Dream school

HuskyJW

How in 2022 do people think this is a real thing?

whatshouldicareabout

Kids create plans for their future which involve getting into an ideal or "dream" school

For example, a kid wanting to become a lawyer may consider Harvard's law school their dream school

TheHB

whatshouldicareabout said:

Kids create plans for their future which involve getting into an ideal or "dream" school

For example, a kid wanting to become a lawyer may consider Harvard's law school their dream school

creepycoug

TheHB said:

whatshouldicareabout said:

Kids create plans for their future which involve getting into an ideal or "dream" school

For example, a kid wanting to become a lawyer may consider Harvard's law school their dream school

Nice shirt!

creepycoug

HuskyJW said:

How in 2022 do people think this is a real thing?

What do you mean? A little context would help.

Do you mean yet another kid who has no academic business being in college saying they're signing with their dream school? That's always been a joke. Don't blame 2022.

theLSkid

There are no longer “dream schools” just selector schools.
For example, Kalen has probably spent 2-2 1/2 years on SD Wonderboy, but tOSU came to one game and flew him out to lose to UM and he still went to tOSU, why? they can select their athletes.
Bama, tOSU, Georgia, all selector schools, maybe you can throw in LSU in years past but not with Kelly at the helm.
What’s nice about the Presley flip is that it proves that UO isn’t a selector school, they can get the NIL kids but they aren’t beating out the top tier teams for talent, at least not often.

TheHB

creepycoug said:

HuskyJW said:

How in 2022 do people think this is a real thing?

What do you mean? A little context would help.

Do you mean yet another kid who has no academic business being in college saying they're signing with their dream school? That's always been a joke. Don't blame 2022.

2022, reached for comment:

creepycoug

theLSkid said:

There are no longer “dream schools” just selector schools.
For example, Kalen has probably spent 2-2 1/2 years on SD Wonderboy, but tOSU came to one game and flew him out to lose to UM and he still went to tOSU, why? they can select their athletes.
Bama, tOSU, Georgia, all selector schools, maybe you can throw in LSU in years past but not with Kelly at the helm.
What’s nice about the Presley flip is that it proves that UO isn’t a selector school, they can get the NIL kids but they aren’t beating out the top tier teams for talent, at least not often.

So "selector school" means you can go toe to toe with one of those other schools and expect to win no matter what?

Is it really selector school or selector recruiter?

theLSkid

creepycoug said:

theLSkid said:

There are no longer “dream schools” just selector schools.
For example, Kalen has probably spent 2-2 1/2 years on SD Wonderboy, but tOSU came to one game and flew him out to lose to UM and he still went to tOSU, why? they can select their athletes.
Bama, tOSU, Georgia, all selector schools, maybe you can throw in LSU in years past but not with Kelly at the helm.
What’s nice about the Presley flip is that it proves that UO isn’t a selector school, they can get the NIL kids but they aren’t beating out the top tier teams for talent, at least not often.

So "selector school" means you can go toe to toe with one of those other schools and expect to win no matter what?

Is it really selector school or selector recruiter?

If Oregon State spends 3 years with an in-state recruit and the day before signing day Nick Saban offers him; he’s going to Alabama. That’s a selector school.

Alabama has a new set of assistants every year and they still pull top 3 classes; I think you’re overestimating the “top tier” recruiters. For example, hartline at tOSU, is he really a good recruiter? He’s had a couple of dudes, but they would’ve ended up at tOSU regardless of whether or not he was there because Day’s offense is highly conducive to WRs getting drafted.

HuskyJW

creepycoug said:

HuskyJW said:

How in 2022 do people think this is a real thing?

What do you mean? A little context would help.

Do you mean yet another kid who has no academic business being in college saying they're signing with their dream school? That's always been a joke. Don't blame 2022.

This

I know it’s always been a joke. But people still fall for it and I can’t believe it’s still a thing in the recruiting world

Kingdome_Urinals

HuskyJW said:

creepycoug said:

HuskyJW said:

How in 2022 do people think this is a real thing?

What do you mean? A little context would help.

Do you mean yet another kid who has no academic business being in college saying they're signing with their dream school? That's always been a joke. Don't blame 2022.

This

I know it’s always been a joke. But people still fall for it and I can’t believe it’s still a thing in the recruiting world

It’s mostly about brands, and most recruits are happy to be on a cool campus with tons of chicks and parties. That’s a dream School for most Kids I guess. The football players will get laid more though. Not the OL, but still.

