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What Pearl Jam sounds like to people who don't like Pearl Jam
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There's a new record store in Index. The owner is a really nice kid, but a huge PJ fan. He's always excitedly telling me about some new 168th month anniversary special braille pressing of Jeremy or some shit, and I have a hard tim disguising my utter disinterest.
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Thank REAL God I don't have a beard.YellowSnow said:I'm hearing Pearl Jam is a band for fat, middle aged white guys with beards.
@pawz true?
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The rest of you should DIAFF
Including @dnc who hasn't seen the thread yet.
HOF Bitches !!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84zCxQYTMy0
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One of the hardest things about living in a shitty little, logging camp, is that the 1 records store is twash as fuck with horrible selection. The used bins are slim picking at best and their new stuff is mostly the crappy pressings and not the audiophile masterings preferred by Yella.GrundleStiltzkin said:There's a new record store in Index. The owner is a really nice kid, but a huge PJ fan. He's always excitedly telling me about some new 168th month anniversary special braille pressing of Jeremy or some shit, and I have a hard tim disguising my utter disinterest.
The thing I miss most about Seattle is the record stores where there's still an abundance of good used bin stuff to be had, albeit at much higher prices than the 2005- 09 salad days.
I used to go up to Silver Platters in Index now and then, which was a decent store for up north. -
Sign language lady is the best part of the video
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If we're gonna start bashing new 168th month anniversary special braille pressings of Jeremy, I'm out!GrundleStiltzkin said:There's a new record store in Index. The owner is a really nice kid, but a huge PJ fan. He's always excitedly telling me about some new 168th month anniversary special braille pressing of Jeremy or some shit, and I have a hard tim disguising my utter disinterest.
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This may shock some here: I actually love Eddie Vedder as a vocalist.pawz said:The rest of you should DIAFF
Including @dnc who hasn't seen the thread yet.
HOF Bitches !!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84zCxQYTMy0
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Pearl Jam definitely sucks and Vedder is lame. His vocal style gave rise to many lousy garage bands. I would go so far as to guess that, without Pearl Jam, Creed never becomes big.
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It's not Eddie's vault that Creed sucks ballz.BleachedAnusDawg said:Pearl Jam definitely sucks and Vedder is lame. His vocal style gave rise to many lousy garage bands. I would go so far as to guess that, without Pearl Jam, Creed never becomes big.
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It does feel like more of the post grunge bands were trying to be PJ more than any of the other grunge bands. Bush was chasing Nirvana (unpopular opinion: they actually made some really good music) but most of the late 90's/early 00's post grunge dreck was PJ lite.BleachedAnusDawg said:Pearl Jam definitely sucks and Vedder is lame. His vocal style gave rise to many lousy garage bands. I would go so far as to guess that, without Pearl Jam, Creed never becomes big.
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That's actually the only PJ song I really like, though it's just as vulnerable to being made fun of as anything else of theirs. Alive and Jeremy and Black or WTF ever it's called are all worse. At least Even Flow is a legit rocking tune and the chorus kicks ass.
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I like a lot of PJ songs including all of them listed here. That first album was legitimately great.chuck said:That's actually the only PJ song I really like, though it's just as vulnerable to being made fun of as anything else of theirs. Alive and Jeremy and Black or WTF ever it's called are all worse. At least Even Flow is a legit rocking tune and the chorus kicks ass.
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Always gets an instant WTF reaction when I tell people they peaked early and got boring and lame after Vitalogy. Then I tell them to name five songs after that and I prove my point every time
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I agree. Most bands peak very early, and subsequently run out of steam creatively. Grunge was similar to the protest and "Summer of Love" bands of the 60's, IMO.JoeEDangerously said:Always gets an instant WTF reaction when I tell people they peaked early and got boring and lame after Vitalogy. Then I tell them to name five songs after that and I prove my point every time
Some write about common themes, love songs, torch songs, drinking songs, fantasy, horror...these two "groups" of bands were writing about current events, public (the war, society, government, revolution) and private (loss, relationships, addiction, society), specific to the time they wrote them. Once they are heard, they are passe`(pardon my French and punctuation) to the artist. A hell of a lot of great music was made in the 60's by bands that were one-hit-wonders, or on a slog to irrelevancy, if they didn't move on creatively.
