Shocking turn of events
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Trump painted himself in a corner. Dems would have won either way. Had the government shutdown there would be no military funding, which is much more important to Trump than the wall. Military spending is one of the major things I disagree with him on. I think we need to slash entitlements significantly while at the same time decrease military spending. I would have quite frankly been happy with a shutdown.
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Agree on military. More on cutting wasteful spending. Go through the departments. But where do your want to cut in entitlements? Curious your thoughts, putting it into dollars.greenblood said:Trump painted himself in a corner. Dems would have won either way. Had the government shutdown there would be no military funding, which is much more important to Trump than the wall. Military spending is one of the major things I disagree with him on. I think we need to slash entitlements significantly while at the same time decrease military spending. I would have quite frankly been happy with a shutdown.
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Entitlements in my mind is collecting benefits without contribution. Unless you are on SSI, you should be forced to work for the government to receive your handout. That could be cleaning up trash for the campgrounds, cleaning beaches, sweeping sidewalks, cleaning highway debris, building and maintaining hiking trails, etc. We pay higher wages and benefits to a limited workforce that can't do any of this efficiently. If you don't, you get nothing, not even food stamps.2001400ex said:
Agree on military. More on cutting wasteful spending. Go through the departments. But where do your want to cut in entitlements? Curious your thoughts, putting it into dollars.greenblood said:Trump painted himself in a corner. Dems would have won either way. Had the government shutdown there would be no military funding, which is much more important to Trump than the wall. Military spending is one of the major things I disagree with him on. I think we need to slash entitlements significantly while at the same time decrease military spending. I would have quite frankly been happy with a shutdown.
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Ok.. Agreed. But what programs do you want to cut from? And quantify how much you think we can cut. Keep in mind, a decent percentage of food stamps goes to people who have a job.greenblood said:
Entitlements in my mind is collecting benefits without contribution. Unless you are on SSI, you should be forced to work for the government to receive your handout. That could be cleaning up trash for the campgrounds, cleaning beaches, sweeping sidewalks, cleaning highway debris, building and maintaining hiking trails, etc. We pay higher wages and benefits to a limited workforce that can't do any of this efficiently. If you don't, you get nothing, not even food stamps.2001400ex said:
Agree on military. More on cutting wasteful spending. Go through the departments. But where do your want to cut in entitlements? Curious your thoughts, putting it into dollars.greenblood said:Trump painted himself in a corner. Dems would have won either way. Had the government shutdown there would be no military funding, which is much more important to Trump than the wall. Military spending is one of the major things I disagree with him on. I think we need to slash entitlements significantly while at the same time decrease military spending. I would have quite frankly been happy with a shutdown.
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greenblood said:
Trump painted himself in a corner. Dems would have won either way. Had the government shutdown there would be no military funding, which is much more important to Trump than the wall. Military spending is one of the major things I disagree with him on. I think we need to slash entitlements significantly while at the same time decrease military spending. I would have quite frankly been happy with a shutdown.
Pure crap. Where the fuck do you guys get your information? The Defense Department was funded by a defense spending bill passed in September. They military wouldn't be affected at all by a government shut down. And even if they hadn't been funded by the bill in September the military are all considered to be essential employees and are thus exempt from any government shut down.
Btw, your definition of what constitutes an entitlement program is also crap. Social Security and Medicare are both entitlement programs. Words have meanings boys, you should actually try and learn the definition of them before using them. Otherwise you end up like those dipshits Hondo and CD with your own personal Kunt definition of words.
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Strange...I seem to have to pay taxes on that shit. So now we end it, and I waste all that money I have been forced to put towards it? Fuck off.SFGbob said:greenblood said:Trump painted himself in a corner. Dems would have won either way. Had the government shutdown there would be no military funding, which is much more important to Trump than the wall. Military spending is one of the major things I disagree with him on. I think we need to slash entitlements significantly while at the same time decrease military spending. I would have quite frankly been happy with a shutdown.
Pure crap. Where the fuck do you guys get your information? The Defense Department was funded by a defense spending bill passed in September. They military wouldn't be affected at all by a government shut down. And even if they hadn't been funded by the bill in September the military are all considered to be essential employees and are thus exempt from any government shut down.
Btw, your definition of what constitutes an entitlement program is also crap. Social Security and Medicare are both entitlement programs. Words have meanings boys, you should actually try and learn the definition of them before using them. Otherwise you end up like those dipshits Hondo and CD with your own personal Kunt definition of words.
I won't need social security when I retire, but I'll definitely want it. -
I'll pose the same question to you. What entitlements programs would you cut from? Quantify how much you'd be able to cut.SFGbob said:greenblood said:Trump painted himself in a corner. Dems would have won either way. Had the government shutdown there would be no military funding, which is much more important to Trump than the wall. Military spending is one of the major things I disagree with him on. I think we need to slash entitlements significantly while at the same time decrease military spending. I would have quite frankly been happy with a shutdown.
