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Medicare for all saves $5.1 trillion, new study

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  • mobeymobey Member Posts: 3,254
    Why would we do this?

    The stable genius is going to make healthcare available for everyone very cheaply - and it won't even be that hard.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K8mw1-KGCQg

    I can’t wait for the mental gymnastics you guys will be doing when Trump supports it.

    Imagine asking how we’re going to pay for something that costs less than what we’re already paying. But Ocasio-Cortez is the idiot that doesn’t understand basic economics and how things work in the real world. You guys are fucking clowns.

  • Blu82Blu82 Member Posts: 1,570
    All we need to do in order to make informed decisions about socialized medicine is look to our friends to the north. Specifically, to the city of Calgary. From the time period of 1985 to 2005, 2 hospitals in the city of Calgary were closed. There had been no new hospitals built or substantially expanded during that time. From 1985 to 2005 the population doubled in that city.
    Do you think demand dropped that much? If so, do tell.
    Also, during that time the Heart Institute in Spokane had approximately 30% of its patients coming from Canada. (I know several of the docs that owned it.) The Canadians were in Spokane for treatment because they would die waiting in line in the wonderful Canadian system.

    Liberalism, find a cure.
  • allpurpleallgoldallpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771
    Blu82 said:

    All we need to do in order to make informed decisions about socialized medicine is look to our friends to the north. Specifically, to the city of Calgary. From the time period of 1985 to 2005, 2 hospitals in the city of Calgary were closed. There had been no new hospitals built or substantially expanded during that time. From 1985 to 2005 the population doubled in that city.
    Do you think demand dropped that much? If so, do tell.
    Also, during that time the Heart Institute in Spokane had approximately 30% of its patients coming from Canada. (I know several of the docs that owned it.) The Canadians were in Spokane for treatment because they would die waiting in line in the wonderful Canadian system.

    Liberalism, find a cure.

    All you need to know about the American healthcare system is it still ranks below Canada.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,790 Founders Club

    Blu82 said:

    All we need to do in order to make informed decisions about socialized medicine is look to our friends to the north. Specifically, to the city of Calgary. From the time period of 1985 to 2005, 2 hospitals in the city of Calgary were closed. There had been no new hospitals built or substantially expanded during that time. From 1985 to 2005 the population doubled in that city.
    Do you think demand dropped that much? If so, do tell.
    Also, during that time the Heart Institute in Spokane had approximately 30% of its patients coming from Canada. (I know several of the docs that owned it.) The Canadians were in Spokane for treatment because they would die waiting in line in the wonderful Canadian system.

    Liberalism, find a cure.

    All you need to know about the American healthcare system is it still ranks below Canada.
    AP or Coaches poll?

    Canucks still come to Seattle for healthcare too
  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 15,774 Swaye's Wigwam

    Blu82 said:

    All we need to do in order to make informed decisions about socialized medicine is look to our friends to the north. Specifically, to the city of Calgary. From the time period of 1985 to 2005, 2 hospitals in the city of Calgary were closed. There had been no new hospitals built or substantially expanded during that time. From 1985 to 2005 the population doubled in that city.
    Do you think demand dropped that much? If so, do tell.
    Also, during that time the Heart Institute in Spokane had approximately 30% of its patients coming from Canada. (I know several of the docs that owned it.) The Canadians were in Spokane for treatment because they would die waiting in line in the wonderful Canadian system.

    Liberalism, find a cure.

    All you need to know about the American healthcare system is it still ranks below Canada.
    Really? According to what metrics?

    Also, solid shift away from providing evidence about medicare for all's savings. Wouldn't want to have to do that.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    Blu82 said:

    All we need to do in order to make informed decisions about socialized medicine is look to our friends to the north. Specifically, to the city of Calgary. From the time period of 1985 to 2005, 2 hospitals in the city of Calgary were closed. There had been no new hospitals built or substantially expanded during that time. From 1985 to 2005 the population doubled in that city.
    Do you think demand dropped that much? If so, do tell.
    Also, during that time the Heart Institute in Spokane had approximately 30% of its patients coming from Canada. (I know several of the docs that owned it.) The Canadians were in Spokane for treatment because they would die waiting in line in the wonderful Canadian system.

