our #1 RB was lost before the season even started?). I'd venture a guess that losing those guys had just as much to do with the final score as any of Oregon's stupidity, and the UW still won.
I've actually read, countless times, about people having a new level of respect for Oregon after watching them play.
Really? What was it about Oregon that bolstered people's respect for them?
Their coach, who can't seem to get out of his own way?
The UW defense forcing Oregon to go 0 for 3 on 4th downs?
The UW offense, going deep to burn the Oregon defense for the game winning touchdown for the second year in a row?
Or was it Oregon's special teams, failing to execute when given a chance to tie the game?
Maybe it was watching a bunch of Oregon dudes wallow around on the turf like bitches faking injuries?
What combination of those factors made people have MORE respect for Oregon?
UW took that game from Oregon, said thank you very much, and then ushered them onto their bus so they could soak in their collective failures. That's what winners do. I wish we'd stop fucking apologizing for it.
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We will agree to disagreednc said:
UW absolutely still wins in that situation. They weren't stopping Penix with the game on the line.DerekJohnson said:
If Lanning punts with 2:00 left, UW probably loses. That doesn't mean Penix & Co. didn't take advantage to win.HairyBallsDawg said:
Pretty sure it was a figure of speech.DerekJohnson said:I haven't seen one single fan apologize for the win.
But many folks have said we only won because Lanning fucked up.
Including some posters here.
It's a loser narrative.
Lanning made the right decision to go for it, he just made another FS play call when he did. -
Isn't the point of your post the same exact thing that Doog employs currently any time the 2018 game comes up when trying rationalize the OT loss? You know, that if Pete had only been a bigger dick coach Washington wins in regulation? I mean, it's all fun and games, but the efforts to establish superiority as a fanbase is at times a little humorous.
Comparing plays and coaching decisions are slightly different things. And Penix's interception, as it turned out, meant nothing anyway because Oregon didn't capitalize. Lanning going for it rather than taking the points meant 3 pts, of course assuming the guy doesn't miss from 10 yards out, which is an assumption.
Also, PGOS just launched a thread the other day proudly asserting that Washington fans blame their coach and their players and their administration when Washington loses football games. Isn't that exactly what the Ducks are doing by calling their coach a dipshit? I mean, I know it's "bow down" around here, but don't hold your breath expecting anyone to actually do it.
The other thing to consider is that, if the "what if" game were to be ruled out of order here, half the site's traffic disappears.
Lastly, I've not read a serious post by anyone suggesting that UW was just lucky. In fact, I've read a ton of praise being heaped on Penix and the WRs, a ton of criticism about their coach and not a small amount of criticism of Nix. How much boot licking is required?
This seems to be an effort to find a problem that's not really there. -
I couldn't agree more. And that's some fine technically gifted writing, my cheapskate Latino barrister friend.creepycoug said:Isn't the point of your spin here the same exact thing that Doog nation employs currently any time the 2018 game comes up when trying rationalize the OT loss? You know, that if Pete had only been a bigger dick coach Washington wins in regulation? I mean, it's all fun and games, but the efforts to establish superiority as a fanbase is at times a little humorous. The word Doog didn't come out of nowhere.
Comparing plays and coaching decisions are slightly different things. And Penix's interception, as it turned out, meant nothing anyway because Oregon didn't capitalize. Lanning going for it rather than taking the points meant 3 pts, of course assuming the guy doesn't miss from 10 yards out, which is an assumption.
Also, PGOS just launched a thread the other day proudly asserting that Washington fans blame their coach and their players and their administration when Washington loses football games Isn't that effectively what the Ducks are doing by calling their coach a dipshit? I mean, I know it's "bow down" around here, but don't hold your breath expecting anyone to actually do it.
The other thing to consider is that, if the "what if" game were to be ruled out of order here, half the site's traffic disappears.
Lastly, I've not read a serious post by anyone suggesting that UW was just lucky. In fact, I've read a ton of praise being heaped on Penix and the WRs, a ton of criticism about their coach and not a small amount of criticism of Nix. How much boot licking is required?
