Let's look at the OOC schedules of teams that played the SEC in the title game. Shall we?
2013 FSU: @Pitt, Nevada, Bethune-Cookman, Florida (SEC teams don't play anyone, though) 2012 Notre Dame: Independent school. Argument isn't valid here. Definitely earned their spot, but got raped by Bama. 2011: The infamous all-SEC title game... Bama played at Penn St. and LSU beat Oregon OOC 2010 Oregon: New Mexico, @Tennessee (SEC teams don't play anyone, though), Portland St. 2009 Texas: Louisiana-Monroe, @Wyoming, UTEP, Central Florida 2008: Chattanooga, Cincinnati, UW (0-12 baby!!!), TCU 2007 Ohio St: Youngstown St. Akron, @Washington , Kent St. 2006 Ohio St: Northern Illinois, @Texas, Cincinnati, Bowling Green 2003 Oklahoma: North Texas, @Alabama (SEC teams don't play anyone, though), UCLA 1998 FSU: Texas A/M, USC, @Miami, Florida (one loss team, but also played the toughest schedule on this list)
As you can see, most of the teams that "earned" their trip to the title game versus SEC opponents played cupcake schedules OOC, save for 1998 FSU, 2003 Oklahoma, and Notre Dame in 2012.
You're wasting your time with PLSS and Bill. I laid out last years OOC schedules and showed that the SEC played as tough or tougher of a schedule as anyone. They'll just ignore facts.
PLSS I understand. I don't know why Bill is such a retard about it though.
That's one fucking year. You're completely missing the long term trend. This didn't start in 2012. Do I need to dredge out the OOC schedules from 2006, 2007, 2008 etc.? Like Puppy said, if every conference was treated equally every year, I wouldn't be bitching about it. That hasn't been the case though.
Hey dumbfuck... Are you gonna give the ACC shit? Oh wait, they aren't winning championships. So you can't really be jealous of them like the SEC.
All of the conferences have been doing it for a while, save for the Pac. We came on late.
I also find it interesting how the SEC played more power conference OOC opponents than the Big 12, Big 10 and Pac 12 over the period between 2007-2012.
FCS opponents ACC: 13 in 2012, 13 in 2011, 13 in 2010, 14 in 2009, 14 in 2008 and 7 in 2007, for a total of 74. SEC: 15 in 2012, 12 in 2011, 11 in 2010, 11 in 2009, 9 in 2008 and 9 in 2007, for a total of 67. Big Ten: 8 in 2012, 10 in 2011, 10 in 2010, 9 in 2009, 9 in 2008 and 8 in 2007, for a total of 54. Big 12: 9 in 2012, 6 in 2011, 8 in 2010, 9 in 2009, 10 in 2008 and 8 in 2007, for a total of 50. Big East: 9 in 2012, 8 in 2011, 8 in 2010, 9 in 2009, 7 in 2008 and 7 in 2007, for a total of 48. Pac-12: 9 in 2012, 8 in 2011, 7 in 2010, 4 in 2009, 2 in 2008 and 2 in 2007, for a total of 32. National totals: 63 in 2012, 57 in 2011, 57 in 2010, 56 in 2009, 51 in 2008 and 41 in 2007.
Big Six nonconference opponents ACC: 23 in 2012, 20 in 2011, 19 in 2010, 20 in 2009, 23 in 2008 and 22 in 2007, for a total of 127. Big East: 16 in 2012, 16 in 2011, 15 in 2010, 16 in 2009, 16 in 2008 and 15 in 2007, for a total of 94. SEC: 14 in 2012, 12 in 2011, 16 in 2010, 14 in 2009, 15 in 2008 and 14 in 2007, for a total of 85. Big Ten: 15 in 2012, 14 in 2011, 12 in 2010, 14 in 2009, 13 in 2008 and 13 in 2007, for a total of 81. Pac-12: 11 in 2012, 16 in 2011, 14 in 2010, 15 in 2009, 14 in 2008 and 11 in 2007, for a total of 81. Big 12: 9 in 2012, 9 in 2011, 12 in 2010, 11 in 2009, 15 in 2008 and 11 in 2007, for a total of 67. National totals: 88 in 2012, 87 in 2011, 88 in 2010, 90 in 2009, 96 in 2008 and 86 in 2007.
Let's look at the OOC schedules of teams that played the SEC in the title game. Shall we?
2013 FSU: @Pitt, Nevada, Bethune-Cookman, Florida (SEC teams don't play anyone, though) 2012 Notre Dame: Independent school. Argument isn't valid here. Definitely earned their spot, but got raped by Bama. 2011: The infamous all-SEC title game... Bama played at Penn St. and LSU beat Oregon OOC 2010 Oregon: New Mexico, @Tennessee (SEC teams don't play anyone, though), Portland St. 2009 Texas: Louisiana-Monroe, @Wyoming, UTEP, Central Florida 2008: Chattanooga, Cincinnati, UW (0-12 baby!!!), TCU 2007 Ohio St: Youngstown St. Akron, @Washington , Kent St. 2006 Ohio St: Northern Illinois, @Texas, Cincinnati, Bowling Green 2003 Oklahoma: North Texas, @Alabama (SEC teams don't play anyone, though), UCLA 1998 FSU: Texas A/M, USC, @Miami, Florida (one loss team, but also played the toughest schedule on this list)
As you can see, most of the teams that "earned" their trip to the title game versus SEC opponents played cupcake schedules OOC, save for 1998 FSU, 2003 Oklahoma, and Notre Dame in 2012.
You're wasting your time with PLSS and Bill. I laid out last years OOC schedules and showed that the SEC played as tough or tougher of a schedule as anyone. They'll just ignore facts.
PLSS I understand. I don't know why Bill is such a retard about it though.
That's one fucking year. You're completely missing the long term trend. This didn't start in 2012. Do I need to dredge out the OOC schedules from 2006, 2007, 2008 etc.? Like Puppy said, if every conference was treated equally every year, I wouldn't be bitching about it. That hasn't been the case though.
Hey dumbfuck... Are you gonna give the ACC shit? Oh wait, they aren't winning championships. So you can't really be jealous of them like the SEC.
All of the conferences have been doing it for a while, save for the Pac. We came on late.
I also find it interesting how the SEC played more power conference OOC opponents than the Big 12, Big 10 and Pac 12 over the period between 2007-2012.
FCS opponents ACC: 13 in 2012, 13 in 2011, 13 in 2010, 14 in 2009, 14 in 2008 and 7 in 2007, for a total of 74. SEC: 15 in 2012, 12 in 2011, 11 in 2010, 11 in 2009, 9 in 2008 and 9 in 2007, for a total of 67. Big Ten: 8 in 2012, 10 in 2011, 10 in 2010, 9 in 2009, 9 in 2008 and 8 in 2007, for a total of 54. Big 12: 9 in 2012, 6 in 2011, 8 in 2010, 9 in 2009, 10 in 2008 and 8 in 2007, for a total of 50. Big East: 9 in 2012, 8 in 2011, 8 in 2010, 9 in 2009, 7 in 2008 and 7 in 2007, for a total of 48. Pac-12: 9 in 2012, 8 in 2011, 7 in 2010, 4 in 2009, 2 in 2008 and 2 in 2007, for a total of 32. National totals: 63 in 2012, 57 in 2011, 57 in 2010, 56 in 2009, 51 in 2008 and 41 in 2007.
