Elite coaches should be able to get atleast one upset/surprise/big win in 5 years, even if they luck into it. even with slightly deficient talent
UW will never have the institutional culture, structure or support that the schools in the South have created. NEVER. .
Lou Holtz was brilliant at ND in this perspective.
Second point, is almost a non-starter. The loser mentality of Seattle will always lower the ceiling, especially with the “progressives” on campus, which is an additional battle any UW Coach has to battle, while others are spending their energy reloading.
How exactly is Petersen battling campus progressives?
@MikeDamone addressed this the other day: there is no "war" to fight with campus progressives. All teams in the Pac 12 not named Stanford are recruiting the same kids, even Cal. Other than that weird PE thing that Washington has (which as I recall is an issue with JC xfers), we? access the same kids regardless of academis. They have to meet minimums.
I heard a UW assistant coach or player giving an interview where he was trying to make it sound like Washington had the same handicap that Stanford deals with. They do not.
So if USC, which as a school is harder to get into than Washington, can pull in the talent necessary to win big, then there is no institutional barrier preventing from Washington doing so. They? just need to close the deal.
What other support do you mean? Washington has never had more money than it does today, it has a new and beautiful stadium, it's in a city that is much more well known than it has been historically, it has good enuff facilities ... what are we talking about here? If you mean we? don't have alumni lurking around paying D tackle recruits $100k to sign, well, sure, that's true, and Bama does. I don't know what to tell you about that.
UW has always been embarrassed by the thought of being a football factory or school
That lays on the head of the coach. Its why Petersen got hired. They still go with the we win the right way bullshit. James was a threat to the president
This is NOT unique to UW but is different from say the SEC
I contend that the recent misfortune at Oregon is for the same reason. Getting secret probation for Chip buying players caused the Admin to pull back the reigns
UW has been behind Oregon since the 90's in marketing, facilities and recruiting
Pretty good is good enough. ND fired Ty after three years, UW gave him 4 to get Owen12
Bottom line and thanks for hopping on is that UW can't buy players without the risk of their own dropping a dime on them.
Never forget that Suzzallo got rid of Gil Dobie(who went on to win multiple championships for another school) for the same reasons uppercampus got rid of James. We might be BAMA! if it wasn't for uppercampus never being okay with their brand being sullied by the likes of football.
That’s one of the things I’ve never understood about UW...they seem hell bent on being thought of first and foremost as an academic powerhouse and sneer at athletics (with the exception of @YellowSnow’s beloved rowboat...but that’s only because it gets us hobnobbing with the Ivies). Guess what kids, we aren’t going to be thought of in the same breath as Stanford, etc. so embrace sportsball a little bit more. Lots of schools have shown you can have ABUNDANCE by having strong football/basketball programs *and* research/academic programs.
Fuck UW admissions
Just think about the fact that even @WeakarmCobra managed to get in.
Our university president isn't the same kind of anti-football egghead Gerbs was, is she? And Jen is about 1 milyun times better than that skanky ass whore Babs Hedges.
Hiring Pete wasn't really an egghead move - it was a hire a handful of blue chip schools would have made in a second.
Elite coaches should be able to get atleast one upset/surprise/big win in 5 years, even if they luck into it. even with slightly deficient talent
UW will never have the institutional culture, structure or support that the schools in the South have created. NEVER. .
Lou Holtz was brilliant at ND in this perspective.
Second point, is almost a non-starter. The loser mentality of Seattle will always lower the ceiling, especially with the “progressives” on campus, which is an additional battle any UW Coach has to battle, while others are spending their energy reloading.
How exactly is Petersen battling campus progressives?
@MikeDamone addressed this the other day: there is no "war" to fight with campus progressives. All teams in the Pac 12 not named Stanford are recruiting the same kids, even Cal. Other than that weird PE thing that Washington has (which as I recall is an issue with JC xfers), we? access the same kids regardless of academis. They have to meet minimums.
I heard a UW assistant coach or player giving an interview where he was trying to make it sound like Washington had the same handicap that Stanford deals with. They do not.
So if USC, which as a school is harder to get into than Washington, can pull in the talent necessary to win big, then there is no institutional barrier preventing from Washington doing so. They? just need to close the deal.
What other support do you mean? Washington has never had more money than it does today, it has a new and beautiful stadium, it's in a city that is much more well known than it has been historically, it has good enuff facilities ... what are we talking about here? If you mean we? don't have alumni lurking around paying D tackle recruits $100k to sign, well, sure, that's true, and Bama does. I don't know what to tell you about that.
