Medicare for all saves $5.1 trillion, new study
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Thank you for the enlightenment. Now I understand how the Canadian system is superior.UW_Doog_Bot said:
It doesn't count if you don't die in a hospital!Blu82 said:
OK, as long as you call dying because of rationed access superior.allpurpleallgold said:
All you need to know about the American healthcare system is it still ranks below Canada.Blu82 said:All we need to do in order to make informed decisions about socialized medicine is look to our friends to the north. Specifically, to the city of Calgary. From the time period of 1985 to 2005, 2 hospitals in the city of Calgary were closed. There had been no new hospitals built or substantially expanded during that time. From 1985 to 2005 the population doubled in that city.
Do you think demand dropped that much? If so, do tell.
Also, during that time the Heart Institute in Spokane had approximately 30% of its patients coming from Canada. (I know several of the docs that owned it.) The Canadians were in Spokane for treatment because they would die waiting in line in the wonderful Canadian system.
Liberalism, find a cure. -
Don't forget the great healthcare in Cuba
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I mean I appreciate you're anecdotal evidence, it means fuck all but thank you for sharing.Blu82 said:
OK, as long as you call dying because of rationed access superior.allpurpleallgold said:
All you need to know about the American healthcare system is it still ranks below Canada.Blu82 said:All we need to do in order to make informed decisions about socialized medicine is look to our friends to the north. Specifically, to the city of Calgary. From the time period of 1985 to 2005, 2 hospitals in the city of Calgary were closed. There had been no new hospitals built or substantially expanded during that time. From 1985 to 2005 the population doubled in that city.
Do you think demand dropped that much? If so, do tell.
Also, during that time the Heart Institute in Spokane had approximately 30% of its patients coming from Canada. (I know several of the docs that owned it.) The Canadians were in Spokane for treatment because they would die waiting in line in the wonderful Canadian system.
Liberalism, find a cure. -
I like to make unsubstantiated claims about medicare for all's savings and then mock people for anecdotal evidence. That's a thing I like to do.allpurpleallgold said:
I mean I appreciate you're anecdotal evidence, it means fuck all but thank you for sharing.Blu82 said:
OK, as long as you call dying because of rationed access superior.allpurpleallgold said:
All you need to know about the American healthcare system is it still ranks below Canada.Blu82 said:All we need to do in order to make informed decisions about socialized medicine is look to our friends to the north. Specifically, to the city of Calgary. From the time period of 1985 to 2005, 2 hospitals in the city of Calgary were closed. There had been no new hospitals built or substantially expanded during that time. From 1985 to 2005 the population doubled in that city.
Do you think demand dropped that much? If so, do tell.
Also, during that time the Heart Institute in Spokane had approximately 30% of its patients coming from Canada. (I know several of the docs that owned it.) The Canadians were in Spokane for treatment because they would die waiting in line in the wonderful Canadian system.
Liberalism, find a cure.
Also,
https://forbes.com/sites/quora/2017/06/13/why-the-us-has-better-cancer-survival-rates-than-the-rest-of-the-world/#35b122974b67
We have better access to better care and the freedom to purchase it ourselves instead of a government panel deciding that we aren't worth the "marginal improvement in life expectancy over a population". -
but I thought Obamacare provided us with death panels? Did I hear wrong?UW_Doog_Bot said:
I like to make unsubstantiated claims about medicare for all's savings and then mock people for anecdotal evidence. That's a thing I like to do.allpurpleallgold said:
I mean I appreciate you're anecdotal evidence, it means fuck all but thank you for sharing.Blu82 said:
OK, as long as you call dying because of rationed access superior.allpurpleallgold said:
All you need to know about the American healthcare system is it still ranks below Canada.Blu82 said:All we need to do in order to make informed decisions about socialized medicine is look to our friends to the north. Specifically, to the city of Calgary. From the time period of 1985 to 2005, 2 hospitals in the city of Calgary were closed. There had been no new hospitals built or substantially expanded during that time. From 1985 to 2005 the population doubled in that city.
Do you think demand dropped that much? If so, do tell.
Also, during that time the Heart Institute in Spokane had approximately 30% of its patients coming from Canada. (I know several of the docs that owned it.) The Canadians were in Spokane for treatment because they would die waiting in line in the wonderful Canadian system.
Liberalism, find a cure.