This seems to be an effort to find a problem that's not really there. -
Disagreecreepycoug said:Isn't the point of your spin here the same exact thing that Doog nation employs currently any time the 2018 game comes up when trying rationalize the OT loss? You know, that if Pete had only been a bigger dick coach Washington wins in regulation? I mean, it's all fun and games, but the efforts to establish superiority as a fanbase is at times a little humorous. The word Doog didn't come out of nowhere.
Comparing plays and coaching decisions are slightly different things. And Penix's interception, as it turned out, meant nothing anyway because Oregon didn't capitalize. Lanning going for it rather than taking the points meant 3 pts, of course assuming the guy doesn't miss from 10 yards out, which is an assumption.
Also, PGOS just launched a thread the other day proudly asserting that Washington fans blame their coach and their players and their administration when Washington loses football games. Isn't that effectively what the Ducks are doing by calling their coach a dipshit? I mean, I know it's "bow down" around here, but don't hold your breath expecting anyone to actually do it.
The other thing to consider is that, if the "what if" game were to be ruled out of order here, half the site's traffic disappears.
Lastly, I've not read a serious post by anyone suggesting that UW was just lucky. In fact, I've read a ton of praise being heaped on Penix and the WRs, a ton of criticism about their coach and not a small amount of criticism of Nix. How much boot licking is required?
This seems to be an effort to find a problem that's not really there. -
I know. But let's turn lemons into lemonade. The other guy famous for inventing phony offenses and insults was Michael Jordan, and he was pretty good.RaceBannon said:
Disagreecreepycoug said:Isn't the point of your spin here the same exact thing that Doog nation employs currently any time the 2018 game comes up when trying rationalize the OT loss? You know, that if Pete had only been a bigger dick coach Washington wins in regulation? I mean, it's all fun and games, but the efforts to establish superiority as a fanbase is at times a little humorous. The word Doog didn't come out of nowhere.
Comparing plays and coaching decisions are slightly different things. And Penix's interception, as it turned out, meant nothing anyway because Oregon didn't capitalize. Lanning going for it rather than taking the points meant 3 pts, of course assuming the guy doesn't miss from 10 yards out, which is an assumption.
Also, PGOS just launched a thread the other day proudly asserting that Washington fans blame their coach and their players and their administration when Washington loses football games. Isn't that effectively what the Ducks are doing by calling their coach a dipshit? I mean, I know it's "bow down" around here, but don't hold your breath expecting anyone to actually do it.
The other thing to consider is that, if the "what if" game were to be ruled out of order here, half the site's traffic disappears.
Lastly, I've not read a serious post by anyone suggesting that UW was just lucky. In fact, I've read a ton of praise being heaped on Penix and the WRs, a ton of criticism about their coach and not a small amount of criticism of Nix. How much boot licking is required?
This seems to be an effort to find a problem that's not really there. -
Hard disagreeGrundleStiltzkin said:
I agree with Derek, Oregon wins with a punt.RaceBannon said:
The team now famous for the 3 play 75 yard drive couldn't score in 2 minutes?DerekJohnson said:
If Lanning punts with 2:00 left, UW probably loses. That doesn't mean Penix & Co. didn't take advantage to win.HairyBallsDawg said:
Pretty sure it was a figure of speech.DerekJohnson said:I haven't seen one single fan apologize for the win.
But many folks have said we only won because Lanning fucked up.
Including some posters here.
It's a loser narrative.
Only Grubb can stop UW and he would not have
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I'm still not talking to you over the TE thread.dnc said:
Hard disagreeGrundleStiltzkin said:
I agree with Derek, Oregon wins with a punt.RaceBannon said:
The team now famous for the 3 play 75 yard drive couldn't score in 2 minutes?DerekJohnson said:
If Lanning punts with 2:00 left, UW probably loses. That doesn't mean Penix & Co. didn't take advantage to win.HairyBallsDawg said:
Pretty sure it was a figure of speech.DerekJohnson said:I haven't seen one single fan apologize for the win.
But many folks have said we only won because Lanning fucked up.
Including some posters here.
It's a loser narrative.
Only Grubb can stop UW and he would not have
Neither would Oregon
