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Where Exactly Are We Headed: A Response

Huge fucking post coming in. Worse than Tequilla, so apologies up front.

But I've been drinking Maker's 46 and if you don't want to read it then just fuck off right away and don't read it. If you're actually interested in the trajectory of this program and are demanding better results, then read on.





@Fire_Marshall_Bill posed the following question in a thread earlier tonight:

We're 10-4. We were 9-4 during Snark's last year....We won an awful league that's half a notch better than the MW. We lost to Cal, a total loser program...

Auburn beat us. We're 7-5 in the SEC W. Maybe 8-4. It's not like I want the guy fired, but where exactly are we headed? You need athletes and speed. Development and coaching are important, but they only take you so far.





Plenty of guys in the game thread and random threads on the Hardcore board mentioned they were done with Pete because he can't win big games. I assume most were anger or alcohol fueled, but the pervasive question among the HH faithful is clear: is this program going to get over the hump under Pete?


2014: 8-6 / Loss in Cactus Bowl to Oklahoma State

2015: 7-6 / Win in Heart of Dallas Bowl over Southern Miss

2016: 12-2 / Pac-12 Champion / Loss in Peach Bowl to Alabama

2017: 10-3 / Loss in Fiesta Bowl to Penn State

2018: 10-4 / Pac-12 Champion / Loss in Rose Bowl to Ohio State


This shit looks like a mixed bag. I see three 10 win seasons in a row, two Pac-12 Championships in three years, and three straight NY6 Bowls that all ended up losses.



It leads back to Bill's question: Where are we headed? Pete can clearly coach and develop, but does UW have the athletes to compete with the Elite of CFB.



That's where this post comes in:

I know that a lot posters do not follow recruiting or barely follow it, so the only base of knowledge is record and bowl results. Without knowledge of the recruiting base and talent acquisition portion of the program (which is just as important as coaching and development), it can be hard for the faithful to know if the program is actually improving over what Sark was doing.

2014: 5 Year Team Talent Composite Not Available Anymore (But it was somewhere in the 30's when I saw it last year)

2015: 5 Year Team Talent Composite - 29th in Country - 0 Five Stars - 15 Four Stars - 56 Three Stars - 10 Two Stars (or less) - 85.09 Average Composite Score

2016: 5 Year Team Talent Composite - 24th in Country - 0 Five Stars - 21 Four Stars - 56 Three Stars - 8 Two Stars (or less) - 85.73 Average Composite Score

2017: 5 Year Team Talent Composite - 24th in Country - 0 Five Stars - 23 Four Stars - 55 Three Stars - 7 Two Stars (or less) - 85.98 Average Composite Score

2018: 5 Year Team Talent Composite - 20th in Country - 1 Five Star - 31 Four Stars - 47 Three Stars - 6 Two Stars (or Less) - 87.25 Average Composite Score



As you can see, the last three years of success has largely been built upon the backs of lesser talent that has been developed and coached up. But suddenly the roster in 2018 took a huge jump up with nearly 10 three stars replaced with 10 Blue Chip players.

Next season has another jump with 6 more Blue Chip players replacing lesser tiered players.

Departures - 5 Four Stars - 11 Three Stars

Additions - 11 Four Stars - 9 Three Stars

2019: 5 Year Team Talent Composite - Rank Not Available - 1 Five Star - 37 Four Stars - 45 Three Stars - Average Composite Score Not Calculated




There is still the chance to add:

1 Five Star Kyle Ford

4 Four Stars Puka Nacua, Daniel Heimuli, Henry To'oto'o, Asa Turner




There is a well known Blue Chip Ratio that Championship level teams all hit, at least 50% of the roster must be Five or Four Star recruits:

https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2018/8/22/17606048/blue-chip-ratio-2018

UW has been a major overachiever trying to play on the level of the big boys, but as you said Bill, you need the athletes and speed to keep up. In the NY6 games, though the scores have been close the talent gap has been large.




If you don't think this is a HUGE FUCKING DEAL you're an idiot.


In 2016 Bama had the #1 5 Year Team Talent Composite, while UW was #24, a gap of 40 fucking Blue Chip recruits. UW lost by 17 points.

In 2017 PSU was #19, while UW was #24. Close, but still a gap of 11 Blue Chip recruits. UW lost by 7 points.