Also,
https://forbes.com/sites/quora/2017/06/13/why-the-us-has-better-cancer-survival-rates-than-the-rest-of-the-world/#35b122974b67
We have better access to better care and the freedom to purchase it ourselves instead of a government panel deciding that we aren't worth the "marginal improvement in life expectancy over a population". -
Breathtakingly stupid2001400ex said:
but I thought Obamacare provided us with death panels? Did I hear wrong?UW_Doog_Bot said:
I like to make unsubstantiated claims about medicare for all's savings and then mock people for anecdotal evidence. That's a thing I like to do.allpurpleallgold said:
I mean I appreciate you're anecdotal evidence, it means fuck all but thank you for sharing.Blu82 said:
OK, as long as you call dying because of rationed access superior.allpurpleallgold said:
All you need to know about the American healthcare system is it still ranks below Canada.Blu82 said:All we need to do in order to make informed decisions about socialized medicine is look to our friends to the north. Specifically, to the city of Calgary. From the time period of 1985 to 2005, 2 hospitals in the city of Calgary were closed. There had been no new hospitals built or substantially expanded during that time. From 1985 to 2005 the population doubled in that city.
Do you think demand dropped that much? If so, do tell.
Also, during that time the Heart Institute in Spokane had approximately 30% of its patients coming from Canada. (I know several of the docs that owned it.) The Canadians were in Spokane for treatment because they would die waiting in line in the wonderful Canadian system.
Liberalism, find a cure.
Also,
https://forbes.com/sites/quora/2017/06/13/why-the-us-has-better-cancer-survival-rates-than-the-rest-of-the-world/#35b122974b67
We have better access to better care and the freedom to purchase it ourselves instead of a government panel deciding that we aren't worth the "marginal improvement in life expectancy over a population". -
HondoFS defending this abortion of a healthcare system like a good #clockworkshill lapdog.
LRR -
Hondo, here's another question for you to dodge. If I have brain cancer and I'm on some form of government healthcare and my only hope is experimental brain surgery will my government healthcare pay for that?2001400ex said:
but I thought Obamacare provided us with death panels? Did I hear wrong?UW_Doog_Bot said:
I like to make unsubstantiated claims about medicare for all's savings and then mock people for anecdotal evidence. That's a thing I like to do.allpurpleallgold said:
I mean I appreciate you're anecdotal evidence, it means fuck all but thank you for sharing.Blu82 said:
OK, as long as you call dying because of rationed access superior.allpurpleallgold said:
All you need to know about the American healthcare system is it still ranks below Canada.Blu82 said:All we need to do in order to make informed decisions about socialized medicine is look to our friends to the north. Specifically, to the city of Calgary. From the time period of 1985 to 2005, 2 hospitals in the city of Calgary were closed. There had been no new hospitals built or substantially expanded during that time. From 1985 to 2005 the population doubled in that city.
Do you think demand dropped that much? If so, do tell.
Also, during that time the Heart Institute in Spokane had approximately 30% of its patients coming from Canada. (I know several of the docs that owned it.) The Canadians were in Spokane for treatment because they would die waiting in line in the wonderful Canadian system.
Liberalism, find a cure.
Also,
https://forbes.com/sites/quora/2017/06/13/why-the-us-has-better-cancer-survival-rates-than-the-rest-of-the-world/#35b122974b67
We have better access to better care and the freedom to purchase it ourselves instead of a government panel deciding that we aren't worth the "marginal improvement in life expectancy over a population". -
El oh El. You can that defending?pawz said:HondoFS defending this abortion of a healthcare system like a good #clockworkshill lapdog.
LRR -
Going bankrupt to live an extra 3 months = great healthcare.UW_Doog_Bot said:
I like to make unsubstantiated claims about medicare for all's savings and then mock people for anecdotal evidence. That's a thing I like to do.allpurpleallgold said:
I mean I appreciate you're anecdotal evidence, it means fuck all but thank you for sharing.Blu82 said:
OK, as long as you call dying because of rationed access superior.allpurpleallgold said:
All you need to know about the American healthcare system is it still ranks below Canada.Blu82 said:All we need to do in order to make informed decisions about socialized medicine is look to our friends to the north. Specifically, to the city of Calgary. From the time period of 1985 to 2005, 2 hospitals in the city of Calgary were closed. There had been no new hospitals built or substantially expanded during that time. From 1985 to 2005 the population doubled in that city.
Do you think demand dropped that much? If so, do tell.
Also, during that time the Heart Institute in Spokane had approximately 30% of its patients coming from Canada. (I know several of the docs that owned it.) The Canadians were in Spokane for treatment because they would die waiting in line in the wonderful Canadian system.
Liberalism, find a cure.
Also,
https://forbes.com/sites/quora/2017/06/13/why-the-us-has-better-cancer-survival-rates-than-the-rest-of-the-world/#35b122974b67
We have better access to better care and the freedom to purchase it ourselves instead of a government panel deciding that we aren't worth the "marginal improvement in life expectancy over a population". -
Here's my boring healthcare story
My wife got a new job a few months ago so she doesn't get health insurance until after 90 days.
