Shocking turn of events

SFGbob said:

greenblood said:

Trump painted himself in a corner. Dems would have won either way. Had the government shutdown there would be no military funding, which is much more important to Trump than the wall. Military spending is one of the major things I disagree with him on. I think we need to slash entitlements significantly while at the same time decrease military spending. I would have quite frankly been happy with a shutdown.

Pure crap. Where the fuck do you guys get your information? The Defense Department was funded by a defense spending bill passed in September. They military wouldn't be affected at all by a government shut down. And even if they hadn't been funded by the bill in September the military are all considered to be essential employees and are thus exempt from any government shut down.


Btw, your definition of what constitutes an entitlement program is also crap. Social Security and Medicare are both entitlement programs. Words have meanings boys, you should actually try and learn the definition of them before using them. Otherwise you end up like those dipshits Hondo and CD with your own personal Kunt definition of words.

Strange...I seem to have to pay taxes on that shit. So now we end it, and I waste all that money I have been forced to put towards it? Fuck off.

I won't need social security when I retire, but I'll definitely want it.

2001400ex said:

greenblood said:

2001400ex said:

greenblood said:

Trump painted himself in a corner. Dems would have won either way. Had the government shutdown there would be no military funding, which is much more important to Trump than the wall. Military spending is one of the major things I disagree with him on. I think we need to slash entitlements significantly while at the same time decrease military spending. I would have quite frankly been happy with a shutdown.

Agree on military. More on cutting wasteful spending. Go through the departments. But where do your want to cut in entitlements? Curious your thoughts, putting it into dollars.

Entitlements in my mind is collecting benefits without contribution. Unless you are on SSI, you should be forced to work for the government to receive your handout. That could be cleaning up trash for the campgrounds, cleaning beaches, sweeping sidewalks, cleaning highway debris, building and maintaining hiking trails, etc. We pay higher wages and benefits to a limited workforce that can't do any of this efficiently. If you don't, you get nothing, not even food stamps.

Ok.. Agreed. But what programs do you want to cut from? And quantify how much you think we can cut. Keep in mind, a decent percentage of food stamps goes to people who have a job.

You seem to know what percentage goes to people with a job. You tell me how much goes to people without jobs? Then you should have an idea. Those people without jobs can join the government work crew or get cut off benefits. Works in two ways. You move more overpaid government forestry, wildlife, and road crew workers into the private sector, and you pay minimum wage to the people working in the program. We're paying them anyway...

2001400ex said:

SFGbob said:

greenblood said:

Trump painted himself in a corner. Dems would have won either way. Had the government shutdown there would be no military funding, which is much more important to Trump than the wall. Military spending is one of the major things I disagree with him on. I think we need to slash entitlements significantly while at the same time decrease military spending. I would have quite frankly been happy with a shutdown.

Pure crap. Where the fuck do you guys get your information? The Defense Department was funded by a defense spending bill passed in September. They military wouldn't be affected at all by a government shut down. And even if they hadn't been funded by the bill in September the military are all considered to be essential employees and are thus exempt from any government shut down.


Btw, your definition of what constitutes an entitlement program is also crap. Social Security and Medicare are both entitlement programs. Words have meanings boys, you should actually try and learn the definition of them before using them. Otherwise you end up like those dipshits Hondo and CD with your own personal Kunt definition of words.

I'll pose the same question to you. What entitlements programs would you cut from? Quantify how much you'd be able to cut.

I'd completely eliminate all welfare programs and would phase out both Social Security and Medicare over a certain period of time allowing future beneficiaries to opt out of both systems and enter into programs that encourage tax free medical savings and retirement accounts.

Medicare, Social Security and Welfare spending currently represent over 50% of all Federal Spending.




in 2017 Medicare spending represented over $700 Billion in Federal spending. In 2000 it was slightly less than $220 Billion.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/248073/distribution-of-medicare-spending-by-service-type/


I love it when Hondo the fucking moron calls me ignorant. Come on now Kunt, double down on your ignorance and post some fucking gibberish that doesn't refute a word I just said.

2001400ex said:

SFGbob said:

Medicare, Social Security and Welfare spending currently represent over 50% of all Federal Spending.




in 2017 Medicare spending represented over $700 Billion in Federal spending. In 2000 it was slightly less than $220 Billion.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/248073/distribution-of-medicare-spending-by-service-type/


I love it when Hondo the fucking moron calls me ignorant. Come on now Kunt, double down on your ignorance and post some fucking gibberish that doesn't refute a word I just said.

If you received a paycheck, you might know that SS and Medicare are fully funded from employee and employer payroll. Seriously. I do love the double post to try to show how smart you are.

Sure.gif....

Except for the IOUs the gubmint wrote to the Social Security trust fund....totally fully funded.

Until it's not.

