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WSU was arguably in worse shape in the Pac12 post Wulff, when Leach took over compared with FIU in the Sunbelt conference when Cristobal took over.
Leach took WSU to a winning overall record and 4 bowl games in 6 years. Today, WSU controls its own destiny to the Rose Bowl.
Cristobal was simply a bad hire for Oregon but great for the other PAC-12 schools.
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Ah, a complete subject change. AKA: the surrender.RaceBannon said:I didn't realize how bad that loss to the cuogs hurt
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Harsin has won the MWC three out of four years and won a Fiesta Bowl.HillsboroDuck said:
This is the thing that just isn't true. Those guys were good at Boise, but Pete took Boise to heights no one did before or since. He may or may not be a great coach but trying to explain away his success at Boise with "everyone else did it" is willfully ignorant. No, they didn't.Mosster47 said:
But BOISE!!!!1!11!!!!MikeSeaver said:
You’re really having a really, really hard time.RaceBannon said:Apparently neither one of you can see the Kent State record is far superior to FIU
Boise doesn't fit your fake narrative
Year 6 Cristobal was back to 3-9
But I'm struggling
Did James have a losing record after his first year? Dig deeper
I'm not the one trying to talk myself into anything. I'm using your argument
Year 5
It’s like watching Elvis on the toilet, near the end.
Firmly forgets to mention every coach at Boise has been awesome since Koetter and Harsin currently. He was just another cog in the wheel there.
Hawkins won the MWC four out of five years.
Koetter won the MWC two out of three years.
Peterman just kept up what was already happening and is still happening.
So the 12 years sandwiched around Peterman ended in 9 conference titles and a Fiesta Bowl win. In Peterman's 8 years he won the MWC 5 times and a Fiesta Bowl.
Boise is literally plug and play.
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LOL.Mosster47 said:
Harsin has won the MWC three out of four years and won a Fiesta Bowl.HillsboroDuck said:
This is the thing that just isn't true. Those guys were good at Boise, but Pete took Boise to heights no one did before or since. He may or may not be a great coach but trying to explain away his success at Boise with "everyone else did it" is willfully ignorant. No, they didn't.Mosster47 said:
But BOISE!!!!1!11!!!!MikeSeaver said:
You’re really having a really, really hard time.RaceBannon said:Apparently neither one of you can see the Kent State record is far superior to FIU
Boise doesn't fit your fake narrative
Year 6 Cristobal was back to 3-9
But I'm struggling
Did James have a losing record after his first year? Dig deeper
I'm not the one trying to talk myself into anything. I'm using your argument
Year 5
It’s like watching Elvis on the toilet, near the end.
Firmly forgets to mention every coach at Boise has been awesome since Koetter and Harsin currently. He was just another cog in the wheel there.
Hawkins won the MWC four out of five years.
Koetter won the MWC two out of three years.
Peterman just kept up what was already happening and is still happening.
So the 12 years sandwiched around Peterman ended in 9 conference titles and a Fiesta Bowl win. In Peterman's 8 years he won the MWC 5 times and a Fiesta Bowl.
Boise is literally plug and play.
Your turn.
Harsin "won a Fiesta Bowl" in a year he lost 2 games and didn't even finish ranked in the top 15. His crowning achievement was a win over a 4 loss team who also didn't finish in the top 15. In four and a half seasons he's already lost two more conference games than Pete did in 8.
In four seasons he's finished ranked 50% of the time, with an average ranking of 19, an average of 3 losses per year and has never once a) gone undefeated even in conference b) finished with less than 2 losses.
Pete didn't have "a Fiesta Bowl win", he had two, over teams that finished 11 and 6 even after the loss to him. He went undefeated in conference three times, undefeated overall twice, and finished with one loss three other times. He finished in the top 5 twice and the top 10 four times. His sixth best season out of 8 was equal to Harsin's best of 4 in number of losses (two) and average rank between AP/coaches (16).
Hawkins was better than Harsin but never finished ranked higher than 12th in any pole, never appeared in a BCS level bowl and never went undefeated. Koetter never even had his team ranked.
TL;DR Pete finished ranked 6 out of 8 seasons or 75% of the time.
The others before/after him finished ranked 5 out of 12 seasons or 41.6% of the time (and isn't even in others receiving votes in season 13). Not one of Harsin, Koetter or Hawkins seasons would rank in Boises's top 5 best finishes under Pete. There's zero chance Boise finishes well enough to get there this season.
Literally plug and play indeed. -
Year 5
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Since you can't answer my last post on the subject with anything other than lame smack I consider the case closedMikeSeaver said:
Ah, a complete subject change. AKA: the surrender.RaceBannon said:I didn't realize how bad that loss to the cuogs hurt
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Jury is still way out on that.sarktastic said:WSU was arguably in worse shape in the Pac12 post Wulff, when Leach took over compared with FIU in the Sunbelt conference when Cristobal took over.
Leach took WSU to a winning overall record and 4 bowl games in 6 years. Today, WSU controls its own destiny to the Rose Bowl.
