Pete’s Don James moment
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He will always be in the hunt for the Pac 12 title because of how shitty the conference is... All the Major Programs must giggle when they see that they drew UW in a NY6 game... Pete has got smoked in 3 straight... Wonder what the record is for consecutive NY6 losses....
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Hopefully not just fluff, but it sounds like he gets the message.
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I'm still of the opinion that Browning is a huge limiting factor to the Offense's success bc of the inherent limitations he brings to the table. To use DDY's analogy of chefs and ingredients, there's only so much you can do to make a decent meal with rotten cabbage as the featured ingredient.
All that said, abandoning the run which seems to be a trend, is maddeningly fucking stupid. All the more so with a back as good as #MMFG. -
Get a OC that values first downs
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I honestly can't tell anymore if it is limitations from players (noodlearm) or limitations due to overly complex nonsensical playbook and play calling, or some combo thereof. I think Pete has so overcomplicated all this shit that even he can't see his way back to unfuck it now.UW_Doog_Bot said:I'm still of the opinion that Browning is a huge limiting factor to the Offense's success bc of the inherent limitations he brings to the table. To use DDY's analogy of chefs and ingredients, there's only so much you can do to make a decent meal with rotten cabbage as the featured ingredient.
All that said, abandoning the run which seems to be a trend, is maddeningly fucking stupid. All the more so with a back as good as #MMFG.
Blow it up. You got a prototype NFL QB now. Play like it. -
It's both a combination of talent and scheming. Talent is going to be upgraded over the next couple of years but will it matter if the scheme is still shit? That is what makes me nervous.Swaye said:
I honestly can't tell anymore if it is limitations from players (noodlearm) or limitations due to overly complex nonsensical playbook and play calling, or some combo thereof. I think Pete has so overcomplicated all this shit that even he can't see his way back to unfuck it now.UW_Doog_Bot said:I'm still of the opinion that Browning is a huge limiting factor to the Offense's success bc of the inherent limitations he brings to the table. To use DDY's analogy of chefs and ingredients, there's only so much you can do to make a decent meal with rotten cabbage as the featured ingredient.
All that said, abandoning the run which seems to be a trend, is maddeningly fucking stupid. All the more so with a back as good as #MMFG.
Blow it up. You got a prototype NFL QB now. Play like it. -
#metooCuntWaffle said:
It's both a combination of talent and scheming. Talent is going to be upgraded over the next couple of years but will it matter if the scheme is still shit? That is what makes me nervous.Swaye said:
I honestly can't tell anymore if it is limitations from players (noodlearm) or limitations due to overly complex nonsensical playbook and play calling, or some combo thereof. I think Pete has so overcomplicated all this shit that even he can't see his way back to unfuck it now.UW_Doog_Bot said:I'm still of the opinion that Browning is a huge limiting factor to the Offense's success bc of the inherent limitations he brings to the table. To use DDY's analogy of chefs and ingredients, there's only so much you can do to make a decent meal with rotten cabbage as the featured ingredient.
All that said, abandoning the run which seems to be a trend, is maddeningly fucking stupid. All the more so with a back as good as #MMFG.
Blow it up. You got a prototype NFL QB now. Play like it. -
You guys are going to hate me but......................... Bush Hamden is good.
Do WR’s need to develop better? absolutely. Do we need to do a better job actively scheming Hunter Bryant & other playmakers into the offense? Yes. Was this Bush’s best game and are there things to harp on him for? Yes.
But I’m sorry. He’s not the problem. When you can’t have plays over ten yards, you’re not going to be very successful. Obviously there needs to be changes but Bush is way down on the list for me and I’ve crushed him a lot this year. -
Hopefully Osborne and Spiker can contribute next year.LaMichael_Corleone said:You guys are going to hate me but......................... Bush Hamden is good.
Do WR’s need to develop better? absolutely. Do we need to do a better job actively scheming Hunter Bryant & other playmakers into the offense? Yes. Was this Bush’s best game and are there things to harp on him for? Yes.