Pure crap. Where the fuck do you guys get your information? The Defense Department was funded by a defense spending bill passed in September. They military wouldn't be affected at all by a government shut down. And even if they hadn't been funded by the bill in September the military are all considered to be essential employees and are thus exempt from any government shut down.
Btw, your definition of what constitutes an entitlement program is also crap. Social Security and Medicare are both entitlement programs. Words have meanings boys, you should actually try and learn the definition of them before using them. Otherwise you end up like those dipshits Hondo and CD with your own personal Kunt definition of words. -
You seem to know what percentage goes to people with a job. You tell me how much goes to people without jobs? Then you should have an idea. Those people without jobs can join the government work crew or get cut off benefits. Works in two ways. You move more overpaid government forestry, wildlife, and road crew workers into the private sector, and you pay minimum wage to the people working in the program. We're paying them anyway...2001400ex said:
Ok.. Agreed. But what programs do you want to cut from? And quantify how much you think we can cut. Keep in mind, a decent percentage of food stamps goes to people who have a job.greenblood said:
Entitlements in my mind is collecting benefits without contribution. Unless you are on SSI, you should be forced to work for the government to receive your handout. That could be cleaning up trash for the campgrounds, cleaning beaches, sweeping sidewalks, cleaning highway debris, building and maintaining hiking trails, etc. We pay higher wages and benefits to a limited workforce that can't do any of this efficiently. If you don't, you get nothing, not even food stamps.2001400ex said:
Agree on military. More on cutting wasteful spending. Go through the departments. But where do your want to cut in entitlements? Curious your thoughts, putting it into dollars.greenblood said:Trump painted himself in a corner. Dems would have won either way. Had the government shutdown there would be no military funding, which is much more important to Trump than the wall. Military spending is one of the major things I disagree with him on. I think we need to slash entitlements significantly while at the same time decrease military spending. I would have quite frankly been happy with a shutdown.
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I don't know the percentage but Google can tell you. Ok food stamps.... How much to you think you can save if your program was implemented?greenblood said:
You seem to know what percentage goes to people with a job. You tell me how much goes to people without jobs? Then you should have an idea. Those people without jobs can join the government work crew or get cut off benefits. Works in two ways. You move more overpaid government forestry, wildlife, and road crew workers into the private sector, and you pay minimum wage to the people working in the program. We're paying them anyway...2001400ex said:
Ok.. Agreed. But what programs do you want to cut from? And quantify how much you think we can cut. Keep in mind, a decent percentage of food stamps goes to people who have a job.greenblood said:
Entitlements in my mind is collecting benefits without contribution. Unless you are on SSI, you should be forced to work for the government to receive your handout. That could be cleaning up trash for the campgrounds, cleaning beaches, sweeping sidewalks, cleaning highway debris, building and maintaining hiking trails, etc. We pay higher wages and benefits to a limited workforce that can't do any of this efficiently. If you don't, you get nothing, not even food stamps.2001400ex said:
Agree on military. More on cutting wasteful spending. Go through the departments. But where do your want to cut in entitlements? Curious your thoughts, putting it into dollars.greenblood said:Trump painted himself in a corner. Dems would have won either way. Had the government shutdown there would be no military funding, which is much more important to Trump than the wall. Military spending is one of the major things I disagree with him on. I think we need to slash entitlements significantly while at the same time decrease military spending. I would have quite frankly been happy with a shutdown.
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I'd completely eliminate all welfare programs and would phase out both Social Security and Medicare over a certain period of time allowing future beneficiaries to opt out of both systems and enter into programs that encourage tax free medical savings and retirement accounts.2001400ex said:
I'll pose the same question to you. What entitlements programs would you cut from? Quantify how much you'd be able to cut.SFGbob said:greenblood said:Trump painted himself in a corner. Dems would have won either way. Had the government shutdown there would be no military funding, which is much more important to Trump than the wall. Military spending is one of the major things I disagree with him on. I think we need to slash entitlements significantly while at the same time decrease military spending. I would have quite frankly been happy with a shutdown.
Pure crap. Where the fuck do you guys get your information? The Defense Department was funded by a defense spending bill passed in September. They military wouldn't be affected at all by a government shut down. And even if they hadn't been funded by the bill in September the military are all considered to be essential employees and are thus exempt from any government shut down.
Btw, your definition of what constitutes an entitlement program is also crap. Social Security and Medicare are both entitlement programs. Words have meanings boys, you should actually try and learn the definition of them before using them. Otherwise you end up like those dipshits Hondo and CD with your own personal Kunt definition of words.
