Can we offer this Ukranian solider a scholarship?

WestlinnDuck

pawz said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

pawz said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

RaceBannon said:

I'm pro American unlike PGOS so when I engage in whataboutism it's to make a point, not condemn America

The US has a long standing no malarkey rule for the western hemisphere

Grenada, where we called in Clint Eastwood, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Peru, and Chile among others have met the CIA when the Soviets meddle

Cuba was lost and democrats started supporting the Sandinista and Venezuela commies which makes things more difficult

Note that the democrats party has not been outlawed even though they support our enemies

Nobody was easier on the Soviets than Teddy and the gang

It all matters for a long walk to get perspective

America, like every country ever, has interests. It deviates in that it's interests are guided by principles to some degree rather than binary self interest.

My argument is that it's in our interest to strategically, and marginally, support Ukraine.

You can disagree.

This is not about merely supporting Ukraine. That takes us back to the February 2022 view. At issue is culpability due to malfeasant, maybe nefarious, geopolitical goals.

I am not convinced, nor do I expect to be convinced, this conflict benefits the common-man American in any way. People forget the ideal is of, by and for the people.

Except that it does. I've pointed out several ways.

Inattention to my arguments doesn't make them invalid but I digress, you said you wouldn't be convinced otherwise.

I'm not convinced by the argument for mere economic benefit. I find it morally hollo.

I've still not seen any concise summary of the benefits to the common US citizen. I've gotten we are all getting rich selling weapons to the Ukraine for which we will never get paid and then it is off to some moral imperative and it will make us feel good and finally we won World War II. No discussion of Vietnam outside of they hate China, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Somalia, Yemen, Syria. So, still waiting, like the Throbber waiting on the dazzler's homework project.

Bob_C

WestlinnDuck said:

pawz said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

pawz said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

RaceBannon said:

I'm pro American unlike PGOS so when I engage in whataboutism it's to make a point, not condemn America

The US has a long standing no malarkey rule for the western hemisphere

Grenada, where we called in Clint Eastwood, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Peru, and Chile among others have met the CIA when the Soviets meddle

Cuba was lost and democrats started supporting the Sandinista and Venezuela commies which makes things more difficult

Note that the democrats party has not been outlawed even though they support our enemies

Nobody was easier on the Soviets than Teddy and the gang

It all matters for a long walk to get perspective

America, like every country ever, has interests. It deviates in that it's interests are guided by principles to some degree rather than binary self interest.

My argument is that it's in our interest to strategically, and marginally, support Ukraine.

You can disagree.

This is not about merely supporting Ukraine. That takes us back to the February 2022 view. At issue is culpability due to malfeasant, maybe nefarious, geopolitical goals.

I am not convinced, nor do I expect to be convinced, this conflict benefits the common-man American in any way. People forget the ideal is of, by and for the people.

Except that it does. I've pointed out several ways.

Inattention to my arguments doesn't make them invalid but I digress, you said you wouldn't be convinced otherwise.

I'm not convinced by the argument for mere economic benefit. I find it morally hollo.

I've still not seen any concise summary of the benefits to the common US citizen. I've gotten we are all getting rich selling weapons to the Ukraine for which we will never get paid and then it is off to some moral imperative and it will make us feel good and finally we won World War II. No discussion of Vietnam outside of they hate China, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Somalia, Yemen, Syria. So, still waiting, like the Throbber waiting on the dazzler's homework project.

Not only is there no benefit that anyone has been able to describe effectively, we were told we needed to pay more for food and energy because of the economic sanctions that were imposed on Russia.

RaceBannon

My reading is that Bot wants dead Russians stacked like cord wood

In and of itself Putin failing is a good thing

I've said my piece numerous times already

WestlinnDuck

RaceBannon said:

My reading is that Bot wants dead Russians stacked like cord wood

In and of itself Putin failing is a good thing

I've said my piece numerous times already

If the Republican's wanted to win, then not one more dime for Ukraine until the US borders are secured.

PostGameOrangeSlices

RaceBannon said:

My reading is that Bot wants dead Russians stacked like cord wood

In and of itself Putin failing is a good thing

I've said my piece numerous times already

Not so much dead Russians. It's sad how many people from poorer regions of Russia are being forcefully conscripted and sent to WW1 level hell

I think Bot and I want a neutered Russia that no longer views the rest of the world as enemies, and instead as trading allies.

Russia had flip flopped on whether or not the West is friends or Nazis for hundreds of years, with some good causes for skepticism (Hitler and Napoleon)

However, there are also numerous morally bankrupt fuckups like Holodimir, Finnish Invasion, "Special Militarty Operation", false flag terrorist attacks blamed on Chechnya, etc etc.