UW has always been embarrassed by the thought of being a football factory or school
That lays on the head of the coach. Its why Petersen got hired. They still go with the we win the right way bullshit. James was a threat to the president
This is NOT unique to UW but is different from say the SEC
I contend that the recent misfortune at Oregon is for the same reason. Getting secret probation for Chip buying players caused the Admin to pull back the reigns
UW has been behind Oregon since the 90's in marketing, facilities and recruiting
Pretty good is good enough. ND fired Ty after three years, UW gave him 4 to get Owen12
Bottom line and thanks for hopping on is that UW can't buy players without the risk of their own dropping a dime on them.
Never forget that Suzzallo got rid of Gil Dobie(who went on to win multiple championships for another school) for the same reasons uppercampus got rid of James. We might be BAMA! if it wasn't for uppercampus never being okay with their brand being sullied by the likes of football.
That’s one of the things I’ve never understood about UW...they seem hell bent on being thought of first and foremost as an academic powerhouse and sneer at athletics (with the exception of @YellowSnow’s beloved rowboat...but that’s only because it gets us hobnobbing with the Ivies). Guess what kids, we aren’t going to be thought of in the same breath as Stanford, etc. so embrace sportsball a little bit more. Lots of schools have shown you can have ABUNDANCE by having strong football/basketball programs *and* research/academic programs.
Our university president isn't the same kind of anti-football egghead Gerbs was, is she? And Jen is about 1 milyun times better than that skanky ass whore Babs Hedges.
Hiring Pete wasn't really an egghead move - it was a hire a handful of blue chip schools would have made in a second.
I'm not freaking out yet. Almost though.
I don’t think Cauce is anti football either, and so far Cohen has done a decent job guiding the AD (marketing team excepted). Still, there’s a lot more work to do.
Elite coaches should be able to get atleast one upset/surprise/big win in 5 years, even if they luck into it. even with slightly deficient talent
UW will never have the institutional culture, structure or support that the schools in the South have created. NEVER. .
Lou Holtz was brilliant at ND in this perspective.
Second point, is almost a non-starter. The loser mentality of Seattle will always lower the ceiling, especially with the “progressives” on campus, which is an additional battle any UW Coach has to battle, while others are spending their energy reloading.
How exactly is Petersen battling campus progressives?
@MikeDamone addressed this the other day: there is no "war" to fight with campus progressives. All teams in the Pac 12 not named Stanford are recruiting the same kids, even Cal. Other than that weird PE thing that Washington has (which as I recall is an issue with JC xfers), we? access the same kids regardless of academis. They have to meet minimums.
I heard a UW assistant coach or player giving an interview where he was trying to make it sound like Washington had the same handicap that Stanford deals with. They do not.
So if USC, which as a school is harder to get into than Washington, can pull in the talent necessary to win big, then there is no institutional barrier preventing from Washington doing so. They? just need to close the deal.
What other support do you mean? Washington has never had more money than it does today, it has a new and beautiful stadium, it's in a city that is much more well known than it has been historically, it has good enuff facilities ... what are we talking about here? If you mean we? don't have alumni lurking around paying D tackle recruits $100k to sign, well, sure, that's true, and Bama does. I don't know what to tell you about that.
UW has always been embarrassed by the thought of being a football factory or school
That lays on the head of the coach. Its why Petersen got hired. They still go with the we win the right way bullshit. James was a threat to the president
This is NOT unique to UW but is different from say the SEC
I contend that the recent misfortune at Oregon is for the same reason. Getting secret probation for Chip buying players caused the Admin to pull back the reigns
UW has been behind Oregon since the 90's in marketing, facilities and recruiting
Pretty good is good enough. ND fired Ty after three years, UW gave him 4 to get Owen12
Bottom line and thanks for hopping on is that UW can't buy players without the risk of their own dropping a dime on them.
Never forget that Suzzallo got rid of Gil Dobie(who went on to win multiple championships for another school) for the same reasons uppercampus got rid of James. We might be BAMA! if it wasn't for uppercampus never being okay with their brand being sullied by the likes of football.
That’s one of the things I’ve never understood about UW...they seem hell bent on being thought of first and foremost as an academic powerhouse and sneer at athletics (with the exception of @YellowSnow’s beloved rowboat...but that’s only because it gets us hobnobbing with the Ivies). Guess what kids, we aren’t going to be thought of in the same breath as Stanford, etc. so embrace sportsball a little bit more. Lots of schools have shown you can have ABUNDANCE by having strong football/basketball programs *and* research/academic programs.
Fuck UW admissions
Just think about the fact that even @WeakarmCobra managed to get in.
Elite coaches should be able to get atleast one upset/surprise/big win in 5 years, even if they luck into it. even with slightly deficient talent
UW will never have the institutional culture, structure or support that the schools in the South have created. NEVER. .