This year tOSU was #1, while UW was #20, a gap of 34 fucking Blue Chip recruits. That's who UW lost to tonight by 5 points.

That gap is finally starting to close. In 2 years 15 three stars have been replaced on the roster by Blue Chip recruits. From 23 to 38 going into next year as it currently stands.




None of this makes up for Pete's offense, Bush's play calling, Browning throwing it 54 fucking times, or Gaskin only getting 25 carries. It also doesn't make up for the defense struggling for the first half of the game. It definitely doesn't make up for the constant fucking slow starts to games. And nothing, nothing, nothing can make up for not recruiting a QB to challenge Browning and letting him start for 4 years (that issue has finally been remedied with nothing but Blue Chip recruits lining the QB room).


That said, this program is headed in the right direction. 10 win seasons in three straight seasons for the first time ever. Pac-12 Championships for the first time in a long time. Going up against the elite of the college football world and realizing UW is on the fucking cusp of joining the group.


It's an exhaustingly slow build, but it is a solid foundation being laid brick by brick. Pete is fucking boring and he's stubborn as fuck, but he's building something sustainable, and the winning on the field is begetting better recruiting classes, which will beget more wins.



Don't believe me? Look at the recruiting classes:

2015 Recruiting Class - 26th in Country - 5 Four Stars - 18 Three Stars - 85.77 Average Composite

2016 Recruiting Class - 29th in Country - 7 Four Stars - 10 Three Stars - 87.42 Average Composite

2017 Recruiting Class - 22nd in Country - 9 Four Stars - 9 Three Stars - 88.45 Average Composite

2018 Recruiting Class - 16th in Country - 10 Four Stars - 10 Three Stars - 90.21 Average Composite

2019 Recruiting Class - 16th in Country - 11 Four Stars - 9 Three Stars - 89.74 Average Composite

(Again, 1 Five and 4 Four Stars still on the table)





Be frustrated with Pete's Offense. Be frustrated with Pete's stubborness. Be frustrated with Pete's coaches like Gregory, PaoPao, Bonerpop, or Lubick. Be frustrated with Hamdan's play calling (but fuck off if you question Lake's calling as he had a better total defense and scoring defense than Kwat has had in the last 4 years in his first year calling plays).


And this isn't being a doog. We all want better, and we all deserve better. But replacing Pete or questioning if he's the right coach isn't better. Demanding him to make changes to his staff is better. Demanding him to change his offensive philosophy is better. Demanding better recruiters at certain positions is better.

But if you're saying Pete isn't the guy for the job, or that you're giving up on him and want him gone, you're a fucking retard and no one can fucking help you.






This post may have some of you thinking of me in a new way:
















But you all can fuck yourselves:




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  • DoogCourics
    DoogCourics Member Posts: 5,739
  • PurpleJ
    PurpleJ Member Posts: 37,643 Founders Club
    Recruiting won't change the fact that Pete is too retarded to run the fucking ball.
  • ZoneUW
    ZoneUW Member Posts: 794
    fuck off. Eason is a pussy and sucks until proven otherwise. Haenal Jackoff and Sermon suck until proven otherwise. Petersen has become a pussy. We don't recruit black people anymore. Asa Akira is going to notre lame.

    the season is over and the program is doomed.

    2019 ALAMO BOWL RUNNER UP HERE WE COME
  • Houhusky
    Houhusky Member Posts: 5,537
    edited January 2019
    PurpleJ said:

    Recruiting won't change the fact that Pete is too retarded to run the fucking ball.

    Pete system does not allow for him to beat an elite talent team with good/decent coaching.

    UW/Pete has to be able to beat teams that have better “talent” or this is the cap... UW is never going to have more 4 and 5 stars than Clemson, Alabama, Ohio state, UT, Georgia, USC, tamu, Michigan, Norte dame, penn state, or 5-10 other schools with any sort of regularity.

    The system is decent at winning games he is supposed to and good at not getting blown out in a loss to teams he is supposed to lose too.

    Big games, important games, are won by players transcending the scheme and coaching and putting everyone on their back and dragging the team to victory...

    Pete’s culture and scheme is so strict and ridged there is an upward cap that prevents players transcending the game, he can’t win the games he isn’t supposed to win like he could at Boise.

