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Not sure about this indictment

AOGAOG Member Posts: 1,829
edited April 2023 in Tug Tavern
I get that the business record was falsified, but I don't see who the injured party is. It was a set of expenses for hush money classified as legal expense. Not a flame, I just don't get it...
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  • Bob_CBob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 10,633 Swaye's Wigwam
    AOG said:

    I get that the business record was falsified, but I don't see who the injured party is. It was an expense for hush money classified as legal expense. Not a flame, I just don't get it...

    Since when does there need to be an injured party in criminal law?
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  • AOGAOG Member Posts: 1,829
    Bob_C said:

    AOG said:

    I get that the business record was falsified, but I don't see who the injured party is. It was an expense for hush money classified as legal expense. Not a flame, I just don't get it...

    Since when does there need to be an injured party in criminal law?
    I don't know. Where is Lawdawg or somebody?
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  • AOGAOG Member Posts: 1,829
    edited April 2023
    I think this is a tax issue like Al Capone? Maybe the law expense could be written off, but not hush payments. Probably the law expense could be written off, but the hush money would be taxed differently.
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  • jecorneljecornel Member Posts: 9,727
    All charges are past statute of limitations and the federal government reviewed the case prior. What we are witnessing it utter insanity. The witnesses are stormy and Cohen. Total joke.
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  • Bob_CBob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 10,633 Swaye's Wigwam
    AOG said:

    Bob_C said:

    AOG said:

    I get that the business record was falsified, but I don't see who the injured party is. It was an expense for hush money classified as legal expense. Not a flame, I just don't get it...

    Since when does there need to be an injured party in criminal law?
    I don't know. Where is Lawdawg or somebody?
    Use your brain a little.

    You voted for this nanny state. Breaking a gun law doesn't create an injured party, there are a million other similar examples.
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  • AOGAOG Member Posts: 1,829
    jecornel said:

    All charges are past statute of limitations and the federal government reviewed the case prior. What we are witnessing it utter insanity. The witnesses are stormy and Cohen. Total joke.

    I think I agree with this crowd for once... charges look flimsy. They should have nailed him for exaggerating his assets, reducing values for taxes issues, this is weak... will fail IMO
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  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,963 Standard Supporter
    edited April 2023
    AOG said:

    I get that the business record was falsified, but I don't see who the injured party is. It was a set of expenses for hush money classified as legal expense. Not a flame, I just don't get it...

    When the person accusing has denied it happened several times and is suing you for doing it and you have to hire lawyers it's a legal expense.
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  • AOGAOG Member Posts: 1,829
    Bob_C said:

    AOG said:

    Bob_C said:

    AOG said:

    I get that the business record was falsified, but I don't see who the injured party is. It was an expense for hush money classified as legal expense. Not a flame, I just don't get it...

    Since when does there need to be an injured party in criminal law?
    I don't know. Where is Lawdawg or somebody?
    Use your brain a little.

    You voted for this nanny state. Breaking a gun law doesn't create an injured party, there are a million other similar examples.
    I must have been thinking "injured party" from civil cases, right
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  • Bob_CBob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 10,633 Swaye's Wigwam
    edited April 2023
    Interesting take.

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  • pawzpawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 20,991 Founders Club
    AOG said:

    jecornel said:

    All charges are past statute of limitations and the federal government reviewed the case prior. What we are witnessing it utter insanity. The witnesses are stormy and Cohen. Total joke.

    I think I agree with this crowd for once... charges look flimsy. They should have nailed him for exaggerating his assets, reducing values for taxes issues, this is weak... will fail IMO
    I cackled IRL like an idiot hyena.

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  • jecorneljecornel Member Posts: 9,727

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  • AOGAOG Member Posts: 1,829
    edited April 2023
    I found this: "The key legal question in the case was always how the district attorney would take the charge of falsifying business records — a misdemeanor — and make a felony of it. The statement of facts suggests that the second crime here that would trigger a felony charge is a violation of election law."

    This is why it seems more like a misdemeanor to me. It is, except for the prosecution's novel idea to make it felony due to election. I don't like this strategy.
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  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 20,949
    § 175.10 Falsifying business records in the first degree.

    A person is guilty of falsifying business records in the first degree
    when he commits the crime of falsifying business records in the second
    degree, and when his intent to defraud includes an intent to commit
    another crime or to aid or conceal the commission thereof.

    Falsifying business records in the first degree is a class E felony.
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  • MelloDawgMelloDawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 6,712 Swaye's Wigwam
    jecornel said:

    All charges are past statute of limitations and the federal government reviewed the case prior. What we are witnessing it utter insanity. The witnesses are stormy and Cohen. Total joke.

    Sounds like a rough day for you.
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  • Bob_CBob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 10,633 Swaye's Wigwam
    HHusky said:

    § 175.10 Falsifying business records in the first degree.

    A person is guilty of falsifying business records in the first degree
    when he commits the crime of falsifying business records in the second
    degree, and when his intent to defraud includes an intent to commit
    another crime or to aid or conceal the commission thereof.

    Falsifying business records in the first degree is a class E felony.

    What was the second crime?
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  • Pitchfork51Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 26,980
    Lol when this all gets downgraded to misdemeanors and like a fine the Dems might literally kill Bragg
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  • AOGAOG Member Posts: 1,829
    Bob_C said:

    HHusky said:

    § 175.10 Falsifying business records in the first degree.

    A person is guilty of falsifying business records in the first degree
    when he commits the crime of falsifying business records in the second
    degree, and when his intent to defraud includes an intent to commit
    another crime or to aid or conceal the commission thereof.

    Falsifying business records in the first degree is a class E felony.

    What was the second crime?
    I think it was what they got Cohen for, invalid campaign contribution???
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  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 20,949
    edited April 2023
    Bob_C said:

    HHusky said:

    § 175.10 Falsifying business records in the first degree.

    A person is guilty of falsifying business records in the first degree
    when he commits the crime of falsifying business records in the second
    degree, and when his intent to defraud includes an intent to commit
    another crime or to aid or conceal the commission thereof.

    Falsifying business records in the first degree is a class E felony.

    What was the second crime?
    At a minimum, campaign finance law violations.

    See, John Edwards.
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  • AOGAOG Member Posts: 1,829
    HHusky said:

    § 175.10 Falsifying business records in the first degree.

    A person is guilty of falsifying business records in the first degree
    when he commits the crime of falsifying business records in the second
    degree, and when his intent to defraud includes an intent to commit
    another crime or to aid or conceal the commission thereof.

    Falsifying business records in the first degree is a class E felony.

    is this linked to NY state law?
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  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 20,949
    Pitchfork51 said:

    Lol when this all gets downgraded to misdemeanors and like a fine the Dems might literally kill Bragg

    Daddy's going to strike a plea deal? Artful!
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