Lou Holtz was brilliant at ND in this perspective.
Second point, is almost a non-starter. The loser mentality of Seattle will always lower the ceiling, especially with the “progressives” on campus, which is an additional battle any UW Coach has to battle, while others are spending their energy reloading.
How exactly is Petersen battling campus progressives?
@MikeDamone addressed this the other day: there is no "war" to fight with campus progressives. All teams in the Pac 12 not named Stanford are recruiting the same kids, even Cal. Other than that weird PE thing that Washington has (which as I recall is an issue with JC xfers), we? access the same kids regardless of academis. They have to meet minimums.
I heard a UW assistant coach or player giving an interview where he was trying to make it sound like Washington had the same handicap that Stanford deals with. They do not.
So if USC, which as a school is harder to get into than Washington, can pull in the talent necessary to win big, then there is no institutional barrier preventing from Washington doing so. They? just need to close the deal.
What other support do you mean? Washington has never had more money than it does today, it has a new and beautiful stadium, it's in a city that is much more well known than it has been historically, it has good enuff facilities ... what are we talking about here? If you mean we? don't have alumni lurking around paying D tackle recruits $100k to sign, well, sure, that's true, and Bama does. I don't know what to tell you about that.
UW has always been embarrassed by the thought of being a football factory or school
That lays on the head of the coach. Its why Petersen got hired. They still go with the we win the right way bullshit. James was a threat to the president
This is NOT unique to UW but is different from say the SEC
I contend that the recent misfortune at Oregon is for the same reason. Getting secret probation for Chip buying players caused the Admin to pull back the reigns
UW has been behind Oregon since the 90's in marketing, facilities and recruiting
Pretty good is good enough. ND fired Ty after three years, UW gave him 4 to get Owen12
Bottom line and thanks for hopping on is that UW can't buy players without the risk of their own dropping a dime on them.
Never forget that Suzzallo got rid of Gil Dobie(who went on to win multiple championships for another school) for the same reasons uppercampus got rid of James. We might be BAMA! if it wasn't for uppercampus never being okay with their brand being sullied by the likes of football.
That’s one of the things I’ve never understood about UW...they seem hell bent on being thought of first and foremost as an academic powerhouse and sneer at athletics (with the exception of @YellowSnow’s beloved rowboat...but that’s only because it gets us hobnobbing with the Ivies). Guess what kids, we aren’t going to be thought of in the same breath as Stanford, etc. so embrace sportsball a little bit more. Lots of schools have shown you can have ABUNDANCE by having strong football/basketball programs *and* research/academic programs.
Fuck UW admissions
Just think about the fact that even @WeakarmCobra managed to get in.
Elite coaches should be able to get atleast one upset/surprise/big win in 5 years, even if they luck into it. even with slightly deficient talent
UW will never have the institutional culture, structure or support that the schools in the South have created. NEVER. .
Lou Holtz was brilliant at ND in this perspective.
Second point, is almost a non-starter. The loser mentality of Seattle will always lower the ceiling, especially with the “progressives” on campus, which is an additional battle any UW Coach has to battle, while others are spending their energy reloading.
How exactly is Petersen battling campus progressives?
@MikeDamone addressed this the other day: there is no "war" to fight with campus progressives. All teams in the Pac 12 not named Stanford are recruiting the same kids, even Cal. Other than that weird PE thing that Washington has (which as I recall is an issue with JC xfers), we? access the same kids regardless of academis. They have to meet minimums.
I heard a UW assistant coach or player giving an interview where he was trying to make it sound like Washington had the same handicap that Stanford deals with. They do not.
So if USC, which as a school is harder to get into than Washington, can pull in the talent necessary to win big, then there is no institutional barrier preventing from Washington doing so. They? just need to close the deal.
What other support do you mean? Washington has never had more money than it does today, it has a new and beautiful stadium, it's in a city that is much more well known than it has been historically, it has good enuff facilities ... what are we talking about here? If you mean we? don't have alumni lurking around paying D tackle recruits $100k to sign, well, sure, that's true, and Bama does. I don't know what to tell you about that.
UW has always been embarrassed by the thought of being a football factory or school
That lays on the head of the coach. Its why Petersen got hired. They still go with the we win the right way bullshit. James was a threat to the president
This is NOT unique to UW but is different from say the SEC
I contend that the recent misfortune at Oregon is for the same reason. Getting secret probation for Chip buying players caused the Admin to pull back the reigns
UW has been behind Oregon since the 90's in marketing, facilities and recruiting
Pretty good is good enough. ND fired Ty after three years, UW gave him 4 to get Owen12
Bottom line and thanks for hopping on is that UW can't buy players without the risk of their own dropping a dime on them.