    Yah yah, recruiting is important, just wait till 2021! Then the offense will work!
  • PurpleJ
    PurpleJ Member Posts: 37,643 Founders Club

    PurpleJ said:

    Recruiting won't change the fact that Pete is too retarded to run the fucking ball.

    Covered that twice:

    None of this makes up for Pete's offense, Bush's play calling, Browning throwing it 54 fucking times, or Gaskin only getting 25 carries.

    Be frustrated with Hamdan's play calling
    Well I didn't read so fuck you.
  • ZoneUW
    ZoneUW Member Posts: 794
    yay we went from 16th recruiting class in the cuntry to 16th. really leveling up boys. Gap of 11 blue chips to 34 blue chips. REALLY CLOSING THE GAP.
  • Domicillo
    Domicillo Member Posts: 3,025
    edited January 2019
  • FireCohen
    FireCohen Member Posts: 21,823
    Houhusky said:

    PurpleJ said:

    Recruiting won't change the fact that Pete is too retarded to run the fucking ball.

    Pete system does not allow for him to beat an elite talent team with good/decent coaching.

    UW/Pete has to be able to beat teams that have better “talent” or this is the cap... UW is never going to have more 4 and 5 stars than Clemson, Alabama, Ohio state, UT, Georgia, USC, tamu, Michigan, Norte dame, penn state, or 5-10 other schools with any sort of regularity.

    The system is decent at winning games he is supposed to and good at not getting blown out in a loss to teams he is supposed to lose too.

    Big games, important games, are won by players transcending the scheme and coaching and putting everyone on their back and dragging the team to victory...

    Pete’s culture and scheme is so strict and ridged there is an upward cap that prevents players transcending the game, he can’t win the games he isn’t supposed to win like he could at Boise.

    Yah yah, recruiting is important, just wait till 2021! Then the offense will work!
    dont go fucking full retard now buddy, pete will win just not this year.
  • DoogCourics
    DoogCourics Member Posts: 5,739
    PurpleJ said:

    PurpleJ said:

    Recruiting won't change the fact that Pete is too retarded to run the fucking ball.

    Covered that twice:

    None of this makes up for Pete's offense, Bush's play calling, Browning throwing it 54 fucking times, or Gaskin only getting 25 carries.

    Be frustrated with Hamdan's play calling
    Well I didn't read so fuck you.

    Covered that as well:

    But I've been drinking Maker's 46 and if you don't want to read it then just fuck off right away and don't read it.

    Also the gifs and obligatory TL:DR.


    Honestly I did those with you in mind.
  • Canadawg
    Canadawg Member Posts: 5,253
    Nice. Alamo Bowl sounds winnable
  • ZoneUW
    ZoneUW Member Posts: 794
    Recruiting will never "close the gap" because there isn't the same talent on the west coast that there is in the south east. I mean it's simple as that. It will never happen. We can't even keep Joe Ngata from Clemson.
  • ZoneUW
    ZoneUW Member Posts: 794
    Football will cease to exist by the time pete wins a national title here at UW.
  • PurpleJ
    PurpleJ Member Posts: 37,643 Founders Club

    PurpleJ said:

    PurpleJ said:

    Recruiting won't change the fact that Pete is too retarded to run the fucking ball.

    Covered that twice:

    None of this makes up for Pete's offense, Bush's play calling, Browning throwing it 54 fucking times, or Gaskin only getting 25 carries.

    Be frustrated with Hamdan's play calling
    Well I didn't read so fuck you.

    Covered that as well:

    But I've been drinking Maker's 46 and if you don't want to read it then just fuck off right away and don't read it.

    Also the gifs and obligatory TL:DR.


    Honestly I did those with you in mind.
    I like to tell people I didn't read. Are you new here?
  • FireCohen
    FireCohen Member Posts: 21,823

    Huge fucking post coming in. Worse than Tequilla, so apologies up front.

    But I've been drinking Maker's 46 and if you don't want to read it then just fuck off right away and don't read it. If you're actually interested in the trajectory of this program and are demanding better results, then read on.





    @Fire_Marshall_Bill posed the following question in a thread earlier tonight:

    We're 10-4. We were 9-4 during Snark's last year....We won an awful league that's half a notch better than the MW. We lost to Cal, a total loser program...

    Auburn beat us. We're 7-5 in the SEC W. Maybe 8-4. It's not like I want the guy fired, but where exactly are we headed? You need athletes and speed. Development and coaching are important, but they only take you so far.





