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  • Member Posts: 5,800

    Wasn't everyone he played at his level?

    Year 5. 6 was a doozy too



  • Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,768 Founders Club
    Still the only title in Kent State history

    I don't see a year 5 there

    You're welcome to post the numbers on Petersen at his small gig

    You might notice a difference
  • Member Posts: 6,246

    Still the only title in Kent State history

    I don't see a year 5 there

    You're welcome to post the numbers on Petersen at his small gig

    You might notice a difference

    That little gigs don't translate to big ones?

    Mario has FIU's only conference title and Bowel win.

    You're trying so hard to talk yourself into Peterman being great, but we all know he isn't. He is good and for anyone under 40 that's the best they can remember.
  • Member Posts: 5,800
    edited October 2018

    Still the only title in Kent State history

    I don't see a year 5 there

    You're welcome to post the numbers on Petersen at his small gig

    You might notice a difference

    Only time in FUIUfU history they went to a bowl game

    Again, pimp Boise results all you want. It only further proves my point.

    You’re Fucking STRUGULING right about now.

    call Joe Namath for help.

  • Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,768 Founders Club
    Apparently neither one of you can see the Kent State record is far superior to FIU

    Boise doesn't fit your fake narrative

    Year 6 Cristobal was back to 3-9

    But I'm struggling

    Did James have a losing record after his first year? Dig deeper

    I'm not the one trying to talk myself into anything. I'm using your argument

    Year 5
  • Member Posts: 6,246

    Apparently neither one of you can see the Kent State record is far superior to FIU

    Boise doesn't fit your fake narrative

    Year 6 Cristobal was back to 3-9

    But I'm struggling

    Did James have a losing record after his first year? Dig deeper

    I'm not the one trying to talk myself into anything. I'm using your argument

    Year 5

    So a conference title at a dead program isn't as good as a conference title at a dead program.

    Jesus
  • Member Posts: 5,800
    edited October 2018

    Apparently neither one of you can see the Kent State record is far superior to FIU

    Boise doesn't fit your fake narrative

    Year 6 Cristobal was back to 3-9

    But I'm struggling

    Did James have a losing record after his first year? Dig deeper

    I'm not the one trying to talk myself into anything. I'm using your argument

    Year 5

    You’re really having a really, really hard time.

    It’s like watching Elvis on the toilet, near the end.
  • Member Posts: 6,246

    You’re really having a really, really hard time.

    It’s like watching Elvis on the toilet, near the end.
    But BOISE!!!!1!11!!!!

    Firmly forgets to mention every coach at Boise has been awesome since Koetter and Harsin currently. He was just another cog in the wheel there.
  • Member Posts: 9,186
    Mosster47 said:

    But BOISE!!!!1!11!!!!

    Firmly forgets to mention every coach at Boise has been awesome since Koetter and Harsin currently. He was just another cog in the wheel there.
    This is the thing that just isn't true. Those guys were good at Boise, but Pete took Boise to heights no one did before or since. He may or may not be a great coach but trying to explain away his success at Boise with "everyone else did it" is willfully ignorant. No, they didn't.
  • Member Posts: 9,208
    WSU was arguably in worse shape in the Pac12 post Wulff, when Leach took over compared with FIU in the Sunbelt conference when Cristobal took over.

    Leach took WSU to a winning overall record and 4 bowl games in 6 years. Today, WSU controls its own destiny to the Rose Bowl.

    Cristobal was simply a bad hire for Oregon but great for the other PAC-12 schools.
  • Member Posts: 5,800

    I didn't realize how bad that loss to the cuogs hurt

    Ah, a complete subject change. AKA: the surrender.

  • Member Posts: 6,246
    edited October 2018

    This is the thing that just isn't true. Those guys were good at Boise, but Pete took Boise to heights no one did before or since. He may or may not be a great coach but trying to explain away his success at Boise with "everyone else did it" is willfully ignorant. No, they didn't.
    Harsin has won the MWC three out of four years and won a Fiesta Bowl.

    Hawkins won the MWC four out of five years.