Big Six nonconference opponents ACC: 23 in 2012, 20 in 2011, 19 in 2010, 20 in 2009, 23 in 2008 and 22 in 2007, for a total of 127. Big East: 16 in 2012, 16 in 2011, 15 in 2010, 16 in 2009, 16 in 2008 and 15 in 2007, for a total of 94. SEC: 14 in 2012, 12 in 2011, 16 in 2010, 14 in 2009, 15 in 2008 and 14 in 2007, for a total of 85. Big Ten: 15 in 2012, 14 in 2011, 12 in 2010, 14 in 2009, 13 in 2008 and 13 in 2007, for a total of 81. Pac-12: 11 in 2012, 16 in 2011, 14 in 2010, 15 in 2009, 14 in 2008 and 11 in 2007, for a total of 81. Big 12: 9 in 2012, 9 in 2011, 12 in 2010, 11 in 2009, 15 in 2008 and 11 in 2007, for a total of 67. National totals: 88 in 2012, 87 in 2011, 88 in 2010, 90 in 2009, 96 in 2008 and 86 in 2007.
Yeah, they don't play anyone.
In defense of the SEC haters, this data actually helps their argument, at least vis a vis the Pac12. Yes, the Pac played four less power opponents in those six cumulative years, but that's out of a significantly smaller pool of non conference games. The SEC had two more teams than the Pac the majority of those seasons (all but one IIRC) and plays four non conference games versus the Pac's three. So if the SEC played 85 games in that period, that's roughly 1.07 power conference non conference games per team per season, or about 26.5% of their non conference games.
The Pac's 81 non conference games with power conference opponents, OTOH, breaks down to roughly 1.3 per team per season. And the 81 was out of roughly 246 non conference games, for a rate of 32.9% of their games with power conference foes.
Whereas I was inclined to agree with APAG and yourself before this debate, your numbers actually have me leaning slightly more towards Bill's way of thinking. Good research.
Not arguing about the SEC, but Missouri got to the SEC title game because they didn't play Alabama, LSU, or Auburn in the regular season. They also play in the SEC East which was shit last year. Florida and Georgia sucked. South Carolina was decent, but nothing special.
Is that an excuse? The SEC is the "best" conference in the land. Not just the SEC "west". Roadie, Mizzou came within a cunt hair from beating Auburn of the almighty "west". The same team WSU came within a cunt hair of beating at Jordan hare. Cough up that SEC semen roaddoogs.
Let's look at the OOC schedules of teams that played the SEC in the title game. Shall we?
2013 FSU: @Pitt, Nevada, Bethune-Cookman, Florida (SEC teams don't play anyone, though) 2012 Notre Dame: Independent school. Argument isn't valid here. Definitely earned their spot, but got raped by Bama. 2011: The infamous all-SEC title game... Bama played at Penn St. and LSU beat Oregon OOC 2010 Oregon: New Mexico, @Tennessee (SEC teams don't play anyone, though), Portland St. 2009 Texas: Louisiana-Monroe, @Wyoming, UTEP, Central Florida 2008: Chattanooga, Cincinnati, UW (0-12 baby!!!), TCU 2007 Ohio St: Youngstown St. Akron, @Washington , Kent St. 2006 Ohio St: Northern Illinois, @Texas, Cincinnati, Bowling Green 2003 Oklahoma: North Texas, @Alabama (SEC teams don't play anyone, though), UCLA 1998 FSU: Texas A/M, USC, @Miami, Florida (one loss team, but also played the toughest schedule on this list)
As you can see, most of the teams that "earned" their trip to the title game versus SEC opponents played cupcake schedules OOC, save for 1998 FSU, 2003 Oklahoma, and Notre Dame in 2012.
You're wasting your time with PLSS and Bill. I laid out last years OOC schedules and showed that the SEC played as tough or tougher of a schedule as anyone. They'll just ignore facts.
PLSS I understand. I don't know why Bill is such a retard about it though.
That's one fucking year. You're completely missing the long term trend. This didn't start in 2012. Do I need to dredge out the OOC schedules from 2006, 2007, 2008 etc.? Like Puppy said, if every conference was treated equally every year, I wouldn't be bitching about it. That hasn't been the case though.
Hey dumbfuck... Are you gonna give the ACC shit? Oh wait, they aren't winning championships. So you can't really be jealous of them like the SEC.
All of the conferences have been doing it for a while, save for the Pac. We came on late.
I also find it interesting how the SEC played more power conference OOC opponents than the Big 12, Big 10 and Pac 12 over the period between 2007-2012.
FCS opponents ACC: 13 in 2012, 13 in 2011, 13 in 2010, 14 in 2009, 14 in 2008 and 7 in 2007, for a total of 74. SEC: 15 in 2012, 12 in 2011, 11 in 2010, 11 in 2009, 9 in 2008 and 9 in 2007, for a total of 67. Big Ten: 8 in 2012, 10 in 2011, 10 in 2010, 9 in 2009, 9 in 2008 and 8 in 2007, for a total of 54. Big 12: 9 in 2012, 6 in 2011, 8 in 2010, 9 in 2009, 10 in 2008 and 8 in 2007, for a total of 50. Big East: 9 in 2012, 8 in 2011, 8 in 2010, 9 in 2009, 7 in 2008 and 7 in 2007, for a total of 48. Pac-12: 9 in 2012, 8 in 2011, 7 in 2010, 4 in 2009, 2 in 2008 and 2 in 2007, for a total of 32. National totals: 63 in 2012, 57 in 2011, 57 in 2010, 56 in 2009, 51 in 2008 and 41 in 2007.
Big Six nonconference opponents ACC: 23 in 2012, 20 in 2011, 19 in 2010, 20 in 2009, 23 in 2008 and 22 in 2007, for a total of 127. Big East: 16 in 2012, 16 in 2011, 15 in 2010, 16 in 2009, 16 in 2008 and 15 in 2007, for a total of 94. SEC: 14 in 2012, 12 in 2011, 16 in 2010, 14 in 2009, 15 in 2008 and 14 in 2007, for a total of 85. Big Ten: 15 in 2012, 14 in 2011, 12 in 2010, 14 in 2009, 13 in 2008 and 13 in 2007, for a total of 81. Pac-12: 11 in 2012, 16 in 2011, 14 in 2010, 15 in 2009, 14 in 2008 and 11 in 2007, for a total of 81. Big 12: 9 in 2012, 9 in 2011, 12 in 2010, 11 in 2009, 15 in 2008 and 11 in 2007, for a total of 67. National totals: 88 in 2012, 87 in 2011, 88 in 2010, 90 in 2009, 96 in 2008 and 86 in 2007.
Yeah, they don't play anyone.
In defense of the SEC haters, this data actually helps their argument, at least vis a vis the Pac12. Yes, the Pac played four less power opponents in those six cumulative years, but that's out of a significantly smaller pool of non conference games. The SEC had two more teams than the Pac the majority of those seasons (all but one IIRC) and plays four non conference games versus the Pac's three. So if the SEC played 85 games in that period, that's roughly 1.07 power conference non conference games per team per season, or about 26.5% of their non conference games.
The Pac's 81 non conference games with power conference opponents, OTOH, breaks down to roughly 1.3 per team per season. And the 81 was out of roughly 246 non conference games, for a rate of 32.9% of their games with power conference foes.
Whereas I was inclined to agree with APAG and yourself before this debate, your numbers actually have me leaning slightly more towards Bill's way of thinking. Good research.