    Plenty of guys in the game thread and random threads on the Hardcore board mentioned they were done with Pete because he can't win big games. I assume most were anger or alcohol fueled, but the pervasive question among the HH faithful is clear: is this program going to get over the hump under Pete?


    2014: 8-6 / Loss in Cactus Bowl to Oklahoma State

    2015: 7-6 / Win in Heart of Dallas Bowl over Southern Miss

    2016: 12-2 / Pac-12 Champion / Loss in Peach Bowl to Alabama

    2017: 10-3 / Loss in Fiesta Bowl to Penn State

    2018: 10-4 / Pac-12 Champion / Loss in Rose Bowl to Ohio State


    This shit looks like a mixed bag. I see three 10 win seasons in a row, two Pac-12 Championships in three years, and three straight NY6 Bowls that all ended up losses.



    It leads back to Bill's question: Where are we headed? Pete can clearly coach and develop, but does UW have the athletes to compete with the Elite of CFB.



    That's where this post comes in:

    I know that a lot posters do not follow recruiting or barely follow it, so the only base of knowledge is record and bowl results. Without knowledge of the recruiting base and talent acquisition portion of the program (which is just as important as coaching and development), it can be hard for the faithful to know if the program is actually improving over what Sark was doing.

    2014: 5 Year Team Talent Composite Not Available Anymore (But it was somewhere in the 30's when I saw it last year)

    2015: 5 Year Team Talent Composite - 29th in Country - 0 Five Stars - 15 Four Stars - 56 Three Stars - 10 Two Stars (or less) - 85.09 Average Composite Score

    2016: 5 Year Team Talent Composite - 24th in Country - 0 Five Stars - 21 Four Stars - 56 Three Stars - 8 Two Stars (or less) - 85.73 Average Composite Score

    2017: 5 Year Team Talent Composite - 24th in Country - 0 Five Stars - 23 Four Stars - 55 Three Stars - 7 Two Stars (or less) - 85.98 Average Composite Score

    2018: 5 Year Team Talent Composite - 20th in Country - 1 Five Star - 31 Four Stars - 47 Three Stars - 6 Two Stars (or Less) - 87.25 Average Composite Score



    As you can see, the last three years of success has largely been built upon the backs of lesser talent that has been developed and coached up. But suddenly the roster in 2018 took a huge jump up with nearly 10 three stars replaced with 10 Blue Chip players.

    Next season has another jump with 6 more Blue Chip players replacing lesser tiered players.

    Departures - 5 Four Stars - 11 Three Stars

    Additions - 11 Four Stars - 9 Three Stars

    2019: 5 Year Team Talent Composite - Rank Not Available - 1 Five Star - 37 Four Stars - 45 Three Stars - Average Composite Score Not Calculated




    There is still the chance to add:

    1 Five Star Kyle Ford

    4 Four Stars Puka Nacua, Daniel Heimuli, Henry To'oto'o, Asa Turner




    There is a well known Blue Chip Ratio that Championship level teams all hit, at least 50% of the roster must be Five or Four Star recruits:

    https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2018/8/22/17606048/blue-chip-ratio-2018

    UW has been a major overachiever trying to play on the level of the big boys, but as you said Bill, you need the athletes and speed to keep up. In the NY6 games, though the scores have been close the talent gap has been large.




    If you don't think this is a HUGE FUCKING DEAL you're an idiot.


    In 2016 Bama had the #1 5 Year Team Talent Composite, while UW was #24, a gap of 40 fucking Blue Chip recruits. UW lost by 17 points.

    In 2017 PSU was #19, while UW was #24. Close, but still a gap of 11 Blue Chip recruits. UW lost by 7 points.

    This year tOSU was #1, while UW was #20, a gap of 34 fucking Blue Chip recruits. That's who UW lost to tonight by 5 points.

    That gap is finally starting to close. In 2 years 15 three stars have been replaced on the roster by Blue Chip recruits. From 23 to 38 going into next year as it currently stands.




    None of this makes up for Pete's offense, Bush's play calling, Browning throwing it 54 fucking times, or Gaskin only getting 25 carries. It also doesn't make up for the defense struggling for the first half of the game. It definitely doesn't make up for the constant fucking slow starts to games. And nothing, nothing, nothing can make up for not recruiting a QB to challenge Browning and letting him start for 4 years (that issue has finally been remedied with nothing but Blue Chip recruits lining the QB room).