But I’m sorry. He’s not the problem. When you can’t have plays over ten yards, you’re not going to be very successful. Obviously there needs to be changes but Bush is way down on the list for me and I’ve crushed him a lot this year.
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Swaye said:
I honestly can't tell anymore if it is limitations from players (noodlearm) or limitations due to overly complex nonsensical playbook and play calling, or some combo thereof. I think Pete has so overcomplicated all this shit that even he can't see his way back to unfuck it now.UW_Doog_Bot said:I'm still of the opinion that Browning is a huge limiting factor to the Offense's success bc of the inherent limitations he brings to the table. To use DDY's analogy of chefs and ingredients, there's only so much you can do to make a decent meal with rotten cabbage as the featured ingredient.
All that said, abandoning the run which seems to be a trend, is maddeningly fucking stupid. All the more so with a back as good as #MMFG.
Blow it up. You got a prototype NFL QB now. Play like it.
Too bad our WR suckSwaye said:
I honestly can't tell anymore if it is limitations from players (noodlearm) or limitations due to overly complex nonsensical playbook and play calling, or some combo thereof. I think Pete has so overcomplicated all this shit that even he can't see his way back to unfuck it now.UW_Doog_Bot said:I'm still of the opinion that Browning is a huge limiting factor to the Offense's success bc of the inherent limitations he brings to the table. To use DDY's analogy of chefs and ingredients, there's only so much you can do to make a decent meal with rotten cabbage as the featured ingredient.
All that said, abandoning the run which seems to be a trend, is maddeningly fucking stupid. All the more so with a back as good as #MMFG.
Blow it up. You got a prototype NFL QB now. Play like it. -
@Babushka 's OSU offense put up these numbers with a former walk-on, back-up, noodle-armed QB playing in Columbus against a Buckeye team that included Nick Bosa:
31 points (14 in the first half, zero in the 4th quarter)
392 yards (a perfect split of 196 rushing, 196 passing)
3 turnovers
If this isn't an indictment of Pete/Bush's offense, I don't know what more proof you need.
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This is what I see. Teams can play to stop #MMFG and that's basically it. Nothing else needed to do from a DC's point of view. No deep ball, no ability to get screens out quick enough to open up the middle or attack the perimeter. Plus, we have an awful kicking game so teams can really play bend-don't-break and play to stop us in the red zone with little consequence. Stop Myles from getting to the second level and you'll basically keep our offense from scoring more than 21 points.LaMichael_Corleone said:You guys are going to hate me but......................... Bush Hamden is good.
Do WR’s need to develop better? absolutely. Do we need to do a better job actively scheming Hunter Bryant & other playmakers into the offense? Yes. Was this Bush’s best game and are there things to harp on him for? Yes.
But I’m sorry. He’s not the problem. When you can’t have plays over ten yards, you’re not going to be very successful. Obviously there needs to be changes but Bush is way down on the list for me and I’ve crushed him a lot this year. -
There is a huge doog part of me that thinks Pete kept them from getting any snaps to protect them for this year and keep as many WR’s with the scout team & 3-4 rep groups to build continuity with Eason.WilburHooksHands said:
Hopefully Osborne and Spiker can contribute next year.LaMichael_Corleone said:You guys are going to hate me but......................... Bush Hamden is good.
Do WR’s need to develop better? absolutely. Do we need to do a better job actively scheming Hunter Bryant & other playmakers into the offense? Yes. Was this Bush’s best game and are there things to harp on him for? Yes.
But I’m sorry. He’s not the problem. When you can’t have plays over ten yards, you’re not going to be very successful. Obviously there needs to be changes but Bush is way down on the list for me and I’ve crushed him a lot this year. -
How could you possibly know he is good? If you want to say LIPO for one year of another QB w/e... but good?LaMichael_Corleone said:You guys are going to hate me but......................... Bush Hamden is good.