Never forget that Suzzallo got rid of Gil Dobie(who went on to win multiple championships for another school) for the same reasons uppercampus got rid of James. We might be BAMA! if it wasn't for uppercampus never being okay with their brand being sullied by the likes of football.
That’s one of the things I’ve never understood about UW...they seem hell bent on being thought of first and foremost as an academic powerhouse and sneer at athletics (with the exception of @YellowSnow’s beloved rowboat...but that’s only because it gets us hobnobbing with the Ivies). Guess what kids, we aren’t going to be thought of in the same breath as Stanford, etc. so embrace sportsball a little bit more. Lots of schools have shown you can have ABUNDANCE by having strong football/basketball programs *and* research/academic programs.
Fuck UW admissions
Just think about the fact that even @WeakarmCobra managed to get in.
Elite coaches should be able to get atleast one upset/surprise/big win in 5 years, even if they luck into it. even with slightly deficient talent
UW will never have the institutional culture, structure or support that the schools in the South have created. NEVER. .
Lou Holtz was brilliant at ND in this perspective.
Second point, is almost a non-starter. The loser mentality of Seattle will always lower the ceiling, especially with the “progressives” on campus, which is an additional battle any UW Coach has to battle, while others are spending their energy reloading.
How exactly is Petersen battling campus progressives?
@MikeDamone addressed this the other day: there is no "war" to fight with campus progressives. All teams in the Pac 12 not named Stanford are recruiting the same kids, even Cal. Other than that weird PE thing that Washington has (which as I recall is an issue with JC xfers), we? access the same kids regardless of academis. They have to meet minimums.
I heard a UW assistant coach or player giving an interview where he was trying to make it sound like Washington had the same handicap that Stanford deals with. They do not.
So if USC, which as a school is harder to get into than Washington, can pull in the talent necessary to win big, then there is no institutional barrier preventing from Washington doing so. They? just need to close the deal.
What other support do you mean? Washington has never had more money than it does today, it has a new and beautiful stadium, it's in a city that is much more well known than it has been historically, it has good enuff facilities ... what are we talking about here? If you mean we? don't have alumni lurking around paying D tackle recruits $100k to sign, well, sure, that's true, and Bama does. I don't know what to tell you about that.
UW has always been embarrassed by the thought of being a football factory or school
That lays on the head of the coach. Its why Petersen got hired. They still go with the we win the right way bullshit. James was a threat to the president
This is NOT unique to UW but is different from say the SEC
I contend that the recent misfortune at Oregon is for the same reason. Getting secret probation for Chip buying players caused the Admin to pull back the reigns
UW has been behind Oregon since the 90's in marketing, facilities and recruiting
Pretty good is good enough. ND fired Ty after three years, UW gave him 4 to get Owen12
Bottom line and thanks for hopping on is that UW can't buy players without the risk of their own dropping a dime on them.
Never forget that Suzzallo got rid of Gil Dobie(who went on to win multiple championships for another school) for the same reasons uppercampus got rid of James. We might be BAMA! if it wasn't for uppercampus never being okay with their brand being sullied by the likes of football.
That’s one of the things I’ve never understood about UW...they seem hell bent on being thought of first and foremost as an academic powerhouse and sneer at athletics (with the exception of @YellowSnow’s beloved rowboat...but that’s only because it gets us hobnobbing with the Ivies). Guess what kids, we aren’t going to be thought of in the same breath as Stanford, etc. so embrace sportsball a little bit more. Lots of schools have shown you can have ABUNDANCE by having strong football/basketball programs *and* research/academic programs.
Our university president isn't the same kind of anti-football egghead Gerbs was, is she? And Jen is about 1 milyun times better than that skanky ass whore Babs Hedges.
Hiring Pete wasn't really an egghead move - it was a hire a handful of blue chip schools would have made in a second.
I'm not freaking out yet. Almost though.
I don’t think Cauce is anti football either, and so far Cohen has done a decent job guiding the AD (marketing team excepted). Still, there’s a lot more work to do.
Petersen is David Shaw until proven otherwise. A stubborn, offensive-minded coach that runs his system to a fault. The difference is Shaw has won the big game (though his Rose Bowls were against Iowa and Wisconsin) and we haven't (Bama, Penn State, OSU).
Both teams will be in contention to win the North every year, but sometimes the results leave a lot to be desired.
Shaw benefitted from inheriting a good team and Andrew Luck, but he was able to beat Oregon when they were on top and get 2 Rose Bowl W's. Petersen benefitted from a shit conference and winning against teams we? should beat, but shitting the bed in the big games.
To date, Shaw>Petersen
Is he though? To say Shaw is better you have to a) only count big bowl games b) not count Pete's time at Boise.