Cristobal was simply a bad hire for Oregon but great for the other PAC-12 schools. -
LOL.Mosster47 said:
Harsin has won the MWC three out of four years and won a Fiesta Bowl.HillsboroDuck said:
This is the thing that just isn't true. Those guys were good at Boise, but Pete took Boise to heights no one did before or since. He may or may not be a great coach but trying to explain away his success at Boise with "everyone else did it" is willfully ignorant. No, they didn't.Mosster47 said:
But BOISE!!!!1!11!!!!MikeSeaver said:
You’re really having a really, really hard time.RaceBannon said:Apparently neither one of you can see the Kent State record is far superior to FIU
Boise doesn't fit your fake narrative
Year 6 Cristobal was back to 3-9
But I'm struggling
Did James have a losing record after his first year? Dig deeper
I'm not the one trying to talk myself into anything. I'm using your argument
Year 5
It’s like watching Elvis on the toilet, near the end.
Firmly forgets to mention every coach at Boise has been awesome since Koetter and Harsin currently. He was just another cog in the wheel there.
Hawkins won the MWC four out of five years.
Koetter won the MWC two out of three years.
Peterman just kept up what was already happening and is still happening.
So the 12 years sandwiched around Peterman ended in 9 conference titles and a Fiesta Bowl win. In Peterman's 8 years he won the MWC 5 times and a Fiesta Bowl.
Boise is literally plug and play.
Your turn.
Harsin "won a Fiesta Bowl" in a year he lost 2 games and didn't even finish ranked in the top 15. His crowning achievement was a win over a 4 loss team who also didn't finish in the top 15. In four and a half seasons he's already lost two more conference games than Pete did in 8.
In four seasons he's finished ranked 50% of the time, with an average ranking of 19, an average of 3 losses per year and has never once a) gone undefeated even in conference b) finished with less than 2 losses.
Pete didn't have "a Fiesta Bowl win", he had two, over teams that finished 11 and 6 even after the loss to him. He went undefeated in conference three times, undefeated overall twice, and finished with one loss three other times. He finished in the top 5 twice and the top 10 four times. His sixth best season out of 8 was equal to Harsin's best of 4 in number of losses (two) and average rank between AP/coaches (16).
Hawkins was better than Harsin but never finished ranked higher than 12th in any pole, never appeared in a BCS level bowl and never went undefeated. Koetter never even had his team ranked.
TL;DR Pete finished ranked 6 out of 8 seasons or 75% of the time.
The others before/after him finished ranked 5 out of 12 seasons or 41.6% of the time (and isn't even in others receiving votes in season 13). Not one of Harsin, Koetter or Hawkins seasons would rank in Boises's top 5 best finishes under Pete. There's zero chance Boise finishes well enough to get there this season.
Literally plug and play indeed.
Your turn. -
HillsboroDuck said:
LOL.Mosster47 said:
Harsin has won the MWC three out of four years and won a Fiesta Bowl.HillsboroDuck said:
This is the thing that just isn't true. Those guys were good at Boise, but Pete took Boise to heights no one did before or since. He may or may not be a great coach but trying to explain away his success at Boise with "everyone else did it" is willfully ignorant. No, they didn't.Mosster47 said:
But BOISE!!!!1!11!!!!MikeSeaver said:
You’re really having a really, really hard time.RaceBannon said:Apparently neither one of you can see the Kent State record is far superior to FIU
Boise doesn't fit your fake narrative
Year 6 Cristobal was back to 3-9
But I'm struggling
Did James have a losing record after his first year? Dig deeper
I'm not the one trying to talk myself into anything. I'm using your argument
Year 5
It’s like watching Elvis on the toilet, near the end.
Firmly forgets to mention every coach at Boise has been awesome since Koetter and Harsin currently. He was just another cog in the wheel there.
Hawkins won the MWC four out of five years.
Koetter won the MWC two out of three years.
Peterman just kept up what was already happening and is still happening.
So the 12 years sandwiched around Peterman ended in 9 conference titles and a Fiesta Bowl win. In Peterman's 8 years he won the MWC 5 times and a Fiesta Bowl.
Boise is literally plug and play.
Your turn.
Harsin "won a Fiesta Bowl" in a year he lost 2 games and didn't even finish ranked in the top 15. His crowning achievement was a win over a 4 loss team who also didn't finish in the top 15. In four and a half seasons he's already lost two more conference games than Pete did in 8.
In four seasons he's finished ranked 50% of the time, with an average ranking of 19, an average of 3 losses per year and has never once a) gone undefeated even in conference b) finished with less than 2 losses.
Pete didn't have "a Fiesta Bowl win", he had two, over teams that finished 11 and 6 even after the loss to him. He went undefeated in conference three times, undefeated overall twice, and finished with one loss three other times. He finished in the top 5 twice and the top 10 four times. His sixth best season out of 8 was equal to Harsin's best of 4 in number of losses (two) and average rank between AP/coaches (16).
Hawkins was better than Harsin but never finished ranked higher than 12th in any pole, never appeared in a BCS level bowl and never went undefeated. Koetter never even had his team ranked.
TL;DR Pete finished ranked 6 out of 8 seasons or 75% of the time.
The others before/after him finished ranked 5 out of 12 seasons or 41.6% of the time (and isn't even in others receiving votes in season 13). Not one of Harsin, Koetter or Hawkins seasons would rank in Boises's top 5 best finishes under Pete. There's zero chance Boise finishes well enough to get there this season.
Literally plug and play indeed.
Wait; we're hear talking about Pete at Boise State Junior College?
Why? Hasn't he been at Washington Damnit! for 5 years?
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you'll understand in a few weeks.RaceBannon said:I didn't realize how bad that loss to the cuogs hurt