2001400ex said:

SFGbob said:

Medicare, Social Security and Welfare spending currently represent over 50% of all Federal Spending.




in 2017 Medicare spending represented over $700 Billion in Federal spending. In 2000 it was slightly less than $220 Billion.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/248073/distribution-of-medicare-spending-by-service-type/


I love it when Hondo the fucking moron calls me ignorant. Come on now Kunt, double down on your ignorance and post some fucking gibberish that doesn't refute a word I just said.

If you received a paycheck, you might know that SS and Medicare are fully funded from employee and employer payroll. Seriously. I do love the double post to try to show how smart you are.

Look at Hondo the stupid Kunt think that they money paid into Medicare and Social Security aren't just part of the Federal Government's overall tax base.

Hondo is so fucking dumb he probably believes there really is a "lock box" and Social Security savings account with his name on it.


Federal expenditure on Medicare have nearly doubled in the last 10 years but according to Hondo the stupid Kunt that has no impact on our deficit or debt.

The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) recently foreshadowed the Trustees’ latest concerns. CBO recently reported that Medicare spending will double, from last year’s $708 billion to $1.4 trillion by 2027. That growth will make Medicare the biggest driver of federal health care spending, dwarfing Medicaid, Obamacare subsidies, and outlays for the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP). Furthermore, the Trustees estimate that Medicare spending, currently at 3.7 percent of the Gross Domestic Product (GDP), will rise to 5.9 percent of GDP by 2042. In fact, a more realistic alternative scenario projects that spending to reach 6.2 percent of GDP by 2042.



With just two exceptions, the Medicare hospital program has run annual cash deficits since 2008. It is now projected to continue running these deficits until 2026.

Both Medicare and Social Security are federally funded programs that have their own tax revenue streams but they are still part of the Federal budget and are still part of overall Federal spending.

Medicare is projected to be insolvent in less than 10 years, now the fact that it won't go bankrupt because the Government will either jack up the tax rate for it or cut services doesn't mean that it isn't part Federal spending.

Rubberfist said:

SFGbob said:

2001400ex said:

SFGbob said:

greenblood said:

Trump painted himself in a corner. Dems would have won either way. Had the government shutdown there would be no military funding, which is much more important to Trump than the wall. Military spending is one of the major things I disagree with him on. I think we need to slash entitlements significantly while at the same time decrease military spending. I would have quite frankly been happy with a shutdown.

Pure crap. Where the fuck do you guys get your information? The Defense Department was funded by a defense spending bill passed in September. They military wouldn't be affected at all by a government shut down. And even if they hadn't been funded by the bill in September the military are all considered to be essential employees and are thus exempt from any government shut down.


Btw, your definition of what constitutes an entitlement program is also crap. Social Security and Medicare are both entitlement programs. Words have meanings boys, you should actually try and learn the definition of them before using them. Otherwise you end up like those dipshits Hondo and CD with your own personal Kunt definition of words.

I'll pose the same question to you. What entitlements programs would you cut from? Quantify how much you'd be able to cut.

I'd completely eliminate all welfare programs and would phase out both Social Security and Medicare over a certain period of time allowing future beneficiaries to opt out of both systems and enter into programs that encourage tax free medical savings and retirement accounts.

Lol. This is the “I listen to a LOT of talk radio to form my opinions” answer.

So under your genious approach what happens when the primary breadwinner (who couldn’t qualify lif insurance) in a family with three kids dies in a brutal car accident. How’s the surviving spouse gonna pay for childcare that will likely run $3-4K per month.

Who doesn't qualify for life insurance? And if the person had opted out of Social Security, again it's their choice, they would still their own retirement account.


Does Social Security today cover the costs of $3 - 4K per month for childcare? Yes or no? Sounds like someone who sucks on a lot of government teat to from his opinion to me.

SFGbob said:

2001400ex said:

SFGbob said:

Medicare, Social Security and Welfare spending currently represent over 50% of all Federal Spending.




in 2017 Medicare spending represented over $700 Billion in Federal spending. In 2000 it was slightly less than $220 Billion.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/248073/distribution-of-medicare-spending-by-service-type/


I love it when Hondo the fucking moron calls me ignorant. Come on now Kunt, double down on your ignorance and post some fucking gibberish that doesn't refute a word I just said.

If you received a paycheck, you might know that SS and Medicare are fully funded from employee and employer payroll. Seriously. I do love the double post to try to show how smart you are.

Look at Hondo the stupid Kunt think that they money paid into Medicare and Social Security aren't just part of the Federal Government's overall tax base.

Hondo is so fucking dumb he probably believes there really is a "lock box" and Social Security savings account with his name on it.


Federal expenditure on Medicare have nearly doubled in the last 10 years but according to Hondo the stupid Kunt that has no impact on our deficit or debt.

