Medicare for all saves $5.1 trillion, new study
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K8mw1-KGCQgI can’t wait for the mental gymnastics you guys will be doing when Trump supports it.
Imagine asking how we’re going to pay for something that costs less than what we’re already paying. But Ocasio-Cortez is the idiot that doesn’t understand basic economics and how things work in the real world. You guys are fucking clowns.
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Nice link to the awesome news!
Can I keep my doctor and save $2,500.00 a year? -
No, you can not keep your doctor. You will be switching to Dr Kevorkian. Please schedule an appointment ASAP.Sledog said:Nice link to the awesome news!
Can I keep my doctor and save $2,500.00 a year? -
Cliff notes?
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Can’t you just read the headline like everybody else?RaceBannon said:Cliff notes?
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The far right would rather spend more money for healthcare, if it means that poor people will suffer.
Otherwise, it would give them less to feel superior about, and to them, the extra cost is worth the sense of superiority.
And the perverse logic goes further.
Poor folks on the far right, would rather not have healthcare, then admit that socialized medicine would be better for the country. -
I don't want to spend any tax dollars on healthcare. It's not the government's job.
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The only way it will ever actually be cheaper is if REAL competition is added to the market place.allpurpleallgold said:https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K8mw1-KGCQg
I can’t wait for the mental gymnastics you guys will be doing when Trump supports it.
Imagine asking how we’re going to pay for something that costs less than what we’re already paying. But Ocasio-Cortez is the idiot that doesn’t understand basic economics and how things work in the real world. You guys are fucking clowns.
And considering Big Medicine & Big Pharma rains money down both sides of the aisle, I ain't gonna hold my breath.
Untill then, yore* just pandering to know-nothings who like the taste of your jizz. Hi HondoFS! -
Don't look at your paystub. Not that you have a job.PurpleJ said:I don't want to spend any tax dollars on healthcare. It's not the government's job.
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First of all, "poor folks" already have Medicaid. Second of all, I'd rather that the government got the hell out of the healthcare business entirely. Other than that, you fucking nailed it.Baphomet said:The far right would rather spend more money for healthcare, if it means that poor people will suffer.
Otherwise, it would give them less to feel superior about, and to them, the extra cost is worth the sense of superiority.
And the perverse logic goes further.
Poor folks on the far right, would rather not have healthcare, then admit that socialized medicine would be better for the country. -
Weird the way you ran away and hid like a Kunt from other thread Hondo. Do you consider Social Security and Medicare to be Welfare Hondo?2001400ex said:
Don't look at your paystub. Not that you have a job.PurpleJ said:I don't want to spend any tax dollars on healthcare. It's not the government's job.
Run and hide bitch. -
Venezuela has FREE healthcare for everybody it's awesome
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I hope one day we can be just like Venezuela I Believe In The Hyphen Cortez dream
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You sound like a fox news ad.sarktastic said:I hope one day we can be just like Venezuela I Believe In The Hyphen Cortez dream
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reflective of your limited intellect
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Yes the person screaming Venezuela is a big thinker.sarktastic said:reflective of your limited intellect
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You're free to tout all of the Venezuela virtues.
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Please cite the study and I will happily pick apart it's "research" while I actually bother to read it unlike you, the person using it to validate their viewpoint. Until then, you're just a talking point parrot.
I always love the "studies" that show medicaid and medicare are "cheaper" than private insurance by strictly counting private administrative costs, since shifting administrative costs into bloated government agencies that don't get counted as private administration is "efficient". -
And you sound like a dumb Kunt who can't even back up your mouth Hondo. I thought my claim about immigrants and welfare usage was a lie? Now you're too big a Kunt to even defend the source you used to make that claim.2001400ex said:
You sound like a fox news ad.sarktastic said:I hope one day we can be just like Venezuela I Believe In The Hyphen Cortez dream
Have you always been this big a lightweight Hondo or did you evolve into your current Kunt status? -
We already have healthcare for all in the United States.
Planned Parenthood. -
Why would we do this?
The stable genius is going to make healthcare available for everyone very cheaply - and it won't even be that hard.allpurpleallgold said:https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K8mw1-KGCQg
I can’t wait for the mental gymnastics you guys will be doing when Trump supports it.
Imagine asking how we’re going to pay for something that costs less than what we’re already paying. But Ocasio-Cortez is the idiot that doesn’t understand basic economics and how things work in the real world. You guys are fucking clowns. -
All we need to do in order to make informed decisions about socialized medicine is look to our friends to the north. Specifically, to the city of Calgary. From the time period of 1985 to 2005, 2 hospitals in the city of Calgary were closed. There had been no new hospitals built or substantially expanded during that time. From 1985 to 2005 the population doubled in that city.
Do you think demand dropped that much? If so, do tell.
Also, during that time the Heart Institute in Spokane had approximately 30% of its patients coming from Canada. (I know several of the docs that owned it.) The Canadians were in Spokane for treatment because they would die waiting in line in the wonderful Canadian system.