She goes to Fred Meyer's to pick up her "We Don't Want No Babies" pill and Prilosec.
"Did your health insurance change?"
"Oh...yeah...I don't have health insurance right now."
So they go to check to see how much her prescriptions will be...I'm standing like "Fuck me....here it comes."
"$16 and $10."
WTF???!!! How she goes in with no insurance and prescriptions GO DOWN about 50%? Why the fuck do we have insurance anyways? -
My mom went an extra 5 or 6 years healthy as a horse (sorry PETA) but with severe dementia in a home because we didn't have the GUTS to kill her like she asked when she was still of sound mindallpurpleallgold said:
Going bankrupt to live an extra 3 months = great healthcare.UW_Doog_Bot said:
I like to make unsubstantiated claims about medicare for all's savings and then mock people for anecdotal evidence. That's a thing I like to do.allpurpleallgold said:
I mean I appreciate you're anecdotal evidence, it means fuck all but thank you for sharing.Blu82 said:
OK, as long as you call dying because of rationed access superior.allpurpleallgold said:
All you need to know about the American healthcare system is it still ranks below Canada.Blu82 said:All we need to do in order to make informed decisions about socialized medicine is look to our friends to the north. Specifically, to the city of Calgary. From the time period of 1985 to 2005, 2 hospitals in the city of Calgary were closed. There had been no new hospitals built or substantially expanded during that time. From 1985 to 2005 the population doubled in that city.
Do you think demand dropped that much? If so, do tell.
Also, during that time the Heart Institute in Spokane had approximately 30% of its patients coming from Canada. (I know several of the docs that owned it.) The Canadians were in Spokane for treatment because they would die waiting in line in the wonderful Canadian system.
Liberalism, find a cure.
Also,
https://forbes.com/sites/quora/2017/06/13/why-the-us-has-better-cancer-survival-rates-than-the-rest-of-the-world/#35b122974b67
We have better access to better care and the freedom to purchase it ourselves instead of a government panel deciding that we aren't worth the "marginal improvement in life expectancy over a population".
We need to set up a system for people to declare they want to be offed regardless of the other issues. -
Ts and Ps.RaceBannon said:
My mom went an extra 5 or 6 years healthy as a horse (sorry PETA) but with severe dementia in a home because we didn't have the GUTS to kill her like she asked when she was still of sound mindallpurpleallgold said:
Going bankrupt to live an extra 3 months = great healthcare.UW_Doog_Bot said:
I like to make unsubstantiated claims about medicare for all's savings and then mock people for anecdotal evidence. That's a thing I like to do.allpurpleallgold said:
I mean I appreciate you're anecdotal evidence, it means fuck all but thank you for sharing.Blu82 said:
OK, as long as you call dying because of rationed access superior.allpurpleallgold said:
All you need to know about the American healthcare system is it still ranks below Canada.Blu82 said:All we need to do in order to make informed decisions about socialized medicine is look to our friends to the north. Specifically, to the city of Calgary. From the time period of 1985 to 2005, 2 hospitals in the city of Calgary were closed. There had been no new hospitals built or substantially expanded during that time. From 1985 to 2005 the population doubled in that city.
Do you think demand dropped that much? If so, do tell.
Also, during that time the Heart Institute in Spokane had approximately 30% of its patients coming from Canada. (I know several of the docs that owned it.) The Canadians were in Spokane for treatment because they would die waiting in line in the wonderful Canadian system.
Liberalism, find a cure.
Also,
https://forbes.com/sites/quora/2017/06/13/why-the-us-has-better-cancer-survival-rates-than-the-rest-of-the-world/#35b122974b67
We have better access to better care and the freedom to purchase it ourselves instead of a government panel deciding that we aren't worth the "marginal improvement in life expectancy over a population".
We need to set up a system for people to declare they want to be offed regardless of the other issues. -
I have some names for that list!RaceBannon said:
My mom went an extra 5 or 6 years healthy as a horse (sorry PETA) but with severe dementia in a home because we didn't have the GUTS to kill her like she asked when she was still of sound mindallpurpleallgold said:
Going bankrupt to live an extra 3 months = great healthcare.UW_Doog_Bot said:
I like to make unsubstantiated claims about medicare for all's savings and then mock people for anecdotal evidence. That's a thing I like to do.allpurpleallgold said:
I mean I appreciate you're anecdotal evidence, it means fuck all but thank you for sharing.Blu82 said:
OK, as long as you call dying because of rationed access superior.allpurpleallgold said:
All you need to know about the American healthcare system is it still ranks below Canada.Blu82 said:All we need to do in order to make informed decisions about socialized medicine is look to our friends to the north. Specifically, to the city of Calgary. From the time period of 1985 to 2005, 2 hospitals in the city of Calgary were closed. There had been no new hospitals built or substantially expanded during that time. From 1985 to 2005 the population doubled in that city.