    That said, this program is headed in the right direction. 10 win seasons in three straight seasons for the first time ever. Pac-12 Championships for the first time in a long time. Going up against the elite of the college football world and realizing UW is on the fucking cusp of joining the group.


    It's an exhaustingly slow build, but it is a solid foundation being laid brick by brick. Pete is fucking boring and he's stubborn as fuck, but he's building something sustainable, and the winning on the field is begetting better recruiting classes, which will beget more wins.



    Don't believe me? Look at the recruiting classes:

    2015 Recruiting Class - 26th in Country - 5 Four Stars - 18 Three Stars - 85.77 Average Composite

    2016 Recruiting Class - 29th in Country - 7 Four Stars - 10 Three Stars - 87.42 Average Composite

    2017 Recruiting Class - 22nd in Country - 9 Four Stars - 9 Three Stars - 88.45 Average Composite

    2018 Recruiting Class - 16th in Country - 10 Four Stars - 10 Three Stars - 90.21 Average Composite

    2019 Recruiting Class - 16th in Country - 11 Four Stars - 9 Three Stars - 89.74 Average Composite

    (Again, 1 Five and 4 Four Stars still on the table)





    Be frustrated with Pete's Offense. Be frustrated with Pete's stubborness. Be frustrated with Pete's coaches like Gregory, PaoPao, Bonerpop, or Lubick. Be frustrated with Hamdan's play calling (but fuck off if you question Lake's calling as he had a better total defense and scoring defense than Kwat has had in the last 4 years in his first year calling plays).


    And this isn't being a doog. We all want better, and we all deserve better. But replacing Pete or questioning if he's the right coach isn't better. Demanding him to make changes to his staff is better. Demanding him to change his offensive philosophy is better. Demanding better recruiters at certain positions is better.

    But if you're saying Pete isn't the guy for the job, or that you're giving up on him and want him gone, you're a fucking retard and no one can fucking help you.






    This post may have some of you thinking of me in a new way:
















    But you all can fuck yourselves:




    i still think that CoachK is better DC than jimmy.
  • FireCohen
    FireCohen Member Posts: 21,823
    Houhusky said:

    Houhusky said:

    PurpleJ said:

    Recruiting won't change the fact that Pete is too retarded to run the fucking ball.

    Pete system does not allow for him to beat an elite talent team with good/decent coaching.

    UW/Pete has to be able to beat teams that have better “talent” or this is the cap... UW is never going to have more 4 and 5 stars than Clemson, Alabama, Ohio state, UT, Georgia, USC, tamu, Michigan, Norte dame, penn state, or 5-10 other schools with any sort of regularity.

    The system is decent at winning games he is supposed to and good at not getting blown out in a loss to teams he is supposed to lose too.

    Big games, important games, are won by players transcending the scheme and coaching and putting everyone on their back and dragging the team to victory...

    Pete’s culture and scheme is so strict and ridged there is an upward cap that prevents players transcending the game, he can’t win the games he isn’t supposed to win like he could at Boise.

    Yah yah, recruiting is important, just wait till 2021! Then the offense will work!
    dont go fucking full retard now buddy, pete will win just not this year.
    He has yet to beat a team that he wasnt supposed to yet... It should be concerning to people

    Does he have a single win against a team that had more talent and was decently coached? a ranked Stanford team is like his best win in 5 years?
    dude, pete is making adjustments just slowly. I would judge him over the next 2 years. If things dont go well, we are fucked.
  • AEB
    AEB Member Posts: 2,986

    Houhusky said:

    Houhusky said:

    PurpleJ said:

    Recruiting won't change the fact that Pete is too retarded to run the fucking ball.

    Pete system does not allow for him to beat an elite talent team with good/decent coaching.

    UW/Pete has to be able to beat teams that have better “talent” or this is the cap... UW is never going to have more 4 and 5 stars than Clemson, Alabama, Ohio state, UT, Georgia, USC, tamu, Michigan, Norte dame, penn state, or 5-10 other schools with any sort of regularity.

    The system is decent at winning games he is supposed to and good at not getting blown out in a loss to teams he is supposed to lose too.

    Big games, important games, are won by players transcending the scheme and coaching and putting everyone on their back and dragging the team to victory...