Do WR’s need to develop better? absolutely. Do we need to do a better job actively scheming Hunter Bryant & other playmakers into the offense? Yes. Was this Bush’s best game and are there things to harp on him for? Yes.
But I’m sorry. He’s not the problem. When you can’t have plays over ten yards, you’re not going to be very successful. Obviously there needs to be changes but Bush is way down on the list for me and I’ve crushed him a lot this year.
The QB play is fucking garbage
The WR play and recruiting is fucking garbage
The OL play is just ok
The RB play has been carried by Gaskin and no one looks ready to step up and recruiting has been mediocre
The TEs have been underutilized almost every game, lol recruiting
Gameday play calling and management has been poor
Development at basically every position on offense except for the OL has been poor
If this was the best scheme they could develop to work around Browning then they are fucking garbage at schemes and utilizing what they have
If this was the best development they could do with 4 years of browning then they fucking suck at developing what they have
They had 4 years to teach browning the scheme, change the scheme to fit browning, or find someone who could actually play the scheme... It didnt happen.
It blows my mind that people are using the fact that the coaches CHOSE to start browning for 4 years as an excuse for them not actually sucking.
Next people are going to excuse Sark for being a shitty coach because its not his fault he caught the alcoholism and showed up drunk to work. -
I agree with this concept and all, but in every bowl loss we are repeating that "this is Pete's Don James moment".
Against Alabama, he "realized we needed better athletes to compete".
Against Penn St, we lost again. Then we would supposedly see a better OC with Smith gone, better recruiting, and against OSU it would be redemption.
Against Ohio St, we lost again.
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Now we realize we have top athletes that can play, they just don’t want to.
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Browning has his limitations, but we? have known about these for 4 years. Petersen deserves a lot of blame for not bringing in a QB that could elevate the QB play in that time span. Not being able to run plays farther than 10 yards downfield is surprisingly not great for an offense. Any time Gaskin was out our? offense looked like a high school offense. Any penalty or negative play essentially kills all hope for a drive. It is pathetic.
Our? special teams are an absolute joke. Can we? please find someone to return kicks and punts and do fire everyone that is "coaching" the coverage units. -
Your not wrong but Browning might have been the glass ceiling. We’ll find out.BlastDoor said:I agree with this concept and all, but in every bowl loss we are repeating that "this is Pete's Don James moment".
Against Alabama, he "realized we needed better athletes to compete".
Against Penn St, we lost again. Then we would supposedly see a better OC with Smith gone, better recruiting, and against OSU it would be redemption.
Against Ohio St, we lost again.
Rinse and repeat. -
Here is how Maryland hung 50 on Ohio State throwing 13 passes
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Sure, thanks, NOW
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Fair on the LIPO, but I think you need some time to review the whole season and not just a very frustrating game especially offensively before evaluating like this.Houhusky said:
How could you possibly know he is good? If you want to say LIPO for one year of another QB w/e... but good?LaMichael_Corleone said:You guys are going to hate me but......................... Bush Hamden is good.
Do WR’s need to develop better? absolutely. Do we need to do a better job actively scheming Hunter Bryant & other playmakers into the offense? Yes. Was this Bush’s best game and are there things to harp on him for? Yes.
But I’m sorry. He’s not the problem. When you can’t have plays over ten yards, you’re not going to be very successful. Obviously there needs to be changes but Bush is way down on the list for me and I’ve crushed him a lot this year.
The QB play is fucking garbage
The WR play and recruiting is fucking garbage
The OL play is just ok
The RB play has been carried by Gaskin and no one looks ready to step up and recruiting has been mediocre
The TEs have been underutilized almost every game, lol recruiting
Gameday play calling and management has been poor
Development at basically every position on offense except for the OL has been poor
If this was the best scheme they could develop to work around Browning then they are fucking garbage at schemes and utilizing what they have
If this was the best development they could do with 4 years of browning then they fucking suck at developing what they have
They had 4 years to teach browning the scheme, change the scheme to fit browning, or find someone who could actually play the scheme... It didnt happen.