    Liberalism, find a cure.

    All you need to know about the American healthcare system is it still ranks below Canada.
    But what about Venezuela?
  • BleachedAnusDawgBleachedAnusDawg Member Posts: 11,526
    It doesn't take much reading to figure out that the savings portrayed here is only one scenario in the report, and that another scenario which is not as liberal about projected savings for drug and administrative costs shows that it would cost trillions more. But please, let's just cherry pick the information that agrees with what we want to believe is true.
  • Blu82Blu82 Member Posts: 1,570

    Blu82 said:

    All we need to do in order to make informed decisions about socialized medicine is look to our friends to the north. Specifically, to the city of Calgary. From the time period of 1985 to 2005, 2 hospitals in the city of Calgary were closed. There had been no new hospitals built or substantially expanded during that time. From 1985 to 2005 the population doubled in that city.
    Do you think demand dropped that much? If so, do tell.
    Also, during that time the Heart Institute in Spokane had approximately 30% of its patients coming from Canada. (I know several of the docs that owned it.) The Canadians were in Spokane for treatment because they would die waiting in line in the wonderful Canadian system.

    Liberalism, find a cure.

    All you need to know about the American healthcare system is it still ranks below Canada.
    OK, as long as you call dying because of rationed access superior.
  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 15,774 Swaye's Wigwam
    Blu82 said:

    Blu82 said:

    All we need to do in order to make informed decisions about socialized medicine is look to our friends to the north. Specifically, to the city of Calgary. From the time period of 1985 to 2005, 2 hospitals in the city of Calgary were closed. There had been no new hospitals built or substantially expanded during that time. From 1985 to 2005 the population doubled in that city.
    Do you think demand dropped that much? If so, do tell.
    Also, during that time the Heart Institute in Spokane had approximately 30% of its patients coming from Canada. (I know several of the docs that owned it.) The Canadians were in Spokane for treatment because they would die waiting in line in the wonderful Canadian system.

    Liberalism, find a cure.

    All you need to know about the American healthcare system is it still ranks below Canada.
    OK, as long as you call dying because of rationed access superior.
    It doesn't count if you don't die in a hospital!
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    edited December 2018

    It doesn't take much reading to figure out that the savings portrayed here is only one scenario in the report, and that another scenario which is not as liberal about projected savings for drug and administrative costs shows that it would cost trillions more. But please, let's just cherry pick the information that agrees with what we want to believe is true.

    I prefer to think the cost will be $32 trillion. And not consider and other factors. That's the smart thing to do.
  • Blu82Blu82 Member Posts: 1,570

    Blu82 said:

    Blu82 said:

    All we need to do in order to make informed decisions about socialized medicine is look to our friends to the north. Specifically, to the city of Calgary. From the time period of 1985 to 2005, 2 hospitals in the city of Calgary were closed. There had been no new hospitals built or substantially expanded during that time. From 1985 to 2005 the population doubled in that city.
    Do you think demand dropped that much? If so, do tell.
    Also, during that time the Heart Institute in Spokane had approximately 30% of its patients coming from Canada. (I know several of the docs that owned it.) The Canadians were in Spokane for treatment because they would die waiting in line in the wonderful Canadian system.

    Liberalism, find a cure.

    All you need to know about the American healthcare system is it still ranks below Canada.
    OK, as long as you call dying because of rationed access superior.
    It doesn't count if you don't die in a hospital!
    Thank you for the enlightenment. Now I understand how the Canadian system is superior.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,790 Founders Club
    Don't forget the great healthcare in Cuba
  • allpurpleallgoldallpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771
    Blu82 said:

    Blu82 said:

    All we need to do in order to make informed decisions about socialized medicine is look to our friends to the north. Specifically, to the city of Calgary. From the time period of 1985 to 2005, 2 hospitals in the city of Calgary were closed. There had been no new hospitals built or substantially expanded during that time. From 1985 to 2005 the population doubled in that city.
    Do you think demand dropped that much? If so, do tell.
    Also, during that time the Heart Institute in Spokane had approximately 30% of its patients coming from Canada. (I know several of the docs that owned it.) The Canadians were in Spokane for treatment because they would die waiting in line in the wonderful Canadian system.