Respond to my post regarding BCS records, and then pop off!
I'm not going to argue that the Pac doesn't schedule the toughest OOC schedules. All I'm saying, is that the SEC is not much different than the other power conferences.
Let's look at the OOC schedules of teams that played the SEC in the title game. Shall we?
2013 FSU: @Pitt, Nevada, Bethune-Cookman, Florida (SEC teams don't play anyone, though) 2012 Notre Dame: Independent school. Argument isn't valid here. Definitely earned their spot, but got raped by Bama. 2011: The infamous all-SEC title game... Bama played at Penn St. and LSU beat Oregon OOC 2010 Oregon: New Mexico, @Tennessee (SEC teams don't play anyone, though), Portland St. 2009 Texas: Louisiana-Monroe, @Wyoming, UTEP, Central Florida 2008: Chattanooga, Cincinnati, UW (0-12 baby!!!), TCU 2007 Ohio St: Youngstown St. Akron, @Washington , Kent St. 2006 Ohio St: Northern Illinois, @Texas, Cincinnati, Bowling Green 2003 Oklahoma: North Texas, @Alabama (SEC teams don't play anyone, though), UCLA 1998 FSU: Texas A/M, USC, @Miami, Florida (one loss team, but also played the toughest schedule on this list)
As you can see, most of the teams that "earned" their trip to the title game versus SEC opponents played cupcake schedules OOC, save for 1998 FSU, 2003 Oklahoma, and Notre Dame in 2012.
You're wasting your time with PLSS and Bill. I laid out last years OOC schedules and showed that the SEC played as tough or tougher of a schedule as anyone. They'll just ignore facts.
PLSS I understand. I don't know why Bill is such a retard about it though.
That's one fucking year. You're completely missing the long term trend. This didn't start in 2012. Do I need to dredge out the OOC schedules from 2006, 2007, 2008 etc.? Like Puppy said, if every conference was treated equally every year, I wouldn't be bitching about it. That hasn't been the case though.
Hey dumbfuck... Are you gonna give the ACC shit? Oh wait, they aren't winning championships. So you can't really be jealous of them like the SEC.
All of the conferences have been doing it for a while, save for the Pac. We came on late.
I also find it interesting how the SEC played more power conference OOC opponents than the Big 12, Big 10 and Pac 12 over the period between 2007-2012.
FCS opponents ACC: 13 in 2012, 13 in 2011, 13 in 2010, 14 in 2009, 14 in 2008 and 7 in 2007, for a total of 74. SEC: 15 in 2012, 12 in 2011, 11 in 2010, 11 in 2009, 9 in 2008 and 9 in 2007, for a total of 67. Big Ten: 8 in 2012, 10 in 2011, 10 in 2010, 9 in 2009, 9 in 2008 and 8 in 2007, for a total of 54. Big 12: 9 in 2012, 6 in 2011, 8 in 2010, 9 in 2009, 10 in 2008 and 8 in 2007, for a total of 50. Big East: 9 in 2012, 8 in 2011, 8 in 2010, 9 in 2009, 7 in 2008 and 7 in 2007, for a total of 48. Pac-12: 9 in 2012, 8 in 2011, 7 in 2010, 4 in 2009, 2 in 2008 and 2 in 2007, for a total of 32. National totals: 63 in 2012, 57 in 2011, 57 in 2010, 56 in 2009, 51 in 2008 and 41 in 2007.
Big Six nonconference opponents ACC: 23 in 2012, 20 in 2011, 19 in 2010, 20 in 2009, 23 in 2008 and 22 in 2007, for a total of 127. Big East: 16 in 2012, 16 in 2011, 15 in 2010, 16 in 2009, 16 in 2008 and 15 in 2007, for a total of 94. SEC: 14 in 2012, 12 in 2011, 16 in 2010, 14 in 2009, 15 in 2008 and 14 in 2007, for a total of 85. Big Ten: 15 in 2012, 14 in 2011, 12 in 2010, 14 in 2009, 13 in 2008 and 13 in 2007, for a total of 81. Pac-12: 11 in 2012, 16 in 2011, 14 in 2010, 15 in 2009, 14 in 2008 and 11 in 2007, for a total of 81. Big 12: 9 in 2012, 9 in 2011, 12 in 2010, 11 in 2009, 15 in 2008 and 11 in 2007, for a total of 67. National totals: 88 in 2012, 87 in 2011, 88 in 2010, 90 in 2009, 96 in 2008 and 86 in 2007.
Yeah, they don't play anyone.
LOL, you're ignoring the fact they have more teams and play more out of conference games. Try again.
Let's look at the OOC schedules of teams that played the SEC in the title game. Shall we?
2013 FSU: @Pitt, Nevada, Bethune-Cookman, Florida (SEC teams don't play anyone, though) 2012 Notre Dame: Independent school. Argument isn't valid here. Definitely earned their spot, but got raped by Bama. 2011: The infamous all-SEC title game... Bama played at Penn St. and LSU beat Oregon OOC 2010 Oregon: New Mexico, @Tennessee (SEC teams don't play anyone, though), Portland St. 2009 Texas: Louisiana-Monroe, @Wyoming, UTEP, Central Florida 2008: Chattanooga, Cincinnati, UW (0-12 baby!!!), TCU 2007 Ohio St: Youngstown St. Akron, @Washington , Kent St. 2006 Ohio St: Northern Illinois, @Texas, Cincinnati, Bowling Green 2003 Oklahoma: North Texas, @Alabama (SEC teams don't play anyone, though), UCLA 1998 FSU: Texas A/M, USC, @Miami, Florida (one loss team, but also played the toughest schedule on this list)
As you can see, most of the teams that "earned" their trip to the title game versus SEC opponents played cupcake schedules OOC, save for 1998 FSU, 2003 Oklahoma, and Notre Dame in 2012.
You're wasting your time with PLSS and Bill. I laid out last years OOC schedules and showed that the SEC played as tough or tougher of a schedule as anyone. They'll just ignore facts.
PLSS I understand. I don't know why Bill is such a retard about it though.
That's one fucking year. You're completely missing the long term trend. This didn't start in 2012. Do I need to dredge out the OOC schedules from 2006, 2007, 2008 etc.? Like Puppy said, if every conference was treated equally every year, I wouldn't be bitching about it. That hasn't been the case though.
Hey dumbfuck... Are you gonna give the ACC shit? Oh wait, they aren't winning championships. So you can't really be jealous of them like the SEC.
All of the conferences have been doing it for a while, save for the Pac. We came on late.
I also find it interesting how the SEC played more power conference OOC opponents than the Big 12, Big 10 and Pac 12 over the period between 2007-2012.
FCS opponents ACC: 13 in 2012, 13 in 2011, 13 in 2010, 14 in 2009, 14 in 2008 and 7 in 2007, for a total of 74. SEC: 15 in 2012, 12 in 2011, 11 in 2010, 11 in 2009, 9 in 2008 and 9 in 2007, for a total of 67. Big Ten: 8 in 2012, 10 in 2011, 10 in 2010, 9 in 2009, 9 in 2008 and 8 in 2007, for a total of 54. Big 12: 9 in 2012, 6 in 2011, 8 in 2010, 9 in 2009, 10 in 2008 and 8 in 2007, for a total of 50. Big East: 9 in 2012, 8 in 2011, 8 in 2010, 9 in 2009, 7 in 2008 and 7 in 2007, for a total of 48. Pac-12: 9 in 2012, 8 in 2011, 7 in 2010, 4 in 2009, 2 in 2008 and 2 in 2007, for a total of 32. National totals: 63 in 2012, 57 in 2011, 57 in 2010, 56 in 2009, 51 in 2008 and 41 in 2007.