If you only look at the five years Pete has been at UW it's as close to an even match as you're going to find.
Shaws last 5 years at Stanford:
1 Conference title 1 1/2 Division titles 3 ranked finishes (3, 12, 19.5 for an average of 11.5) 1-0 in NY6 Bowls - beat Iowa 0 Playoff appearances Conference record: 32-13 (71.1) Conference title game record: 1-1 Head to head: 3-2
Petes first 5 years at UW:
2 Conference titles 2 Division titles 3 ranked finishes (4, 15.5, 13 for an average of 10.8) 0-3 in NY6 Bowls 1 Playoff appearance Conference record: 30-15 (66.7) Conference title game record: 2-0 Head to head: 2-3
And that's without giving Pete any credit for taking over a program from Sark. If you only look at the last 3 years since Pete has established himself at UW it skews pretty heavy to Pete: 2 conference championships to zero, 3 ranked finishes to 2, 1 top 5 finish to zero, 2 division titles to 1/2, 2-1 head to head, etc.
I think you can fairly say "to date Shaw = Pete". But anyone looking at the trend line is going to take Pete going forward.
Elite coaches should be able to get atleast one upset/surprise/big win in 5 years, even if they luck into it. even with slightly deficient talent
UW will never have the institutional culture, structure or support that the schools in the South have created. NEVER. .
Lou Holtz was brilliant at ND in this perspective.
Second point, is almost a non-starter. The loser mentality of Seattle will always lower the ceiling, especially with the “progressives” on campus, which is an additional battle any UW Coach has to battle, while others are spending their energy reloading.
How exactly is Petersen battling campus progressives?
@MikeDamone addressed this the other day: there is no "war" to fight with campus progressives. All teams in the Pac 12 not named Stanford are recruiting the same kids, even Cal. Other than that weird PE thing that Washington has (which as I recall is an issue with JC xfers), we? access the same kids regardless of academis. They have to meet minimums.
I heard a UW assistant coach or player giving an interview where he was trying to make it sound like Washington had the same handicap that Stanford deals with. They do not.
So if USC, which as a school is harder to get into than Washington, can pull in the talent necessary to win big, then there is no institutional barrier preventing from Washington doing so. They? just need to close the deal.
What other support do you mean? Washington has never had more money than it does today, it has a new and beautiful stadium, it's in a city that is much more well known than it has been historically, it has good enuff facilities ... what are we talking about here? If you mean we? don't have alumni lurking around paying D tackle recruits $100k to sign, well, sure, that's true, and Bama does. I don't know what to tell you about that.
UW has always been embarrassed by the thought of being a football factory or school
That lays on the head of the coach. Its why Petersen got hired. They still go with the we win the right way bullshit. James was a threat to the president
This is NOT unique to UW but is different from say the SEC
I contend that the recent misfortune at Oregon is for the same reason. Getting secret probation for Chip buying players caused the Admin to pull back the reigns
UW has been behind Oregon since the 90's in marketing, facilities and recruiting
Pretty good is good enough. ND fired Ty after three years, UW gave him 4 to get Owen12
Bottom line and thanks for hopping on is that UW can't buy players without the risk of their own dropping a dime on them.
Never forget that Suzzallo got rid of Gil Dobie(who went on to win multiple championships for another school) for the same reasons uppercampus got rid of James. We might be BAMA! if it wasn't for uppercampus never being okay with their brand being sullied by the likes of football.
That’s one of the things I’ve never understood about UW...they seem hell bent on being thought of first and foremost as an academic powerhouse and sneer at athletics (with the exception of @YellowSnow’s beloved rowboat...but that’s only because it gets us hobnobbing with the Ivies). Guess what kids, we aren’t going to be thought of in the same breath as Stanford, etc. so embrace sportsball a little bit more. Lots of schools have shown you can have ABUNDANCE by having strong football/basketball programs *and* research/academic programs.
Fuck UW admissions
Just think about the fact that even @WeakarmCobra managed to get in.
Hey prestigious ND didn’t take me, so I had to settle for UW. Hahah fudgepack
Elite coaches should be able to get atleast one upset/surprise/big win in 5 years, even if they luck into it. even with slightly deficient talent
UW will never have the institutional culture, structure or support that the schools in the South have created. NEVER. .
Lou Holtz was brilliant at ND in this perspective.
Second point, is almost a non-starter. The loser mentality of Seattle will always lower the ceiling, especially with the “progressives” on campus, which is an additional battle any UW Coach has to battle, while others are spending their energy reloading.
How exactly is Petersen battling campus progressives?