It blows my mind that people are using the fact that the coaches CHOSE to start browning for 4 years as an excuse for them not actually sucking.
Next people are going to excuse Sark for being a shitty coach because its not his fault he caught the alcoholism and showed up drunk to work.
The only recruiting that matters is for Bush are the recruits he brings in not RB/OL/TE. Bush brought in Osborne, Spiker, and Ty. If you ask me that’s a lot better than Aaron, Andre, and Chin. Do we still need to get a level higher? Yes but we’ve basically asked Bush to take over WR recruiting this year.
But in all fairness it sounds like your gripe is more with Pete and you are very right to feel that way. He has the veto power and he’s the last voice in command on the head set. It’s his call to run out the half or not. It’s his call to play browning and all that. This is Bush’s first year with a shitty QB and some shitty WR’s and a hurt TE and a hurt LT with two new starters at guard. He can’t be the brunt of the blame just because he got Hunter and Myles involved too late which I understand is incredibly tough trust me everyone I was sitting next to thought I was a crazy person who secretly hated the coaches and everyone on our offense.
WE ARE NEVER GOING TO RUN A CHIP KELLY OR AIR RAID TYPE OFFENSE THAT RUNS AS MANY PLAYS AS POSSIBLE AND PETE WILL NEVER GIVE UP THE REIGNS ON WHAT HE LIKES TO DO OFFENSIVELY SO LETS SEE WHAT THIS SHIT LOOKS LIKE WITH THE BEST POSSIBLE PLAYERS AT EVERY TWO DEEP SPOT AND THEN CAN HIS ASS WHEN HE CANT WIN. -
So, just wait till we get Alabama talent and Hope they all want to play in crunch time when called on?
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That's better than what Richt said, which was essentially, "We've got the right plan, we just need to do it better."UWhuskytskeet said:Hopefully not just fluff, but it sounds like he gets the message.
Word is that the AD met with him and told him he had to fire his son and think about other offensive staff positions. He said, "I quit."
Say what you will about the Diaz hire, he had a vision for the defense and he made it happen. He also fired the entire offensive staff - every. last. one. - including Richt's son, w/in 24 hours of being hired.
But, that's the easy part for coaches who want to get better. -
Holy shit. I didn't realize that someone almost ran for 3 hundy against the Bucks. And two other guys averaged 5.0 ypc or better.RaceBannon said:Here is how Maryland hung 50 on Ohio State throwing 13 passes
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Counter argument is that if Richt needed to fire his staff he should have been fired anywaycreepycoug said:
That's better than what Richt said, which was essentially, "We've got the right plan, we just need to do it better."UWhuskytskeet said:Hopefully not just fluff, but it sounds like he gets the message.
Word is that the AD met with him and told him he had to fire his son and think about other offensive staff positions. He said, "I quit."
Say what you will about the Diaz hire, he had a vision for the defense and he made it happen. He also fired the entire offensive staff - every. last. one. - including Richt's son, w/in 24 hours of being hired.
But, that's the easy part for coaches who want to get better.
7-6 is what we had when we got Pete. There's a jump to 10 wins then a bigger jump to 12-15
Richt could manage to have a losing record in a season at Georgia. -
This.UW_Doog_Bot said:
This is what I see. Teams can play to stop #MMFG and that's basically it. Nothing else needed to do from a DC's point of view. No deep ball, no ability to get screens out quick enough to open up the middle or attack the perimeter. Plus, we have an awful kicking game so teams can really play bend-don't-break and play to stop us in the red zone with little consequence. Stop Myles from getting to the second level and you'll basically keep our offense from scoring more than 21 points.LaMichael_Corleone said:You guys are going to hate me but......................... Bush Hamden is good.
Do WR’s need to develop better? absolutely. Do we need to do a better job actively scheming Hunter Bryant & other playmakers into the offense? Yes. Was this Bush’s best game and are there things to harp on him for? Yes.
