Can we offer this Ukranian solider a scholarship?
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And the US understood that The Soviets feeling safe was part of keeping from war. Just like us they will react to malarkey close to home
Hell FDR and Truman gave them eastern Europe. Who cares about Ukraine -
And yet you can't tell us why it is in our interest to strategically support the Ukraine. And when I hear the dementia patient tell me "for as long as it takes" I translate that as another forever war. If Europe doesn't want to protect itself, then I'll take a pass on being their chump.UW_Doog_Bot said:
America, like every country ever, has interests. It deviates in that it's interests are guided by principles to some degree rather than binary self interest.RaceBannon said:I'm pro American unlike PGOS so when I engage in whataboutism it's to make a point, not condemn America
The US has a long standing no malarkey rule for the western hemisphere
Grenada, where we called in Clint Eastwood, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Peru, and Chile among others have met the CIA when the Soviets meddle
Cuba was lost and democrats started supporting the Sandinista and Venezuela commies which makes things more difficult
Note that the democrats party has not been outlawed even though they support our enemies
Nobody was easier on the Soviets than Teddy and the gang
It all matters for a long walk to get perspective
My argument is that it's in our interest to strategically, and marginally, support Ukraine.
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Biden must have a clock in his head, I get why he doesn’t share what it is. PGOS is under no such restraints so to diplomacy and leverage, yet he has no clock in his head. Whatever it takes.WestlinnDuck said:
And yet you can't tell us why it is in our interest to strategically support the Ukraine. And when I hear the dementia patient tell me "for as long as it takes" I translate that as another forever war. If Europe doesn't want to protect itself, then I'll take a pass on being their chump.UW_Doog_Bot said:
America, like every country ever, has interests. It deviates in that it's interests are guided by principles to some degree rather than binary self interest.RaceBannon said:I'm pro American unlike PGOS so when I engage in whataboutism it's to make a point, not condemn America
The US has a long standing no malarkey rule for the western hemisphere
Grenada, where we called in Clint Eastwood, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Peru, and Chile among others have met the CIA when the Soviets meddle
Cuba was lost and democrats started supporting the Sandinista and Venezuela commies which makes things more difficult
Note that the democrats party has not been outlawed even though they support our enemies
Nobody was easier on the Soviets than Teddy and the gang
It all matters for a long walk to get perspective
My argument is that it's in our interest to strategically, and marginally, support Ukraine.
You can disagree. -
Mostly agree. I see more Ukrainian flags than American ones which in and of itself is a fucking disgrace.RaceBannon said:
I came to the thought today that old school covert support would be fineUW_Doog_Bot said:
America, like every country ever, has interests. It deviates in that it's interests are guided by principles to some degree rather than binary self interest.RaceBannon said:I'm pro American unlike PGOS so when I engage in whataboutism it's to make a point, not condemn America
The US has a long standing no malarkey rule for the western hemisphere
Grenada, where we called in Clint Eastwood, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Peru, and Chile among others have met the CIA when the Soviets meddle
Cuba was lost and democrats started supporting the Sandinista and Venezuela commies which makes things more difficult
Note that the democrats party has not been outlawed even though they support our enemies
Nobody was easier on the Soviets than Teddy and the gang
It all matters for a long walk to get perspective
My argument is that it's in our interest to strategically, and marginally, support Ukraine.
You can disagree.
It's the grandstanding and all the morons crowing about how America and Europe need to do whatever it takes.
Just the worst fucking people. Literally like Putin
Not my team. No longer my country
100% the establishment is using this for propaganda and pork. No argument from me there.
I just see Russia getting it's proverbial nuts kicked in repeatedly as a win for the USA.
Also FDR was a fucking communist, of course he gave up Europe. He would have given up the US had he lived. -
Except I have, you just don't want to hear it.WestlinnDuck said:
And yet you can't tell us why it is in our interest to strategically support the Ukraine. And when I hear the dementia patient tell me "for as long as it takes" I translate that as another forever war. If Europe doesn't want to protect itself, then I'll take a pass on being their chump.UW_Doog_Bot said:
America, like every country ever, has interests. It deviates in that it's interests are guided by principles to some degree rather than binary self interest.RaceBannon said:I'm pro American unlike PGOS so when I engage in whataboutism it's to make a point, not condemn America
The US has a long standing no malarkey rule for the western hemisphere
Grenada, where we called in Clint Eastwood, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Peru, and Chile among others have met the CIA when the Soviets meddle
Cuba was lost and democrats started supporting the Sandinista and Venezuela commies which makes things more difficult
Note that the democrats party has not been outlawed even though they support our enemies
Nobody was easier on the Soviets than Teddy and the gang
It all matters for a long walk to get perspective
My argument is that it's in our interest to strategically, and marginally, support Ukraine.
