Recruiting is about 3-4 years in the future. Let me illustrate...

Dennis_DeYoung said:

Also a reminder, compare our WR and OL recruiting...

WR 2015: Renfro, Baccelia, Pounds
OL 2015: Roberts, Adams, Hilbers

WR 2016: Chin, Fuller
OL 2016: Harris, Watty

WR 2017: Bynum, Cook, Ty
OL 2017: Henry B., Jax, Norgy

...

So, we've recruited the same amount of WRs as OLs. And every WR outside of Ty is a JAG.

I forget - maybe you guys can help me... do we play more WRs than OLs on average?

Flagged for saying Fuller is just a guy.

Otherwise agree.

Dennis_DeYoung said:

One of the things that annoys the fuck out of me with Doogs when it comes to recruiting is the idea of NEED. Every year you need everything and tons of talent everywhere. Okay. That's the only need and you need that every. fucking. year.

But - specific to this year, why are we not dominating up front you say? Well...

Feeling like our front 7 is lagging? Do you think we might need an upgrade?

Too bad it's not the NFL and we can't just sign free agents! Anyone got a time machine in this bitch?

The time to complain about this was 2015, 2016 and 2017.

Here's what we signed on the DL (which we knew at the time we were rotating 6 guys every game)...

2015: Jason Scrempos, Ricky McCoy
2016: Levi Onwuzurike
2017: No one.

Hmmm... so we signed 3 DTs in 3 years. Great call guys!! I guess when you rotate 6 DTs every year and your stupid fucking head coach says DT recruiting is the most important thing there is... you should probably just recruit 3 DTs in 3 years and have only 1 of them be a blue chip kid.

On the lines, as we all know, unless we get those tier I players who are injury free, (like Togiai) who we have yet to really land (Tuli was injured)... no one is going to come and play that early. And if they play early they probably won't be very effective. Remember Vita in '15? That guy ended up being a beast. In year 1 he was an out of shape guy who was massively inconsistent.

How about Outside Linebacker? Well, this KEY POSITION in our defense has been recruited mostly by taking shit-tier players that no one else wanted, local guys with some potential etc.

2015: Benning, Myles Rice, Bryce Sterk, Jusstis Warren (Jesus fucking Christ: shit olympics!)
2016: Amandre
2017: Ngata, Tryon

So, basically the talented players have developed about as predicted. Amandre is a RS-Soph, Ngata and Tryon RS-Frosh... basically what you would expect out of DDY2s

How about ILB!?! These are always the easiest body types to recruit. How'd we do in those same years?

Well, we decided to stock up on lower tier players! How's that worked out? Well, medium.

2015: Tevis, BBK, DJ Beavers, Kyler Manu
2016: Eifer, Wellington (pretty good, but Eifler left and Welly can't stay healthy and we didn't redshirt him)
2017: No one.

IN SUM:

-Pretty much the spot we recruited the best during those 3 awkward years was OLB.

-We took 2 front 7 players in 2017. Two. On a team that constantly rotates 2-3 groups of players.

-This is why we should not be in any power rankings above 10th and we will be lucky to get into the Rose Bowl.

We have one of the best coaches in the country, but...

CONCLUSION:

Recruiting is about 3-4 years down the road. Every class you need to fill every position with talented players. Players get hurt (Scrempos, Ngata, Beavers, Welly), leave (McCoy, Sterk, Eifler), switch positions (Warren), don't develop (Rice, Manu) or develop slowly unless they are top-100 type players (Levi, Benning).

It's never about one player. It's always about taking classes that cover all positions and getting a ton of talent. You never know who is going to do what, but if you get a bunch of top-300 guys and guys that Notre Dame, USC and Bama are offering you will probably be fine. We are just paying this year for our negligence in 2015-17.

This post is 100% bullshit.

We dont need blue chips to beat teams full of blue chips.

It is a law of physics that gadget plays can counteract superior talent.

We lost because we pussed out only calling three trick plays against Oregon. Not underdog enough. If we would have wasted more practice on gadget plays we surely would have had an even more superior offensive showing by allowing us to start more try hards.

Instead of wasting time on the jimmys and joes pete need to get WACy with his Xs and Os.

We also need to waste more schollies on shitty specialists that lose their starting jobs to freshman walks ons or who shank puntss and kickoffs regularly. We need more schollies for those people to improve special teams play.

It aint easy in that WAC.

Henry's got a good leg … consistency is a bit of an issue and I do think he has a tendency to panic a bit under pressure … there was nothing about the distance of the kick yesterday that was a concern in my mind.

Dennis_DeYoung said:

When are you morons going to learn that stats are for losers and that players who show up big in scrimmages are not playmakers if they don’t do it in our biggest games?

Christ have some fucking standards.

Scheme bro. Oregon game planned to take Fuller out. I'm pretty sure there was a reason Sample/Otton caught 6 balls.

Fuller was the best player on the field for us again Auburn.

Swimming away from a great white shark and getting 7 yards to shore only to get caught by the ankles and dragged out to the deeps and eaten alive ...

Every. Yard. Counts. Pete!

Dennis_DeYoung said:

When are you morons going to learn that stats are for losers and that players who show up big in scrimmages are not playmakers if they don’t do it in our biggest games?

Christ have some fucking standards.

Again, so N'Keal Harry is just a guy. Didn't do shit against their best opponent this year.

Auburn was higher ranked when he played them than Oregon was and Fuller shit all over them, but he's JAG because Browning didn't target him against Oregon.

Someone with your education should be above defaulting to circular reasoning all the time.

Dennis_DeYoung said:

HillsboroDuck said:

Dennis_DeYoung said:

When are you morons going to learn that stats are for losers and that players who show up big in scrimmages are not playmakers if they don’t do it in our biggest games?

Christ have some fucking standards.

Again, so N'Keal Harry is just a guy. Didn't do shit against their best opponent this year.

Auburn was higher ranked when he played them than Oregon was and Fuller shit all over them, but he's JAG because Browning didn't target him against Oregon.

Someone with your education should be above defaulting to circular reasoning all the time.

God you morons seize on the stupidest fucking things.

Easy to do when you keep saying the stupidest fucking things.