WestlinnDuck

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

RaceBannon said:

My reading is that Bot wants dead Russians stacked like cord wood

In and of itself Putin failing is a good thing

I've said my piece numerous times already

Not so much dead Russians. It's sad how many people from poorer regions of Russia are being forcefully conscripted and sent to WW1 level hell

I think Bot and I want a neutered Russia that no longer views the rest of the world as enemies, and instead as trading allies.

Russia had flip flopped on whether or not the West is friends or Nazis for hundreds of years, with some good causes for skepticism (Hitler and Napoleon)

However, there are also numerous morally bankrupt fuckups like Holodimir, Finnish Invasion, "Special Militarty Operation", false flag terrorist attacks blamed on Chechnya, etc etc.

Russia is now neutered except for nukes. Turns out it was neutered before the Ukraine invasion.

PurpleThrobber

WestlinnDuck said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

RaceBannon said:

My reading is that Bot wants dead Russians stacked like cord wood

In and of itself Putin failing is a good thing

I've said my piece numerous times already

Not so much dead Russians. It's sad how many people from poorer regions of Russia are being forcefully conscripted and sent to WW1 level hell

I think Bot and I want a neutered Russia that no longer views the rest of the world as enemies, and instead as trading allies.

Russia had flip flopped on whether or not the West is friends or Nazis for hundreds of years, with some good causes for skepticism (Hitler and Napoleon)

However, there are also numerous morally bankrupt fuckups like Holodimir, Finnish Invasion, "Special Militarty Operation", false flag terrorist attacks blamed on Chechnya, etc etc.

Russia is now neutered except for nukes. Turns out it was neutered before the Ukraine invasion.

Those pesky nukes.

Mostly peaceful nukes, I'm quite certain.

WestlinnDuck

PurpleThrobber said:

WestlinnDuck said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

RaceBannon said:

My reading is that Bot wants dead Russians stacked like cord wood

In and of itself Putin failing is a good thing

I've said my piece numerous times already

Not so much dead Russians. It's sad how many people from poorer regions of Russia are being forcefully conscripted and sent to WW1 level hell

I think Bot and I want a neutered Russia that no longer views the rest of the world as enemies, and instead as trading allies.

Russia had flip flopped on whether or not the West is friends or Nazis for hundreds of years, with some good causes for skepticism (Hitler and Napoleon)

However, there are also numerous morally bankrupt fuckups like Holodimir, Finnish Invasion, "Special Militarty Operation", false flag terrorist attacks blamed on Chechnya, etc etc.

Russia is now neutered except for nukes. Turns out it was neutered before the Ukraine invasion.

Those pesky nukes.

Mostly peaceful nukes, I'm quite certain.

Jews can't wait until the Iranian mullahs get nukes. Smart move is to just close your eyes, relax and enjoy it.

UW_Doog_Bot

RaceBannon said:

I'm in favor of Mexico as the 51st state

Have long said take the US to them and save them the trip here

Ironically during the Mexican American War that was literally the debate. Just annex all of Mexico.

Then they realized that meant all those swarthy brown catholics like @creepycoug would get to vote in future elections though.

The only reason Baja isn't another state or two is because that was one of the only victories the Mexican army had and it was determined that re-invading it wasn't worth it since that would create a long hard to defend coastline anyways.

I should probably read a history book though.

PurpleThrobber

WestlinnDuck said:

PurpleThrobber said:

WestlinnDuck said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

RaceBannon said:

My reading is that Bot wants dead Russians stacked like cord wood

In and of itself Putin failing is a good thing

I've said my piece numerous times already

Not so much dead Russians. It's sad how many people from poorer regions of Russia are being forcefully conscripted and sent to WW1 level hell

I think Bot and I want a neutered Russia that no longer views the rest of the world as enemies, and instead as trading allies.

Russia had flip flopped on whether or not the West is friends or Nazis for hundreds of years, with some good causes for skepticism (Hitler and Napoleon)

However, there are also numerous morally bankrupt fuckups like Holodimir, Finnish Invasion, "Special Militarty Operation", false flag terrorist attacks blamed on Chechnya, etc etc.

Russia is now neutered except for nukes. Turns out it was neutered before the Ukraine invasion.

Those pesky nukes.

Mostly peaceful nukes, I'm quite certain.

Jews can't wait until the Iranian mullahs get nukes. Smart move is to just close your eyes, relax and enjoy it.

Bobby Knight POTD

#conniechung