@MikeDamone addressed this the other day: there is no "war" to fight with campus progressives. All teams in the Pac 12 not named Stanford are recruiting the same kids, even Cal. Other than that weird PE thing that Washington has (which as I recall is an issue with JC xfers), we? access the same kids regardless of academis. They have to meet minimums.
I heard a UW assistant coach or player giving an interview where he was trying to make it sound like Washington had the same handicap that Stanford deals with. They do not.
So if USC, which as a school is harder to get into than Washington, can pull in the talent necessary to win big, then there is no institutional barrier preventing from Washington doing so. They? just need to close the deal.
What other support do you mean? Washington has never had more money than it does today, it has a new and beautiful stadium, it's in a city that is much more well known than it has been historically, it has good enuff facilities ... what are we talking about here? If you mean we? don't have alumni lurking around paying D tackle recruits $100k to sign, well, sure, that's true, and Bama does. I don't know what to tell you about that.
UW has always been embarrassed by the thought of being a football factory or school
That lays on the head of the coach. Its why Petersen got hired. They still go with the we win the right way bullshit. James was a threat to the president
This is NOT unique to UW but is different from say the SEC
I contend that the recent misfortune at Oregon is for the same reason. Getting secret probation for Chip buying players caused the Admin to pull back the reigns
UW has been behind Oregon since the 90's in marketing, facilities and recruiting
Pretty good is good enough. ND fired Ty after three years, UW gave him 4 to get Owen12
Bottom line and thanks for hopping on is that UW can't buy players without the risk of their own dropping a dime on them.
Never forget that Suzzallo got rid of Gil Dobie(who went on to win multiple championships for another school) for the same reasons uppercampus got rid of James. We might be BAMA! if it wasn't for uppercampus never being okay with their brand being sullied by the likes of football.
That’s one of the things I’ve never understood about UW...they seem hell bent on being thought of first and foremost as an academic powerhouse and sneer at athletics (with the exception of @YellowSnow’s beloved rowboat...but that’s only because it gets us hobnobbing with the Ivies). Guess what kids, we aren’t going to be thought of in the same breath as Stanford, etc. so embrace sportsball a little bit more. Lots of schools have shown you can have ABUNDANCE by having strong football/basketball programs *and* research/academic programs.
Fuck UW admissions
Just think about the fact that even @WeakarmCobra managed to get in.
Elite coaches should be able to get atleast one upset/surprise/big win in 5 years, even if they luck into it. even with slightly deficient talent
UW will never have the institutional culture, structure or support that the schools in the South have created. NEVER. .
Lou Holtz was brilliant at ND in this perspective.
Second point, is almost a non-starter. The loser mentality of Seattle will always lower the ceiling, especially with the “progressives” on campus, which is an additional battle any UW Coach has to battle, while others are spending their energy reloading.
How exactly is Petersen battling campus progressives?
@MikeDamone addressed this the other day: there is no "war" to fight with campus progressives. All teams in the Pac 12 not named Stanford are recruiting the same kids, even Cal. Other than that weird PE thing that Washington has (which as I recall is an issue with JC xfers), we? access the same kids regardless of academis. They have to meet minimums.
I heard a UW assistant coach or player giving an interview where he was trying to make it sound like Washington had the same handicap that Stanford deals with. They do not.
So if USC, which as a school is harder to get into than Washington, can pull in the talent necessary to win big, then there is no institutional barrier preventing from Washington doing so. They? just need to close the deal.
What other support do you mean? Washington has never had more money than it does today, it has a new and beautiful stadium, it's in a city that is much more well known than it has been historically, it has good enuff facilities ... what are we talking about here? If you mean we? don't have alumni lurking around paying D tackle recruits $100k to sign, well, sure, that's true, and Bama does. I don't know what to tell you about that.
UW has always been embarrassed by the thought of being a football factory or school
That lays on the head of the coach. Its why Petersen got hired. They still go with the we win the right way bullshit. James was a threat to the president
This is NOT unique to UW but is different from say the SEC
I contend that the recent misfortune at Oregon is for the same reason. Getting secret probation for Chip buying players caused the Admin to pull back the reigns
UW has been behind Oregon since the 90's in marketing, facilities and recruiting
Pretty good is good enough. ND fired Ty after three years, UW gave him 4 to get Owen12
Bottom line and thanks for hopping on is that UW can't buy players without the risk of their own dropping a dime on them.
Never forget that Suzzallo got rid of Gil Dobie(who went on to win multiple championships for another school) for the same reasons uppercampus got rid of James. We might be BAMA! if it wasn't for uppercampus never being okay with their brand being sullied by the likes of football.