Once you get paid, your perspective changes...I think it would be very difficult to write songs of angst, outrage, protest, while sitting in a waterfront estate vs. a dingy basement with bandmates for roommates, and a rattletrap van in the front yard...
The Stones made relevant music for about 20 years (morphing from blues to pop, psychedelic, roots, c&w, reggae, disco, punk, and back), The Who for 14, The Beach Boys for about 5 (no Beatles because they broke up)...CSN (and Y, when he was in the mood) came as close to a great 2nd act as there is, IMO. I'm sure there are others, but the point is that the above mentioned groups are still packing houses, and no one who pays $$ to see them wants to hear "the new album"...I think PJ is right where they should be, and they get it...
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Hail, Hail and Red Mosquito.JoeEDangerously said:Always gets an instant WTF reaction when I tell people they peaked early and got boring and lame after Vitalogy. Then I tell them to name five songs after that and I prove my point every time
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Just Breathe, Crazy Mary, World Wide Suicide, Life Wasted, I am Mine, Bushleaguer, Dance of the ClairvoyantsYellowSnow said:
Hail, Hail and Red Mosquito.JoeEDangerously said:Always gets an instant WTF reaction when I tell people they peaked early and got boring and lame after Vitalogy. Then I tell them to name five songs after that and I prove my point every time
But that’s only 2.
Really their best work is all the live concerts they’ve released off the sound boards. No two concerts are the same.
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I like Unemployable off that avocado album.pawz said:
Just Breathe, Crazy Mary, World Wide Suicide, Life Wasted, I am Mine, Bushleaguer, Dance of the ClairvoyantsYellowSnow said:
Hail, Hail and Red Mosquito.JoeEDangerously said:Always gets an instant WTF reaction when I tell people they peaked early and got boring and lame after Vitalogy. Then I tell them to name five songs after that and I prove my point every time
But that’s only 2.
Really their best work is all the live concerts they’ve released off the sound boards. No two concerts are the same. -
Steppenwolf is a huge example of thisFishpo31 said:
I agree. Most bands peak very early, and subsequently run out of steam creatively. Grunge was similar to the protest and "Summer of Love" bands of the 60's, IMO.JoeEDangerously said:Always gets an instant WTF reaction when I tell people they peaked early and got boring and lame after Vitalogy. Then I tell them to name five songs after that and I prove my point every time
Some write about common themes, love songs, torch songs, drinking songs, fantasy, horror...these two "groups" of bands were writing about current events, public (the war, society, government, revolution) and private (loss, relationships, addiction, society), specific to the time they wrote them. Once they are heard, they are passe`(pardon my French and punctuation) to the artist. A hell of a lot of great music was made in the 60's by bands that were one-hit-wonders, or on a slog to irrelevancy, if they didn't move on creatively.
Once you get paid, your perspective changes...I think it would be very difficult to write songs of angst, outrage, protest, while sitting in a waterfront estate vs. a dingy basement with bandmates for roommates, and a rattletrap van in the front yard...
The Stones made relevant music for about 20 years (morphing from blues to pop, psychedelic, roots, c&w, reggae, disco, punk, and back), The Who for 14, The Beach Boys for about 5 (no Beatles because they broke up)...CSN (and Y, when he was in the mood) came as close to a great 2nd act as there is, IMO. I'm sure there are others, but the point is that the above mentioned groups are still packing houses, and no one who pays $$ to see them wants to hear "the new album"...I think PJ is right where they should be, and they get it... -
I met some rock junkies a couple years ago here in Lexington when I saw the wife was wearing an Easy Street Records shirt.pawz said:
Just Breathe, Crazy Mary, World Wide Suicide, Life Wasted, I am Mine, Bushleaguer, Dance of the ClairvoyantsYellowSnow said:
Hail, Hail and Red Mosquito.JoeEDangerously said:Always gets an instant WTF reaction when I tell people they peaked early and got boring and lame after Vitalogy. Then I tell them to name five songs after that and I prove my point every time
But that’s only 2.