Big Six nonconference opponents ACC: 23 in 2012, 20 in 2011, 19 in 2010, 20 in 2009, 23 in 2008 and 22 in 2007, for a total of 127. Big East: 16 in 2012, 16 in 2011, 15 in 2010, 16 in 2009, 16 in 2008 and 15 in 2007, for a total of 94. SEC: 14 in 2012, 12 in 2011, 16 in 2010, 14 in 2009, 15 in 2008 and 14 in 2007, for a total of 85. Big Ten: 15 in 2012, 14 in 2011, 12 in 2010, 14 in 2009, 13 in 2008 and 13 in 2007, for a total of 81. Pac-12: 11 in 2012, 16 in 2011, 14 in 2010, 15 in 2009, 14 in 2008 and 11 in 2007, for a total of 81. Big 12: 9 in 2012, 9 in 2011, 12 in 2010, 11 in 2009, 15 in 2008 and 11 in 2007, for a total of 67. National totals: 88 in 2012, 87 in 2011, 88 in 2010, 90 in 2009, 96 in 2008 and 86 in 2007.
Yeah, they don't play anyone.
In defense of the SEC haters, this data actually helps their argument, at least vis a vis the Pac12. Yes, the Pac played four less power opponents in those six cumulative years, but that's out of a significantly smaller pool of non conference games. The SEC had two more teams than the Pac the majority of those seasons (all but one IIRC) and plays four non conference games versus the Pac's three. So if the SEC played 85 games in that period, that's roughly 1.07 power conference non conference games per team per season, or about 26.5% of their non conference games.
The Pac's 81 non conference games with power conference opponents, OTOH, breaks down to roughly 1.3 per team per season. And the 81 was out of roughly 246 non conference games, for a rate of 32.9% of their games with power conference foes.
Whereas I was inclined to agree with APAG and yourself before this debate, your numbers actually have me leaning slightly more towards Bill's way of thinking. Good research.
Bill Has been following this since the mid 2000's and doesn't swallow whatever the media says.
Let's look at the OOC schedules of teams that played the SEC in the title game. Shall we?
2013 FSU: @Pitt, Nevada, Bethune-Cookman, Florida (SEC teams don't play anyone, though) 2012 Notre Dame: Independent school. Argument isn't valid here. Definitely earned their spot, but got raped by Bama. 2011: The infamous all-SEC title game... Bama played at Penn St. and LSU beat Oregon OOC 2010 Oregon: New Mexico, @Tennessee (SEC teams don't play anyone, though), Portland St. 2009 Texas: Louisiana-Monroe, @Wyoming, UTEP, Central Florida 2008: Chattanooga, Cincinnati, UW (0-12 baby!!!), TCU 2007 Ohio St: Youngstown St. Akron, @Washington , Kent St. 2006 Ohio St: Northern Illinois, @Texas, Cincinnati, Bowling Green 2003 Oklahoma: North Texas, @Alabama (SEC teams don't play anyone, though), UCLA 1998 FSU: Texas A/M, USC, @Miami, Florida (one loss team, but also played the toughest schedule on this list)
As you can see, most of the teams that "earned" their trip to the title game versus SEC opponents played cupcake schedules OOC, save for 1998 FSU, 2003 Oklahoma, and Notre Dame in 2012.
You're wasting your time with PLSS and Bill. I laid out last years OOC schedules and showed that the SEC played as tough or tougher of a schedule as anyone. They'll just ignore facts.
PLSS I understand. I don't know why Bill is such a retard about it though.
That's one fucking year. You're completely missing the long term trend. This didn't start in 2012. Do I need to dredge out the OOC schedules from 2006, 2007, 2008 etc.? Like Puppy said, if every conference was treated equally every year, I wouldn't be bitching about it. That hasn't been the case though.
Hey dumbfuck... Are you gonna give the ACC shit? Oh wait, they aren't winning championships. So you can't really be jealous of them like the SEC.
All of the conferences have been doing it for a while, save for the Pac. We came on late.
I also find it interesting how the SEC played more power conference OOC opponents than the Big 12, Big 10 and Pac 12 over the period between 2007-2012.
FCS opponents ACC: 13 in 2012, 13 in 2011, 13 in 2010, 14 in 2009, 14 in 2008 and 7 in 2007, for a total of 74. SEC: 15 in 2012, 12 in 2011, 11 in 2010, 11 in 2009, 9 in 2008 and 9 in 2007, for a total of 67. Big Ten: 8 in 2012, 10 in 2011, 10 in 2010, 9 in 2009, 9 in 2008 and 8 in 2007, for a total of 54. Big 12: 9 in 2012, 6 in 2011, 8 in 2010, 9 in 2009, 10 in 2008 and 8 in 2007, for a total of 50. Big East: 9 in 2012, 8 in 2011, 8 in 2010, 9 in 2009, 7 in 2008 and 7 in 2007, for a total of 48. Pac-12: 9 in 2012, 8 in 2011, 7 in 2010, 4 in 2009, 2 in 2008 and 2 in 2007, for a total of 32. National totals: 63 in 2012, 57 in 2011, 57 in 2010, 56 in 2009, 51 in 2008 and 41 in 2007.
Big Six nonconference opponents ACC: 23 in 2012, 20 in 2011, 19 in 2010, 20 in 2009, 23 in 2008 and 22 in 2007, for a total of 127. Big East: 16 in 2012, 16 in 2011, 15 in 2010, 16 in 2009, 16 in 2008 and 15 in 2007, for a total of 94. SEC: 14 in 2012, 12 in 2011, 16 in 2010, 14 in 2009, 15 in 2008 and 14 in 2007, for a total of 85. Big Ten: 15 in 2012, 14 in 2011, 12 in 2010, 14 in 2009, 13 in 2008 and 13 in 2007, for a total of 81. Pac-12: 11 in 2012, 16 in 2011, 14 in 2010, 15 in 2009, 14 in 2008 and 11 in 2007, for a total of 81. Big 12: 9 in 2012, 9 in 2011, 12 in 2010, 11 in 2009, 15 in 2008 and 11 in 2007, for a total of 67. National totals: 88 in 2012, 87 in 2011, 88 in 2010, 90 in 2009, 96 in 2008 and 86 in 2007.
Yeah, they don't play anyone.
LOL, you're ignoring the fact they have more teams and play more out of conference games. Try again.
You could make the same argument for the amount of FCS games they play. More OOC games means they play less FCS teams per school.
Fuck your tide, they have 12 returning starters, a 6-5 statue in Cocker who hasn't tickled a centers balls and everyone (ESPN, the owner of the college football ripoff) is projecting them #1. Don't let Georgia, SC or Auburn get in the way.
Nobody is getting out of the pac12 alive (Unless your Oregon with a Nike schedule). Someone will get out of the SEC undefeated because it's only 6-deep. Then a second SEC team will get in over a 1 - loss pac12 team because of the ESPN lobby. Just watch. Again, fuck your tide!
Fuck your tide, they have 12 returning starters, a 6-5 statue in Cocker who hasn't tickled a centers balls and everyone (ESPN, the owner of the college football ripoff) is projecting them #1. Don't let Georgia, SC or Auburn get in the way.