That’s one of the things I’ve never understood about UW...they seem hell bent on being thought of first and foremost as an academic powerhouse and sneer at athletics (with the exception of @YellowSnow’s beloved rowboat...but that’s only because it gets us hobnobbing with the Ivies). Guess what kids, we aren’t going to be thought of in the same breath as Stanford, etc. so embrace sportsball a little bit more. Lots of schools have shown you can have ABUNDANCE by having strong football/basketball programs *and* research/academic programs.
Fuck UW admissions
Just think about the fact that even @WeakarmCobra managed to get in.
Hey prestigious ND didn’t take me, so I had to settle for UW. Hahah fudgepack
Our university president isn't the same kind of anti-football egghead Gerbs was, is she? And Jen is about 1 milyun times better than that skanky ass whore Babs Hedges.
Hiring Pete wasn't really an egghead move - it was a hire a handful of blue chip schools would have made in a second.
I'm not freaking out yet. Almost though.
I don’t think Cauce is anti football either, and so far Cohen has done a decent job guiding the AD (marketing team excepted). Still, there’s a lot more work to do.
Elite coaches should be able to get atleast one upset/surprise/big win in 5 years, even if they luck into it. even with slightly deficient talent
UW will never have the institutional culture, structure or support that the schools in the South have created. NEVER. .
Lou Holtz was brilliant at ND in this perspective.
Second point, is almost a non-starter. The loser mentality of Seattle will always lower the ceiling, especially with the “progressives” on campus, which is an additional battle any UW Coach has to battle, while others are spending their energy reloading.
How exactly is Petersen battling campus progressives?
@MikeDamone addressed this the other day: there is no "war" to fight with campus progressives. All teams in the Pac 12 not named Stanford are recruiting the same kids, even Cal. Other than that weird PE thing that Washington has (which as I recall is an issue with JC xfers), we? access the same kids regardless of academis. They have to meet minimums.
I heard a UW assistant coach or player giving an interview where he was trying to make it sound like Washington had the same handicap that Stanford deals with. They do not.
So if USC, which as a school is harder to get into than Washington, can pull in the talent necessary to win big, then there is no institutional barrier preventing from Washington doing so. They? just need to close the deal.
What other support do you mean? Washington has never had more money than it does today, it has a new and beautiful stadium, it's in a city that is much more well known than it has been historically, it has good enuff facilities ... what are we talking about here? If you mean we? don't have alumni lurking around paying D tackle recruits $100k to sign, well, sure, that's true, and Bama does. I don't know what to tell you about that.
UW has always been embarrassed by the thought of being a football factory or school
That lays on the head of the coach. Its why Petersen got hired. They still go with the we win the right way bullshit. James was a threat to the president
This is NOT unique to UW but is different from say the SEC
I contend that the recent misfortune at Oregon is for the same reason. Getting secret probation for Chip buying players caused the Admin to pull back the reigns
UW has been behind Oregon since the 90's in marketing, facilities and recruiting
Pretty good is good enough. ND fired Ty after three years, UW gave him 4 to get Owen12
Bottom line and thanks for hopping on is that UW can't buy players without the risk of their own dropping a dime on them.
Never forget that Suzzallo got rid of Gil Dobie(who went on to win multiple championships for another school) for the same reasons uppercampus got rid of James. We might be BAMA! if it wasn't for uppercampus never being okay with their brand being sullied by the likes of football.
People like @Doog_de_Jour forget that when Uncle Race was a young man in the early 20th century, #myrowboat was king and a bigger deal at UW that leather helmet football. And that that fucking ivory tower feeg, Suzallo, did try hard to fire Hiram Coninbear, the crew corch for being too powerful and not enough into academis.
Elite coaches should be able to get atleast one upset/surprise/big win in 5 years, even if they luck into it. even with slightly deficient talent
UW will never have the institutional culture, structure or support that the schools in the South have created. NEVER. .
Lou Holtz was brilliant at ND in this perspective.
Second point, is almost a non-starter. The loser mentality of Seattle will always lower the ceiling, especially with the “progressives” on campus, which is an additional battle any UW Coach has to battle, while others are spending their energy reloading.
How exactly is Petersen battling campus progressives?
@MikeDamone addressed this the other day: there is no "war" to fight with campus progressives. All teams in the Pac 12 not named Stanford are recruiting the same kids, even Cal. Other than that weird PE thing that Washington has (which as I recall is an issue with JC xfers), we? access the same kids regardless of academis. They have to meet minimums.
I heard a UW assistant coach or player giving an interview where he was trying to make it sound like Washington had the same handicap that Stanford deals with. They do not.
So if USC, which as a school is harder to get into than Washington, can pull in the talent necessary to win big, then there is no institutional barrier preventing from Washington doing so. They? just need to close the deal.