Really their best work is all the live concerts they’ve released off the sound boards. No two concerts are the same.
They were huge PJ fans to the point of seeing them 2-3 concerts in a row. They said PJ doesn’t do the same set every night. -
I'd say 20 (well 19 technically) is about right for the Stones. 1964 was their first LP and they made good and interesting music through 1983's Undercover (although Tattoo You is really the last essential Stones record).Fishpo31 said:
I agree. Most bands peak very early, and subsequently run out of steam creatively. Grunge was similar to the protest and "Summer of Love" bands of the 60's, IMO.JoeEDangerously said:Always gets an instant WTF reaction when I tell people they peaked early and got boring and lame after Vitalogy. Then I tell them to name five songs after that and I prove my point every time
Some write about common themes, love songs, torch songs, drinking songs, fantasy, horror...these two "groups" of bands were writing about current events, public (the war, society, government, revolution) and private (loss, relationships, addiction, society), specific to the time they wrote them. Once they are heard, they are passe`(pardon my French and punctuation) to the artist. A hell of a lot of great music was made in the 60's by bands that were one-hit-wonders, or on a slog to irrelevancy, if they didn't move on creatively.
Once you get paid, your perspective changes...I think it would be very difficult to write songs of angst, outrage, protest, while sitting in a waterfront estate vs. a dingy basement with bandmates for roommates, and a rattletrap van in the front yard...
The Stones made relevant music for about 20 years (morphing from blues to pop, psychedelic, roots, c&w, reggae, disco, punk, and back), The Who for 14, The Beach Boys for about 5 (no Beatles because they broke up)...CSN (and Y, when he was in the mood) came as close to a great 2nd act as there is, IMO. I'm sure there are others, but the point is that the above mentioned groups are still packing houses, and no one who pays $$ to see them wants to hear "the new album"...I think PJ is right where they should be, and they get it...
There's really no other "group" that can match this although Neil Young and Paul Simon both were artistically relevant past the 20 years on mark- e.g., Ragged Glory or Graceland. @RaceBannon will, of course, say Neil Young and Crazy Horse was a "real" band. -
YellowSnow said:
I'd say 20 (well 19 technically) is about right for the Stones. 1964 was their first LP and they made good and interesting music through 1983's Undercover (although Tattoo You is really the last essential Stones record).Fishpo31 said:
I agree. Most bands peak very early, and subsequently run out of steam creatively. Grunge was similar to the protest and "Summer of Love" bands of the 60's, IMO.JoeEDangerously said:Always gets an instant WTF reaction when I tell people they peaked early and got boring and lame after Vitalogy. Then I tell them to name five songs after that and I prove my point every time
Some write about common themes, love songs, torch songs, drinking songs, fantasy, horror...these two "groups" of bands were writing about current events, public (the war, society, government, revolution) and private (loss, relationships, addiction, society), specific to the time they wrote them. Once they are heard, they are passe`(pardon my French and punctuation) to the artist. A hell of a lot of great music was made in the 60's by bands that were one-hit-wonders, or on a slog to irrelevancy, if they didn't move on creatively.
Once you get paid, your perspective changes...I think it would be very difficult to write songs of angst, outrage, protest, while sitting in a waterfront estate vs. a dingy basement with bandmates for roommates, and a rattletrap van in the front yard...
The Stones made relevant music for about 20 years (morphing from blues to pop, psychedelic, roots, c&w, reggae, disco, punk, and back), The Who for 14, The Beach Boys for about 5 (no Beatles because they broke up)...CSN (and Y, when he was in the mood) came as close to a great 2nd act as there is, IMO. I'm sure there are others, but the point is that the above mentioned groups are still packing houses, and no one who pays $$ to see them wants to hear "the new album"...I think PJ is right where they should be, and they get it...