Nobody is getting out of the pac12 alive (Unless your Oregon with a Nike schedule). Someone will get out of the SEC undefeated because it's only 6-deep. Then a second SEC team will get in over a 1 - loss pac12 team because of the ESPN lobby. Just watch. Again, fuck your tide!
My Crimson Tide have 3 of the last 5 national championships. Doog.
Let's look at the OOC schedules of teams that played the SEC in the title game. Shall we?
2013 FSU: @Pitt, Nevada, Bethune-Cookman, Florida (SEC teams don't play anyone, though) 2012 Notre Dame: Independent school. Argument isn't valid here. Definitely earned their spot, but got raped by Bama. 2011: The infamous all-SEC title game... Bama played at Penn St. and LSU beat Oregon OOC 2010 Oregon: New Mexico, @Tennessee (SEC teams don't play anyone, though), Portland St. 2009 Texas: Louisiana-Monroe, @Wyoming, UTEP, Central Florida 2008: Chattanooga, Cincinnati, UW (0-12 baby!!!), TCU 2007 Ohio St: Youngstown St. Akron, @Washington , Kent St. 2006 Ohio St: Northern Illinois, @Texas, Cincinnati, Bowling Green 2003 Oklahoma: North Texas, @Alabama (SEC teams don't play anyone, though), UCLA 1998 FSU: Texas A/M, USC, @Miami, Florida (one loss team, but also played the toughest schedule on this list)
As you can see, most of the teams that "earned" their trip to the title game versus SEC opponents played cupcake schedules OOC, save for 1998 FSU, 2003 Oklahoma, and Notre Dame in 2012.
You're wasting your time with PLSS and Bill. I laid out last years OOC schedules and showed that the SEC played as tough or tougher of a schedule as anyone. They'll just ignore facts.
PLSS I understand. I don't know why Bill is such a retard about it though.
That's one fucking year. You're completely missing the long term trend. This didn't start in 2012. Do I need to dredge out the OOC schedules from 2006, 2007, 2008 etc.? Like Puppy said, if every conference was treated equally every year, I wouldn't be bitching about it. That hasn't been the case though.
Hey dumbfuck... Are you gonna give the ACC shit? Oh wait, they aren't winning championships. So you can't really be jealous of them like the SEC.
All of the conferences have been doing it for a while, save for the Pac. We came on late.
I also find it interesting how the SEC played more power conference OOC opponents than the Big 12, Big 10 and Pac 12 over the period between 2007-2012.
FCS opponents ACC: 13 in 2012, 13 in 2011, 13 in 2010, 14 in 2009, 14 in 2008 and 7 in 2007, for a total of 74. SEC: 15 in 2012, 12 in 2011, 11 in 2010, 11 in 2009, 9 in 2008 and 9 in 2007, for a total of 67. Big Ten: 8 in 2012, 10 in 2011, 10 in 2010, 9 in 2009, 9 in 2008 and 8 in 2007, for a total of 54. Big 12: 9 in 2012, 6 in 2011, 8 in 2010, 9 in 2009, 10 in 2008 and 8 in 2007, for a total of 50. Big East: 9 in 2012, 8 in 2011, 8 in 2010, 9 in 2009, 7 in 2008 and 7 in 2007, for a total of 48. Pac-12: 9 in 2012, 8 in 2011, 7 in 2010, 4 in 2009, 2 in 2008 and 2 in 2007, for a total of 32. National totals: 63 in 2012, 57 in 2011, 57 in 2010, 56 in 2009, 51 in 2008 and 41 in 2007.
Big Six nonconference opponents ACC: 23 in 2012, 20 in 2011, 19 in 2010, 20 in 2009, 23 in 2008 and 22 in 2007, for a total of 127. Big East: 16 in 2012, 16 in 2011, 15 in 2010, 16 in 2009, 16 in 2008 and 15 in 2007, for a total of 94. SEC: 14 in 2012, 12 in 2011, 16 in 2010, 14 in 2009, 15 in 2008 and 14 in 2007, for a total of 85. Big Ten: 15 in 2012, 14 in 2011, 12 in 2010, 14 in 2009, 13 in 2008 and 13 in 2007, for a total of 81. Pac-12: 11 in 2012, 16 in 2011, 14 in 2010, 15 in 2009, 14 in 2008 and 11 in 2007, for a total of 81. Big 12: 9 in 2012, 9 in 2011, 12 in 2010, 11 in 2009, 15 in 2008 and 11 in 2007, for a total of 67. National totals: 88 in 2012, 87 in 2011, 88 in 2010, 90 in 2009, 96 in 2008 and 86 in 2007.
Yeah, they don't play anyone.
In defense of the SEC haters, this data actually helps their argument, at least vis a vis the Pac12. Yes, the Pac played four less power opponents in those six cumulative years, but that's out of a significantly smaller pool of non conference games. The SEC had two more teams than the Pac the majority of those seasons (all but one IIRC) and plays four non conference games versus the Pac's three. So if the SEC played 85 games in that period, that's roughly 1.07 power conference non conference games per team per season, or about 26.5% of their non conference games.
The Pac's 81 non conference games with power conference opponents, OTOH, breaks down to roughly 1.3 per team per season. And the 81 was out of roughly 246 non conference games, for a rate of 32.9% of their games with power conference foes.
Whereas I was inclined to agree with APAG and yourself before this debate, your numbers actually have me leaning slightly more towards Bill's way of thinking. Good research.
Really the only question should be "do they play one good school ooc?". The ABC scheduling is nonsense. There's no real difference between scheduling an Indiana or a d-2, or whatever it's called now, school. If most teams, in most years, have a game scheduled with a team that is traditionally good then it's fine with me. The SEC does not shy away from playing one big time school ooc.
Let's look at the OOC schedules of teams that played the SEC in the title game. Shall we?
2013 FSU: @Pitt, Nevada, Bethune-Cookman, Florida (SEC teams don't play anyone, though) 2012 Notre Dame: Independent school. Argument isn't valid here. Definitely earned their spot, but got raped by Bama. 2011: The infamous all-SEC title game... Bama played at Penn St. and LSU beat Oregon OOC 2010 Oregon: New Mexico, @Tennessee (SEC teams don't play anyone, though), Portland St. 2009 Texas: Louisiana-Monroe, @Wyoming, UTEP, Central Florida 2008: Chattanooga, Cincinnati, UW (0-12 baby!!!), TCU 2007 Ohio St: Youngstown St. Akron, @Washington , Kent St. 2006 Ohio St: Northern Illinois, @Texas, Cincinnati, Bowling Green 2003 Oklahoma: North Texas, @Alabama (SEC teams don't play anyone, though), UCLA 1998 FSU: Texas A/M, USC, @Miami, Florida (one loss team, but also played the toughest schedule on this list)
As you can see, most of the teams that "earned" their trip to the title game versus SEC opponents played cupcake schedules OOC, save for 1998 FSU, 2003 Oklahoma, and Notre Dame in 2012.
You're wasting your time with PLSS and Bill. I laid out last years OOC schedules and showed that the SEC played as tough or tougher of a schedule as anyone. They'll just ignore facts.
PLSS I understand. I don't know why Bill is such a retard about it though.
That's one fucking year. You're completely missing the long term trend. This didn't start in 2012. Do I need to dredge out the OOC schedules from 2006, 2007, 2008 etc.? Like Puppy said, if every conference was treated equally every year, I wouldn't be bitching about it. That hasn't been the case though.