What other support do you mean? Washington has never had more money than it does today, it has a new and beautiful stadium, it's in a city that is much more well known than it has been historically, it has good enuff facilities ... what are we talking about here? If you mean we? don't have alumni lurking around paying D tackle recruits $100k to sign, well, sure, that's true, and Bama does. I don't know what to tell you about that.
UW has always been embarrassed by the thought of being a football factory or school
That lays on the head of the coach. Its why Petersen got hired. They still go with the we win the right way bullshit. James was a threat to the president
This is NOT unique to UW but is different from say the SEC
I contend that the recent misfortune at Oregon is for the same reason. Getting secret probation for Chip buying players caused the Admin to pull back the reigns
UW has been behind Oregon since the 90's in marketing, facilities and recruiting
Pretty good is good enough. ND fired Ty after three years, UW gave him 4 to get Owen12
Bottom line and thanks for hopping on is that UW can't buy players without the risk of their own dropping a dime on them.
Never forget that Suzzallo got rid of Gil Dobie(who went on to win multiple championships for another school) for the same reasons uppercampus got rid of James. We might be BAMA! if it wasn't for uppercampus never being okay with their brand being sullied by the likes of football.
People like @Doog_de_Jour forget that when Uncle Race was a young man in the early 20th century, #myrowboat was king and a bigger deal at UW that leather helmet football. And that that fucking ivory tower feeg, Suzallo, did try hard to fire Hiram Coninbear, the crew corch for being too powerful and not enough into academis.
I knew rowboat was the marquee sport back in the day, but had no idea Suzallo tried to get the coach fired...
Our university president isn't the same kind of anti-football egghead Gerbs was, is she? And Jen is about 1 milyun times better than that skanky ass whore Babs Hedges.
Hiring Pete wasn't really an egghead move - it was a hire a handful of blue chip schools would have made in a second.
I'm not freaking out yet. Almost though.
I don’t think Cauce is anti football either, and so far Cohen has done a decent job guiding the AD (marketing team excepted). Still, there’s a lot more work to do.
WBB is in the same boat as the marketing team.
Hop was a great hire, Wynn notsomuch
I forgot about our Lady DAWGS. Good point.
I think Mrs Snow and @Doog_de_Jour were talking about starting the Lady Dwags Basketball Bored.
Our university president isn't the same kind of anti-football egghead Gerbs was, is she? And Jen is about 1 milyun times better than that skanky ass whore Babs Hedges.
Hiring Pete wasn't really an egghead move - it was a hire a handful of blue chip schools would have made in a second.
I'm not freaking out yet. Almost though.
I don’t think Cauce is anti football either, and so far Cohen has done a decent job guiding the AD (marketing team excepted). Still, there’s a lot more work to do.
WBB is in the same boat as the marketing team.
Hop was a great hire, Wynn notsomuch
I forgot about our Lady DAWGS. Good point.
I think Mrs Snow and @Doog_de_Jour were talking about starting the Lady Dwags Basketball Bored.
We were. I encouraged her to join our little hobby board ‘cause 1) I get lonely being one of the few lady poasters 2) your lovely wife seems awesome and clearly knows her shit.
However, I stressed she should only do so with your blessing. Last thing I’d ever want to do is sow discord in the Snow household.
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Hiring Pete wasn't really an egghead move - it was a hire a handful of blue chip schools would have made in a second.
I'm not freaking out yet. Almost though.
Hop was a great hire, Wynn notsomuch
If you only look at the five years Pete has been at UW it's as close to an even match as you're going to find.
Shaws last 5 years at Stanford:
1 Conference title
1 1/2 Division titles
3 ranked finishes (3, 12, 19.5 for an average of 11.5)
1-0 in NY6 Bowls - beat Iowa
0 Playoff appearances
Conference record: 32-13 (71.1)
Conference title game record: 1-1
Head to head: 3-2
Petes first 5 years at UW:
2 Conference titles
2 Division titles
3 ranked finishes (4, 15.5, 13 for an average of 10.8)
0-3 in NY6 Bowls
1 Playoff appearance
Conference record: 30-15 (66.7)
Conference title game record: 2-0
Head to head: 2-3
And that's without giving Pete any credit for taking over a program from Sark. If you only look at the last 3 years since Pete has established himself at UW it skews pretty heavy to Pete: 2 conference championships to zero, 3 ranked finishes to 2, 1 top 5 finish to zero, 2 division titles to 1/2, 2-1 head to head, etc.
I think you can fairly say "to date Shaw = Pete". But anyone looking at the trend line is going to take Pete going forward.
It's a pretty safe bet that Pete is better.
He out Shawed Shaw
Need to win down there now
...unlike Race, I wasn’t there.
However, I stressed she should only do so with your blessing. Last thing I’d ever want to do is sow discord in the Snow household.