FreeChavez

creepycoug said:

HuskyJW said:

How in 2022 do people think this is a real thing?

What do you mean? A little context would help.

Do you mean yet another kid who has no academic business being in college saying they're signing with their dream school? That's always been a joke. Don't blame 2022.

I feel it’s un-Christmas like to disparage all of wazzus signing class. We get it, everyone needs janitors and people to run minimarts, but we don’t need to rip them around the holidays.

Have a heart

YellowSnow

creepycoug said:

HuskyJW said:

How in 2022 do people think this is a real thing?

What do you mean? A little context would help.

Do you mean yet another kid who has no academic business being in college saying they're signing with their dream school? That's always been a joke. Don't blame 2022.

What about Class? Who needs class in college. Just good looks, a personality and a concrete peeper.

creepycoug

theLSkid said:

creepycoug said:

theLSkid said:

There are no longer “dream schools” just selector schools.
For example, Kalen has probably spent 2-2 1/2 years on SD Wonderboy, but tOSU came to one game and flew him out to lose to UM and he still went to tOSU, why? they can select their athletes.
Bama, tOSU, Georgia, all selector schools, maybe you can throw in LSU in years past but not with Kelly at the helm.
What’s nice about the Presley flip is that it proves that UO isn’t a selector school, they can get the NIL kids but they aren’t beating out the top tier teams for talent, at least not often.

So "selector school" means you can go toe to toe with one of those other schools and expect to win no matter what?

Is it really selector school or selector recruiter?

If Oregon State spends 3 years with an in-state recruit and the day before signing day Nick Saban offers him; he’s going to Alabama. That’s a selector school.

Alabama has a new set of assistants every year and they still pull top 3 classes; I think you’re overestimating the “top tier” recruiters. For example, hartline at tOSU, is he really a good recruiter? He’s had a couple of dudes, but they would’ve ended up at tOSU regardless of whether or not he was there because Day’s offense is highly conducive to WRs getting drafted.

Cristobal just pulled in a top 5 class in a down year for south florida recruiting (meaning he had to pull it in from places where the kids don't grow up on steady diet of "swagger". He's at a program that has been dreadful the past handful of years, a program that just came off a horrible and embarrassing season, and a program that hasn't done more than have spurts of "good" the last 18. And there are plenty of kids in that class that Bama and Buck wanted.

Obviously, talented recruiter + Mt. Rushmore name is the best situation. But recruiting ability is a talent, and not everybody has it.

RaceBannon

creepycoug said:

theLSkid said:

creepycoug said:

theLSkid said:

There are no longer “dream schools” just selector schools.
For example, Kalen has probably spent 2-2 1/2 years on SD Wonderboy, but tOSU came to one game and flew him out to lose to UM and he still went to tOSU, why? they can select their athletes.
Bama, tOSU, Georgia, all selector schools, maybe you can throw in LSU in years past but not with Kelly at the helm.
What’s nice about the Presley flip is that it proves that UO isn’t a selector school, they can get the NIL kids but they aren’t beating out the top tier teams for talent, at least not often.

So "selector school" means you can go toe to toe with one of those other schools and expect to win no matter what?

Is it really selector school or selector recruiter?

If Oregon State spends 3 years with an in-state recruit and the day before signing day Nick Saban offers him; he’s going to Alabama. That’s a selector school.

Alabama has a new set of assistants every year and they still pull top 3 classes; I think you’re overestimating the “top tier” recruiters. For example, hartline at tOSU, is he really a good recruiter? He’s had a couple of dudes, but they would’ve ended up at tOSU regardless of whether or not he was there because Day’s offense is highly conducive to WRs getting drafted.

Cristobal just pulled in a top 5 class in a down year for south florida recruiting (meaning he had to pull it in from places where the kids don't grow up on steady diet of "swagger". He's at a program that has been dreadful the past handful of years, a program that just came off a horrible and embarrassing season, and a program that hasn't done more than have spurts of "good" the last 18. And there are plenty of kids in that class that Bama and Buck wanted.

Obviously, talented recruiter + Mt. Rushmore name is the best situation. But recruiting ability is a talent, and not everybody has it.