But I’m sorry. He’s not the problem. When you can’t have plays over ten yards, you’re not going to be very successful. Obviously there needs to be changes but Bush is way down on the list for me and I’ve crushed him a lot this year.
Will be very chintresting to see what happens to the running game next year. I'm confident in saying, there is no Myles Gaskin on the Washington roster right now. He made everyone look good. Dude makes getting something out of nothing look routine. -
Vertical passing game has to be a thing, it’s the only way.creepycoug said:
This.UW_Doog_Bot said:
This is what I see. Teams can play to stop #MMFG and that's basically it. Nothing else needed to do from a DC's point of view. No deep ball, no ability to get screens out quick enough to open up the middle or attack the perimeter. Plus, we have an awful kicking game so teams can really play bend-don't-break and play to stop us in the red zone with little consequence. Stop Myles from getting to the second level and you'll basically keep our offense from scoring more than 21 points.LaMichael_Corleone said:You guys are going to hate me but......................... Bush Hamden is good.
Do WR’s need to develop better? absolutely. Do we need to do a better job actively scheming Hunter Bryant & other playmakers into the offense? Yes. Was this Bush’s best game and are there things to harp on him for? Yes.
But I’m sorry. He’s not the problem. When you can’t have plays over ten yards, you’re not going to be very successful. Obviously there needs to be changes but Bush is way down on the list for me and I’ve crushed him a lot this year.
Will be very chintresting to see what happens to the running game next year. I'm confident in saying, there is no Myles Gaskin on the Washington roster right now. He made everyone look good. Dude makes getting something out of nothing look routine. -
There's plenty of room on the Bush Hamden bandwagon.LaMichael_Corleone said:You guys are going to hate me but......................... Bush Hamden is good.
Do WR’s need to develop better? absolutely. Do we need to do a better job actively scheming Hunter Bryant & other playmakers into the offense? Yes. Was this Bush’s best game and are there things to harp on him for? Yes.
But I’m sorry. He’s not the problem. When you can’t have plays over ten yards, you’re not going to be very successful. Obviously there needs to be changes but Bush is way down on the list for me and I’ve crushed him a lot this year.
It's basically just you and me.
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Agreed. In retrospect he was a good enough coach to put together decent seasons, no more, and occasionally do better than that. 10-2 made all of Cane nation bite. And as you know, I'm a sucker for a good recruiter, because you have to have that anyway.RaceBannon said:
Counter argument is that if Richt needed to fire his staff he should have been fired anywaycreepycoug said:
That's better than what Richt said, which was essentially, "We've got the right plan, we just need to do it better."UWhuskytskeet said:Hopefully not just fluff, but it sounds like he gets the message.
Word is that the AD met with him and told him he had to fire his son and think about other offensive staff positions. He said, "I quit."
Say what you will about the Diaz hire, he had a vision for the defense and he made it happen. He also fired the entire offensive staff - every. last. one. - including Richt's son, w/in 24 hours of being hired.
But, that's the easy part for coaches who want to get better.
7-6 is what we had when we got Pete. There's a jump to 10 wins then a bigger jump to 12-15
Richt could manage to have a losing record in a season at Georgia.
But some guys just can't put it together, and in Richt's case, he seemed to have effectively retired to Miami when he took the job. Which explains why he punked out when it got hard. He didn't come to Miami for hard. He came to Miami to retire.
Which is why I'm leary of old guys at the HC spot. It's not a fun job. You need to be hungry. He was not. I'm skeptical about whether Davis part II would be hungry enough. He's old now too. -
This is the legendary DON JAMES ANALOGY. I've lobbied for this to stop! He is a statue, and not coming back in the form of somebody else! Jesus. Every coach except Neuheisel and Sark was supposed to be in the mold of DJ.WilburHooksHands said:Plenty has been said on here about James realizing he had to get with the times. It may be earlier in his Husky career, but this is Pete’s. Browning was recruited to run his old bullshit offense. That time is over and if we dont totally overhaul the offense this offseason the program is over.