    Pete’s culture and scheme is so strict and ridged there is an upward cap that prevents players transcending the game, he can’t win the games he isn’t supposed to win like he could at Boise.

    Yah yah, recruiting is important, just wait till 2021! Then the offense will work!
    dont go fucking full retard now buddy, pete will win just not this year.
    He has yet to beat a team that he wasnt supposed to yet... It should be concerning to people

    Does he have a single win against a team that had more talent and was decently coached? a ranked Stanford team is like his best win in 5 years?
    dude, pete is making adjustments just slowly. I would judge him over the next 2 years. If things dont go well, we are fucked.
    Not fucked but he should retire. Let Jimmy take over and hire a real OC.

    Lake>Nussmeier>Gilby
  • AEB
    AEB Member Posts: 2,986

    Two things keeping us from even looking elite.

    1. Defense that punishes people, we need LBs and edge rush that are killers
    2. A QB who can scare the opposition, not a QB who looks like he’d need help loading groceries in his car.

    We’re a better team than we look, but we’ve exhausted our potential at this “level” I think our skill position deficit is going to start really hurting next year unless we fix it with fast.

    Tryon flashed. Felt good about that.
  • Fire_Marshall_Bill
    Fire_Marshall_Bill Member Posts: 25,564 Standard Supporter
    edited January 2019
    Good analysis @DoogCourics

    I'd say just based on my limited knowledge that at the least, the 16 needs to turn into a 7 or 8 to really get to the playoff contender/legititmate top 5 elite status. Maybe 10 but no lower. Oregon under Kelly was around 10-12 in that metric IIRC. I'm way too lazy to research it.

    So can that be done with the recruiting church boy strategy? You almost need some assholes who steal cars or prima donnas
  • DoogCourics
    DoogCourics Member Posts: 5,739
    edited January 2019

    Good analysis @DoogCourics

    I'd say just based on my limited knowledge that at the least, the 16 needs to turn into a 7 or 8 to really get to the playoff contender/legititmate top 5 elite status. Maybe 10 but no lower. Oregon under Kelly was around 10-12 in that metric IIRC. I'm way too lazy to research it.

    So can that be done with the recruiting church boy strategy? You almost need some assholes who steal cars or prima donnas

    You asked a question so I gave an answer.

    I’m going to bed, but I’ll run the numbers for Dabo tomorrow.

    He broke through and got to the championship in his 7th year, 8th for the actual win.

    So I’ll do the increase in blue chips for them over those 8 years to get a trajectory as a comparison.




    Edit: preliminary glance shows Clemson was in the 20’s and 30’s first few years, then hovered around 15/16 for a bit.

    Wasn’t until 2015, the end of his 6th year for those who bitch about Pete being in his 5th, that he actually broke through with a top 10 class and started getting consistent high end classes.
  • Baphomet
    Baphomet Member Posts: 1,511
    GOAT said:

    Demote Hamdan back to WR’s, fire Lubick, and get a proven OC

    Guys, I've been telling ya'll... Sark is available...
  • ZoneUW
    ZoneUW Member Posts: 794
    LOTS of dooging going on.

    As of now, we have no evidence to suggest our new recruits are going to turn out any better than the players we have now. No evidence to suggest Buelow is anything more than Devin Burleson 2.0. Nothing to suggest that fautano and luciano aren't anything other than bigger versions of Nick Harris. Nothing to suggest Bandes is any better than gaines or paama will ever be anything close to vea. We have no evidence Taj Davis is going to be better than jordan chin, or that Tuitele will be any better than Onwuzurike. Right now we have no evidence to suggest Laiatu Latu is gonna be anything more than benning 2.0 or wooching 2.0.


    We aren't recruiting like we need to be to close that talent gap, at least we have no proof we are right now until we see the players get developed and play. Fuck the offseason natty. Reserve that for oregon. When the coach starts winning, THAT is when I will buy into the hype. Fuck the teen boy rosterbation about players who haven't even played a single snap in the fucking SPRING GAME.

    I care about winning NOW with what we have, fuck the stars, myles gaskin was rated below SEAN FUCKING MCGREW.


    As from what I can tell now, Petersen is a fucking LOSER, doesn't win the big games, and I shouldn't expect anything different until proven otherwise. If you disagree you are a DOOG.