It's really too bad that all his great recruits at Oregon had to portal out this year because Lanning needs time to get his own highly rated recruits in to try and not lose to UW and Oregon State

Cristobal can recruit. Lanning can recruit. Oregon can recruit. Miami can recruit

So far Cristo is a better coach than Lannbo because he beat UW and Oregon State with his highly rated recruits and Lannbo didn't

creepycoug

RaceBannon said:

creepycoug said:

theLSkid said:

creepycoug said:

theLSkid said:

There are no longer “dream schools” just selector schools.
For example, Kalen has probably spent 2-2 1/2 years on SD Wonderboy, but tOSU came to one game and flew him out to lose to UM and he still went to tOSU, why? they can select their athletes.
Bama, tOSU, Georgia, all selector schools, maybe you can throw in LSU in years past but not with Kelly at the helm.
What’s nice about the Presley flip is that it proves that UO isn’t a selector school, they can get the NIL kids but they aren’t beating out the top tier teams for talent, at least not often.

So "selector school" means you can go toe to toe with one of those other schools and expect to win no matter what?

Is it really selector school or selector recruiter?

If Oregon State spends 3 years with an in-state recruit and the day before signing day Nick Saban offers him; he’s going to Alabama. That’s a selector school.

Alabama has a new set of assistants every year and they still pull top 3 classes; I think you’re overestimating the “top tier” recruiters. For example, hartline at tOSU, is he really a good recruiter? He’s had a couple of dudes, but they would’ve ended up at tOSU regardless of whether or not he was there because Day’s offense is highly conducive to WRs getting drafted.

Cristobal just pulled in a top 5 class in a down year for south florida recruiting (meaning he had to pull it in from places where the kids don't grow up on steady diet of "swagger". He's at a program that has been dreadful the past handful of years, a program that just came off a horrible and embarrassing season, and a program that hasn't done more than have spurts of "good" the last 18. And there are plenty of kids in that class that Bama and Buck wanted.

Obviously, talented recruiter + Mt. Rushmore name is the best situation. But recruiting ability is a talent, and not everybody has it.

It's really too bad that all his great recruits at Oregon had to portal out this year because Lanning needs time to get his own highly rated recruits in to try and not lose to UW and Oregon State

Cristobal can recruit. Lanning can recruit. Oregon can recruit. Miami can recruit

So far Cristo is a better coach than Lannbo because he beat UW and Oregon State with his highly rated recruits and Lannbo didn't

My only point being, when you're at a school that doesn't historically dominate the headlines, it's not good enough to say, "Well, you can't get 5 stars to Eugene." Allegedly what Scott Frost said back in the day. Loser talk. Cristo brought in talent to fucking Rutgers. Someday, somebody's going to say the same thing about Washington, if they haven't already: "well, you can't expect us to bring in 5* talent; we're not a selector school."

It's a talent and a work ethic thing. I believe there are really and truly lazy recruiters and guysms who just aren't good at it. They're just not! Kelly was reputed to be both.

Anyway, my response to LSkid's theory, which is more fatalistic than my own.

RaceBannon

creepycoug said:

RaceBannon said:

creepycoug said:

theLSkid said:

creepycoug said:

theLSkid said:

There are no longer “dream schools” just selector schools.
For example, Kalen has probably spent 2-2 1/2 years on SD Wonderboy, but tOSU came to one game and flew him out to lose to UM and he still went to tOSU, why? they can select their athletes.
Bama, tOSU, Georgia, all selector schools, maybe you can throw in LSU in years past but not with Kelly at the helm.
What’s nice about the Presley flip is that it proves that UO isn’t a selector school, they can get the NIL kids but they aren’t beating out the top tier teams for talent, at least not often.

So "selector school" means you can go toe to toe with one of those other schools and expect to win no matter what?

Is it really selector school or selector recruiter?

If Oregon State spends 3 years with an in-state recruit and the day before signing day Nick Saban offers him; he’s going to Alabama. That’s a selector school.

Alabama has a new set of assistants every year and they still pull top 3 classes; I think you’re overestimating the “top tier” recruiters. For example, hartline at tOSU, is he really a good recruiter? He’s had a couple of dudes, but they would’ve ended up at tOSU regardless of whether or not he was there because Day’s offense is highly conducive to WRs getting drafted.

Cristobal just pulled in a top 5 class in a down year for south florida recruiting (meaning he had to pull it in from places where the kids don't grow up on steady diet of "swagger". He's at a program that has been dreadful the past handful of years, a program that just came off a horrible and embarrassing season, and a program that hasn't done more than have spurts of "good" the last 18. And there are plenty of kids in that class that Bama and Buck wanted.