There's really no other "group" that can match this although Neil Young and Paul Simon both were artistically relevant past the 20 years on mark- e.g., Ragged Glory or Graceland. @RaceBannon will, of course, say Neil Young and Crazy Horse was a "real" band.
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Not enough distortion, good otherwise.pawz said:YellowSnow said:
I'd say 20 (well 19 technically) is about right for the Stones. 1964 was their first LP and they made good and interesting music through 1983's Undercover (although Tattoo You is really the last essential Stones record).Fishpo31 said:
I agree. Most bands peak very early, and subsequently run out of steam creatively. Grunge was similar to the protest and "Summer of Love" bands of the 60's, IMO.JoeEDangerously said:Always gets an instant WTF reaction when I tell people they peaked early and got boring and lame after Vitalogy. Then I tell them to name five songs after that and I prove my point every time
Some write about common themes, love songs, torch songs, drinking songs, fantasy, horror...these two "groups" of bands were writing about current events, public (the war, society, government, revolution) and private (loss, relationships, addiction, society), specific to the time they wrote them. Once they are heard, they are passe`(pardon my French and punctuation) to the artist. A hell of a lot of great music was made in the 60's by bands that were one-hit-wonders, or on a slog to irrelevancy, if they didn't move on creatively.
Once you get paid, your perspective changes...I think it would be very difficult to write songs of angst, outrage, protest, while sitting in a waterfront estate vs. a dingy basement with bandmates for roommates, and a rattletrap van in the front yard...
The Stones made relevant music for about 20 years (morphing from blues to pop, psychedelic, roots, c&w, reggae, disco, punk, and back), The Who for 14, The Beach Boys for about 5 (no Beatles because they broke up)...CSN (and Y, when he was in the mood) came as close to a great 2nd act as there is, IMO. I'm sure there are others, but the point is that the above mentioned groups are still packing houses, and no one who pays $$ to see them wants to hear "the new album"...I think PJ is right where they should be, and they get it...
There's really no other "group" that can match this although Neil Young and Paul Simon both were artistically relevant past the 20 years on mark- e.g., Ragged Glory or Graceland. @RaceBannon will, of course, say Neil Young and Crazy Horse was a "real" band.https://youtu.be/hvtdbfI1sqQ
I actually like PJ in a way. I just don't like their songs or his vocals much. Maybe I should check out more live stuff. -
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YellowSnow said:
I'm hearing Pearl Jam is a band for fat, middle aged white guys with beards.
I check all of those marks (but the young cuties at work still don’t think I’m fat or are lying to me), but I wasn’t a big fan of them post Ten. Vs. was meh, and they went downhill from there. Mad Season Mike McCready > anything Pearl Jam Mike McCready.
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JoeEDangerously said:
Always gets an instant WTF reaction when I tell people they peaked early and got boring and lame after Vitalogy. Then I tell them to name five songs after that and I prove my point every time
This x1000. Vs. was a big step back from Ten while Vitalogy was the worst money I spent on an album as a kid. Huge disappointment.
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When I was in middle school and high school, Pearl Jam were at their peak. Not my thing (I was more into Wu-Tank, Outkast, and Busta Rhymes at the tim), but there was no avoiding listening to them a lot. At some point, because you couldn't just buy a set on Amazon for $50, a laser tag arena opened up in a strip mall in town. They charged an exorbitant amount (for a poor kid like me) to shoot lasers at people in the dark for 15 minutes while Pearl Jam's popular album played on a loop. Since I was a poor and only went there for birthday parties, I only got to experience long stints in the arena, so I could hear the album loop over and over again. It was pretty excruciating.
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I think Vitalogy is uneven, but the high points I think are among their very best.Purple_Pills said:JoeEDangerously said:Always gets an instant WTF reaction when I tell people they peaked early and got boring and lame after Vitalogy. Then I tell them to name five songs after that and I prove my point every time
This x1000. Vs. was a big step back from Ten while Vitalogy was the worst money I spent on an album as a kid. Huge disappointment.