You can disagree. -
But innocents will die.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Tbf the Ukrainians need like 8 to 1 to successfully break the red army.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Why not? Theyve bled the Russians on a scale of 5 to 1 and tied up a lot of Russias best troops thereBob_C said:
Thanks for making my point. If it didn’t matter they wouldn’t have fought for 9 months.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
They held off Russia for 9 months there.Bob_C said:
Strategic enough for Zelensky to throw thousands of soldiers there to die. I’ll take his word for it.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Sure.gifBob_C said:
Battles aren't fought over the population of the citizens, they are fought for strategic geographic positions in order to win the next battle.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Russia is inching closer to...capturing the 57th biggest city in UkraineRaceBannon said:So is the Ukraine shredding this week or strategically losing?
Hard to keep track
@PurpleThrobber doesn't want to take Vantage for the campgrounds.
Nothing strategic about Kyiv, Kherson, Kharkiv
Explain the strategic importance of...bakhmut
Whether or not they use the opportunity to counter attack soon will make or break that decision
They are going to counter attack soon. Lipo
Both sides are hoping this battle will attrition the other into oblivion.
The Ukrainians hope that they kill enough Russians to destroy both political and strategic support.
And the Russians are hoping to force the Ukrainians into a single point defense that saps them of their professional troops.
Either way the US wins imo. -
PurpleThrobber said:
The US can't even pay for it's own problems, why the fuck would you want to get an 'ROI" on a corrupt piece of shit country and their corrupt POS leader?PostGameOrangeSlices said:Smooth brain takes from both of you.
The US, and NATO has spent how many billions, if not trillions, on R&D, weapon production, and all around planning for taking on a foe like Russia?
Now, our surplus stock in the hands of Ex-Soviet block countries is absolutely SHREDDING big bad Russia. It's actually amazing to watch, if you follow it and don't just gargle Tucker's balls on the topic.
We are basically eliminating Russia as a future threat to the world for pennies on the dollar.
Yes, I know Ukraine is corrupt. Yes, I know Burisma is a thing. I don't give a shit.
Russia is getting it's ass fucked by it's younger brother and Uncle Sam is getting a fantastic ROI. Plus, amazing intel on all things Russia - which has proven to be a complete paper tiger incapable of countering HIMARS artillery made by the US in...the 80s.
China is watching this shitshow with concern, too. They would never be able to sniff Taiwan, and they now know it.
If you can't grasp this is way, way, way more dangerous to our national security than Vietnam and Afghanistan, there's not much I can do for you. Backing Putin into a spot where both sides are openly discussing tactical nuclear deployment is unfathomable. But go ahead and virtue signal blue and yellow all you want. Russia and Ukraine conflicts go back centuries. We have no business there.
This is shitty deal for the US and the fucking dementia patient who OK'd blowing up Russia's Nord Stream pipeline is going to be all hunkered down in his underground bunker eating ice cream while the rest of us have to sweat out the Cuban missile crisis Part 2.0. All over covering up his corrupt kid and pandering to all the shady shit the US has been funding in Ukraine.
No thanks. Fuck "ROI". All it takes is that 'paper tiger' to launch a couple dozen nukes and we're all fucked.
Sorry, Dude. We old folks ask a few questions before getting involved in undeclared wars.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
There isnt a world war. Not even close to one.Sledog said:
Dimwitty, even arty shell stocks are way down and production way behind. javelins aren't new but they are frontline weapons for infantry. Quit making excuses for your cause celeb. We do not need a world war. HTHPostGameOrangeSlices said:
Javelins are old as shit dude. 80sSledog said:
Yes and now we're short of all that stuff and production isn't what it used top be and will take years to catch up. Better hope China doesn't want to jump.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
US had been advising and supplying then with things like javelins for a long timeBob_C said:
Your great victory at Kiev was way before anything material got there.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
True but it's only been possible due to arms support and advising.RaceBannon said:
So nothing to worry about thenPostGameOrangeSlices said:
They are, it is the equivalent of Poland beating back Germany in WW2RaceBannon said:
Russia is getting SHREDDED by UkrianePostGameOrangeSlices said:
It's only Czechoslovakia. Surely Hitler will stop there. No way he goes for Poland.PurpleThrobber said:Mostly peaceful chickenhawk.
Hope this helps
thanks
Which many here are staunchly against for some reason.
If the US is using javelins on China its because Chinese tanks are rolling around in Gorst.
In short, not gonna happen
Hth
58,000 young men died in Vietnam (many draftees) and a large number of them were lower middle class folks. And it was all based upon a lie (the alleged attack in the Gulf of Tonkin). -
Innocents are dying either way.Goduckies said:
But innocents will die.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Tbf the Ukrainians need like 8 to 1 to successfully break the red army.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Why not? Theyve bled the Russians on a scale of 5 to 1 and tied up a lot of Russias best troops thereBob_C said:
Thanks for making my point. If it didn’t matter they wouldn’t have fought for 9 months.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
They held off Russia for 9 months there.Bob_C said:
Strategic enough for Zelensky to throw thousands of soldiers there to die. I’ll take his word for it.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Sure.gifBob_C said:
Battles aren't fought over the population of the citizens, they are fought for strategic geographic positions in order to win the next battle.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Russia is inching closer to...capturing the 57th biggest city in UkraineRaceBannon said:So is the Ukraine shredding this week or strategically losing?