Do you think demand dropped that much? If so, do tell.
Also, during that time the Heart Institute in Spokane had approximately 30% of its patients coming from Canada. (I know several of the docs that owned it.) The Canadians were in Spokane for treatment because they would die waiting in line in the wonderful Canadian system.
Liberalism, find a cure.
Also,
https://forbes.com/sites/quora/2017/06/13/why-the-us-has-better-cancer-survival-rates-than-the-rest-of-the-world/#35b122974b67
We have better access to better care and the freedom to purchase it ourselves instead of a government panel deciding that we aren't worth the "marginal improvement in life expectancy over a population".
We need to set up a system for people to declare they want to be offed regardless of the other issues. -
If people were truly going bankrupt in order to keep grandma alive for 3 more months, they wouldn't being doing it. The problem is that people demand that their insurance keep grandma alive for 3 more months because they know they aren't paying the bill.allpurpleallgold said:
Going bankrupt to live an extra 3 months = great healthcare.UW_Doog_Bot said:
I like to make unsubstantiated claims about medicare for all's savings and then mock people for anecdotal evidence. That's a thing I like to do.allpurpleallgold said:
I mean I appreciate you're anecdotal evidence, it means fuck all but thank you for sharing.Blu82 said:
OK, as long as you call dying because of rationed access superior.allpurpleallgold said:
All you need to know about the American healthcare system is it still ranks below Canada.Blu82 said:All we need to do in order to make informed decisions about socialized medicine is look to our friends to the north. Specifically, to the city of Calgary. From the time period of 1985 to 2005, 2 hospitals in the city of Calgary were closed. There had been no new hospitals built or substantially expanded during that time. From 1985 to 2005 the population doubled in that city.
Do you think demand dropped that much? If so, do tell.
Also, during that time the Heart Institute in Spokane had approximately 30% of its patients coming from Canada. (I know several of the docs that owned it.) The Canadians were in Spokane for treatment because they would die waiting in line in the wonderful Canadian system.
Liberalism, find a cure.
Also,
https://forbes.com/sites/quora/2017/06/13/why-the-us-has-better-cancer-survival-rates-than-the-rest-of-the-world/#35b122974b67
We have better access to better care and the freedom to purchase it ourselves instead of a government panel deciding that we aren't worth the "marginal improvement in life expectancy over a population". -
You prefer the government telling you to get in a year long line for treatment when you'll die of neglect in six months?allpurpleallgold said:
Going bankrupt to live an extra 3 months = great healthcare.UW_Doog_Bot said:
I like to make unsubstantiated claims about medicare for all's savings and then mock people for anecdotal evidence. That's a thing I like to do.allpurpleallgold said:
I mean I appreciate you're anecdotal evidence, it means fuck all but thank you for sharing.Blu82 said:
OK, as long as you call dying because of rationed access superior.allpurpleallgold said:
All you need to know about the American healthcare system is it still ranks below Canada.Blu82 said:All we need to do in order to make informed decisions about socialized medicine is look to our friends to the north. Specifically, to the city of Calgary. From the time period of 1985 to 2005, 2 hospitals in the city of Calgary were closed. There had been no new hospitals built or substantially expanded during that time. From 1985 to 2005 the population doubled in that city.
Do you think demand dropped that much? If so, do tell.
Also, during that time the Heart Institute in Spokane had approximately 30% of its patients coming from Canada. (I know several of the docs that owned it.) The Canadians were in Spokane for treatment because they would die waiting in line in the wonderful Canadian system.
Liberalism, find a cure.
Also,
https://forbes.com/sites/quora/2017/06/13/why-the-us-has-better-cancer-survival-rates-than-the-rest-of-the-world/#35b122974b67
We have better access to better care and the freedom to purchase it ourselves instead of a government panel deciding that we aren't worth the "marginal improvement in life expectancy over a population". -
The best thing you could do for healthcare in this country is get the government out of it entirely.
Make it legal for people to put aside pre-tax money in a medical savings account just as they now do for retirement and allow people to use that money for their healthcare expenses. If they have any money left over in their account at the end of their life they can pass it on like they would any other asset. Put some incentive into not spending everything just to keep grandma alive for 3 months.