Hey dumbfuck... Are you gonna give the ACC shit? Oh wait, they aren't winning championships. So you can't really be jealous of them like the SEC.
All of the conferences have been doing it for a while, save for the Pac. We came on late.
I also find it interesting how the SEC played more power conference OOC opponents than the Big 12, Big 10 and Pac 12 over the period between 2007-2012.
FCS opponents ACC: 13 in 2012, 13 in 2011, 13 in 2010, 14 in 2009, 14 in 2008 and 7 in 2007, for a total of 74. SEC: 15 in 2012, 12 in 2011, 11 in 2010, 11 in 2009, 9 in 2008 and 9 in 2007, for a total of 67. Big Ten: 8 in 2012, 10 in 2011, 10 in 2010, 9 in 2009, 9 in 2008 and 8 in 2007, for a total of 54. Big 12: 9 in 2012, 6 in 2011, 8 in 2010, 9 in 2009, 10 in 2008 and 8 in 2007, for a total of 50. Big East: 9 in 2012, 8 in 2011, 8 in 2010, 9 in 2009, 7 in 2008 and 7 in 2007, for a total of 48. Pac-12: 9 in 2012, 8 in 2011, 7 in 2010, 4 in 2009, 2 in 2008 and 2 in 2007, for a total of 32. National totals: 63 in 2012, 57 in 2011, 57 in 2010, 56 in 2009, 51 in 2008 and 41 in 2007.
Big Six nonconference opponents ACC: 23 in 2012, 20 in 2011, 19 in 2010, 20 in 2009, 23 in 2008 and 22 in 2007, for a total of 127. Big East: 16 in 2012, 16 in 2011, 15 in 2010, 16 in 2009, 16 in 2008 and 15 in 2007, for a total of 94. SEC: 14 in 2012, 12 in 2011, 16 in 2010, 14 in 2009, 15 in 2008 and 14 in 2007, for a total of 85. Big Ten: 15 in 2012, 14 in 2011, 12 in 2010, 14 in 2009, 13 in 2008 and 13 in 2007, for a total of 81. Pac-12: 11 in 2012, 16 in 2011, 14 in 2010, 15 in 2009, 14 in 2008 and 11 in 2007, for a total of 81. Big 12: 9 in 2012, 9 in 2011, 12 in 2010, 11 in 2009, 15 in 2008 and 11 in 2007, for a total of 67. National totals: 88 in 2012, 87 in 2011, 88 in 2010, 90 in 2009, 96 in 2008 and 86 in 2007.
Yeah, they don't play anyone.
In defense of the SEC haters, this data actually helps their argument, at least vis a vis the Pac12. Yes, the Pac played four less power opponents in those six cumulative years, but that's out of a significantly smaller pool of non conference games. The SEC had two more teams than the Pac the majority of those seasons (all but one IIRC) and plays four non conference games versus the Pac's three. So if the SEC played 85 games in that period, that's roughly 1.07 power conference non conference games per team per season, or about 26.5% of their non conference games.
The Pac's 81 non conference games with power conference opponents, OTOH, breaks down to roughly 1.3 per team per season. And the 81 was out of roughly 246 non conference games, for a rate of 32.9% of their games with power conference foes.
Whereas I was inclined to agree with APAG and yourself before this debate, your numbers actually have me leaning slightly more towards Bill's way of thinking. Good research.
Really the only question should be "do they play one good school ooc?". The ABC scheduling is nonsense. There's no real difference between scheduling an Indiana or a d-2, or whatever it's called now, school. If most teams, in most years, have a game scheduled with a team that is traditionally good then it's fine with me. The SEC does not shy away from playing one big time school ooc.
Why is that the standard? IMO if you play four non conference games and two of them are against D/F level d-2 dreck, you should probably have two non conference games that you could potentially lose. That 4th non conference game is instead of a 9th conference game, and while not every conference game is against a top tier opponent there's always the potential of losing (as Harbaugh showed Pete Carroll or Ole Miss showed Tebow, etc).
Playing three non conference opponents that have no chance of beating you is not respectable scheduling IMO.
Let's look at the OOC schedules of teams that played the SEC in the title game. Shall we?
2013 FSU: @Pitt, Nevada, Bethune-Cookman, Florida (SEC teams don't play anyone, though) 2012 Notre Dame: Independent school. Argument isn't valid here. Definitely earned their spot, but got raped by Bama. 2011: The infamous all-SEC title game... Bama played at Penn St. and LSU beat Oregon OOC 2010 Oregon: New Mexico, @Tennessee (SEC teams don't play anyone, though), Portland St. 2009 Texas: Louisiana-Monroe, @Wyoming, UTEP, Central Florida 2008: Chattanooga, Cincinnati, UW (0-12 baby!!!), TCU 2007 Ohio St: Youngstown St. Akron, @Washington , Kent St. 2006 Ohio St: Northern Illinois, @Texas, Cincinnati, Bowling Green 2003 Oklahoma: North Texas, @Alabama (SEC teams don't play anyone, though), UCLA 1998 FSU: Texas A/M, USC, @Miami, Florida (one loss team, but also played the toughest schedule on this list)
As you can see, most of the teams that "earned" their trip to the title game versus SEC opponents played cupcake schedules OOC, save for 1998 FSU, 2003 Oklahoma, and Notre Dame in 2012.
You're wasting your time with PLSS and Bill. I laid out last years OOC schedules and showed that the SEC played as tough or tougher of a schedule as anyone. They'll just ignore facts.
PLSS I understand. I don't know why Bill is such a retard about it though.
That's one fucking year. You're completely missing the long term trend. This didn't start in 2012. Do I need to dredge out the OOC schedules from 2006, 2007, 2008 etc.? Like Puppy said, if every conference was treated equally every year, I wouldn't be bitching about it. That hasn't been the case though.
Hey dumbfuck... Are you gonna give the ACC shit? Oh wait, they aren't winning championships. So you can't really be jealous of them like the SEC.
All of the conferences have been doing it for a while, save for the Pac. We came on late.
I also find it interesting how the SEC played more power conference OOC opponents than the Big 12, Big 10 and Pac 12 over the period between 2007-2012.
FCS opponents ACC: 13 in 2012, 13 in 2011, 13 in 2010, 14 in 2009, 14 in 2008 and 7 in 2007, for a total of 74. SEC: 15 in 2012, 12 in 2011, 11 in 2010, 11 in 2009, 9 in 2008 and 9 in 2007, for a total of 67. Big Ten: 8 in 2012, 10 in 2011, 10 in 2010, 9 in 2009, 9 in 2008 and 8 in 2007, for a total of 54. Big 12: 9 in 2012, 6 in 2011, 8 in 2010, 9 in 2009, 10 in 2008 and 8 in 2007, for a total of 50. Big East: 9 in 2012, 8 in 2011, 8 in 2010, 9 in 2009, 7 in 2008 and 7 in 2007, for a total of 48. Pac-12: 9 in 2012, 8 in 2011, 7 in 2010, 4 in 2009, 2 in 2008 and 2 in 2007, for a total of 32. National totals: 63 in 2012, 57 in 2011, 57 in 2010, 56 in 2009, 51 in 2008 and 41 in 2007.