Obviously, talented recruiter + Mt. Rushmore name is the best situation. But recruiting ability is a talent, and not everybody has it.

It's really too bad that all his great recruits at Oregon had to portal out this year because Lanning needs time to get his own highly rated recruits in to try and not lose to UW and Oregon State

Cristobal can recruit. Lanning can recruit. Oregon can recruit. Miami can recruit

So far Cristo is a better coach than Lannbo because he beat UW and Oregon State with his highly rated recruits and Lannbo didn't

My only point being, when you're at a school that doesn't historically dominate the headlines, it's not good enough to say, "Well, you can't get 5 stars to Eugene." Allegedly what Scott Frost said back in the day. Loser talk. Cristo brought in talent to fucking Rutgers. Someday, somebody's going to say the same thing about Washington, if they haven't already: "well, you can't expect us to bring in 5* talent; we're not a selector school."

It's a talent and a work ethic thing. I believe there are really and truly lazy recruiters and guysms who just aren't good at it. They're just not! Kelly was reputed to be both.

Anyway, my response to LSkid's theory, which is more fatalistic than my own.

I used your post to take a shot at Lanning

There have been internet battles going back years between those who say UW can do whatever it wants if it wants to and those who cry WE CAN'T

DeBoer and staff appear to be pretty good at this recruiting stuff. They needed a big year on the field and they cashed it in

Will be interesting going forward

theLSkid

creepycoug said:

theLSkid said:

creepycoug said:

theLSkid said:

There are no longer “dream schools” just selector schools.
For example, Kalen has probably spent 2-2 1/2 years on SD Wonderboy, but tOSU came to one game and flew him out to lose to UM and he still went to tOSU, why? they can select their athletes.
Bama, tOSU, Georgia, all selector schools, maybe you can throw in LSU in years past but not with Kelly at the helm.
What’s nice about the Presley flip is that it proves that UO isn’t a selector school, they can get the NIL kids but they aren’t beating out the top tier teams for talent, at least not often.

So "selector school" means you can go toe to toe with one of those other schools and expect to win no matter what?

Is it really selector school or selector recruiter?

If Oregon State spends 3 years with an in-state recruit and the day before signing day Nick Saban offers him; he’s going to Alabama. That’s a selector school.

Alabama has a new set of assistants every year and they still pull top 3 classes; I think you’re overestimating the “top tier” recruiters. For example, hartline at tOSU, is he really a good recruiter? He’s had a couple of dudes, but they would’ve ended up at tOSU regardless of whether or not he was there because Day’s offense is highly conducive to WRs getting drafted.

Cristobal just pulled in a top 5 class in a down year for south florida recruiting (meaning he had to pull it in from places where the kids don't grow up on steady diet of "swagger". He's at a program that has been dreadful the past handful of years, a program that just came off a horrible and embarrassing season, and a program that hasn't done more than have spurts of "good" the last 18. And there are plenty of kids in that class that Bama and Buck wanted.

Obviously, talented recruiter + Mt. Rushmore name is the best situation. But recruiting ability is a talent, and not everybody has it.

John Ruiz is the best recruiter at Miami… and it’s not even close.

tOSU isn’t a selector like it used to be because their NIL is complete dogshit, which will eventually be a reason NIL gets capped.

Nobody in their right mind wants to play for the Josh Gattis “Spread ur cheeks and lose for weeks” offense, but when you can buy a car, a house, and provide for your family, NO shit they’re gonna Miami.

creepycoug

theLSkid said:

creepycoug said:

theLSkid said:

creepycoug said:

theLSkid said:

There are no longer “dream schools” just selector schools.
For example, Kalen has probably spent 2-2 1/2 years on SD Wonderboy, but tOSU came to one game and flew him out to lose to UM and he still went to tOSU, why? they can select their athletes.
Bama, tOSU, Georgia, all selector schools, maybe you can throw in LSU in years past but not with Kelly at the helm.
What’s nice about the Presley flip is that it proves that UO isn’t a selector school, they can get the NIL kids but they aren’t beating out the top tier teams for talent, at least not often.

So "selector school" means you can go toe to toe with one of those other schools and expect to win no matter what?

Is it really selector school or selector recruiter?

If Oregon State spends 3 years with an in-state recruit and the day before signing day Nick Saban offers him; he’s going to Alabama. That’s a selector school.