    Koetter won the MWC two out of three years.

    Peterman just kept up what was already happening and is still happening.

    So the 12 years sandwiched around Peterman ended in 9 conference titles and a Fiesta Bowl win. In Peterman's 8 years he won the MWC 5 times and a Fiesta Bowl.

    Boise is literally plug and play.

    Your turn.
  • Member Posts: 9,186
    Mosster47 said:

    Harsin has won the MWC three out of four years and won a Fiesta Bowl.

    Hawkins won the MWC four out of five years.

    Koetter won the MWC two out of three years.

    Peterman just kept up what was already happening and is still happening.

    So the 12 years sandwiched around Peterman ended in 9 conference titles and a Fiesta Bowl win. In Peterman's 8 years he won the MWC 5 times and a Fiesta Bowl.

    Boise is literally plug and play.

    Your turn.
    LOL.

    Harsin "won a Fiesta Bowl" in a year he lost 2 games and didn't even finish ranked in the top 15. His crowning achievement was a win over a 4 loss team who also didn't finish in the top 15. In four and a half seasons he's already lost two more conference games than Pete did in 8.

    In four seasons he's finished ranked 50% of the time, with an average ranking of 19, an average of 3 losses per year and has never once a) gone undefeated even in conference b) finished with less than 2 losses.

    Pete didn't have "a Fiesta Bowl win", he had two, over teams that finished 11 and 6 even after the loss to him. He went undefeated in conference three times, undefeated overall twice, and finished with one loss three other times. He finished in the top 5 twice and the top 10 four times. His sixth best season out of 8 was equal to Harsin's best of 4 in number of losses (two) and average rank between AP/coaches (16).

    Hawkins was better than Harsin but never finished ranked higher than 12th in any pole, never appeared in a BCS level bowl and never went undefeated. Koetter never even had his team ranked.

    TL;DR Pete finished ranked 6 out of 8 seasons or 75% of the time.

    The others before/after him finished ranked 5 out of 12 seasons or 41.6% of the time (and isn't even in others receiving votes in season 13). Not one of Harsin, Koetter or Hawkins seasons would rank in Boises's top 5 best finishes under Pete. There's zero chance Boise finishes well enough to get there this season.

    Literally plug and play indeed.
  • Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,768 Founders Club
  • Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,768 Founders Club

    Ah, a complete subject change. AKA: the surrender.

    Since you can't answer my last post on the subject with anything other than lame smack I consider the case closed

    Spoiler
    Year 5
  • Member Posts: 24,029

    WSU was arguably in worse shape in the Pac12 post Wulff, when Leach took over compared with FIU in the Sunbelt conference when Cristobal took over.

    Leach took WSU to a winning overall record and 4 bowl games in 6 years. Today, WSU controls its own destiny to the Rose Bowl.

    Cristobal was simply a bad hire for Oregon but great for the other PAC-12 schools.

    Jury is still way out on that.
  • Member Posts: 4,334
    Mosster47 said:

    Harsin has won the MWC three out of four years and won a Fiesta Bowl.

    Hawkins won the MWC four out of five years.

    Koetter won the MWC two out of three years.

    Peterman just kept up what was already happening and is still happening.

    So the 12 years sandwiched around Peterman ended in 9 conference titles and a Fiesta Bowl win. In Peterman's 8 years he won the MWC 5 times and a Fiesta Bowl.

    Boise is literally plug and play.

    Your turn.
    LOL.

    Harsin "won a Fiesta Bowl" in a year he lost 2 games and didn't even finish ranked in the top 15. His crowning achievement was a win over a 4 loss team who also didn't finish in the top 15. In four and a half seasons he's already lost two more conference games than Pete did in 8.

    In four seasons he's finished ranked 50% of the time, with an average ranking of 19, an average of 3 losses per year and has never once a) gone undefeated even in conference b) finished with less than 2 losses.

    Pete didn't have "a Fiesta Bowl win", he had two, over teams that finished 11 and 6 even after the loss to him. He went undefeated in conference three times, undefeated overall twice, and finished with one loss three other times. He finished in the top 5 twice and the top 10 four times. His sixth best season out of 8 was equal to Harsin's best of 4 in number of losses (two) and average rank between AP/coaches (16).