The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) recently foreshadowed the Trustees’ latest concerns. CBO recently reported that Medicare spending will double, from last year’s $708 billion to $1.4 trillion by 2027. That growth will make Medicare the biggest driver of federal health care spending, dwarfing Medicaid, Obamacare subsidies, and outlays for the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP). Furthermore, the Trustees estimate that Medicare spending, currently at 3.7 percent of the Gross Domestic Product (GDP), will rise to 5.9 percent of GDP by 2042. In fact, a more realistic alternative scenario projects that spending to reach 6.2 percent of GDP by 2042.



With just two exceptions, the Medicare hospital program has run annual cash deficits since 2008. It is now projected to continue running these deficits until 2026.

Both Medicare and Social Security are federally funded programs that have their own tax revenue streams but they are still part of the Federal budget and are still part of overall Federal spending.

Medicare is projected to be insolvent in less than 10 years, now the fact that it won't go bankrupt because the Government will either jack up the tax rate for it or cut services doesn't mean that it isn't part Federal spending.

Lighten up GayBob. You’ll be dead within the next 10 years. In any case, you are a net SS/Medicare recipient. The rest of us have you covered. RIP!

2001400ex said:

SFGbob said:

2001400ex said:

SFGbob said:

Medicare, Social Security and Welfare spending currently represent over 50% of all Federal Spending.




in 2017 Medicare spending represented over $700 Billion in Federal spending. In 2000 it was slightly less than $220 Billion.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/248073/distribution-of-medicare-spending-by-service-type/


I love it when Hondo the fucking moron calls me ignorant. Come on now Kunt, double down on your ignorance and post some fucking gibberish that doesn't refute a word I just said.

If you received a paycheck, you might know that SS and Medicare are fully funded from employee and employer payroll. Seriously. I do love the double post to try to show how smart you are.

Look at Hondo the stupid Kunt think that they money paid into Medicare and Social Security aren't just part of the Federal Government's overall tax base.

Hondo is so fucking dumb he probably believes there really is a "lock box" and Social Security savings account with his name on it.


Federal expenditure on Medicare have nearly doubled in the last 10 years but according to Hondo the stupid Kunt that has no impact on our deficit or debt.

The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) recently foreshadowed the Trustees’ latest concerns. CBO recently reported that Medicare spending will double, from last year’s $708 billion to $1.4 trillion by 2027. That growth will make Medicare the biggest driver of federal health care spending, dwarfing Medicaid, Obamacare subsidies, and outlays for the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP). Furthermore, the Trustees estimate that Medicare spending, currently at 3.7 percent of the Gross Domestic Product (GDP), will rise to 5.9 percent of GDP by 2042. In fact, a more realistic alternative scenario projects that spending to reach 6.2 percent of GDP by 2042.



With just two exceptions, the Medicare hospital program has run annual cash deficits since 2008. It is now projected to continue running these deficits until 2026.

Both Medicare and Social Security are federally funded programs that have their own tax revenue streams but they are still part of the Federal budget and are still part of overall Federal spending.

Medicare is projected to be insolvent in less than 10 years, now the fact that it won't go bankrupt because the Government will either jack up the tax rate for it or cut services doesn't mean that it isn't part Federal spending.

Where did I say they had zero impact on the deficit or debt? Nice rant tho, your ignorance is on full display.

Hondo goes with the semantics game Kunt act.

The debt isn't growing because of SS or Medicare.

So to recap, Spending on Medicare alone has nearly doubled in the last 10 years and Medicare is currently running a deficit that's made up from General revenue spending by the Federal government but according to Hondo the stupid Kunt, that doesn't cause the debt to grow.

Yes, yes Kunt what I said was so "ignorant" that you're were too big a fucking Kunt to even lay a glove on any of it.

Seriously, I didn't get any of my ideas from talk radio. So Social Security doesn't pay anywhere near $3-4K a month for child care but you "know" the system I proposed would suck because I got the idea from talk radio. Got it.

What happens to a 35 year old unmarried man with no kids who has paid into Social Security for 15 years if he gets hits by a bus? Where does the money he and his employer paid into the system go?

How about a 55 year old who's kids are all grown and who's wife has worked? Where does his money go when he dies of a heart attack?

Btw, if anyone wants to stay in the current Social Security system that option would always be available. My proposal allows people to have a choice. You libs are all about choice I thought?

SFGbob said:

The family maximum benefit from Social Security is a princely $1200 a month.

https://www.aarp.org/retirement/social-security/questions-answers/family-maximum-benefit/

So much for that $3-4K a month for childcare. But my system sucks because I got it from talk radio.

I didn’t say that the benefit was $3-$4k. I said it helps and in my friend’s situation it did help.

And yes your system does suck. Your system is very simple. Simple minds.