Alabama has a new set of assistants every year and they still pull top 3 classes; I think you’re overestimating the “top tier” recruiters. For example, hartline at tOSU, is he really a good recruiter? He’s had a couple of dudes, but they would’ve ended up at tOSU regardless of whether or not he was there because Day’s offense is highly conducive to WRs getting drafted.

Cristobal just pulled in a top 5 class in a down year for south florida recruiting (meaning he had to pull it in from places where the kids don't grow up on steady diet of "swagger". He's at a program that has been dreadful the past handful of years, a program that just came off a horrible and embarrassing season, and a program that hasn't done more than have spurts of "good" the last 18. And there are plenty of kids in that class that Bama and Buck wanted.

Obviously, talented recruiter + Mt. Rushmore name is the best situation. But recruiting ability is a talent, and not everybody has it.

John Ruiz is the best recruiter at Miami… and it’s not even close.

tOSU isn’t a selector like it used to be because their NIL is complete dogshit, which will eventually be a reason NIL gets capped.

Nobody in their right mind wants to play for the Josh Gattis “Spread ur cheeks and lose for weeks” offense, but when you can buy a car, a house, and provide for your family, NO shit they’re gonna Miami.

Well, sure. But that doesn't mean Cristobal isn't himself a great recruiter. His resume spans long before NIL and speaks for itself. Nobody before him recruited to Eugene like he did.

Also, while Miami is among the top in average spend, according to this ranking, they are outspent by others who have also had a lot of recent success and still recruited on par with them. Take Ohio State. Average NIL is $98 k. Miami's is $92 k. Ohio State spends a little more and (arguably) more importantly has had much more success during the lifetimes of the kids being recruited. So if Buck is spending the bucks and Buck football is appreciably more successful than Miami football over the last forever, then how does Miami recruit with them? Lazy Chip spends $68 k and is all the way down at 29, with all the recruiting advantages UCLA brings to the table. He's being outperformed in recruiting by cheapskates like Washington (26), Ole Miss (27), North Carolina (28), Tex Tech (25), Ute (24), Miss State (23), Ark, Mich, FSU TCU, MSU and South Carolina.

And Alabama and Georgia are the top two spenders, again, according to this ranking. Is it because they've been successful? Good recruiters? NIL?

Ask yourself this question. How many things in life thus far have proven to you to be explained by one monolithic factor or variable that overrides everything? For example, if it is all about NIL, then you'd have expected Miami to have landed an elite outside WR, which they need, and they didn't. If they could've just bought one, they'd have bought one. It's not that simple.

I've found most things involve a multitude influencing factors and that most things are more subtle. Except for abortion. That's black and white.

https://www.on3.com/db/rankings/consensus-team/football/2023/

creepycoug

RaceBannon said:

creepycoug said:

RaceBannon said:

creepycoug said:

theLSkid said:

creepycoug said:

theLSkid said:

There are no longer “dream schools” just selector schools.
For example, Kalen has probably spent 2-2 1/2 years on SD Wonderboy, but tOSU came to one game and flew him out to lose to UM and he still went to tOSU, why? they can select their athletes.
Bama, tOSU, Georgia, all selector schools, maybe you can throw in LSU in years past but not with Kelly at the helm.
What’s nice about the Presley flip is that it proves that UO isn’t a selector school, they can get the NIL kids but they aren’t beating out the top tier teams for talent, at least not often.

So "selector school" means you can go toe to toe with one of those other schools and expect to win no matter what?

Is it really selector school or selector recruiter?

If Oregon State spends 3 years with an in-state recruit and the day before signing day Nick Saban offers him; he’s going to Alabama. That’s a selector school.

Alabama has a new set of assistants every year and they still pull top 3 classes; I think you’re overestimating the “top tier” recruiters. For example, hartline at tOSU, is he really a good recruiter? He’s had a couple of dudes, but they would’ve ended up at tOSU regardless of whether or not he was there because Day’s offense is highly conducive to WRs getting drafted.

Cristobal just pulled in a top 5 class in a down year for south florida recruiting (meaning he had to pull it in from places where the kids don't grow up on steady diet of "swagger". He's at a program that has been dreadful the past handful of years, a program that just came off a horrible and embarrassing season, and a program that hasn't done more than have spurts of "good" the last 18. And there are plenty of kids in that class that Bama and Buck wanted.

Obviously, talented recruiter + Mt. Rushmore name is the best situation. But recruiting ability is a talent, and not everybody has it.