    Hawkins was better than Harsin but never finished ranked higher than 12th in any pole, never appeared in a BCS level bowl and never went undefeated. Koetter never even had his team ranked.

    TL;DR Pete finished ranked 6 out of 8 seasons or 75% of the time.

    The others before/after him finished ranked 5 out of 12 seasons or 41.6% of the time (and isn't even in others receiving votes in season 13). Not one of Harsin, Koetter or Hawkins seasons would rank in Boises's top 5 best finishes under Pete. There's zero chance Boise finishes well enough to get there this season.

    Literally plug and play indeed.

    Your turn.
  • Member Posts: 24,029

    LOL.

    Harsin "won a Fiesta Bowl" in a year he lost 2 games and didn't even finish ranked in the top 15. His crowning achievement was a win over a 4 loss team who also didn't finish in the top 15. In four and a half seasons he's already lost two more conference games than Pete did in 8.

    In four seasons he's finished ranked 50% of the time, with an average ranking of 19, an average of 3 losses per year and has never once a) gone undefeated even in conference b) finished with less than 2 losses.

    Pete didn't have "a Fiesta Bowl win", he had two, over teams that finished 11 and 6 even after the loss to him. He went undefeated in conference three times, undefeated overall twice, and finished with one loss three other times. He finished in the top 5 twice and the top 10 four times. His sixth best season out of 8 was equal to Harsin's best of 4 in number of losses (two) and average rank between AP/coaches (16).

    Hawkins was better than Harsin but never finished ranked higher than 12th in any pole, never appeared in a BCS level bowl and never went undefeated. Koetter never even had his team ranked.

    TL;DR Pete finished ranked 6 out of 8 seasons or 75% of the time.

    The others before/after him finished ranked 5 out of 12 seasons or 41.6% of the time (and isn't even in others receiving votes in season 13). Not one of Harsin, Koetter or Hawkins seasons would rank in Boises's top 5 best finishes under Pete. There's zero chance Boise finishes well enough to get there this season.

    Literally plug and play indeed.

    Wait; we're hear talking about Pete at Boise State Junior College?

    Why? Hasn't he been at Washington Damnit! for 5 years?

    Strange.
  • Member Posts: 13,346

    I didn't realize how bad that loss to the cuogs hurt

    you'll understand in a few weeks.
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    Wait; we're hear talking about Pete at Boise State Junior College?

    Why? Hasn't he been at Washington Damnit! for 5 years?

    Strange.
    You must be new here.

    We? were still arguing about Ricks time at Colorado halfway through Ty's tenure at UW.
  • Member Posts: 24,029

    You must be new here.

    We? were still arguing about Ricks time at Colorado halfway through Ty's tenure at UW.
    Yes, I remember.
  • Member Posts: 14,913
    AZDuck said:

    there have been *worse* first halves, but not many...
    2003 in Autzen after young rich and cool was worse. I believe it was 38-2 at the half in WSUs favor.
  • Member Posts: 30,128
    Mosster47 said:

    But BOISE!!!!1!11!!!!

    Firmly forgets to mention every coach at Boise has been awesome since Koetter and Harsin currently. He was just another cog in the wheel there.
    There is some level of truth to Boise coaching itself, but nobody came close to doing what Petersen did.
  • Member Posts: 6,246

    There is some level of truth to Boise coaching itself, but nobody came close to doing what Petersen did.
    75% MWC rate and NY6 bowl wins?

    Yes, yes they did. Peter never got into the BCS title game and neither did the rest of them. The resumes are all the same.
  • Member Posts: 9,186
    Mosster47 said:

    75% MWC rate and NY6 bowl wins?

    Yes, yes they did. Peter never got into the BCS title game and neither did the rest of them. The resumes are all the same.
    This is embarrassing, even for you.
  • Member Posts: 24,029
    I see a lot of doogs

    This is embarrassing, even for you.
    @StrongArmCobra

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