Big Six nonconference opponents ACC: 23 in 2012, 20 in 2011, 19 in 2010, 20 in 2009, 23 in 2008 and 22 in 2007, for a total of 127. Big East: 16 in 2012, 16 in 2011, 15 in 2010, 16 in 2009, 16 in 2008 and 15 in 2007, for a total of 94. SEC: 14 in 2012, 12 in 2011, 16 in 2010, 14 in 2009, 15 in 2008 and 14 in 2007, for a total of 85. Big Ten: 15 in 2012, 14 in 2011, 12 in 2010, 14 in 2009, 13 in 2008 and 13 in 2007, for a total of 81. Pac-12: 11 in 2012, 16 in 2011, 14 in 2010, 15 in 2009, 14 in 2008 and 11 in 2007, for a total of 81. Big 12: 9 in 2012, 9 in 2011, 12 in 2010, 11 in 2009, 15 in 2008 and 11 in 2007, for a total of 67. National totals: 88 in 2012, 87 in 2011, 88 in 2010, 90 in 2009, 96 in 2008 and 86 in 2007.
Yeah, they don't play anyone.
LOL, you're ignoring the fact they have more teams and play more out of conference games. Try again.
You could make the same argument for the amount of FCS games they play. More OOC games means they play less FCS teams per school.
They're still playing a lot per school. 1.07 per school in 2012. DNC said that... I think...
Let's look at the OOC schedules of teams that played the SEC in the title game. Shall we?
2013 FSU: @Pitt, Nevada, Bethune-Cookman, Florida (SEC teams don't play anyone, though) 2012 Notre Dame: Independent school. Argument isn't valid here. Definitely earned their spot, but got raped by Bama. 2011: The infamous all-SEC title game... Bama played at Penn St. and LSU beat Oregon OOC 2010 Oregon: New Mexico, @Tennessee (SEC teams don't play anyone, though), Portland St. 2009 Texas: Louisiana-Monroe, @Wyoming, UTEP, Central Florida 2008: Chattanooga, Cincinnati, UW (0-12 baby!!!), TCU 2007 Ohio St: Youngstown St. Akron, @Washington , Kent St. 2006 Ohio St: Northern Illinois, @Texas, Cincinnati, Bowling Green 2003 Oklahoma: North Texas, @Alabama (SEC teams don't play anyone, though), UCLA 1998 FSU: Texas A/M, USC, @Miami, Florida (one loss team, but also played the toughest schedule on this list)
As you can see, most of the teams that "earned" their trip to the title game versus SEC opponents played cupcake schedules OOC, save for 1998 FSU, 2003 Oklahoma, and Notre Dame in 2012.
You're wasting your time with PLSS and Bill. I laid out last years OOC schedules and showed that the SEC played as tough or tougher of a schedule as anyone. They'll just ignore facts.
PLSS I understand. I don't know why Bill is such a retard about it though.
That's one fucking year. You're completely missing the long term trend. This didn't start in 2012. Do I need to dredge out the OOC schedules from 2006, 2007, 2008 etc.? Like Puppy said, if every conference was treated equally every year, I wouldn't be bitching about it. That hasn't been the case though.
Hey dumbfuck... Are you gonna give the ACC shit? Oh wait, they aren't winning championships. So you can't really be jealous of them like the SEC.
All of the conferences have been doing it for a while, save for the Pac. We came on late.
I also find it interesting how the SEC played more power conference OOC opponents than the Big 12, Big 10 and Pac 12 over the period between 2007-2012.
FCS opponents ACC: 13 in 2012, 13 in 2011, 13 in 2010, 14 in 2009, 14 in 2008 and 7 in 2007, for a total of 74. SEC: 15 in 2012, 12 in 2011, 11 in 2010, 11 in 2009, 9 in 2008 and 9 in 2007, for a total of 67. Big Ten: 8 in 2012, 10 in 2011, 10 in 2010, 9 in 2009, 9 in 2008 and 8 in 2007, for a total of 54. Big 12: 9 in 2012, 6 in 2011, 8 in 2010, 9 in 2009, 10 in 2008 and 8 in 2007, for a total of 50. Big East: 9 in 2012, 8 in 2011, 8 in 2010, 9 in 2009, 7 in 2008 and 7 in 2007, for a total of 48. Pac-12: 9 in 2012, 8 in 2011, 7 in 2010, 4 in 2009, 2 in 2008 and 2 in 2007, for a total of 32. National totals: 63 in 2012, 57 in 2011, 57 in 2010, 56 in 2009, 51 in 2008 and 41 in 2007.
Big Six nonconference opponents ACC: 23 in 2012, 20 in 2011, 19 in 2010, 20 in 2009, 23 in 2008 and 22 in 2007, for a total of 127. Big East: 16 in 2012, 16 in 2011, 15 in 2010, 16 in 2009, 16 in 2008 and 15 in 2007, for a total of 94. SEC: 14 in 2012, 12 in 2011, 16 in 2010, 14 in 2009, 15 in 2008 and 14 in 2007, for a total of 85. Big Ten: 15 in 2012, 14 in 2011, 12 in 2010, 14 in 2009, 13 in 2008 and 13 in 2007, for a total of 81. Pac-12: 11 in 2012, 16 in 2011, 14 in 2010, 15 in 2009, 14 in 2008 and 11 in 2007, for a total of 81. Big 12: 9 in 2012, 9 in 2011, 12 in 2010, 11 in 2009, 15 in 2008 and 11 in 2007, for a total of 67. National totals: 88 in 2012, 87 in 2011, 88 in 2010, 90 in 2009, 96 in 2008 and 86 in 2007.
Yeah, they don't play anyone.
LOL, you're ignoring the fact they have more teams and play more out of conference games. Try again.
You could make the same argument for the amount of FCS games they play. More OOC games means they play less FCS teams per school.
They're still playing a lot per school. 1.07 per school in 2012. DNC said that... I think...
Just kneel down and kiss the rings bitch. You can't argue with their record in big games.
I'll make sure to bump this thread after the SEC tears it up again this year. Roll Tide!!!!
Fuck your tide, they have 12 returning starters, a 6-5 statue in Cocker who hasn't tickled a centers balls and everyone (ESPN, the owner of the college football ripoff) is projecting them #1. Don't let Georgia, SC or Auburn get in the way.
Nobody is getting out of the pac12 alive (Unless your Oregon with a Nike schedule). Someone will get out of the SEC undefeated because it's only 6-deep. Then a second SEC team will get in over a 1 - loss pac12 team because of the ESPN lobby. Just watch. Again, fuck your tide!
My Crimson Tide have 3 of the last 5 national championships. Doog.
How can you not win 3 titles when you play 2 difficult games a year and a free pass to every title game? Then play one team, in your own conference, who you already beat comfortably during the regular season? Then play a ND team that squeaked by Pitt in 3 overtimes another year? Those national titles were flukes and given to Saban on a silver platter
Let's look at the OOC schedules of teams that played the SEC in the title game. Shall we?
2013 FSU: @Pitt, Nevada, Bethune-Cookman, Florida (SEC teams don't play anyone, though) 2012 Notre Dame: Independent school. Argument isn't valid here. Definitely earned their spot, but got raped by Bama. 2011: The infamous all-SEC title game... Bama played at Penn St. and LSU beat Oregon OOC 2010 Oregon: New Mexico, @Tennessee (SEC teams don't play anyone, though), Portland St. 2009 Texas: Louisiana-Monroe, @Wyoming, UTEP, Central Florida 2008: Chattanooga, Cincinnati, UW (0-12 baby!!!), TCU 2007 Ohio St: Youngstown St. Akron, @Washington , Kent St. 2006 Ohio St: Northern Illinois, @Texas, Cincinnati, Bowling Green 2003 Oklahoma: North Texas, @Alabama (SEC teams don't play anyone, though), UCLA 1998 FSU: Texas A/M, USC, @Miami, Florida (one loss team, but also played the toughest schedule on this list)
As you can see, most of the teams that "earned" their trip to the title game versus SEC opponents played cupcake schedules OOC, save for 1998 FSU, 2003 Oklahoma, and Notre Dame in 2012.