It's really too bad that all his great recruits at Oregon had to portal out this year because Lanning needs time to get his own highly rated recruits in to try and not lose to UW and Oregon State

Cristobal can recruit. Lanning can recruit. Oregon can recruit. Miami can recruit

So far Cristo is a better coach than Lannbo because he beat UW and Oregon State with his highly rated recruits and Lannbo didn't

My only point being, when you're at a school that doesn't historically dominate the headlines, it's not good enough to say, "Well, you can't get 5 stars to Eugene." Allegedly what Scott Frost said back in the day. Loser talk. Cristo brought in talent to fucking Rutgers. Someday, somebody's going to say the same thing about Washington, if they haven't already: "well, you can't expect us to bring in 5* talent; we're not a selector school."

It's a talent and a work ethic thing. I believe there are really and truly lazy recruiters and guysms who just aren't good at it. They're just not! Kelly was reputed to be both.

Anyway, my response to LSkid's theory, which is more fatalistic than my own.

I used your post to take a shot at Lanning

There have been internet battles going back years between those who say UW can do whatever it wants if it wants to and those who cry WE CAN'T

DeBoer and staff appear to be pretty good at this recruiting stuff. They needed a big year on the field and they cashed it in

Will be interesting going forward

Stop using me bro!

haie

RaceBannon said:

creepycoug said:

RaceBannon said:

creepycoug said:

theLSkid said:

creepycoug said:

theLSkid said:

There are no longer “dream schools” just selector schools.
For example, Kalen has probably spent 2-2 1/2 years on SD Wonderboy, but tOSU came to one game and flew him out to lose to UM and he still went to tOSU, why? they can select their athletes.
Bama, tOSU, Georgia, all selector schools, maybe you can throw in LSU in years past but not with Kelly at the helm.
What’s nice about the Presley flip is that it proves that UO isn’t a selector school, they can get the NIL kids but they aren’t beating out the top tier teams for talent, at least not often.

So "selector school" means you can go toe to toe with one of those other schools and expect to win no matter what?

Is it really selector school or selector recruiter?

If Oregon State spends 3 years with an in-state recruit and the day before signing day Nick Saban offers him; he’s going to Alabama. That’s a selector school.

Alabama has a new set of assistants every year and they still pull top 3 classes; I think you’re overestimating the “top tier” recruiters. For example, hartline at tOSU, is he really a good recruiter? He’s had a couple of dudes, but they would’ve ended up at tOSU regardless of whether or not he was there because Day’s offense is highly conducive to WRs getting drafted.

Cristobal just pulled in a top 5 class in a down year for south florida recruiting (meaning he had to pull it in from places where the kids don't grow up on steady diet of "swagger". He's at a program that has been dreadful the past handful of years, a program that just came off a horrible and embarrassing season, and a program that hasn't done more than have spurts of "good" the last 18. And there are plenty of kids in that class that Bama and Buck wanted.

Obviously, talented recruiter + Mt. Rushmore name is the best situation. But recruiting ability is a talent, and not everybody has it.

It's really too bad that all his great recruits at Oregon had to portal out this year because Lanning needs time to get his own highly rated recruits in to try and not lose to UW and Oregon State

Cristobal can recruit. Lanning can recruit. Oregon can recruit. Miami can recruit

So far Cristo is a better coach than Lannbo because he beat UW and Oregon State with his highly rated recruits and Lannbo didn't

My only point being, when you're at a school that doesn't historically dominate the headlines, it's not good enough to say, "Well, you can't get 5 stars to Eugene." Allegedly what Scott Frost said back in the day. Loser talk. Cristo brought in talent to fucking Rutgers. Someday, somebody's going to say the same thing about Washington, if they haven't already: "well, you can't expect us to bring in 5* talent; we're not a selector school."

It's a talent and a work ethic thing. I believe there are really and truly lazy recruiters and guysms who just aren't good at it. They're just not! Kelly was reputed to be both.

Anyway, my response to LSkid's theory, which is more fatalistic than my own.

I used your post to take a shot at Lanning

There have been internet battles going back years between those who say UW can do whatever it wants if it wants to and those who cry WE CAN'T

DeBoer and staff appear to be pretty good at this recruiting stuff. They needed a big year on the field and they cashed it in

Will be interesting going forward

He leaves his ego at the door. Doesn't seem to try and sell kids. As long as UW plays their part which it looks like they are this should be the worst class he'll have here going forward. This class is already better than many of Pete's classes.