Hard to keep track
@PurpleThrobber doesn't want to take Vantage for the campgrounds.
Nothing strategic about Kyiv, Kherson, Kharkiv
Explain the strategic importance of...bakhmut
Whether or not they use the opportunity to counter attack soon will make or break that decision
They are going to counter attack soon. Lipo
Both sides are hoping this battle will attrition the other into oblivion.
The Ukrainians hope that they kill enough Russians to destroy both political and strategic support.
And the Russians are hoping to force the Ukrainians into a single point defense that saps them of their professional troops.
Either way the US wins imo.
Plenty of evidence of the red army doing its typical historical things right now in the Ukraine to any one who isn't Russian. This might be as bad if not morally worse than the Holodomor. -
Both sides are committing atrocities.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Innocents are dying either way.Goduckies said:
But innocents will die.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Tbf the Ukrainians need like 8 to 1 to successfully break the red army.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Why not? Theyve bled the Russians on a scale of 5 to 1 and tied up a lot of Russias best troops thereBob_C said:
Thanks for making my point. If it didn’t matter they wouldn’t have fought for 9 months.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
They held off Russia for 9 months there.Bob_C said:
Strategic enough for Zelensky to throw thousands of soldiers there to die. I’ll take his word for it.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Sure.gifBob_C said:
Battles aren't fought over the population of the citizens, they are fought for strategic geographic positions in order to win the next battle.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Russia is inching closer to...capturing the 57th biggest city in UkraineRaceBannon said:So is the Ukraine shredding this week or strategically losing?
Hard to keep track
@PurpleThrobber doesn't want to take Vantage for the campgrounds.
Nothing strategic about Kyiv, Kherson, Kharkiv
Explain the strategic importance of...bakhmut
Whether or not they use the opportunity to counter attack soon will make or break that decision
They are going to counter attack soon. Lipo
Both sides are hoping this battle will attrition the other into oblivion.
The Ukrainians hope that they kill enough Russians to destroy both political and strategic support.
And the Russians are hoping to force the Ukrainians into a single point defense that saps them of their professional troops.
Either way the US wins imo.
Plenty of evidence of the red army doing its typical historical things right now in the Ukraine to any one who isn't Russian. This might be as bad if not morally worse than the Holodomor.
It's war. It's not our war but it's war.
Which is all the more reason we shouldn't be there enabling half of the carnage - in the name of profit and DEMOCRACY!
Not our fight. Not even remotely.
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Check the 71 pages, there were 7! Whole deaths per year from Ukrainians supposedly relentless shelling of the Donbass.PurpleThrobber said:
Both sides are committing atrocities.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Innocents are dying either way.Goduckies said:
But innocents will die.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Tbf the Ukrainians need like 8 to 1 to successfully break the red army.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Why not? Theyve bled the Russians on a scale of 5 to 1 and tied up a lot of Russias best troops thereBob_C said:
Thanks for making my point. If it didn’t matter they wouldn’t have fought for 9 months.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
They held off Russia for 9 months there.Bob_C said:
Strategic enough for Zelensky to throw thousands of soldiers there to die. I’ll take his word for it.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Sure.gifBob_C said:
Battles aren't fought over the population of the citizens, they are fought for strategic geographic positions in order to win the next battle.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Russia is inching closer to...capturing the 57th biggest city in UkraineRaceBannon said:So is the Ukraine shredding this week or strategically losing?
Hard to keep track
@PurpleThrobber doesn't want to take Vantage for the campgrounds.
Nothing strategic about Kyiv, Kherson, Kharkiv
Explain the strategic importance of...bakhmut
Whether or not they use the opportunity to counter attack soon will make or break that decision
They are going to counter attack soon. Lipo
Both sides are hoping this battle will attrition the other into oblivion.
The Ukrainians hope that they kill enough Russians to destroy both political and strategic support.
And the Russians are hoping to force the Ukrainians into a single point defense that saps them of their professional troops.
Either way the US wins imo.
Plenty of evidence of the red army doing its typical historical things right now in the Ukraine to any one who isn't Russian. This might be as bad if not morally worse than the Holodomor.
It's war. It's not our war but it's war.
Which is all the more reason we shouldn't be there enabling half of the carnage - in the name of profit and DEMOCRACY!
Not our fight. Not even remotely.
The Russians have no right to be there killing people in the hundreds of thousands and probably millions by the time this is over.
Moral equivalence I thought was the left's playbook.