    Liberalism, find a cure.

    All you need to know about the American healthcare system is it still ranks below Canada.
    OK, as long as you call dying because of rationed access superior.
    I mean I appreciate you're anecdotal evidence, it means fuck all but thank you for sharing.
  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 15,774 Swaye's Wigwam

    Blu82 said:

    Blu82 said:

    All we need to do in order to make informed decisions about socialized medicine is look to our friends to the north. Specifically, to the city of Calgary. From the time period of 1985 to 2005, 2 hospitals in the city of Calgary were closed. There had been no new hospitals built or substantially expanded during that time. From 1985 to 2005 the population doubled in that city.
    Do you think demand dropped that much? If so, do tell.
    Also, during that time the Heart Institute in Spokane had approximately 30% of its patients coming from Canada. (I know several of the docs that owned it.) The Canadians were in Spokane for treatment because they would die waiting in line in the wonderful Canadian system.

    Liberalism, find a cure.

    All you need to know about the American healthcare system is it still ranks below Canada.
    OK, as long as you call dying because of rationed access superior.
    I mean I appreciate you're anecdotal evidence, it means fuck all but thank you for sharing.
    I like to make unsubstantiated claims about medicare for all's savings and then mock people for anecdotal evidence. That's a thing I like to do.

    Also,

    https://forbes.com/sites/quora/2017/06/13/why-the-us-has-better-cancer-survival-rates-than-the-rest-of-the-world/#35b122974b67

    We have better access to better care and the freedom to purchase it ourselves instead of a government panel deciding that we aren't worth the "marginal improvement in life expectancy over a population".
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457



    Blu82 said:

    Blu82 said:

    All we need to do in order to make informed decisions about socialized medicine is look to our friends to the north. Specifically, to the city of Calgary. From the time period of 1985 to 2005, 2 hospitals in the city of Calgary were closed. There had been no new hospitals built or substantially expanded during that time. From 1985 to 2005 the population doubled in that city.
    Do you think demand dropped that much? If so, do tell.
    Also, during that time the Heart Institute in Spokane had approximately 30% of its patients coming from Canada. (I know several of the docs that owned it.) The Canadians were in Spokane for treatment because they would die waiting in line in the wonderful Canadian system.

    Liberalism, find a cure.

    All you need to know about the American healthcare system is it still ranks below Canada.
    OK, as long as you call dying because of rationed access superior.
    I mean I appreciate you're anecdotal evidence, it means fuck all but thank you for sharing.
    I like to make unsubstantiated claims about medicare for all's savings and then mock people for anecdotal evidence. That's a thing I like to do.

    Also,

    https://forbes.com/sites/quora/2017/06/13/why-the-us-has-better-cancer-survival-rates-than-the-rest-of-the-world/#35b122974b67

    We have better access to better care and the freedom to purchase it ourselves instead of a government panel deciding that we aren't worth the "marginal improvement in life expectancy over a population".
    but I thought Obamacare provided us with death panels? Did I hear wrong?
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,790 Founders Club
    2001400ex said:



    Blu82 said:

    Blu82 said:

    All we need to do in order to make informed decisions about socialized medicine is look to our friends to the north. Specifically, to the city of Calgary. From the time period of 1985 to 2005, 2 hospitals in the city of Calgary were closed. There had been no new hospitals built or substantially expanded during that time. From 1985 to 2005 the population doubled in that city.
    Do you think demand dropped that much? If so, do tell.
    Also, during that time the Heart Institute in Spokane had approximately 30% of its patients coming from Canada. (I know several of the docs that owned it.) The Canadians were in Spokane for treatment because they would die waiting in line in the wonderful Canadian system.

    Liberalism, find a cure.