Liberalism, find a cure. -
All you need to know about the American healthcare system is it still ranks below Canada.Blu82 said:All we need to do in order to make informed decisions about socialized medicine is look to our friends to the north. Specifically, to the city of Calgary. From the time period of 1985 to 2005, 2 hospitals in the city of Calgary were closed. There had been no new hospitals built or substantially expanded during that time. From 1985 to 2005 the population doubled in that city.
Do you think demand dropped that much? If so, do tell.
Also, during that time the Heart Institute in Spokane had approximately 30% of its patients coming from Canada. (I know several of the docs that owned it.) The Canadians were in Spokane for treatment because they would die waiting in line in the wonderful Canadian system.
Liberalism, find a cure. -
AP or Coaches poll?allpurpleallgold said:
All you need to know about the American healthcare system is it still ranks below Canada.Blu82 said:All we need to do in order to make informed decisions about socialized medicine is look to our friends to the north. Specifically, to the city of Calgary. From the time period of 1985 to 2005, 2 hospitals in the city of Calgary were closed. There had been no new hospitals built or substantially expanded during that time. From 1985 to 2005 the population doubled in that city.
Do you think demand dropped that much? If so, do tell.
Also, during that time the Heart Institute in Spokane had approximately 30% of its patients coming from Canada. (I know several of the docs that owned it.) The Canadians were in Spokane for treatment because they would die waiting in line in the wonderful Canadian system.
Liberalism, find a cure.
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Really? According to what metrics?allpurpleallgold said:
All you need to know about the American healthcare system is it still ranks below Canada.Blu82 said:All we need to do in order to make informed decisions about socialized medicine is look to our friends to the north. Specifically, to the city of Calgary. From the time period of 1985 to 2005, 2 hospitals in the city of Calgary were closed. There had been no new hospitals built or substantially expanded during that time. From 1985 to 2005 the population doubled in that city.
Do you think demand dropped that much? If so, do tell.
Also, during that time the Heart Institute in Spokane had approximately 30% of its patients coming from Canada. (I know several of the docs that owned it.) The Canadians were in Spokane for treatment because they would die waiting in line in the wonderful Canadian system.
Liberalism, find a cure.
Also, solid shift away from providing evidence about medicare for all's savings. Wouldn't want to have to do that. -
But what about Venezuela?allpurpleallgold said:
All you need to know about the American healthcare system is it still ranks below Canada.Blu82 said:All we need to do in order to make informed decisions about socialized medicine is look to our friends to the north. Specifically, to the city of Calgary. From the time period of 1985 to 2005, 2 hospitals in the city of Calgary were closed. There had been no new hospitals built or substantially expanded during that time. From 1985 to 2005 the population doubled in that city.
Do you think demand dropped that much? If so, do tell.
Also, during that time the Heart Institute in Spokane had approximately 30% of its patients coming from Canada. (I know several of the docs that owned it.) The Canadians were in Spokane for treatment because they would die waiting in line in the wonderful Canadian system.
Liberalism, find a cure. -
It doesn't take much reading to figure out that the savings portrayed here is only one scenario in the report, and that another scenario which is not as liberal about projected savings for drug and administrative costs shows that it would cost trillions more. But please, let's just cherry pick the information that agrees with what we want to believe is true.
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OK, as long as you call dying because of rationed access superior.allpurpleallgold said:
All you need to know about the American healthcare system is it still ranks below Canada.Blu82 said:All we need to do in order to make informed decisions about socialized medicine is look to our friends to the north. Specifically, to the city of Calgary. From the time period of 1985 to 2005, 2 hospitals in the city of Calgary were closed. There had been no new hospitals built or substantially expanded during that time. From 1985 to 2005 the population doubled in that city.
Do you think demand dropped that much? If so, do tell.
Also, during that time the Heart Institute in Spokane had approximately 30% of its patients coming from Canada. (I know several of the docs that owned it.) The Canadians were in Spokane for treatment because they would die waiting in line in the wonderful Canadian system.
Liberalism, find a cure. -
It doesn't count if you don't die in a hospital!Blu82 said:
OK, as long as you call dying because of rationed access superior.allpurpleallgold said:
All you need to know about the American healthcare system is it still ranks below Canada.Blu82 said:All we need to do in order to make informed decisions about socialized medicine is look to our friends to the north. Specifically, to the city of Calgary. From the time period of 1985 to 2005, 2 hospitals in the city of Calgary were closed. There had been no new hospitals built or substantially expanded during that time. From 1985 to 2005 the population doubled in that city.
Do you think demand dropped that much? If so, do tell.
Also, during that time the Heart Institute in Spokane had approximately 30% of its patients coming from Canada. (I know several of the docs that owned it.) The Canadians were in Spokane for treatment because they would die waiting in line in the wonderful Canadian system.
Liberalism, find a cure. -
I prefer to think the cost will be $32 trillion. And not consider and other factors. That's the smart thing to do.BleachedAnusDawg said:It doesn't take much reading to figure out that the savings portrayed here is only one scenario in the report, and that another scenario which is not as liberal about projected savings for drug and administrative costs shows that it would cost trillions more. But please, let's just cherry pick the information that agrees with what we want to believe is true.