You're wasting your time with PLSS and Bill. I laid out last years OOC schedules and showed that the SEC played as tough or tougher of a schedule as anyone. They'll just ignore facts.
PLSS I understand. I don't know why Bill is such a retard about it though.
That's one fucking year. You're completely missing the long term trend. This didn't start in 2012. Do I need to dredge out the OOC schedules from 2006, 2007, 2008 etc.? Like Puppy said, if every conference was treated equally every year, I wouldn't be bitching about it. That hasn't been the case though.
Hey dumbfuck... Are you gonna give the ACC shit? Oh wait, they aren't winning championships. So you can't really be jealous of them like the SEC.
All of the conferences have been doing it for a while, save for the Pac. We came on late.
I also find it interesting how the SEC played more power conference OOC opponents than the Big 12, Big 10 and Pac 12 over the period between 2007-2012.
FCS opponents ACC: 13 in 2012, 13 in 2011, 13 in 2010, 14 in 2009, 14 in 2008 and 7 in 2007, for a total of 74. SEC: 15 in 2012, 12 in 2011, 11 in 2010, 11 in 2009, 9 in 2008 and 9 in 2007, for a total of 67. Big Ten: 8 in 2012, 10 in 2011, 10 in 2010, 9 in 2009, 9 in 2008 and 8 in 2007, for a total of 54. Big 12: 9 in 2012, 6 in 2011, 8 in 2010, 9 in 2009, 10 in 2008 and 8 in 2007, for a total of 50. Big East: 9 in 2012, 8 in 2011, 8 in 2010, 9 in 2009, 7 in 2008 and 7 in 2007, for a total of 48. Pac-12: 9 in 2012, 8 in 2011, 7 in 2010, 4 in 2009, 2 in 2008 and 2 in 2007, for a total of 32. National totals: 63 in 2012, 57 in 2011, 57 in 2010, 56 in 2009, 51 in 2008 and 41 in 2007.
Big Six nonconference opponents ACC: 23 in 2012, 20 in 2011, 19 in 2010, 20 in 2009, 23 in 2008 and 22 in 2007, for a total of 127. Big East: 16 in 2012, 16 in 2011, 15 in 2010, 16 in 2009, 16 in 2008 and 15 in 2007, for a total of 94. SEC: 14 in 2012, 12 in 2011, 16 in 2010, 14 in 2009, 15 in 2008 and 14 in 2007, for a total of 85. Big Ten: 15 in 2012, 14 in 2011, 12 in 2010, 14 in 2009, 13 in 2008 and 13 in 2007, for a total of 81. Pac-12: 11 in 2012, 16 in 2011, 14 in 2010, 15 in 2009, 14 in 2008 and 11 in 2007, for a total of 81. Big 12: 9 in 2012, 9 in 2011, 12 in 2010, 11 in 2009, 15 in 2008 and 11 in 2007, for a total of 67. National totals: 88 in 2012, 87 in 2011, 88 in 2010, 90 in 2009, 96 in 2008 and 86 in 2007.
Yeah, they don't play anyone.
LOL, you're ignoring the fact they have more teams and play more out of conference games. Try again.
You could make the same argument for the amount of FCS games they play. More OOC games means they play less FCS teams per school.
They're still playing a lot per school. 1.07 per school in 2012. DNC said that... I think...
Just kneel down and kiss the rings bitch. You can't argue with their record in big games.
I'll make sure to bump this thread after the SEC tears it up again this year. Roll Tide!!!!
What J? When the SEC tears it up against themselves? Then play themselves in the title game? Remember mighty Bama lost to Utah and Oklahoma in these "big games" you speak of. Oh, and a chronic .500 team in A&M at home.
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All of the conferences have been doing it for a while, save for the Pac. We came on late.
I also find it interesting how the SEC played more power conference OOC opponents than the Big 12, Big 10 and Pac 12 over the period between 2007-2012.
FCS opponents
ACC: 13 in 2012, 13 in 2011, 13 in 2010, 14 in 2009, 14 in 2008 and 7 in 2007, for a total of 74.
SEC: 15 in 2012, 12 in 2011, 11 in 2010, 11 in 2009, 9 in 2008 and 9 in 2007, for a total of 67.
Big Ten: 8 in 2012, 10 in 2011, 10 in 2010, 9 in 2009, 9 in 2008 and 8 in 2007, for a total of 54.
Big 12: 9 in 2012, 6 in 2011, 8 in 2010, 9 in 2009, 10 in 2008 and 8 in 2007, for a total of 50.
Big East: 9 in 2012, 8 in 2011, 8 in 2010, 9 in 2009, 7 in 2008 and 7 in 2007, for a total of 48.
Pac-12: 9 in 2012, 8 in 2011, 7 in 2010, 4 in 2009, 2 in 2008 and 2 in 2007, for a total of 32.
National totals: 63 in 2012, 57 in 2011, 57 in 2010, 56 in 2009, 51 in 2008 and 41 in 2007.
Big Six nonconference opponents
ACC: 23 in 2012, 20 in 2011, 19 in 2010, 20 in 2009, 23 in 2008 and 22 in 2007, for a total of 127.
Big East: 16 in 2012, 16 in 2011, 15 in 2010, 16 in 2009, 16 in 2008 and 15 in 2007, for a total of 94.
SEC: 14 in 2012, 12 in 2011, 16 in 2010, 14 in 2009, 15 in 2008 and 14 in 2007, for a total of 85.
Big Ten: 15 in 2012, 14 in 2011, 12 in 2010, 14 in 2009, 13 in 2008 and 13 in 2007, for a total of 81.
Pac-12: 11 in 2012, 16 in 2011, 14 in 2010, 15 in 2009, 14 in 2008 and 11 in 2007, for a total of 81.
Big 12: 9 in 2012, 9 in 2011, 12 in 2010, 11 in 2009, 15 in 2008 and 11 in 2007, for a total of 67.
National totals: 88 in 2012, 87 in 2011, 88 in 2010, 90 in 2009, 96 in 2008 and 86 in 2007.
Yeah, they don't play anyone.
The Pac's 81 non conference games with power conference opponents, OTOH, breaks down to roughly 1.3 per team per season. And the 81 was out of roughly 246 non conference games, for a rate of 32.9% of their games with power conference foes.
Whereas I was inclined to agree with APAG and yourself before this debate, your numbers actually have me leaning slightly more towards Bill's way of thinking. Good research.
Nobody is getting out of the pac12 alive (Unless your Oregon with a Nike schedule). Someone will get out of the SEC undefeated because it's only 6-deep. Then a second SEC team will get in over a 1 - loss pac12 team because of the ESPN lobby. Just watch. Again, fuck your tide!
Playing three non conference opponents that have no chance of beating you is not respectable scheduling IMO.
HI Woody!
I'll make sure to bump this thread after the SEC tears it up again this year. Roll Tide!!!!