    All you need to know about the American healthcare system is it still ranks below Canada.
    OK, as long as you call dying because of rationed access superior.
    I mean I appreciate you're anecdotal evidence, it means fuck all but thank you for sharing.
    I like to make unsubstantiated claims about medicare for all's savings and then mock people for anecdotal evidence. That's a thing I like to do.

    Also,

    https://forbes.com/sites/quora/2017/06/13/why-the-us-has-better-cancer-survival-rates-than-the-rest-of-the-world/#35b122974b67

    We have better access to better care and the freedom to purchase it ourselves instead of a government panel deciding that we aren't worth the "marginal improvement in life expectancy over a population".
    but I thought Obamacare provided us with death panels? Did I hear wrong?
    Breathtakingly stupid
  • pawzpawz Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 20,924 Founders Club
    HondoFS defending this abortion of a healthcare system like a good #clockworkshill lapdog.

    LRR
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,203
    2001400ex said:



    Blu82 said:

    Blu82 said:

    All we need to do in order to make informed decisions about socialized medicine is look to our friends to the north. Specifically, to the city of Calgary. From the time period of 1985 to 2005, 2 hospitals in the city of Calgary were closed. There had been no new hospitals built or substantially expanded during that time. From 1985 to 2005 the population doubled in that city.
    Do you think demand dropped that much? If so, do tell.
    Also, during that time the Heart Institute in Spokane had approximately 30% of its patients coming from Canada. (I know several of the docs that owned it.) The Canadians were in Spokane for treatment because they would die waiting in line in the wonderful Canadian system.

    Liberalism, find a cure.

    All you need to know about the American healthcare system is it still ranks below Canada.
    OK, as long as you call dying because of rationed access superior.
    I mean I appreciate you're anecdotal evidence, it means fuck all but thank you for sharing.
    I like to make unsubstantiated claims about medicare for all's savings and then mock people for anecdotal evidence. That's a thing I like to do.

    Also,

    https://forbes.com/sites/quora/2017/06/13/why-the-us-has-better-cancer-survival-rates-than-the-rest-of-the-world/#35b122974b67

    We have better access to better care and the freedom to purchase it ourselves instead of a government panel deciding that we aren't worth the "marginal improvement in life expectancy over a population".
    but I thought Obamacare provided us with death panels? Did I hear wrong?
    Hondo, here's another question for you to dodge. If I have brain cancer and I'm on some form of government healthcare and my only hope is experimental brain surgery will my government healthcare pay for that?
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    pawz said:

    HondoFS defending this abortion of a healthcare system like a good #clockworkshill lapdog.

    LRR

    El oh El. You can that defending?
  • allpurpleallgoldallpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771



    Blu82 said:

    Blu82 said:

    All we need to do in order to make informed decisions about socialized medicine is look to our friends to the north. Specifically, to the city of Calgary. From the time period of 1985 to 2005, 2 hospitals in the city of Calgary were closed. There had been no new hospitals built or substantially expanded during that time. From 1985 to 2005 the population doubled in that city.
    Do you think demand dropped that much? If so, do tell.
    Also, during that time the Heart Institute in Spokane had approximately 30% of its patients coming from Canada. (I know several of the docs that owned it.) The Canadians were in Spokane for treatment because they would die waiting in line in the wonderful Canadian system.

    Liberalism, find a cure.

    All you need to know about the American healthcare system is it still ranks below Canada.
    OK, as long as you call dying because of rationed access superior.
    I mean I appreciate you're anecdotal evidence, it means fuck all but thank you for sharing.
    I like to make unsubstantiated claims about medicare for all's savings and then mock people for anecdotal evidence. That's a thing I like to do.

    Also,

    https://forbes.com/sites/quora/2017/06/13/why-the-us-has-better-cancer-survival-rates-than-the-rest-of-the-world/#35b122974b67

    We have better access to better care and the freedom to purchase it ourselves instead of a government panel deciding that we aren't worth the "marginal improvement in life expectancy over a population".
    Going bankrupt to live an extra 3 months = great healthcare.
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